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Does Batman Always Win? Kraven vs. Batman

Sergei Kravinoff has hunted and defeated Peter Parker before... but does he have what it takes to bring down Batman, too? Find out what we think!

It's once again time to see how Batman would fare in a totally random encounter against a character he has no knowledge of. Everyone knows Batman's a beast with prep and when it comes to characters in his universe, he does indeed have a plan on how to handle almost everyone. But, I thought it would be way more fun to test his abilities against a slew of street level characters he knows nothing about because they're not from his world. This way we have to speculate how he'd react and whether or not he has what it takes to logically earn a majority of wins over his opponent. The Dark Knight is doing pretty well thus far in the monthly segment and has a record of 4 wins, 2 losses and only 1 draw (links to each are at the bottom). Now it's time to place him against one of Spider-Man's dangerous villains: Kraven the Hunter.

Kraven's throne has skulls, but Batman has better posture. It's truly anyone's game, people.

To make sure the segment is neutral, the matches will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting at night (NOT Gotham). All of the standard city lights and lights inside buildings will remain on. They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think takes the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).'

Does Kraven have what it takes to drop the Caped Crusader... or will he fail this hunt?

Fighting Skill

I feel like a broken record when it comes to this factor. Not many characters out there are more skilled than Batman, and Sergei Kravinoff isn't one of them. We all know the basics when it comes to Bruce's skill: master of a gazillion styles (127, but who's counting?) and he's sporting great form. He's had what it takes to drop Lady Shiva and even gave Deathstroke a tough time. While Kraven isn't Bruce's equal in technique, I'm here to tell you why he's no slouch, either. In fact, I'd say Kraven's a very talented hand-to-hand fighter (ranked 6 out of 7 in fighting skill in the official handbook). Sergei has spent decades training himself (he has slowed aging thanks to his potions) and globetrotting to take down every creature possible (yes, this includes animals in the Savage Land). He has extensive knowledge of human (and various animals') anatomy and frequently uses pressure points to disable his enemies. We've seen him use these attacks against Spider-Man and Tigra and he's used far more brutal methods against Vladimir and a sasquatch (snapped their limbs). His use of nerve strikes has ranged from merely disabling an entire limb to temporarily paralyzing his target.

Kraven made Spider-Man think, "OHHHH!" 'Nuff said, yes?

Spider-Man was borderline bloodlusted in the conclusion of Grim Hunt and he humiliated Kraven's entire family, yet Sergei was still able to land a slash and dislocate Parker's shoulder before going down. As you should know, Spider-Man is absolutely vicious and amazingly formidable when he really lets loose. Additionally, he's defeated Vermin while unarmed, successfully taken blood samples from all of the original X-Men while in combat for Mr. Sinister, and slit Kaine's throat before getting blitzed. Sergei doesn't have the luxury of facing more than a handful of characters, but based on what I have seen and his consistent fights with Spider-Man, he's certainly not a character to take lightly. Kraven may not be as skilled as Batman, but he's still pretty darn talented in this regard. Throw in his superior stats and this could spell trouble for Batman, but clearly, Mr. Wayne has the edge in this one.

Edge: Batman

Equipment

BW goes full Shatner.

Everyone and their mother should know what Batman is bringing to the table by now. Grappling lines, standard batarangs, sonic devices, small explosives, electric, gas, smoke, cryo and more. "But Gregg, how does he have all of this on him at all times? That's stupid!" Most of these devices are actually quite small and fit within the various pouches on his belt or are located somewhere on his costume. Besides, it's not in character for him to use all of them (cryo, for example), but he'd be a fool not to carry most of these things since he can't predict what kind of threat he'll encounter. And Batman? He's no fool. Let's not forget the man is technically a genius, yes? All of these different items don't weigh him down nor is it absurd to think he's packing a lot of variety while in his cowl. While standard batarangs won't do more than annoy Sergei, electric, gas and sonic attacks would prove effective if Batman has the chance to use them.

Variety is definitely on Batman's side, but Sergei has a simple yet highly effective variety of gear. Yes, he has his standard bladed weapons-- nothing too special there -- and his bolas and nets could give him a temporary opening, but it's his use of poisons and potions which could serve as a real game changer. We've seen the villain use them in quite a few different ways. Sometimes they're on his bladed weapons, they're on the tusks on his belt (which he can detach to use as melee weapons), he has a blow gun to fire poison-tipped darts, and he's even worn a gauntlet which fired dozens of little poisonous darts. In a vast majority of these showings, the poison/potions were able to drop his opponent in a few moments at most or severely impact their coordination (the key exception which comes to mind is his fight with Flash Thompson). This could be a huge factor, especially if Kraven momentarily snags Batman with a bola or a net. Then there's the infamous laser nipples on his vest (used at least 3 times and temporarily stuns his enemies), but yeah, I think we'll just go ahead and leave that weapon in the past.

Batman has a greater variety of high tech tools which can turn the tide, but Sergei's frequent use of poisons could prove to be equally troublesome as well since once slash is all it would take.

Edge: Draw

Imagine if Batman's costume was leopard print. You can't unsee it, can you?

Mentality

Kraven may look like a silly man, but he's by no means a dumb man. He prides himself on his tactics as a hunter and has adapted in combat numerous times. Thinking he needs prep or has to be in a jungle to remain effective is a silly misconception. Upon being disarmed by Tigra, he immediately countered by using a nerve strike to turn the odds. And when he knows he can't take Spider-Man in a slugfest, he resorts to poisons and has no shame in doing so. I think he'd have the same mentality against Batman. It won't take long to see he's facing someone who's amazingly skilled, so I think it's fair to assume he'd try to use his poisons ASAP. Even if he was oblivious to Batman's skill, it's still a tactic he'd opt to use sooner rather than later.

Those shoes...

Yes, Sergei is an intelligent man and great with tactics, but he's simply not Bruce's equal in this regard. Wayne's a genius and an expert tactician -- decades upon decades of comics have consistently proven this. Thanks to that and his superior form, there's the potential for him to direct the course of events or use the environment to his advantage as the fight progresses. The longer he's in the fight, the better his odds are.

While stealth is something both of these do characters use a fair amount, I actually don't view it as a huge factor here. The starting distance may seem like a fair gap to us, but to these characters it isn't much at all. Seeing as both appear to be standard humans when first spotted, I fail to see why either would opt to immediately run away into the shadows most of the time. Both are confident in their abilities as a combatant and both could close this gap in a matter of seconds if they wanted to, especially since Sergei can run in bursts of 60 mph. Both will use ranged weapons but it'll have no real impact. Sergei has danced around thrown weapons from T'Challa and Batman has a plethora of feats to justify dodging and/or blocking what Sergei could potentially throw his way during his head-on encounter. It won't be long before the two are within close proximity, but it is possible for Batman to use smoke pellets if things aren't going his way and resort to stealth. This could give him the advantage of the next strike, but he's also unaware of Kraven's expert tracking abilities. Regardless, I think this is a fight that will remain in close proximity most of the time due to the settings.

Both are wise and no nonsense fighters who can adapt to their environments (unless Kraven's facing Spider-Man, then he wastes opportunities like a true villain) but ultimately, there's just no disputing Wayne is simply a superior tactician.

Edge: Batman

Physicals

Bruce Wayne has pushed himself to peak human condition thanks to extensive and continuous training. But Sergei? We're talking about a dude who's superhuman after previously experimenting with herbal potions (which he no longer requires for these stats, by the way). His speed, strength and durability is absolutely above Bruce's.

When it comes to durability, Kraven is actually way more impressive than some may assume. Yes, he looks like an ordinary man, but it has been consistently established that he's incredibly durable. He can take numerous strikes from Spider-Man and, despite it sounding silly, Parker has once admitted he needed to use a strike which he'd use against the Hulk. Additionally, when Kraven abducted Harry Osborn back in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #47, Harry punched Sergei in the face and said the villain didn't feel it and it was like "hitting an elephant's hide." Long story short, Batman's standard assortment of strikes won't cut it when it comes to eliminating Kravinoff and that's a big deal at first in a random encounter.

Kraven's agility? Solid. Kraven's trash talking? Weak.

As for strength, Kraven's got the edge. He's made Spider-Man struggle in a grapple and a bear hug, punched through walls and constantly cites how he can drop a bull elephant in a single strike. According to his handbook entry, he can lift 2 tons. And when it comes to speed, Kraven can run in bursts of 60 miles per hour. Venom said he was, "faster than eyes track -- a blur of motion" and he's dodged lightning strikes from Storm and pistol shots from Deadpool. Furthermore, since his resurrection, Kraven has an accelerated healing factor which has allowed him to remain conscious after being stabbed int he heart (this happened twice). At any rate, I don't see this as being a huge factor since Batman using cutting/stabbing damage in a lethal measure is highly unlikely and there's no evidence to prove it has rendered him immune from electric or gas attacks.

Edge: Kraven

Verdict

I'm not the biggest fan of ABC logic, but please forgive me as I use it for a moment. While off venom, Bane has given Batman good fights -- a stalemate and even took the edge before losing once -- and it's clear he accomplishes this because of his edge in physicals. Yes, Bane is undeniably skilled and it pains me when people think he's merely a brawler, but he's not Batman's equal in that regard and it's his physicals which narrows the gap between the two. While it's definitely fair to say Kraven is slightly less skilled than Bane, he is, however, well above Bane when it comes to physicals (again, off venom). I'd say that large physical edge more than compensates for a slight technique disadvantage. By this logic, I believe Kraven should be more effective against Batman than an off-venom Bane because he's essentially in a similar skill range yet more physically impressive. And, if an off-venom Bane has what it takes to give Bruce great fights, I think this would grant Sergei better odds. Again, ABC logic should be used sparingly, but I do think there are numerous similarities between Kraven and Bane, so I thought it was a fitting example.

Batman does indeed have the skill, tactics and equipment required to eventually defeat Kraven -- there's really no denying that. But in a random encounter? I think it's more likely the Kraven's physicals in combination with his more than adequate degree of skill and use of poisons would allow him to overcome before Batman can use one of his more effective gadgets. The man has what it takes to keep pace, take hits and even land nerve strikes on Spider-Man, after all. It's definitely a great fight and has the potential to go either way, but in the end, I think Sergei's should take a slight majority (6/10).

Legitimate scan is legitimate. This is from... uh... Batman: Night of the Hunter...

We have a special guest chiming in for this one!

Erik Burnham, upcoming co-writer of SCARLET SPIDER

"Sure, he has that crazy lion-face vest that I'm surprised Lady Gaga hasn't co-opted, but Sergei Kravinoff can take a punch from Spider-Man. He can wrestle down gorillas. He can track by scent, and Batman doesn't have ESP on his side. I think Kraven's going to take Bats down a peg, and he's going to do it while wearing leopard print pants and laughing like Boris Badenov. That's gonna be embarrassing for the Dark Knight."

And what does a fellow Comic Vine staffer think about this battle?

Corey 'Undeadpool' Schroeder, Comic Vine Writer

"I originally went into this thinking Bats would take it easily, but the more I researched and reacquainted myself with the Hunter, the more I realized Kraven is, in many ways, Batman's polar opposite in that his power set very specifically counters many of Batman's usual tactics and he lacks any obvious weaknesses to be exploited. Batman would likely try to strike from the shadows, but Kraven would detect even the slightest noise thus Batman would immediately lose the element of surprise. Likewise, a man whose spent his entire life on the hunt for stronger and stronger prey would neither be alarmed by "the Bat Man" nor likely to be fooled into thinking he's any kind of supernatural force, so the fear element is gone as well. This leads to who can throw down more effectively on a base level and it's here that I think Kraven actually takes it. Batman's style tends to be very defensive and reactionary, which is absolutely not the way to take down Sergei as he has the advantage in strength and knowledge of anatomy, and at least equals Bats in agility and reflexes.

The utility belt might be versatile, but it's going to take more than pepper spray or a taser to stop Kraven, and even if Bats tries to get some distance to catch his breath or even attempt ranged combat, Kraven has shown himself plenty proficient with guns and enough traps and snares, even nets, to make sure the Bat doesn't get very far. Ultimately, it would come down to a pitched, knock-down, drag-out brawl, but Kraven would add the Batman's cowl to his many, many pelts."

There you have it, Viners. Erik, Corey and I think Kraven has the means to defeat Batman in a random encounter. But who do you think should win? Speak your mind below!

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Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

Gotta love the butthurt Bat Fanboys.

Posted by k4tzm4n

so Batman can beat Bane, but can't beat Kraven, that makes no sense.

Yes, it does and there's literally an entire paragraph about this in the article...

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Posted by GraniteSoldier

@k4tzm4n: Once again a well done piece. I think this is close, and while Kraven has beaten Spidey, if I remember correctly it wasn't done without considerable prep of his own. I think the same holds true here. Without good prep, Batman is edged out. What I feel a lot of responders forget when they mention Bat-feats is that in many ways Bats is the king of PiS victories (and I say that as a Bat-fan who follows his ongoings). You eliminated that and still gave Bats a fair swing.

I agree Kraven takes a slim 6/10 (perhaps even 5.5/10 if possible). But the inevitable bat-comeback will be 8 or 9/10 in Bats' favor.

Posted by mcbean

This is very good VS....I go with Batman for the win

Posted by Moby

I'm positive that he could handle Kraven. I believe that the argument above about Kraven and Batman eventually went to whether Kraven could take out Bane with still wouldn't help his case with or without venom. Batman's equipment would certainly give him an edge, instead of Kraven's ropes and nets. Lets be honest!!

Posted by cfrehse

great fight and i agree with you

Posted by Zeeguy91

Another great vs. article, @k4tzm4n. I actually came in here convinced that Batman would clinch this, but you've been able to convince me that Kraven would at least be able to get a draw out of this. I totally agree. Skill can only go so far. That's why Batman would obviously lose to Superman (sans Kryptonite, that is). Kraven has enough physical strength to close the gap.

However, I still feel that its entirely possible that Batman might just have something in his utility belt that would even the odds, or at least provide him the opportunity to get away.

Edited by GrandHarrier

I think I get the reasoning behind the slight edge to Kraven; I'm not sure I agree entirely but I can see the pendulum swinging ever so slightly in his favor in some peoples eyes. I'd say the edge goes closer to Batman, however, the longer the fight continues and the more he is able to study his opponent. Also, whether or not the anti-toxins he inevitably carries are of any use against Kraven's poisons.

Posted by Phaedrusgr

Bruce would find the way to take down Bearded Lady Gaga. I think I disagree with the outcome. I say 8/10 for Bruce.

Edited by Azura_Thena

@grandharrier:

I just don't see how any of his antitoxins he is carrying would do any good against custom poisons that Batman has never encountered before. Antitoxins are made for their respective toxins and they are only short-term solutions (AAPI). He can't just inject himself with an antitoxin for fear gas and have permanent immunity to that and every other agent. Once his body flushes out the antibodies, they are gone and repeated use of these antitoxins pose eventual risks such as hypersensitivity, serum sickness, and DILI.

Posted by Black_Arrow

I havent see a fight of kraven with a peak human because of that i dont know how he fights against them. Batman usually with someone skilled he tries to not use gadgets and pull a fair fight, maybe Kraven beats him that way. But if Kraven uses his gadgets, Batman will use them too, and he wins. He can counter almost all Kraven tools. Poisons, Batman has gas masks and a powerful body armor, bolas and nets, Batman cuts them easily, the only thing i dont know how it works is his nipple rays. it is electricity, If they are that the batsuit can take them. After that Batman uses all his explosives and cryo bombs to severely damage Kracen betting him. This is a 6/10 towards Batman, because he usually tries to give the enemy a fair hand to hand fight, if he thinks they are equal, and he would lost to Kraven

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Posted by Queso6p4

Very neat match-up. Well-done.

Posted by jwalser3

Awwwhhhhh yyeeaahhhh.

Posted by Reignmaker

This just in...Kraven beats Doctor Doom too! Clearly his poisons are too OP.

Posted by AWeekInGeekdom

I think Kraven wins a first encounter hands down, Batman would then prepare for a second encounter and even the odds.

Posted by Undeadpool

@k4tzm4n Discounting the laser nipples? For SHAAAAAAAME!

@jaybefre said:

Surprised to see Batman lose this one. I thought he would take this at least 8 out of 10 times. Batman has fought animal/savage types (man-bat and killer croc) before and won. I don't see Kraven being able to keep up with Batman. Interesting match up though. I was beginning to miss these.

Kraven hunts the savage types, but never mistake him FOR a savage type. I think Kirk Langstrom's head would look lovely on Kraven's mantle and he'd likely have himself a lovely new pair of boots after a Killer Croc encounter. Check out Kraven's Last Hunt to see him in top form!

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Posted by WaveMotionCannon

#63 Posted by SandMan_ (2987 posts) - 6 hours, 35 minutes ago - Show Bio

@dernman said:

Heh these Batman vs threads are a great source for laughter.

HEHEHE, yes. You can see how people overestimate Batman's abilities.

The right man won get over it, no prep crutch to lean on for The Bat= BUTTHURT?!?

Posted by Paragon_Sean

Kraven beating Batman!?! Whoa... I always thought Kraven was just some chump with a fetish for leopard skins that Spiderman smacks around on a daily basis. I guess it goes to show that you tend to underestimate characters that you don't particularly like.

Posted by Cyclops4President

@dwrathborne: I completely agree. 9/10 for a prepared Bats, 6/10 for the hunter unprepared.

Edited by MuyJingo

@k4tzm4n

In fact, I'd say Kraven's a very talented hand-to-hand fighter (ranked 6 out of 7 in fighting skill in the official handbook).

Which official handbook?

Posted by mavfan626

Kraven can beat Batman but Deadpool can't? what a load of s***...

Edited by k4tzm4n

@muyjingo said:

@k4tzm4n

In fact, I'd say Kraven's a very talented hand-to-hand fighter (ranked 6 out of 7 in fighting skill in the official handbook).

Which official handbook?

@mavfan626 said:

Kraven can beat Batman but Deadpool can't? what a load of s***...

One character has become far too prone to goofing around and prolonging fights -- a massive mistake against someone with so much gear, a smarter mind and more skill. The other has a far more focused mindset can essentially shift the tide with one poisonous stab. For the love of Moses, don't use ABC logic when it comes to Batman's W/L record because it's a hugely flawed approach. This doesn't mean Kraven beats Deadpool by any measure. That's a whole different conversation.

And since when did I say Deadpool "can't" beat Batman? I said I'd barely side with Batman -- that grants Deadpool at least four wins.

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Edited by MuyJingo

@k4tzm4n: I wasn't doubting the entry, I was just curious as to which official handbook you were referring to, which the scan doesn't answer.

Thank you though.

Posted by God_Spawn

How dare a low tier B-list villain defeat as popular of a character and A list hero like Batman!! I demand a new thread with a new barely known character and make Batman win. Put him against Tomi Shishido.

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Posted by daredevil21134

OMG!!! Batman lost!!! How!!!Good job Greg,very well thought out

Posted by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow

Wait Deadpool didn't win but Kraven beat him. BATMAN?! No f***ing way. I mean Kraven could mabye win once, but like no just no.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@queso6p4: @zeeguy91: @granitesoldier: @omnicrono: THANK YOU!!!!!!

@k4tzm4n Discounting the laser nipples? For SHAAAAAAAME!

@jaybefre said:

Surprised to see Batman lose this one. I thought he would take this at least 8 out of 10 times. Batman has fought animal/savage types (man-bat and killer croc) before and won. I don't see Kraven being able to keep up with Batman. Interesting match up though. I was beginning to miss these.

Kraven hunts the savage types, but never mistake him FOR a savage type. I think Kirk Langstrom's head would look lovely on Kraven's mantle and he'd likely have himself a lovely new pair of boots after a Killer Croc encounter. Check out Kraven's Last Hunt to see him in top form!

Come on. The laser nipples = instawin. It's too unfair! The omega beams pale in comparison!

Kraven beating Batman!?! Whoa... I always thought Kraven was just some chump with a fetish for leopard skins that Spiderman smacks around on a daily basis. I guess it goes to show that you tend to underestimate characters that you don't particularly like.

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Edited by God_Spawn

And you wanna talk about nipple attacks? Kraven's shoot lasers (boring) and Bats' give nightmares that span decades! Kraven can't top that.

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Edited by k4tzm4n

@daredevil21134: Thank you.

@banestrokelobogrundybatarrow:Here's what I said to Mavfan:

"One character has become far too prone to goofing around and prolonging fights -- a massive mistake against someone with so much gear, a smarter mind and more skill. The other has a far more focused mindset can essentially shift the tide with one poisonous stab. For the love of Moses, don't use ABC logic when it comes to Batman's W/L record because it's a hugely flawed approach. This doesn't mean Kraven beats Deadpool by any measure. That's a whole different conversation."

@god_spawn: GAH! MY EYES!

@muyjingo: You're welcome. And if you asked me this years ago, I would have known. But now? It's merely a scan in my folder.

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Posted by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow

Love the Bane part of the article, well of course I did

Posted by comicace3

@k4tzm4n: It seems like every spider-man villain can defeat batman 6-10 out of 10 times. Has there ever been a time where batman has been able to match and even beat a Spiderman villain? Oh and I'd love to see batman go against people like Snake Eyes, or even Storm Shadow.

Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus

Kraven walks away from this, but it is a Pyrrhic victory at best. Bruce makes Sergei pay dearly for every blow to him, and in the end Sergei may have gotten his ultimate hunt but retires from serious physical maiming by the Dark Knight. In other words, Batman loses this, but there really is no decisive winner I say.

Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf

I'm laughing at all the people who take Batman losing as a personal insult to them. It's a matter of opinion people....

I can see Kraven winning because Batman is fighting blind.

Posted by HushoftheWind

btw i just looked up the stats on both Bane and Kraven and Bane actually edges Kraven out in the strength department not unless Kraven got a power upgrade recently i dont know about.

Edited by Agent73

The only thing I learned from this article is that Comic Vine or maybe just Greg Katzman have zero credibility when discussing comics. Let me guess, next week they will have Deadpool defeating Superman so all of the Marvel monkeys can howl and throw their own poop on the threads like morons again. No thanks, I'll find somewhere else for comic news from now on.

Posted by Onemoreposter

So, Kraven can punch Rhinos. Big deal, Batman chokes them out. Batman beats craven down.

Posted by mavfan626

@k4tzm4n said:

Kraven can beat Batman but Deadpool can't? what a load of s***...

One character has become far too prone to goofing around and prolonging fights -- a massive mistake against someone with so much gear, a smarter mind and more skill. The other has a far more focused mindset can essentially shift the tide with one poisonous stab. For the love of Moses, don't use ABC logic when it comes to Batman's W/L record because it's a hugely flawed approach. This doesn't mean Kraven beats Deadpool by any measure. That's a whole different conversation.

And since when did I say Deadpool "can't" beat Batman? I said I'd barely side with Batman -- that grants Deadpool at least four wins.

Well, yeah, he goofs around if your using Way's Deadpool......... but in every other instants regarding Deadpool fights he rarely if ever goofed around in his fights. Batman's gear can't do much if anything, even the knock out gas, yes Deadpool's been knock out using traqs but most of the time it's enough to kill an elephant or something like that.. Batman's Knock out Gas wouldn't be that strong, Deadpool healing factor would allow him to fight through it.

Kraven beating Batman makes sense imo because Deadpool and Kraven are almost physically the same, even in the Marvel Handbook they have the same stats in strength and fighting skills.. Not to forget that he is a Spiderman villain which means his stats are superhuman across the board anyway..

Edited by Gritterr

@agent73 said:

The only thing I learned from this article is that Comic Vine or maybe just Greg Katzman have zero credibility when discussing comics. Let me guess, next week they will have Deadpool defeating Superman so all of the Marvel monkeys can howl and throw their own poop on the threads like morons again. No thanks, I'll find somewhere else for comic news from now on.

Butthurt Comicbook fan 101

Posted by nrgb2814

In the end, it all comes down to who would write this fight.

Posted by Night Thrasher

The best part of these threads is how bunched up bat fans panties get when @k4tzm4n declares that Batman is not the winner...

I thought Bats was gonna take this one too, but the reasoning behind the decision makes sense to me. Bane broke Batman in a story that was almost a mirror image of Kraven's Last Hunt. If Bane could do it I see no reason why Kraven couldn't.

Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

@agent73: The Butthurt is strong in you young Batawan! Maybe you need some help from@loretta64398347?

Posted by Rick_Grayson

Batman 6 / 10 for me, but a good match up nonetheless

Posted by TDK_1997

I disagree with the outcome.While Kraven has gone against Spider-Man and has some great chance of giving Batman a great battle I can't see him take the win.Batman has been seen a lot of times in battles he can't win and he has done otherwise.He does the unthinkable and this won't be any different.In my opinion Batman would win.

Posted by mordred58

I think that Kraven actually wins 7-8 out of 10 times...the things Bats is good at Kraven has seen and Krven can counteract most of Bats' defenses (after all, bats would need to reach down to his utility belt to grab the proper tool - assuming he can react to what he needs in time). Kraven would also have the physical prowess to best Batman (after all, a human being can only punch or kick so hard....Kraven can punch and kick much harder than that).

Bats would eventually win due to Kraven's arrogance. Kraven, upon realizing how dangerous Batman is, would either a: follow a poisoned and beaten Batman back to the Batcave for round 1A, or b: which is more likely, decide to torment Batman by picking off the rest of the Bat family one by one for the ultimate hunt of a dangerous foe. This would give Batman the proper amount of time for research and prep that would make round 2 almost anticlimactic.

Edited by Teerack

I think Batman would be pretty hurt after a match with The Hunter.

Edited by k4tzm4n

@agent73 said:

The only thing I learned from this article is that Comic Vine or maybe just Greg Katzman have zero credibility when discussing comics. Let me guess, next week they will have Deadpool defeating Superman so all of the Marvel monkeys can howl and throw their own poop on the threads like morons again. No thanks, I'll find somewhere else for comic news from now on.

So, instead of stating why you disagree with the verdict and providing your own rational reasons (like the vast majority of others have done), you're going to instead make a totally immature and irrational post like this one? If that's how you react whenever you disagree with something, then I have to say you won't be missed, Rich.

Then again, you're the same individual who thinks you were banned because of disagreeing with my reviews and not because you reduced yourself to calling a female user the c-word and then a d-bag.

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Posted by Saren

Please decide whether ComicVine is hopelessly biased in favor of DC or Marvel. Y'all keep changing your stance on this so much.

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Edited by k4tzm4n

Please decide whether ComicVine is hopelessly biased in favor of DC or Marvel. Y'all keep changing your stance on this so much.

God help me if a Valiant character wins.

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