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Does Batman Always Win? Kraven vs. Batman

Sergei Kravinoff has hunted and defeated Peter Parker before... but does he have what it takes to bring down Batman, too? Find out what we think!

It's once again time to see how Batman would fare in a totally random encounter against a character he has no knowledge of. Everyone knows Batman's a beast with prep and when it comes to characters in his universe, he does indeed have a plan on how to handle almost everyone. But, I thought it would be way more fun to test his abilities against a slew of street level characters he knows nothing about because they're not from his world. This way we have to speculate how he'd react and whether or not he has what it takes to logically earn a majority of wins over his opponent. The Dark Knight is doing pretty well thus far in the monthly segment and has a record of 4 wins, 2 losses and only 1 draw (links to each are at the bottom). Now it's time to place him against one of Spider-Man's dangerous villains: Kraven the Hunter.

Kraven's throne has skulls, but Batman has better posture. It's truly anyone's game, people.

To make sure the segment is neutral, the matches will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting at night (NOT Gotham). All of the standard city lights and lights inside buildings will remain on. They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think takes the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).'

Does Kraven have what it takes to drop the Caped Crusader... or will he fail this hunt?

Fighting Skill

I feel like a broken record when it comes to this factor. Not many characters out there are more skilled than Batman, and Sergei Kravinoff isn't one of them. We all know the basics when it comes to Bruce's skill: master of a gazillion styles (127, but who's counting?) and he's sporting great form. He's had what it takes to drop Lady Shiva and even gave Deathstroke a tough time. While Kraven isn't Bruce's equal in technique, I'm here to tell you why he's no slouch, either. In fact, I'd say Kraven's a very talented hand-to-hand fighter (ranked 6 out of 7 in fighting skill in the official handbook). Sergei has spent decades training himself (he has slowed aging thanks to his potions) and globetrotting to take down every creature possible (yes, this includes animals in the Savage Land). He has extensive knowledge of human (and various animals') anatomy and frequently uses pressure points to disable his enemies. We've seen him use these attacks against Spider-Man and Tigra and he's used far more brutal methods against Vladimir and a sasquatch (snapped their limbs). His use of nerve strikes has ranged from merely disabling an entire limb to temporarily paralyzing his target.

Kraven made Spider-Man think, "OHHHH!" 'Nuff said, yes?

Spider-Man was borderline bloodlusted in the conclusion of Grim Hunt and he humiliated Kraven's entire family, yet Sergei was still able to land a slash and dislocate Parker's shoulder before going down. As you should know, Spider-Man is absolutely vicious and amazingly formidable when he really lets loose. Additionally, he's defeated Vermin while unarmed, successfully taken blood samples from all of the original X-Men while in combat for Mr. Sinister, and slit Kaine's throat before getting blitzed. Sergei doesn't have the luxury of facing more than a handful of characters, but based on what I have seen and his consistent fights with Spider-Man, he's certainly not a character to take lightly. Kraven may not be as skilled as Batman, but he's still pretty darn talented in this regard. Throw in his superior stats and this could spell trouble for Batman, but clearly, Mr. Wayne has the edge in this one.

Edge: Batman

Equipment

BW goes full Shatner.

Everyone and their mother should know what Batman is bringing to the table by now. Grappling lines, standard batarangs, sonic devices, small explosives, electric, gas, smoke, cryo and more. "But Gregg, how does he have all of this on him at all times? That's stupid!" Most of these devices are actually quite small and fit within the various pouches on his belt or are located somewhere on his costume. Besides, it's not in character for him to use all of them (cryo, for example), but he'd be a fool not to carry most of these things since he can't predict what kind of threat he'll encounter. And Batman? He's no fool. Let's not forget the man is technically a genius, yes? All of these different items don't weigh him down nor is it absurd to think he's packing a lot of variety while in his cowl. While standard batarangs won't do more than annoy Sergei, electric, gas and sonic attacks would prove effective if Batman has the chance to use them.

Variety is definitely on Batman's side, but Sergei has a simple yet highly effective variety of gear. Yes, he has his standard bladed weapons-- nothing too special there -- and his bolas and nets could give him a temporary opening, but it's his use of poisons and potions which could serve as a real game changer. We've seen the villain use them in quite a few different ways. Sometimes they're on his bladed weapons, they're on the tusks on his belt (which he can detach to use as melee weapons), he has a blow gun to fire poison-tipped darts, and he's even worn a gauntlet which fired dozens of little poisonous darts. In a vast majority of these showings, the poison/potions were able to drop his opponent in a few moments at most or severely impact their coordination (the key exception which comes to mind is his fight with Flash Thompson). This could be a huge factor, especially if Kraven momentarily snags Batman with a bola or a net. Then there's the infamous laser nipples on his vest (used at least 3 times and temporarily stuns his enemies), but yeah, I think we'll just go ahead and leave that weapon in the past.

Batman has a greater variety of high tech tools which can turn the tide, but Sergei's frequent use of poisons could prove to be equally troublesome as well since once slash is all it would take.

Edge: Draw

Imagine if Batman's costume was leopard print. You can't unsee it, can you?

Mentality

Kraven may look like a silly man, but he's by no means a dumb man. He prides himself on his tactics as a hunter and has adapted in combat numerous times. Thinking he needs prep or has to be in a jungle to remain effective is a silly misconception. Upon being disarmed by Tigra, he immediately countered by using a nerve strike to turn the odds. And when he knows he can't take Spider-Man in a slugfest, he resorts to poisons and has no shame in doing so. I think he'd have the same mentality against Batman. It won't take long to see he's facing someone who's amazingly skilled, so I think it's fair to assume he'd try to use his poisons ASAP. Even if he was oblivious to Batman's skill, it's still a tactic he'd opt to use sooner rather than later.

Those shoes...

Yes, Sergei is an intelligent man and great with tactics, but he's simply not Bruce's equal in this regard. Wayne's a genius and an expert tactician -- decades upon decades of comics have consistently proven this. Thanks to that and his superior form, there's the potential for him to direct the course of events or use the environment to his advantage as the fight progresses. The longer he's in the fight, the better his odds are.

While stealth is something both of these do characters use a fair amount, I actually don't view it as a huge factor here. The starting distance may seem like a fair gap to us, but to these characters it isn't much at all. Seeing as both appear to be standard humans when first spotted, I fail to see why either would opt to immediately run away into the shadows most of the time. Both are confident in their abilities as a combatant and both could close this gap in a matter of seconds if they wanted to, especially since Sergei can run in bursts of 60 mph. Both will use ranged weapons but it'll have no real impact. Sergei has danced around thrown weapons from T'Challa and Batman has a plethora of feats to justify dodging and/or blocking what Sergei could potentially throw his way during his head-on encounter. It won't be long before the two are within close proximity, but it is possible for Batman to use smoke pellets if things aren't going his way and resort to stealth. This could give him the advantage of the next strike, but he's also unaware of Kraven's expert tracking abilities. Regardless, I think this is a fight that will remain in close proximity most of the time due to the settings.

Both are wise and no nonsense fighters who can adapt to their environments (unless Kraven's facing Spider-Man, then he wastes opportunities like a true villain) but ultimately, there's just no disputing Wayne is simply a superior tactician.

Edge: Batman

Physicals

Bruce Wayne has pushed himself to peak human condition thanks to extensive and continuous training. But Sergei? We're talking about a dude who's superhuman after previously experimenting with herbal potions (which he no longer requires for these stats, by the way). His speed, strength and durability is absolutely above Bruce's.

When it comes to durability, Kraven is actually way more impressive than some may assume. Yes, he looks like an ordinary man, but it has been consistently established that he's incredibly durable. He can take numerous strikes from Spider-Man and, despite it sounding silly, Parker has once admitted he needed to use a strike which he'd use against the Hulk. Additionally, when Kraven abducted Harry Osborn back in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #47, Harry punched Sergei in the face and said the villain didn't feel it and it was like "hitting an elephant's hide." Long story short, Batman's standard assortment of strikes won't cut it when it comes to eliminating Kravinoff and that's a big deal at first in a random encounter.

Kraven's agility? Solid. Kraven's trash talking? Weak.

As for strength, Kraven's got the edge. He's made Spider-Man struggle in a grapple and a bear hug, punched through walls and constantly cites how he can drop a bull elephant in a single strike. According to his handbook entry, he can lift 2 tons. And when it comes to speed, Kraven can run in bursts of 60 miles per hour. Venom said he was, "faster than eyes track -- a blur of motion" and he's dodged lightning strikes from Storm and pistol shots from Deadpool. Furthermore, since his resurrection, Kraven has an accelerated healing factor which has allowed him to remain conscious after being stabbed int he heart (this happened twice). At any rate, I don't see this as being a huge factor since Batman using cutting/stabbing damage in a lethal measure is highly unlikely and there's no evidence to prove it has rendered him immune from electric or gas attacks.

Edge: Kraven

Verdict

I'm not the biggest fan of ABC logic, but please forgive me as I use it for a moment. While off venom, Bane has given Batman good fights -- a stalemate and even took the edge before losing once -- and it's clear he accomplishes this because of his edge in physicals. Yes, Bane is undeniably skilled and it pains me when people think he's merely a brawler, but he's not Batman's equal in that regard and it's his physicals which narrows the gap between the two. While it's definitely fair to say Kraven is slightly less skilled than Bane, he is, however, well above Bane when it comes to physicals (again, off venom). I'd say that large physical edge more than compensates for a slight technique disadvantage. By this logic, I believe Kraven should be more effective against Batman than an off-venom Bane because he's essentially in a similar skill range yet more physically impressive. And, if an off-venom Bane has what it takes to give Bruce great fights, I think this would grant Sergei better odds. Again, ABC logic should be used sparingly, but I do think there are numerous similarities between Kraven and Bane, so I thought it was a fitting example.

Batman does indeed have the skill, tactics and equipment required to eventually defeat Kraven -- there's really no denying that. But in a random encounter? I think it's more likely the Kraven's physicals in combination with his more than adequate degree of skill and use of poisons would allow him to overcome before Batman can use one of his more effective gadgets. The man has what it takes to keep pace, take hits and even land nerve strikes on Spider-Man, after all. It's definitely a great fight and has the potential to go either way, but in the end, I think Sergei's should take a slight majority (6/10).

Legitimate scan is legitimate. This is from... uh... Batman: Night of the Hunter...

We have a special guest chiming in for this one!

Erik Burnham, upcoming co-writer of SCARLET SPIDER

"Sure, he has that crazy lion-face vest that I'm surprised Lady Gaga hasn't co-opted, but Sergei Kravinoff can take a punch from Spider-Man. He can wrestle down gorillas. He can track by scent, and Batman doesn't have ESP on his side. I think Kraven's going to take Bats down a peg, and he's going to do it while wearing leopard print pants and laughing like Boris Badenov. That's gonna be embarrassing for the Dark Knight."

And what does a fellow Comic Vine staffer think about this battle?

Corey 'Undeadpool' Schroeder, Comic Vine Writer

"I originally went into this thinking Bats would take it easily, but the more I researched and reacquainted myself with the Hunter, the more I realized Kraven is, in many ways, Batman's polar opposite in that his power set very specifically counters many of Batman's usual tactics and he lacks any obvious weaknesses to be exploited. Batman would likely try to strike from the shadows, but Kraven would detect even the slightest noise thus Batman would immediately lose the element of surprise. Likewise, a man whose spent his entire life on the hunt for stronger and stronger prey would neither be alarmed by "the Bat Man" nor likely to be fooled into thinking he's any kind of supernatural force, so the fear element is gone as well. This leads to who can throw down more effectively on a base level and it's here that I think Kraven actually takes it. Batman's style tends to be very defensive and reactionary, which is absolutely not the way to take down Sergei as he has the advantage in strength and knowledge of anatomy, and at least equals Bats in agility and reflexes.

The utility belt might be versatile, but it's going to take more than pepper spray or a taser to stop Kraven, and even if Bats tries to get some distance to catch his breath or even attempt ranged combat, Kraven has shown himself plenty proficient with guns and enough traps and snares, even nets, to make sure the Bat doesn't get very far. Ultimately, it would come down to a pitched, knock-down, drag-out brawl, but Kraven would add the Batman's cowl to his many, many pelts."

There you have it, Viners. Erik, Corey and I think Kraven has the means to defeat Batman in a random encounter. But who do you think should win? Speak your mind below!

Want more Batman battles?

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Posted by Azura_Thena

@tdk_1997 said:

I disagree with the outcome.While Kraven has gone against Spider-Man and has some great chance of giving Batman a great battle I can't see him take the win.Batman has been seen a lot of times in battles he can't win and he has done otherwise.He does the unthinkable and this won't be any different.In my opinion Batman would win.

If I could ask, how would Batman win? I mean specifically how? Not this vague, "Batman always wins because Batman always wins" nonsense. How would he do it using all the logically possible options available to him in this setting?

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Posted by dondave

Please decide whether ComicVine is hopelessly biased in favor of DC or Marvel. Y'all keep changing your stance on this so much.

QFT

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Posted by laflux

How dare a low tier B-list villain defeat as popular of a character and A list hero like Batman!! I demand a new thread with a new barely known character and make Batman win. Put him against Tomi Shishido.

Comicvine doesn't endorse wanton slaughter..........

Posted by k4tzm4n

@laflux said:

@god_spawn said:

How dare a low tier B-list villain defeat as popular of a character and A list hero like Batman!! I demand a new thread with a new barely known character and make Batman win. Put him against Tomi Shishido.

Comicvine doesn't endorse wanton slaughter..........

"Does Gorgon Always Win?"

Yes, unless it's against Daredevil's kick of doom.

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Posted by laflux

@k4tzm4n said:

@laflux said:

@god_spawn said:

How dare a low tier B-list villain defeat as popular of a character and A list hero like Batman!! I demand a new thread with a new barely known character and make Batman win. Put him against Tomi Shishido.

Comicvine doesn't endorse wanton slaughter..........

"Does Gorgon Always Win?"

Yes, unless it's against Daredevil's kick of doom.

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Posted by DadaHyena

Bravo; it's nice to hear that Kraven the Hunter can get some respect from readers. A lot of people dismiss him for his outfit and having an 'outdated' modus operandi, but I've always liked him: a cunning, powerful, and most of all noble villain who makes a great challenge for whatever superhero he battles (I'm not going to say anything about his, ugh, "Ultimate" counterpart...).

A Kraven/Batman fight would be a great read, if Marvel and DC ever cross paths again!

Posted by butters911

Great article. I love this feature, but its hard reading the comments when every 12th comment is some pissed off fan boy who can't believe the article wasn't just a list of all the ways Batman would beat his opponent.

For those saying how much Spidey "gets his ass handed to him" Its been stated numerous times that Spidey holds back because he doesn't want to hurt anybody.

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Posted by RustyRoy

@frogdog said:

@rustyroy said:

@rd2race: Kraven can never physically outclass Bane with Venom.

What proof do you have?

Check out the New 52 Bane feats and you'll see, Batman was able to make Superman bleed using Venom, New 52 venom is far more effective than preN52 Venom, it makes you faster, stronger more agile.

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@god_spawn said:

@k4tzm4n: @laflux: We all know how it will end.

Seriously though. It keeps the Bat Fans satiated- for now.........

Though in fairness to @k4tzm4n, I think you make a good point with Kraven's Durability- I'd argue its probably more impressive than his strength. Gravage Hulk sent him Hurtling into the Horizon with a punch with the phrase "If that doesn't kill him, I don't know what will". Needless to say Kraven survived. While that may be a high end showing, I think Kraven's durability would prove just a bit to hard, for Bruce to get through for a majority..

Also Luther Strode vs Bloodshot for the community match-up ;)

Posted by LordRequiem

I didn't think Kraven had beaten Spider-Man in one on one combat without Webs being at some disadvantage. That's just what I know of though.

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@rustyroy said:

@frogdog said:

@rustyroy said:

@rd2race: Kraven can never physically outclass Bane with Venom.

What proof do you have?

Check out the New 52 Bane feats and you'll see, Batman was able to make Superman bleed using Venom, New 52 venom is far more effective than preN52 Venom, it makes you faster, stronger more agile.

Kraven was able to keep up with venom and survived a hit from hulk that sent him flying. Superman hit batman once, and was Knocked out for the rest of fight.

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@frogdog said:

@rustyroy said:

@frogdog said:

@rustyroy said:

@rd2race: Kraven can never physically outclass Bane with Venom.

What proof do you have?

Check out the New 52 Bane feats and you'll see, Batman was able to make Superman bleed using Venom, New 52 venom is far more effective than preN52 Venom, it makes you faster, stronger more agile.

Kraven was able to keep up with venom and survived a hit from hulk that sent him flying. Superman hit batman once, and was Knocked out for the rest of fight.

Yeah and Superman can bench press the earth for 5 days without breaking a sweat and could possibly destroy the moon with one punch. New 52 Bane crushed the skulls of a Talon like it was parer and could possibly bench press far more than 2 tons(Kraven's level is 2 tons according to @k4tzm4n)

Posted by k4tzm4n

@rustyroy: @frogdog: RE: Bane on venom / Kraven.

Here's how I view it:

Pre-52: Bane on venom has the same strength level as Kraven. However, he's not as fast and not as durable.

New 52: Bane is now stronger, and although he's faster than Batman, there's nothing to justify he's as fast as Kraven. His durability is definitely better, but I think it's debatable saying he's now on par with Kraven in that regard, especially since Batman's strikes were visibly felt by him. He could take him, but they were definitely noticed. He does, however, have a better tolerance to electric attacks.

Regardless, New 52 Bane absolutely demolished Batman.

@laflux: Thanks and that is a really, really, really good match suggestion.

@god_spawn:Ha!

@butters911: @dadahyena: Thank you.

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Posted by RustyRoy

@k4tzm4n: How about New 52 Bane vs. Kraven for the next Battle of the week match-up.

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@k4tzm4n: and yeah sadly he did beat up Batman pretty badly.

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@dadahyena said:

A Kraven/Batman fight would be a great read, if Marvel and DC ever cross paths again!

Kraven would never best Batman in an actual comic book. Articles like these are the closest thing bat doubters will ever have for vindication.

In reality, this would be a close fight. But people who are trumpeting victory because one Viner happened to give the edge to Kraven, are just as bad as the batman fanboys they despise.

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@reignmaker said:

@dadahyena said:

A Kraven/Batman fight would be a great read, if Marvel and DC ever cross paths again!

Kraven would never best Batman in an actual comic book. Articles like these are the closest thing bat doubters will ever have for vindication.

In reality, this would be a close fight. But people who are trumpeting victory because one Viner happened to give the edge to Kraven, are just as bad as the batman fanboys they despise.

Two CV staff writers, a comic writer, and various other Viners who state their own reasons in the comments, actually.

Regardless, why are you being divisive instead of actually proving your point? Wouldn't saying why you think Batman beats Kraven be far more effective if you list reasons instead of pointing the finger and name calling?

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Posted by Azura_Thena

@dadahyena said:

A Kraven/Batman fight would be a great read, if Marvel and DC ever cross paths again!

Kraven would never best Batman in an actual comic book. Articles like these are the closest thing bat doubters will ever have for vindication.

In reality, this would be a close fight. But people who are trumpeting victory because one Viner happened to give the edge to Kraven, are just as bad as the batman fanboys they despise.

Agreeing with someone makes you a fanboy/girl? And why couldn't Kraven beat Batman?

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@k4tzm4n said:

@rustyroy: @frogdog: RE: Bane on venom / Kraven.

Here's how I view it:

Pre-52: Bane on venom has the same strength level as Kraven. However, he's not as fast and not as durable.

New 52: Bane is now stronger, and although he's faster than Batman, there's nothing to justify he's as fast as Kraven. His durability is definitely better, but I think it's debatable saying he's now on par with Kraven in that regard, especially since Batman's strikes were visibly felt by him. He could take him, but they were definitely noticed. He does, however, have a better tolerance to electric attacks.

Regardless, New 52 Bane absolutely demolished Batman.

I'm just curious... is it implausible to think that Batman just hits that hard? Punching force/strength is different than, say, bench pressing strength.

What I am saying is: maybe that was not so much a weak showing of Bane's durability, but perhaps... just perhaps... it was a strong showing of Batman's striking prowess. I know, I know... there's no way, or "PIS!" right? But what if it is possible.

Yes, New 52 Bane did mess up the Bat pretty good. However, seeing as how we've sort of established that New Bane is more powerful (overall) than Kraven, I'm not sure if that applies.

Edited by JokingSparrow1

No Batman doesn't always win.Batman is still human. Between him and Kraven the Hunter, Batman would win in the end because he always accomplishes things through strategy. Despite Kraven having super senses, reflexes and hand to hand combat; batman would beat him because he uses hand to hand combat almost all the time while fighting crime. Even though batman doesn't have combat as a superpower or any super powers at all he's incredibly experienced.

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Lasertitties beats Batman... that is so stupid. The guy is barely even an A-lister in Marvel. Batman takes on clowns like Kraven every month. So, due to bad writing Kraven bested Spiderman once, Last Hunt was rejected as a Wonder Man story and then twice as a Batman story. Kraven character was propped up artificially to fit the antagonist in a three time rejected script. He's Marvel's Bane. Next article should be how Bane beats Wolverine because these vs. articles have clearly reached their low point.

Posted by Decoy Elite

No Batman doesn't always win.Batman is still human. Between him and Kraven the Hunter, Batman would win in the end because he always accomplishes things through strategy. Despite Kraven having super senses, reflexes and hand to hand combat; batman would beat him because he uses hand to hand combat almost all the time while fighting crime. Even though batman doesn't have combat as a superpower or any super powers at all he's incredibly experienced.

But you have to keep in mind that Kraven's primary opponent, Spider-Man, also specializes h2h(yes he's not skilled but he's got precog and much higher stats on his side). Plus using h2h against Kraven is actually a pretty terrible idea because of his durability and strength.

Basically if you think Batman wins it should be because of his gadgets and strategy as his skills don't make up for the stat difference and Kraven's own serious skills.

Posted by k4tzm4n

Lasertitties beats Batman... that is so stupid. The guy is barely even an A-lister in Marvel. So, due to bad writing he took on Spiderman, that's like saying Bane beats Wolverine. These vs. articles have reached a new low.

1) Since when does a character's popularity have anything to do with how they'd fare in a fight?

2) If Kraven taking on Spider-Man is "bad writing," then the character has endured "bad writing" under multiple writers for decades now. Or, it's possible you're purposely choosing to ignore facts about the character. I'm siding with the latter.

3) Saying Kraven barely beats Batman in a random encounter is nothing like saying Bane beats Wolverine.

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Posted by CrimsonAlchemist

Yet another ludicrous article.

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@crimsonalchemist said:

Yet another ludicrous article.

Yet another comment making a bold statement and doing absolutely nothing to back it up. Insulting is easy. Proving a point? Not so much. I've already stated with @lvenger that I understand why people could side with Batman for a small majority and he did so in a totally rational manner... but your comment? It accomplishes nothing other than making you look bad, honestly. Clearly you think Batman wins, so prove it. Give at least a reason to justify your opinion. But hey, if you think that one insulting statement is a solid rebuttal to the paragraphs I wrote attempting to give this fight a fair analysis after weighing all of the facts and basics surrounding both characters, then be my guest.

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@k4tzm4n:

Your rebuttals are even stupider than your arguments in the article.

Posted by Reignmaker

@k4tzm4n: Intelligent points for a Bat win have already been made on this thread. I didn't feel the need to regurgitate them.

If people can post stuff like "batboys are butthurt" etc., I don't see how my response is being any more divisive for pointing out that they're responding in the exact same fashion as those "irrational" bat fans.

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@trickmonkey said:

@k4tzm4n:

Your rebuttals are even stupider than your arguments in the article.

All this tells me is you honestly can't support the statements you made and you're letting your personal preference and lack of knowledge dictate your opinion. Really, you're saying Kraven isn't A-list and therefore he loses against someone who is? That he's always had bad writing since he can fight Spider-Man? That this somehow is the equivalent of Bane beating Wolverine? Instead of trying to elaborate or even correct yourself, you're reducing yourself to totally petty insults. And because of that, you get a warning.

EDIT: Just realized you're Rich, the same person who has been banned for cursing at a female user and the same person who made the alt earlier in this thread just to drop insults and claim they're leaving the site (which you clearly haven't). Thanks for continuing to support the reason we banned you in the first place.

@reignmaker said:

@k4tzm4n: Intelligent points for a Bat win have already been made on this thread. I didn't feel the need to regurgitate them.

If people can post stuff like "batboys are butthurt" etc., I don't see how my response is being any more divisive for pointing out that they're responding in the exact same fashion as those "irrational" bat fans.

But... isn't that the very same thing you were just accusing people who side with Kraven of doing? Trumpeting off of someone else's opinion? ;)

And you're right. It's no better and shame on me for not calling those people as well. If I see anyone remark like that, I'll be sure to reply to them as well.

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Posted by frogdog

@k4tzm4n: Intelligent points for a Bat win have already been made on this thread. I didn't feel the need to regurgitate them.

If people can post stuff like "batboys are butthurt" etc., I don't see how my response is being any more divisive for pointing out that they're responding in the exact same fashion as those "irrational" bat fans.

The post above shows an example of "Batman fanboys" not giving a valid response. It's same thing that happen in the Black panther thread

Posted by k4tzm4n

@frogdog: No need for name calling, man.

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Posted by Reignmaker

@frogdog said:

The post above shows an example of "Batman fanboys" not giving a valid response. It's same thing that happen in the Black panther thread

Uh, just because I didn't give a response you wanted, doesn't make it invalid. I was pointing out hypocrisy, nothing more. If you didn't comprehend that, maybe try reading the posts again. Don't hurt yourself now.

@k4tzm4n said:

But... isn't that the very same thing you were just accusing people who side with Kraven of doing? Trumpeting off of someone else's opinion? ;)

Not sure I understand what you're getting at, Katz. Choosing not to repeat a contrary opinion isn't the same thing as flaming others over an article's outcome .

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@frogdog said:

The post above shows an example of "Batman fanboys" not giving a valid response. It's same thing that happen in the Black panther thread

Uh, just because I didn't give a response you wanted, doesn't make it invalid. I was pointing out hypocrisy, nothing more. If you didn't comprehend that, maybe try reading the posts again. Don't hurt yourself now.

I meant the post from "Trickmonkey" which is literally above your post, smartass.

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@frogdog said:

I meant the post from "Trickmonkey" which is literally above your post, smartass.

Ha.

Posted by laflux

And you wanna talk about nipple attacks? Kraven's shoot lasers (boring) and Bats' give nightmares that span decades! Kraven can't top that.

Edited by 80sGangInfestedArcades

Kraven couldn't defeat Batman because Batman has trained and prepared his whole life for taking down all sorts of villians from every type of genre Batman would take him down eventually but there are times when Batman doesn't always prevail i have a couple of comics where he was beaten or tricked (rarely) and Robin,Batgirl,Cat-woman etc or one of his justice league buddy's would have to rescue him

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SO MUCH DRAMA FOR AN ONLINE ARTICLE ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL FIGHT BETWEEN TWO FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.

Posted by God_Spawn

SO MUCH DRAMA FOR AN ONLINE ARTICLE ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL FIGHT BETWEEN TWO FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.

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@texasdeathmatch said:

SO MUCH DRAMA FOR AN ONLINE ARTICLE ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL FIGHT BETWEEN TWO FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.

I STRONGLY DISAGREE AND THINK YOU'RE A TERRIBLE PERSON FOR HOLDING THAT OPINION.

DO YOU WISH TO FIGHT OVER THIS? BECAUSE I DO.

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Posted by TheGreyOutcastX

Watching all this is amusing.

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@thegreyoutcastx: Ha! You know, that reminds me I still haven't finished Buffy on Netflix...

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Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

Half of these Bat Fanboys in this thread couldn't figure their way out of a phone booth. Good luck getting a coherent response from any of them. But damn! This thread is giving loads of laughs from all the butthurt.

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There's a lot of hurt butts in Batland today lol.

Posted by Saren

I honestly don't know which side's sadder, the Batman fanboys who are screaming bloody murder over this result or the people above who have nothing better to do with their time but get a kind of pathetic vicarious pleasure from watching a character that's made them so bitter and butthurt themselves stumble.

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@k4tzm4n said:

@thegreyoutcastx: Ha! You know, that reminds me I still haven't finished Buffy on Netflix...

I am thoroughly enjoying all the back and forth.....

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Man I can't believe this has gone on as long as this has. It's been entertaining to read. My favorite arguments are always "if they met in a comic Bats would win" (perhaps that's because he's a hero and the king of PiS wins?) or "Bats is so smart he'd figure something out". Two arguments that don't hold any weight because there is nothing backing them up. Oh if you don't believe Batman is the king of PiS, look at the scan where he's on venom and makes Superman bleed. Enough said about that I think. But I digress, why do people react like Batman losing one makes him a worse hero? Like not being able to always put one in the win column makes him crappy? I'll never understand that.

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I was gonna come up in here with a nice long response about how Kraven could take down Batman, then I completely forgot it when I got to: "Kraven's throne has skulls, but Batman has better posture. It's truly anyone's game, people."

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1. You can see be the title that they are looking for any excuse to make batman lose.

2. The author changed his avatar to one mocking batman.

3. The author logs on to attack any user that disagrees and no matter how many strong arguements keeps insisting they failed to make their point.

Clearly its just a marvel fanboy that enjoys hating on batman and thinks its funny to antagonize a large chunk of the sites users. Seems like bad business to me.

I'll humor this post.

1) Yawn. No. Read the article and you'll see this is wrong because I even included Batman's track record in this segment. If you did that (or even read the first paragraph), you'd see how ignorant this opinion is.

2) Changed it before writing this on Tuesday and it was because I watched the Egg Baby episode of Batman Beyond the night before. Try again. Or better yet, don't.

3) I reply to narrow-minded nonsense, you know, like the stuff you post and continue to post under alts in this thread even though you said you were done with the site. I'm all for intelligent conversation and have had such with plenty in this thread. If someone thinks Batman wins, cool. I don't mind at all and the evidence is in this comments section. But if you instead provide no reasoning and instead base your posts around petty attacks? You know, basically what you've been doing? I'm going to call it out.

Then again, you're the same person who apparently thinks it's okay to call a female user the C-word and make petty remarks about how they should be in the kitchen. And then upon being warned for that, you deflect? Get real, kid. This will be the last time I humor one of your baseless posts because you've wasted more than enough of my time with this one. Grow up or continue to get banned by us. It's that simple.

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