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Does Batman Always Win? Kraven vs. Batman

Sergei Kravinoff has hunted and defeated Peter Parker before... but does he have what it takes to bring down Batman, too? Find out what we think!

It's once again time to see how Batman would fare in a totally random encounter against a character he has no knowledge of. Everyone knows Batman's a beast with prep and when it comes to characters in his universe, he does indeed have a plan on how to handle almost everyone. But, I thought it would be way more fun to test his abilities against a slew of street level characters he knows nothing about because they're not from his world. This way we have to speculate how he'd react and whether or not he has what it takes to logically earn a majority of wins over his opponent. The Dark Knight is doing pretty well thus far in the monthly segment and has a record of 4 wins, 2 losses and only 1 draw (links to each are at the bottom). Now it's time to place him against one of Spider-Man's dangerous villains: Kraven the Hunter.

Kraven's throne has skulls, but Batman has better posture. It's truly anyone's game, people.

To make sure the segment is neutral, the matches will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting at night (NOT Gotham). All of the standard city lights and lights inside buildings will remain on. They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think takes the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).'

Does Kraven have what it takes to drop the Caped Crusader... or will he fail this hunt?

Fighting Skill

I feel like a broken record when it comes to this factor. Not many characters out there are more skilled than Batman, and Sergei Kravinoff isn't one of them. We all know the basics when it comes to Bruce's skill: master of a gazillion styles (127, but who's counting?) and he's sporting great form. He's had what it takes to drop Lady Shiva and even gave Deathstroke a tough time. While Kraven isn't Bruce's equal in technique, I'm here to tell you why he's no slouch, either. In fact, I'd say Kraven's a very talented hand-to-hand fighter (ranked 6 out of 7 in fighting skill in the official handbook). Sergei has spent decades training himself (he has slowed aging thanks to his potions) and globetrotting to take down every creature possible (yes, this includes animals in the Savage Land). He has extensive knowledge of human (and various animals') anatomy and frequently uses pressure points to disable his enemies. We've seen him use these attacks against Spider-Man and Tigra and he's used far more brutal methods against Vladimir and a sasquatch (snapped their limbs). His use of nerve strikes has ranged from merely disabling an entire limb to temporarily paralyzing his target.

Kraven made Spider-Man think, "OHHHH!" 'Nuff said, yes?

Spider-Man was borderline bloodlusted in the conclusion of Grim Hunt and he humiliated Kraven's entire family, yet Sergei was still able to land a slash and dislocate Parker's shoulder before going down. As you should know, Spider-Man is absolutely vicious and amazingly formidable when he really lets loose. Additionally, he's defeated Vermin while unarmed, successfully taken blood samples from all of the original X-Men while in combat for Mr. Sinister, and slit Kaine's throat before getting blitzed. Sergei doesn't have the luxury of facing more than a handful of characters, but based on what I have seen and his consistent fights with Spider-Man, he's certainly not a character to take lightly. Kraven may not be as skilled as Batman, but he's still pretty darn talented in this regard. Throw in his superior stats and this could spell trouble for Batman, but clearly, Mr. Wayne has the edge in this one.

Edge: Batman

Equipment

BW goes full Shatner.

Everyone and their mother should know what Batman is bringing to the table by now. Grappling lines, standard batarangs, sonic devices, small explosives, electric, gas, smoke, cryo and more. "But Gregg, how does he have all of this on him at all times? That's stupid!" Most of these devices are actually quite small and fit within the various pouches on his belt or are located somewhere on his costume. Besides, it's not in character for him to use all of them (cryo, for example), but he'd be a fool not to carry most of these things since he can't predict what kind of threat he'll encounter. And Batman? He's no fool. Let's not forget the man is technically a genius, yes? All of these different items don't weigh him down nor is it absurd to think he's packing a lot of variety while in his cowl. While standard batarangs won't do more than annoy Sergei, electric, gas and sonic attacks would prove effective if Batman has the chance to use them.

Variety is definitely on Batman's side, but Sergei has a simple yet highly effective variety of gear. Yes, he has his standard bladed weapons-- nothing too special there -- and his bolas and nets could give him a temporary opening, but it's his use of poisons and potions which could serve as a real game changer. We've seen the villain use them in quite a few different ways. Sometimes they're on his bladed weapons, they're on the tusks on his belt (which he can detach to use as melee weapons), he has a blow gun to fire poison-tipped darts, and he's even worn a gauntlet which fired dozens of little poisonous darts. In a vast majority of these showings, the poison/potions were able to drop his opponent in a few moments at most or severely impact their coordination (the key exception which comes to mind is his fight with Flash Thompson). This could be a huge factor, especially if Kraven momentarily snags Batman with a bola or a net. Then there's the infamous laser nipples on his vest (used at least 3 times and temporarily stuns his enemies), but yeah, I think we'll just go ahead and leave that weapon in the past.

Batman has a greater variety of high tech tools which can turn the tide, but Sergei's frequent use of poisons could prove to be equally troublesome as well since once slash is all it would take.

Edge: Draw

Imagine if Batman's costume was leopard print. You can't unsee it, can you?

Mentality

Kraven may look like a silly man, but he's by no means a dumb man. He prides himself on his tactics as a hunter and has adapted in combat numerous times. Thinking he needs prep or has to be in a jungle to remain effective is a silly misconception. Upon being disarmed by Tigra, he immediately countered by using a nerve strike to turn the odds. And when he knows he can't take Spider-Man in a slugfest, he resorts to poisons and has no shame in doing so. I think he'd have the same mentality against Batman. It won't take long to see he's facing someone who's amazingly skilled, so I think it's fair to assume he'd try to use his poisons ASAP. Even if he was oblivious to Batman's skill, it's still a tactic he'd opt to use sooner rather than later.

Those shoes...

Yes, Sergei is an intelligent man and great with tactics, but he's simply not Bruce's equal in this regard. Wayne's a genius and an expert tactician -- decades upon decades of comics have consistently proven this. Thanks to that and his superior form, there's the potential for him to direct the course of events or use the environment to his advantage as the fight progresses. The longer he's in the fight, the better his odds are.

While stealth is something both of these do characters use a fair amount, I actually don't view it as a huge factor here. The starting distance may seem like a fair gap to us, but to these characters it isn't much at all. Seeing as both appear to be standard humans when first spotted, I fail to see why either would opt to immediately run away into the shadows most of the time. Both are confident in their abilities as a combatant and both could close this gap in a matter of seconds if they wanted to, especially since Sergei can run in bursts of 60 mph. Both will use ranged weapons but it'll have no real impact. Sergei has danced around thrown weapons from T'Challa and Batman has a plethora of feats to justify dodging and/or blocking what Sergei could potentially throw his way during his head-on encounter. It won't be long before the two are within close proximity, but it is possible for Batman to use smoke pellets if things aren't going his way and resort to stealth. This could give him the advantage of the next strike, but he's also unaware of Kraven's expert tracking abilities. Regardless, I think this is a fight that will remain in close proximity most of the time due to the settings.

Both are wise and no nonsense fighters who can adapt to their environments (unless Kraven's facing Spider-Man, then he wastes opportunities like a true villain) but ultimately, there's just no disputing Wayne is simply a superior tactician.

Edge: Batman

Physicals

Bruce Wayne has pushed himself to peak human condition thanks to extensive and continuous training. But Sergei? We're talking about a dude who's superhuman after previously experimenting with herbal potions (which he no longer requires for these stats, by the way). His speed, strength and durability is absolutely above Bruce's.

When it comes to durability, Kraven is actually way more impressive than some may assume. Yes, he looks like an ordinary man, but it has been consistently established that he's incredibly durable. He can take numerous strikes from Spider-Man and, despite it sounding silly, Parker has once admitted he needed to use a strike which he'd use against the Hulk. Additionally, when Kraven abducted Harry Osborn back in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #47, Harry punched Sergei in the face and said the villain didn't feel it and it was like "hitting an elephant's hide." Long story short, Batman's standard assortment of strikes won't cut it when it comes to eliminating Kravinoff and that's a big deal at first in a random encounter.

Kraven's agility? Solid. Kraven's trash talking? Weak.

As for strength, Kraven's got the edge. He's made Spider-Man struggle in a grapple and a bear hug, punched through walls and constantly cites how he can drop a bull elephant in a single strike. According to his handbook entry, he can lift 2 tons. And when it comes to speed, Kraven can run in bursts of 60 miles per hour. Venom said he was, "faster than eyes track -- a blur of motion" and he's dodged lightning strikes from Storm and pistol shots from Deadpool. Furthermore, since his resurrection, Kraven has an accelerated healing factor which has allowed him to remain conscious after being stabbed int he heart (this happened twice). At any rate, I don't see this as being a huge factor since Batman using cutting/stabbing damage in a lethal measure is highly unlikely and there's no evidence to prove it has rendered him immune from electric or gas attacks.

Edge: Kraven

Verdict

I'm not the biggest fan of ABC logic, but please forgive me as I use it for a moment. While off venom, Bane has given Batman good fights -- a stalemate and even took the edge before losing once -- and it's clear he accomplishes this because of his edge in physicals. Yes, Bane is undeniably skilled and it pains me when people think he's merely a brawler, but he's not Batman's equal in that regard and it's his physicals which narrows the gap between the two. While it's definitely fair to say Kraven is slightly less skilled than Bane, he is, however, well above Bane when it comes to physicals (again, off venom). I'd say that large physical edge more than compensates for a slight technique disadvantage. By this logic, I believe Kraven should be more effective against Batman than an off-venom Bane because he's essentially in a similar skill range yet more physically impressive. And, if an off-venom Bane has what it takes to give Bruce great fights, I think this would grant Sergei better odds. Again, ABC logic should be used sparingly, but I do think there are numerous similarities between Kraven and Bane, so I thought it was a fitting example.

Batman does indeed have the skill, tactics and equipment required to eventually defeat Kraven -- there's really no denying that. But in a random encounter? I think it's more likely the Kraven's physicals in combination with his more than adequate degree of skill and use of poisons would allow him to overcome before Batman can use one of his more effective gadgets. The man has what it takes to keep pace, take hits and even land nerve strikes on Spider-Man, after all. It's definitely a great fight and has the potential to go either way, but in the end, I think Sergei's should take a slight majority (6/10).

Legitimate scan is legitimate. This is from... uh... Batman: Night of the Hunter...

We have a special guest chiming in for this one!

Erik Burnham, upcoming co-writer of SCARLET SPIDER

"Sure, he has that crazy lion-face vest that I'm surprised Lady Gaga hasn't co-opted, but Sergei Kravinoff can take a punch from Spider-Man. He can wrestle down gorillas. He can track by scent, and Batman doesn't have ESP on his side. I think Kraven's going to take Bats down a peg, and he's going to do it while wearing leopard print pants and laughing like Boris Badenov. That's gonna be embarrassing for the Dark Knight."

And what does a fellow Comic Vine staffer think about this battle?

Corey 'Undeadpool' Schroeder, Comic Vine Writer

"I originally went into this thinking Bats would take it easily, but the more I researched and reacquainted myself with the Hunter, the more I realized Kraven is, in many ways, Batman's polar opposite in that his power set very specifically counters many of Batman's usual tactics and he lacks any obvious weaknesses to be exploited. Batman would likely try to strike from the shadows, but Kraven would detect even the slightest noise thus Batman would immediately lose the element of surprise. Likewise, a man whose spent his entire life on the hunt for stronger and stronger prey would neither be alarmed by "the Bat Man" nor likely to be fooled into thinking he's any kind of supernatural force, so the fear element is gone as well. This leads to who can throw down more effectively on a base level and it's here that I think Kraven actually takes it. Batman's style tends to be very defensive and reactionary, which is absolutely not the way to take down Sergei as he has the advantage in strength and knowledge of anatomy, and at least equals Bats in agility and reflexes.

The utility belt might be versatile, but it's going to take more than pepper spray or a taser to stop Kraven, and even if Bats tries to get some distance to catch his breath or even attempt ranged combat, Kraven has shown himself plenty proficient with guns and enough traps and snares, even nets, to make sure the Bat doesn't get very far. Ultimately, it would come down to a pitched, knock-down, drag-out brawl, but Kraven would add the Batman's cowl to his many, many pelts."

There you have it, Viners. Erik, Corey and I think Kraven has the means to defeat Batman in a random encounter. But who do you think should win? Speak your mind below!

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242 Comments
Posted by TheBournePoster

I disagree with the outcome, but it was a very good article since a case could be made for either. However, I do think a mention should have been made of the fact that Batman has immunized himself to many poisons, and has proven ridiculously resistant to some in the past.

Posted by Perfect 10

batman vs elektra!!

Posted by Azura_Thena

I disagree with the outcome, but it was a very good article since a case could be made for either. However, I do think a mention should have been made of the fact that Batman has immunized himself to many poisons, and has proven ridiculously resistant to some in the past.

When did this happen? And were they doses prepared for specific encounters or somehow permanent immunizations?

Posted by RatNose

No. Just... No.

Posted by ekrolo

This one can honestly go anywhere.

Posted by Bloxxeh

The thing about Batman is he will always find a way to beat his opponent. It may take a while, but he will.

Edited by Bogey

Kraven isn't that good to take out the Batman.

Edited by Azura_Thena

@bloxxeh said:

The thing about Batman is he will always find a way to beat his opponent. It may take a while, but he will.

The same thing can be said about nearly every hero.

@bogey said:

Kraven isn't that good to take out the Batman.

There is more to it than simply skill.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@laflux said:

@k4tzm4n Again, I demand official recognition for being the first person on the discussion thread to recommend this to you.........

*insert recognition here*

I love these articles

I love you for loving them. Thanks!

I disagree with the outcome, but it was a very good article since a case could be made for either. However, I do think a mention should have been made of the fact that Batman has immunized himself to many poisons, and has proven ridiculously resistant to some in the past.

Thank you. Yes, BATMAN RIP does confirm he's immune to some toxins and has antidotes on him for others, but seeing as he's facing a guy who makes custom poisons (one he even stated has no cure), I didn't think it was probable Batman would be immune to them.

Posted by ElNino

No, Batman all the way

Edited by RustyRoy

@k4tzm4n Poison darts is useless against Batman's armor, Kraven is physically superior to Bruce but its not by much, and Batman's armor and gadgets give him a greater edge. People think Batman is useless without prep but that's not true and Batman is always prepared. They are similar in the many ways, both are hunters, they trap their victims, they both exploit their enemy's weaknesses, both of them make good use of their surroundings but Batman is slightly better at those things, Batman has faced foes who are physically superior to him and are great tacticians and still won. Batman would definitely win at least 6 out 10 times. I could even see this as a draw. And Captain America can defeat Kraven so if Batman can stalemate Cap then he can definitely beat Kraven. I'm not good at battle arguments but I still think Batman can beat Kraven or at least stalemate him.

Edited by k4tzm4n

@rustyroy: Kraven's poisons aren't limited to his blow gun.

We've seen the villain use them in quite a few different ways. Sometimes they're on his bladed weapons, they're on the tusks on his belt (which he can detach to use as melee weapons), he has a blow gun to fire poison-tipped darts, and he's even worn a gauntlet which fired dozens of little poisonous darts.

Captain America's primary weapon can actually hurt Kraven. The same doesn't hold true for Batman -- he needs to resort to his other options, and in a random encounter, this isn't something he's aware of and therefore an immediate disadvantage during the initial clash.

Thinking Batman takes 6 out of 10 is fine. You won't see me disagreeing with that. But if someone thinks one stomps the other, then they're posting without doing proper research or letting personal opinion get in the way. And if people honestly think Batman is "useless" without prep, then their opinion clearly has no weight behind it, so I wouldn't worry about them.

Posted by SandMan_

@dernman said:

Heh these Batman vs threads are a great source for laughter.

HEHEHE, yes. You can see how people overestimate Batman's abilities.

Edited by Avilon

I liked your article and most of the logic behind it.I do have one problem though when you gave the gear advantage as a draw. Yes Kraven has the use of poisons which can be extremely debilitating if disabling if the victim were to be infected. But my problem is they have to be administered either through melee or ranged attacks all requiring to penitent batman's armor, lest of course he gets a face shot on batts. Could Kraven's physicals allow him to penetrate batman's armor effectively with poisons? Granted the fight could probably go either way though...

Posted by feargalr

This is such a great regular article... I wish I thought of it....

Posted by Decoy Elite

Nice summary and I agree.

But I can't help but wish this fight was in a real comic as it'd be freakin' great to read.

Posted by Med

Another great artical. I think Kraven stealth and hunting skills were kind of overlooked though. Batman's obviously no slouch in that area, but Kraven has made a life out of it. He's hunted Spider-Man, who has a superhuman sixth-sense. I just think it would factor into the encounter more.

Maybe Batman vs Elektra, Black Widow or Sage next? There's yet to be a female opponent for the Dark Knight.

Posted by theTimeStreamer

the butthurt is so strong in this thread

Posted by Decoy Elite

@med: Well while he does have some good stealth skills he really doesn't make large use of them outside of tracking. The man prefers to get more strait up in fights, mostly because it's all about the challenge for him most of the time.

Posted by ULTRAstarkiller

Batman should have won but still fun to read.

Posted by Azura_Thena

@avilon said:

I liked your article and most of the logic behind it.I do have one problem though when you gave the gear advantage as a draw. Yes Kraven has the use of poisons which can be extremely debilitating if disabling if the victim were to be infected. But my problem is they have to be administered either through melee or ranged attacks all requiring to penitent batman's armor, lest of course he gets a face shot on batts. Could Kraven's physicals allow him to penetrate batman's armor effectively with poisons?

He should be able to get right through Batman's suit. Glass seemed to cut right through Batman's armor in his fight with Bane.

Posted by RustyRoy

@k4tzm4n

We've seen the villain use them in quite a few different ways. Sometimes they're on his bladed weapons, they're on the tusks on his belt (which he can detach to use as melee weapons), he has a blow gun to fire poison-tipped darts, and he's even worn a gauntlet which fired dozens of little poisonous darts.

  • This one can work but its not his usual equipment. Batman is fully covered except the jaw area so it will be very hard for Kraven to poison him since Batman will try hard to dodge the tusks or the bladed weapons.

Captain America's primary weapon can actually hurt Kraven. The same doesn't hold true for Batman -- he needs to resort to his other options, and in a random encounter, this isn't something he's aware of and therefore an immediate disadvantage during the initial clash.

Thinking Batman takes 6 out of 10 is fine. You won't see me disagreeing with that. But if someone thinks one stomps the other, then they're posting without doing proper research or letting personal opinion get in the way. And if people honestly think Batman is "useless" without prep, then their opinion clearly has no weight behind it, so I wouldn't worry about them.

  • Yes but Batman never underestimates his enemies, he'll fight with all his strength to take down Kraven and he's capable of eventually figuring out a way to defeat Kraven, and we've already seen that Batman can be pretty violent. As I said before they are almost equal so this could go either way but Bat's got a great range of arsenals and knows how to use them as effectively as Cap uses his shield, that's why I'm giving him the edge. Although I think a 5-5 verdict would've been much better since you also gave the same verdict in the Cap vs Bats battle.

Anyways Batman vs. Kraven is probably the closest match-up yet and even though I disagree with the verdict, the rest of the article was near perfect.

Posted by noj

No way Kraven would win against Batman. This whole series of articles is incredibly stupid and only serves to ignite flame wars between fans and piss everyone off.

Edited by Azura_Thena

@noj said:

No way Kraven would win against Batman. This whole series of articles is incredibly stupid and only serves to ignite flame wars between fans and piss everyone off.

I find these articles to be extremely well done exercises in logic. The only people I see getting angry are those that put their personal love of Batman above reason.

Edited by k4tzm4n

@noj said:

No way Kraven would win against Batman. This whole series of articles is incredibly stupid and only serves to ignite flame wars between fans and piss everyone off.

"BATMAN WINS. BUT THESE ARTICLES ARE DUMB BECAUSE PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH ME AND IT STEMS DEBATES."

Yeah, that's basically how I read your post. Sure, there's bound to be fanboys and people who get too heated over discussions, but why should that ruin the fun for everyone? Out of the thousands of views, these pieces tend to have no more than a dozen or so people (at most) who fall into your complaint.

Many of us enjoy speculating over these matters and can talk about it in a civil and respectful manner. Based on your post, you're apparently not one of them. Unless you'd like to prove me wrong and reply in a totally civil and rational way, and trust me, I'd love nothing more than to see that.

Anyway, thanks for the constructive criticism.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@noj said:

No way Kraven would win against Batman. This whole series of articles is incredibly stupid and only serves to ignite flame wars between fans and piss everyone off.

I find these articles to be extremely well done exercises in logic. The only people I see getting angry are those that put their personal love of Batman above reason.

Batman should have won but still fun to read.

@feargalr said:

This is such a great regular article... I wish I thought of it....

@med said:

Another great artical. I think Kraven stealth and hunting skills were kind of overlooked though. Batman's obviously no slouch in that area, but Kraven has made a life out of it. He's hunted Spider-Man, who has a superhuman sixth-sense. I just think it would factor into the encounter more.

Maybe Batman vs Elektra, Black Widow or Sage next? There's yet to be a female opponent for the Dark Knight.

Thanks for the kind words.

Med, fear not, I definitely have plans to use a female character soon :D

Posted by TheHeat

" I don't think Spiderman could defeat Batman,"

Spider-Man would be too much for Batman. Batman would no way defeat Spidey.

Posted by mitchelmurphy

Kraven always get's my vote at leopard tights. Driving a spear through Batmans head is just showing off.

Posted by rd2race

Kraven's physicals FAR outclass batmans. They outclass bane's ON venom. Batman really isn't beating the majority of spidey's villans in a random encounter. with prep sure he can beat most of them. In a random encounter I only see him beating people like chameleon, mysterio, MAYBE kingpin in hand to hand.

Posted by venomoushatred1001

Kravinoff ftw!

Posted by RustyRoy

@rd2race: Kraven can never physically outclass Bane with Venom.

Posted by frogdog

People bring up Bane & killer croc, forget that Kraven would beat both of them as well, and the fact that croc is king of jobbers.

Edited by sasquatch888

@theheat said:

" I don't think Spiderman could defeat Batman,"

Spider-Man would be too much for Batman. Batman would no way defeat Spidey.

what makes you think that??? spidey has had his ass handed to him on too many occasions to remember.. meanwhile dc comics characters piss in their pants at the mere mention of Batman. Batman is leading the justice league ...spidey is an avenger on probation because he got his mind swiped by doc ock . Batman has a fail safe operating system in his brain he used in batman R.I.P just for mind games like that .. BATMAN IS PREPPED FOR ALL OPPONENTS he's one of the hardest heroes to defeat ...

Posted by k4tzm4n

@rustyroy said:

@rd2race: Kraven can never physically outclass Bane with Venom.

He outclassed pre-new 52 Bane on venom. Their strength was similar but Kraven was still faster and more durable. New 52 Bane is a whole different story, though.

Edited by Omnicrono

Good article, K4.

I don't feel like I know enough about Kraven to really form an accurate assessment of this battle on my own, but I think your analysis laid things out very well for guys like me. The "fanboy" in me wants to say Batman would be the one to take the edge in a match this close, but I shall try to resist. Haha! ;)

I will say that it seems like one of the bigger advantages listed for Kraven could very easily go either way for either fighter. I'm talking about the poisons/potions thing, of course. As has already been said, we know from the RIP arc that Batman is fairly immune to most poisons (in his world) and probably carries antidotes in his belt for the ones to which he's least resistant. On top of that, his armor is also going to provide him a modicum of protection from Kraven's attacks. As you've said, Kraven's poisons are custom-made, and they've been shown quite effective on most occasions (against which opponents?), but how much they would really affect Batman's resistances is up in the air. I'm just not sure. It's a 50/50 crap-shoot, honestly. At least, there wasn't enough data given here that would allow me to confidently back one over the other (Kraven's poisons or Batman's resistance).

Anyhoo...

Another good article! Cheers!

(EDITED 7-3)

Edited by frogdog

@rustyroy said:

@rd2race: Kraven can never physically outclass Bane with Venom.

What proof do you have?

Posted by Moonman78

Batman, kraven is slightly super human, but so is bane, batman can outskill and out smart him eventually

Posted by Azura_Thena

Batman, kraven is slightly super human, but so is bane, batman can outskill and out smart him eventually

How?

Posted by frogdog

Batman, kraven is slightly super human, but so is bane, batman can outskill and out smart him eventually

Kraven survived a punch from the Hulk, that proves he's super-human. Not to mention that Deathstroke himself is super-human and beaten batman many times.

Posted by Pokeysteve

When you say "drop" Lady Shiva, do you mean hit her or actually beat her? I don't remember him ever beating her outside of Public Enemies.

Posted by New_World_Order

Yes Kraven for the win.

Posted by Chaos Burn

originally thought Batman's intellect would over power the jungle man with only the hunt on his mind, but Kraven's hunting obsession actually is a boon - the detective becomes the hunted

Edited by MadeinBangladesh

BATMAN Dammit!!!!

Edited by Shallbecomeabattoo

You have got to be kidding me!!! Batman takes Kraven down! Boosted physicals is something Bruce deals with in every second villain he fights, be it Bane on Venom, Killer Croc, Clayface or any JL bad guy. Thats not a problem for Bruce. He even beat Bane on Venom a few times, and Bane is superior to Kraven in every respect.

And don't give me that "only when he is prepared he would take Kraven" crap. When he would only beat physical superior foes with prep, he would've been dead a long time ago.

I'm sorry, but this is the first outcome on this feature thats complete crap in my eyes. Kraven... don't make me laugh. Still the best feature on the site, next to the podcasts, even if that hurt my fanboy feelings. ;-)

Edited by k4tzm4n

@shallbecomeabattoo:

He even beat Bane on Venom a few times, and Bane is superior to Kraven in every respect.

That isn't true. First and foremost, pre-52 Batman never fought Bane while he was on venom except for the infamous breaking of the bat moment. In all of their other fights, Bane was off venom. And in the New 52, Bane (on venom) humiliated Batman and would have been killed if Flash didn't step in.

Also, Kraven is more durable and faster than pre-52 Bane on venom. New 52 Bane's stats have yet to be truly fleshed out.

And don't give me that "only when he is prepared he would take Kraven" crap.

Just in case that is directed at me: never said that. In fact, I said it's very close and Kraven barely takes it.

And thanks.

Posted by frogdog

Bane and Killer Croc are not comparable to kraven.

Edited by Wolverine08

@frogdog said:

Bane and Killer Croc are not comparable to kraven.

This. Kraven outclasses both Bane and Killer Croc in strength.

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Posted by HushoftheWind

so Batman can beat Bane, but can't beat Kraven, that makes no sense.