Comic Vine News

367 Comments

Does Batman always win? Batman vs Wolverine

What would happen if The Dark Knight went toe-to-toe with James Howlett?


Art by JayC79
Art by JayC79

Welcome to the second edition of "Does Batman Always win?" The debut of this segment placed The Caped Crusader against Captain America. I called it a stalemate, but Comic Vine's Editor-in-Chief, Tony Guerrero, gave Captain America the nod. Now The Dark Knight comes face to face with one of Marvel's most famous and violent characters. Can Batman overcome the X-Man's advantages... or will a set of adamantium claws turn him into sushi?

Let's be clear, the segment's title is simply a joke playing off of the commonly used phrase "Batman always wins because he's Batman!" Batman doesn't always win. However, Batman has the resources and tactical mind to often overcome odds that a regular human hero usually wouldn't be able to. While he technically has no powers, he brings a unique skill set to the table that can often allow him to compete well above his weight class. So, do I think he has what it takes to bring down the adamantium laced A-lister from Marvel? Read on to find out.

Place your bets!
Place your bets!

These fights will always take place in a neutral setting -- an unpopulated city block at night. They'll begin visible at opposite ends of the street and they're both in character. This is speculating on who would take a majority of wins if this scenario took place 10 times.

Batman's Advantages

In my opinion, Bruce Wayne is bringing 3 key advantages to this battle: a consistent display of superior skill, a brilliant and resourceful tactical mind, and a wide variety of offensive equipment. This of course isn't saying Logan is inadequate in these areas, but I do believe it's safe to say Bruce has the advantage in each one. While Wolverine is a master of countless forms of combat, they are in character, and that means he's not going to fully utilize his technique in every encounter.

No one beats him in ping pong.
No one beats him in ping pong.

After years of studying, Bruce Wayne is now a master of 127 forms of combat. He knows every pressure point, he can recognize the style his enemies are using and counter appropriately, and, it goes without saying that this knowledge makes him absurdly effective in close combat. Considering Wolverine is tossing around 6 claws that can tear Bruce apart, countering is absolutely critical. One clean hit from Logan can turn the tide here and, luckily for The Dark Knight, he's got the talent to compete with Wolverine in close proximity.

All of that skill would be useless without Batman's brain, though. Bruce's intellect is disputably his greatest asset. This has allowed him to overcome even the likes of Darkseid. His raw intelligence makes him incredibly resourceful in combat, even if it's just a random encounter (such as this one). He can study his opponents and detect potential weaknesses, then deploy the appropriate methods (thanks to a gazillion devices) to capitalize on said weakness. Even if the method for victory isn't packed comfortably into his belt, it's by no means above Batman to use the environment to his advantage.

A magnet: Wolverine's kryptonite.
A magnet: Wolverine's kryptonite.

Then there's the variety of weaponry Bruce has in his inventory. You name it, he's likely got it (okay, maybe not the Ultimate Nullifier or Infinity Gauntlet). When it's clear blunt force isn't working against his opponent (and that'll likely be a relatively quick realization against Wolverine), he has an abundant amount of equipment to deploy, including but not limited to sonics (used against Killer Croc in 'Hush'), magnets (used in Scott Snyder's BATMAN), explosives ('Under the Red Hood'), electricity (vs Bane in THE DARK KNIGHT) and much, much more. Once it's transparent his feet and fists won't do much against Wolverine, he'll begin to test these other options. It's unlikely any would defeat Logan right away, but many have the potential to faze him at the very least. The sooner Batman realizes he needs to use a magnet, the better. Seeing as he's a gifted detective and his cowl has different vision modes, it's certainly not a far-fetched possibility.

Wolverine's Advantages

A face only a mother could love.
A face only a mother could love.

I firmly believe Wolverine has 3 critical advantages over Batman: his healing factor and durability, his adamantium claws and his enhanced level physicals. While Bruce brings an often unparalleled level of skill, resources and intellect to the table, it might not be enough to overcome Wolverine's advantages in a random encounter.

First and foremost, keeping Wolverine down for the count is a very difficult obstacle. Sure, he has low end showings like getting his lights quickly knocked out by Mr. X or even the infamous Daredevil throat chop (Garth Ennis is notorious for humiliating Logan), but for every low end feat, there's at least two on the opposite end of the spectrum (taking hits from Hulk and going unfazed by bullets, for example). Batman's more consistent display of superior skill means he'll likely get his licks in, but these really won't suffice. They'll annoy Wolverine, but the combination of his adamantium lacing and healing factor means they won't do much -- not even the nerve strikes (Lord Shingen had to poison Logan for them to impact him).

Bruce has plenty of recent experience against enemies with healing factors (Talons), however, the resurrected assassins didn't have the luxury of a virtually unbreakable metal laced around their bones. Additionally, we've seen a wide variety of Batman's equipment tested against the X-Man. He's withstood electric attacks, has been able to hold up to the Hulk's thunderclap, and navigated through smoke and gas. Long story short, incapacitating or knocking out a well written Howlett is often a herculean feat. Batman has the means to give Wolverine one hell of a fight, but making him count sheep will require a relentless effort.

SHZANG!
SHZANG!

Logan's a dude that suffers a rather inconsistent display of skill. He's consistently ranked a 7 out of 7 in handbooks for fighting ability, yet it's far too often we see the version of Wolverine that doesn't mind letting his healing factor get to work simply because he knows he can take it. Because of this, I believe it's fair to assume he won't always showcase his complete technical knowledge while in character. Many fights he'll prove far more than adequate in hand-to-hand (he's gotten the better of Captain America at least twice and easily detected flaws in Silver Samurai's form), but it's safe to say in some of the encounters he'll resort to letting his healing factor, durability, enhanced physicals and adamantium laced pointy claws of death do all of the work. Then there's his enhanced senses. The Caped Crusader is a master of stealth, but few have been able to get the jump on Logan thanks to his beyond human nose and ears. Not even a thick layer of smoke has prevented him from taking down his targets. Furthermore Wolverine is physically superior to Bruce Wayne. He's had the strength to briefly hold up an entire elevator by a cable, swung a tree at the Hulk and moves too fast for the human eye to follow. Just like Batman, Wolverine has had no issue vanishing right in from of his opponents.

Finally, not even Bruce's costume will hold up to Logan's six adamantium claws. As we saw in 'Court of Owls,' Batman has the determination and pain tolerance to take a stab or two and keep going, but one clean connect will absolutely take a toll on Wayne's endurance. The same definitely can't be said when Batman strikes Wolverine.

The Verdict

I'd say Wolverine wins. Batman has the skill, tactics and resources to give Wolverine an extremely tough time, but keeping Wolverine down in a random encounter doesn't seem likely to happen for a majority. Batman doesn't immediately know he needs to go all out against his enemy and not having that knowledge off the bat will benefit Wolverine. Otherwise, Batman would know to rely first and foremost on his more dire measures packed away in his belt.

Could he earn some wins in this scenario? Absolutely. But for the most part, I think the following will be the end result for most matches after Wolverine's claws deliver something fierce.

RIP Batman. Dick Grayson, get back in the cowl!
RIP Batman. Dick Grayson, get back in the cowl!

And in the few times out of 10 that Bruce does take down Wolverine, odds are he makes it out looking like this.

Robin, put some pants on.
Robin, put some pants on.

I think if Wolverine was stripped of his adamantium it could prove to be a closer match (the reason he has adamantium here is because this segment will always use standard versions). Yes, removing the unique metal boosts his healing factor and overall speed, but it makes his durability take a drop and that's something which would greatly benefit Batman.

But enough of my gibberish, who do you think wins and why? Remember, this is just talking about two fictional characters, so keep it friendly!

Gregg Katzman is a writer for Comic Vine & IGN Entertainment. Feel free to send him match suggestions for 'Does Batman Always Win?' on Twitter.

367 Comments

Avatar image for super_soldierxii
Super_SoldierXII

7664

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Super_SoldierXII

@Naamah_Obyzouth said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Omega-Man said:

@Super_SoldierXII:

Out of Character? he did things like that with others. Amazo for one and drug crazed lunatics (He used the batmobile to run them down in the LODK series) and even Nobody in Batman and Robin when he used the Batwing on him. It's not out of character at all. Also Batman is the world's greatest Detective don't you think he'd notice how affective Wolverine's claws are? and they are made of metal? Batman used his magnet gadget on low level enforcers in a subway before and they prove less of a threat than Wolverine. Plus he'd work out on the spot how to beat/stop Wolverine, How? Theatricality and Deception. Make Wolverine be too distracted by the Batplane or Batmobile firing on him while he hatches a few other options. Batman DOES THIS in comics.

Freeze bombs and Freeze batarangs he could encase him in ice. Use his sound weapon which he has done to both people with super hearing (Superman) and without before against meta humans who he hadn't faced before. Batman isn't going to let Wolverine stab him he'd keep him at a distance even if Batman has to move out of the first place they started fighting to another part of the city or wherever they are fighting. It's called Tactics something Wolverine Lacks or rather doesn't use, if you can't beat someone in a certain place you go to higher ground and use a place to your advantage.

Alot of people tend to forget batman's standard equipment, they think he just carries Batarangs and his grappling hook which isn't true. Or how batman can on the spot improvise and buy himself time to plan a few strategies.

So really you haven't proved anything to change my mind that Wolverine takes it.

You're completely missing the point. Batman has no idea who Wolverine is and what he can take. It is completely out of character for Batman to use lethal force under such circumstances. It is, however, very much in character for Bruce to come in swinging hand to hand. And he would need lethal force right at the get go to stand a chance. Nothing you've said addresses this at all whatsoever.

Secondly, Batman's used his 'super' magnet all but once. And he had purposefully brought it with him as he knew BEFOREHAND that he was heading out to face a gang with iron masks. It was a preplanned element. Here he has no prep or foreknowledge of his opponent, and there is NOTHING to suggest he carries said magnet on him as standard gear as he's only used it once and, to reiterate, this with prep. Not to even mention the environment he'd need to make said 'magnet' effective. Say he attaches it to a car, the metal frame of a building, a streetlamp or whatever you can fancy in a cityscape, Wolverine could easily and immediately carve his way loose. It's a fail plan regardless.

Thirdly, and once again, he has NO PREP! Which is to say, the batmobile and / or batplane would arrive too late if even. Bruce would be far too busy fighting for his life. You're really reaching here. You're essentially saying "Batman always wins because PLOT will swoop in and save the day!!". Rubbish.

Next, sonics don't drop Wolverine if that's what you're suggesting. His pain tolerance is second to none. Hulk's thunderclaps have busted his eardrums and caused him irrevocable pain and he shrugged it off. A dude that gets burned alive and keeps fighting, has his guts in his hands and keeps fighting, has his heart displaced in his chest and keeps fighting, is not going down to sonics (plus, he's resisted them before).

And Batman will keep his distance and use freeze batarangs and pellets just like he did with, say, Deathstroke right? It's not his opening volley. He might fall back on these if he knew beforehand what he's facing, he does not here. That's what you fail to understand. If he knew his adversary, if he had prep, I'd say sure, what the heck. This is a random fight.

Batman goes down hard. Stop wanking.

All I heard was blah, blah, blah. Nothing you just said made any sense, and you are underselling Bruce's ability to quickly process information, and then formulate a plan on the spot. He uses time tested methods, that have worked on other targets in his past. Unless Wolverine slowly walks up to Bruce smiling, and then swings his claws at him without warning... It would not go down the way you all seem to be suggesting. Bruce has a sharp eye, and an even quicker wit. I think anyone who doesn't think they could tell there is something different about Logan just by looking at the guy, if full of it.

The only way Bruce would go down in this fight more times then James IMHO, is if he was bloodlusted. Wolverine is not going to come at Bruce with any plan in mind either, and that is going to work hard against him... The way it would most likely start is they would square off, circle one another like sharks, that is where this fight would start. Unless Wolverine starts slicing away at Batman with his claws like a maniac, Batman would get a good feel for Logan fairly quick. He would notice that Logan weighed way more then he should, that his claws are metal and sharp as heck, and put two and two together.

I mean if the whole point of this thread is too say... If Wolverine slices Batman's body with his claws, would he bleed and die? Then my answer to that question is yes. Now if the question is can Logan kill the Batman if he doesn't want him to, then my answer to that is no. Also the whole concept of Bruce being able to sneak up on Clark seems to be going over peoples heads as well. The man of steel has way, way, way better senses then Wolverine does. And this is a FEAT that he has consistently been shown as being able to do.

So in my opinion... It goes two ways.

1) Wolverine chops him up bad early on and wins. (Highly doubtful.)

2) Batman gets a feel for Wolverine, there is a good solid exchange, then a pursuit, Batman gets time to formulate a plan, gears up and the real battle begins. (Way more likely.) Now I still think Logan can win here even, but his chances go way down.

I mean also there is the fact that they are in their normal mindset, and the way Batman fights would not cause Logan to rage... The whole fact that Batman fights like a pro, would catch Logan's interest and he would want to see what Bruce has to offer. He has shown this time, and time again. Against people like: Mr. X, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Task Master, ect.

Hell of a lengthy response for someone who only heard "blah blah blah".

You wasted your efforts I'm afraid though, as I didn't read anything you wrote after your initial arrogant opening line. You have irrational bat fan written all over you. Word of advice, don't open a discussion in such a manner in the future if you actually want your input justly read and considered.

Rgrds.

Avatar image for super_soldierxii
Super_SoldierXII

7664

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Super_SoldierXII

@Omega-Man said:

@Super_SoldierXII:

Yes he hasn't got prep, I never said he had prep time. I mearly stated Batman actually improvises and plans on the spot.

He won't have the chance. This is a martial fight pure and simple and in such a confrontation, Bruce loses. 4 or 5 blows / exchanges is more than it'll take. I mean, how many punches to the face do you see Batman soaking with twelve inch long adamantium laced claws? Logan's punched Steve (multiple times), Parker (multiple times), Remy, Wade, Caliban (KO'd), Shatterstar (KO'd), Psylocke ... the list goes on ... he's punched them all in the face in fewer exchanges, but with claws retracted so as not to kill (driven by plot no doubt). Batman, barring PIS / WIS, will get likewise nailed, only Wolverine has no reason to retract his claws when doing so.

How is wolverine going to get to him after they trade about 4 or 5 blows

Simple, Batman dies in one punch to the face claws out. Read above.

hell Batman gets out of Riddler's death traps without knowing what he's going into before hand ((Thats WITHOUT PREP time))

So? How the heck does this relate to the topic at hand? Two completely different scenarios. Pointless comment.

but Batman doesn't have to inflict damage if he parks the Batmobile on top of him or blows a wall on top of him and he's trapped under 2 to 3 tons worth of rubble or even the batmobile on top of him

This Batmobile crap is ridiculous. Burying Wolverine under tons of rubble is likewise the fan in you really, really reaching. Here's how you guys sound; "sure, all Wolverine has to do is punch Bruce claws out but once to win, acknowledged, but Batman can by some miracle maneuver, lure Logan into a detonating building (cuz Batman blows buildings up on folks), or have Logan stand there with his thumb up his arse while Bruce controls the Batmobile remotely to nail Logan and pin him down ... "

We're to buy into so called "strategies" like this to give Bruce a majority win over a random encounter with Wolverine over the far more likely scenario wherein one punch to face and Logan wins. You guys are trying to sell us on hail Mary plot devices to see Batman win here. I'm sure writers can devise many ways to see Bruce win ... against Superman, the Flash and so certainly against Wolverine. And I'm equally sure we can all obligingly suspend our intelligence while reading said plot devices, however, it doesn't make it the more likely scenario in a random encounter.

You see, I don't have to stretch to think up ways Logan can pull a win here. He punches Batman in the face. The end.

Avatar image for dmann
Dmann

1

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Dmann

@ARMIV2: All of you Marvel fans are forgetting the one basic fact that you question: "Batman ALWAYS wins!" At least when it comes down to a fight. Do you think Wolverine could defeat someone like Amazo? Having the powers of the entire Justice League at his command? Batman did in 'Legends of the Dark Knight' #1("All of the Above"). Batman doesn't just fight someone, he gets inside their head. He makes them unbalanced through fear, anger, intimidation whatever will work. He threw Amazo into a rage and he's a robot! What do you think he could do to a hothead like Logan? And how much preparation did Batman have in that story? ZERO. He was alone and ambushed on the JLA satellite. What did he do? He adapted to his surroundings and the situation he was in. Would it be a close match? Sure. Would Batman find a way to win through sheer will and determination? Absolutely.

Avatar image for bozotheclown44
bozotheclown44

19

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

Edited By bozotheclown44

A batman has dodged his fair share of bullets B he can out think wolverine and C batman has defeated much greater foes then wolverine

Avatar image for armiv2
ARMIV2

10074

Forum Posts

15

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By ARMIV2

@Dmann said:

@ARMIV2: All of you Marvel fans are forgetting the one basic fact that you question: "Batman ALWAYS wins!" At least when it comes down to a fight. Do you think Wolverine could defeat someone like Amazo? Having the powers of the entire Justice League at his command? Batman did in 'Legends of the Dark Knight' #1("All of the Above"). Batman doesn't just fight someone, he gets inside their head. He makes them unbalanced through fear, anger, intimidation whatever will work. He threw Amazo into a rage and he's a robot! What do you think he could do to a hothead like Logan? And how much preparation did Batman have in that story? ZERO. He was alone and ambushed on the JLA satellite. What did he do? He adapted to his surroundings and the situation he was in. Would it be a close match? Sure. Would Batman find a way to win through sheer will and determination? Absolutely.

Right, right, sure...

Avatar image for dernman
dernman

35969

Forum Posts

10092

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 9

Edited By dernman

There is no denying that Batman goes into this the underdog.

Avatar image for mr_wayne69
Mr_Wayne69

195

Forum Posts

32

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 21

Edited By Mr_Wayne69

I'm gonna break this down into 3 categories of victories for or against either party:

  1. Batman vs. Wolverine with no prep time- Wolverine wins. They're from 2 different universes, we can assume Bruce knows nothing about Logan (unless you wanna throw in some 'shark jump' writing i.e. "Batman has tech that scans other universes and he's studied Wolverine".... uh, no!). Wolverine's (over 100 years) experience, mutant ferocity, and killing machine design, make him the clear winner. That being said, Batman is smart enough to 'run, run... fight another day!' if Wolverine didn't kill him first. In a rematch, I would almost certainly give the victory to Batman. Which brings me to...
  2. Batman (w/ prep time) vs. Wolverine- Batman wins. Logic for (rematch) victory: same reasons that gave Wolverine his advantages would prove to be his disadvantages. His mutant ferocity (famously known as 'berserker barrage') would make him insanely sloppy to the brilliance that is Batman, causing that 100 years exp. (for all you RPG gamers... high five) to go flying out the window, as they say, which would leave the weapons that make him a killing machine (his adamantium skeleton and claws) exposed to the Bat-tech-magnetic weaponry at Batman's disposal, that I'm sure he'd have during the (next) match. Knowing how obsessive Bruce is, I wouldn't doubt that during this encounter he would use some sort of chemical Bat-weapon to make Wolverines healing factor go into overdrive as a distraction, heading towards the magnetic victory.
  3. The New 52 Batman vs. Wolverine- Wolverine wins. Why? I'm a huge Batman fan and being so I'm obligated as a fan to be honest about the character that I like (something unheard of). New 52 Batman ain't never faced anything like Wolverine. The closest might be that Court of Owls story line so far, even then Wolverine is a totally different animal (no pun intended).

Either way you look at it, it's difficult to conceive a plausible straight up victory for Batman against Wolverine. They've both grown into characters designed to win in their respective playing fields.

  • One is designed to brilliantly and effectively neutralize and sustain a victory with almost no casualties (especially any by his hands).
  • The other is the "best there is at what he does" and what he does is kill. He is a machine (almost literally thanks to the adamantium) designed to wipe out massive amounts of people, with almost unmatched efficiency. Even those of superhuman levels (he took on the Hulk people... and lived to brag about it, bub!).

As a Batman fan I wanna say "Batman wins... fatality!" BUT... I keep seeing "Snikt!" and sliced up batarangs lying in puddles of blood play out in my head...

Avatar image for walker696
Walker696

1014

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Walker696

God I'm so tired of hearing people say this person could win with prep......lets be real if a normal person was given enough time they could take on Superman(Lex Luthor and Batman are examples). If you know what you are dealing with and how to deal with it then you should win a fight going into it. I can beat Brock lesnar in a street fight if I have prep time. The real judge of a fight is a straight up fight with no prep and I'm sorry if you take prep from a lot of these smart characters they wouldn't last long in fights against high tier characters. With all that said yea James brings this one home.

Avatar image for mr_wayne69
Mr_Wayne69

195

Forum Posts

32

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 21

Edited By Mr_Wayne69

@Walker696: Not necessarily. Prep can be defined in many different ways. Prep can simply mean, you vs. John Doe and you know that John Doe loves using Jujitsu, so you avoid anything having to do with that in your encounter. Same thing with a team of heroes like X-Men taking on Juggernaut. They know that removing the helmet gives them the edge so the telepaths can do their thing. There's nothing wrong with preparation. It's something that should always be considered before a fight. Any real fighter knows that.

Avatar image for neoheracles
neoheracles

1

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By neoheracles

Batman Wins! Because is like Chuck Norris in the world of comics.

Avatar image for walker696
Walker696

1014

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Walker696

@Mr_Wayne69: My issue isn't with the idea of prep its that some comic readers use it as all mighty device for their character to win(most cases this applies to Batman). I have nothing against Bats but I just get tired of people saying he would win with prep. I will give credit where credit is due he is a high level character for not having powers, not just because of his gadgets but also his tactics. But as you put any real fighter knows that prep is important but also being able to win when caught off guard is important too. You can practice for a whole year for a fight but all that practice and prep goes out the window once you get hit. Tony can design an armor for a certain opponent but what if the armor fails, Supes can plan to out muscle an opponent but what happens when that opponent has gotten stronger then him.........even with knowledge of who you're fight it doesn't determine you'll win because you have time to prepare.

Avatar image for sithfrog
sithfrog

977

Forum Posts

131

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 12

User Lists: 57

Edited By sithfrog

@Naamah_Obyzouth said:

@sithfrog said:

@Big_Nasty said:

Only Fight Batman every truly lost to was Bane And Joel Schumacher.

Touche!

Wolvie isn't quite the beserker he used to be. I think he stalks Bats, sniffs him out and takes him on when he's Bruce. Skills would still be there, but no gadgets to use (or at least less available). Wovlie ftw! If a straight-up one on one with no prep or stalking, it would be close but I think Logan's taken on heavier hitters and made it out. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Marvel guy with much love for the Batman, but I think this one goes to the Canadian.

This could be the dumbest thing I have ever read in a long while. You see Wolverine *sniffing* Bruce out, and hunting him like he were a deer or something. That is completely asinine. Bruce would know, that Logan was stalking him. Short hairy guy *sniffing* actually *sniffing* the air and stalking like a wild predator... And something tells you that Bruce Wayne easily one of the most observant individuals in all of comicdom somehow doesn't notice? Bruce would notice, and he would take Logan on a wild goose-chase. The fact that you think Wolverine could out hunt Batman is insane. If Batman took the fight to the rooftops, Wolverine would never be able to keep up with him. Batman would outclass him in every way shape in form in terms of the pursuit... Honestly have any of you people even ever read a Batman comic. Seen him in action when being chased by people whom know how to scale buildings as good as he can, or in some cases even better then he. And yet Bruce still finds ways to trip them up.

This whole situation is built so that Wolverine has the advantage and I think that speaks volumes about why this fight would not go down like some of the others on here have stated. Look at the Villains whom have pursued Bruce and come up short. Manbat is a prime example. Manbat has a hard time out foxing Bruce and he is a large Bat creature, that has senses at least on par with Wolverine.

Wow...just stating an opinion. You are entitled to yours, just like everyone else is entitled to theirs.

Sorry to have provided you with "the dumbest thing" you had read in a while. Just about the fact that Logan has sniffed out the identities of others before. And probably a bit more subtly than Man-Bat.

Avatar image for naamah_obyzouth
Naamah_Obyzouth

7471

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 10

Edited By Naamah_Obyzouth

@sithfrog: No I am sorry I was in a bad place when I wrote that. But I still believe that James would not be able to stalk Bruce without him noticing,

Avatar image for mr_wayne69
Mr_Wayne69

195

Forum Posts

32

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 21

Edited By Mr_Wayne69

@Walker696: You've made points that I take into consideration and fully agree with. However, your issue with fans using 'prep time' as an 'excuse', so to speak, for their favorite characters, this one being Batman, is an issue that you'll just have to accept, ignore, or live with because that is one of the key elements of Batman. Preparation. It always has been from day one. When Bruce Wayne lost his parents as a child he almost instantly began to think of a way to stop tragedies like that from occuring. He travels the globe in preparation for his mission, his ultimate goal. He doesn't prepare like a normal man, he goes beyond. Batman's character has become, by design, the most prepared man in the room. He's supposed to be viewed as the man who's (almost) 'unbeatable' once he's prepared for the situation (especially against non-enhanced or non-superpowered beings). That's why every character around him is shocked on the rare occasion he is defeated. Even in an unprepared, unpredictable, surprise encounter, his skill level is so high, so reliable, so without peer, that he's still prepared. Preperation is Batman and Batman is preperation. This is why fans of Batman act the way they do. Not all of them can properly articulate why they rally behind the Bat the way they do, but there's a reason behind the 'madness'. If that somehow bothers you, then hey, there's nothing that can be done about it. He's Batman. "The most dangerous man on Earth." -Superman

Avatar image for walker696
Walker696

1014

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Walker696

Trust man I have no beef with the bats I respect him just as much as I do Cap. I was just venting in the Batman prep thing because I feel like he's way more then just a good planner, I just fans to come up with a different reason for him winning. I'm leaving this thread before I start something lol

Avatar image for aldragon17
ALdragon17

130

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By ALdragon17

OMG, what the.... Really, Really... Predator was bloodlusting, "They see in infrared and are much bigger and stronger than humans at about seven feet tall. Some known weapons include a shoulder mounted laser cannon known as a Plasma Caster, numerous wrist gauntlets, a retractable spearblade/staff known as a Combi-Staff or Combi-Stick, throwing disks that can cut through almost anything called Smartdiscs, and nets of thin mesh that can cut through the trapped foe. They have beyond human intelligence levels. Their suits have a chameleon power that allows them to turn nearly invisible, showing only a faint outline. These suit are the holding place for all there weapons as well as the bomb and survival gear kits. They are unsurpassed as hunters and evidence suggest they hunt many kinds of giant alien monsters and possibly hunted dinosaurs."

People who are with Logan are trolling... Do you see the bold areas. Batman has ghosted Superman, who is at god levels butt heads. I've seen Wolverine gone through hell, but Batman is on another level. Batman's well power is too great.

Next issue let put some amour on

Oh, I forget some "using a specially-designed powered sonar exoskeleton suit to increase his strength and compensate for his recovering blindness and the Predator's stealth technology." Wikipedia

Avatar image for aldragon17
ALdragon17

130

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By ALdragon17

Oh, I forget one thing, Frank Castle... The Punisher has defeated Wolverine and Batman has defeated The Punisher so there fore. Batman wins KO

Avatar image for loganchild
loganchild

43

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By loganchild

@ALdragon17: THA PUNISHER HA! WE TALKING TO THA DEATH LOGAN WOULD HUNT BRUCE NO REST NO GADGETS THA TALONS SHOWED BRUCE HAS A BAD TIME AGAINST KNIVES AND LOGAN HAS THA SHARPEST KNIVES THERE IS, HE HAS FACED AN ARMY OF HAND NINJAS AND THA ENTIRE MARVEL UNIVERSE BATS MY BOY NO DOUBT BUT ONE GOOD SLICE AND ITS CURTAINS BRUCE HAS NO EXIT STRATEGY FOR KILLING LOGAN AND FOR ALL U BAT MAGIC MAGNET FANS MAGNETO IS THA MASTER OF MAGNATISM AND HE STILL GETS SLICED HULK HAS PUNCHED LOGAN AND STILL GET SLICED BRUCE CAN'T TAKE THA HULKS MIDDLE FINGER LET ALONE PUNCH SO FOR BRUCE ITS CURTAINS HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THOSE CLAWS POPPED AND THE ROOM GOES QUIET AND THE AIR SMELL OF SOMEONE S#ITING THEMSEVLES

Avatar image for dr_jam_onit2
DR_JAM_ONIT2

28

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By DR_JAM_ONIT2

Well here's one scenario of how it could go down

No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided

and no bats isn't "breaking" wolvie's arm on page 2

Avatar image for omega_man_
Omega-Man

828

Forum Posts

17

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 10

User Lists: 0

Edited By Omega-Man

@Super_SoldierXII:

Dude seriously I'm sick of having this debate with you. Your reasons are just null and void. You say it's not possible and I'm reaching that Batman doesn't park or drop a wall on Wolverine yet in the same breath you expect wolverine to just go all out claws baring not knowing who Batman is or if he is a killer or wants to kill Wolverine. Wolverine doesn't kill if he has no reason to. Wolverine hasn't killed Daredevil in comics or Spider-man in one hit or Punisher or Iron Fist or even Captain America, or Cyclops who didn't even use his Optic blast he used his fighting prowless to out maneuver Wolverine and I hate Cyclops but he still did it in an X-men comic. It's not PIS if Marvel's own heroes who have faced Logan do the same thing in random encounters. That makes zero sense what you are saying.

Let me put it down to how you are saying it.

Wolverine is just a mindless killer and kills everything and everyone even other heroes in one hit.

Read Wolverine comics once in awhile and know his character why don't you? Wolverine has NEVER killed any Marvel hero in random encounters he doesn't just walk up and randomly takes their heads off which is what you are saying. You don't know a thing about Wolverine's personality or reasons or his character.

So don't bother replying as I won't say this again. And if you do reply it's just out of spitethat you can't be wrong. And in no way shape or form am I saying Wolverine can't win I'm saying he has less options of winning than Batman does, hence forth Batman has more chance of winning than Wolverine does.

Avatar image for k4tzm4n
k4tzm4n

41857

Forum Posts

9127

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 16

User Lists: 1

Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

I didn't think it needed to be stated, but for these battles they clearly have the objective to defeat their combatant.  Since they're in character and have no immediate knowledge of one another, how far they'd go to meet that objective is certainly open for discussion... but one thing's for sure, this isn't something that would end with them talking because that would completely defeat the purpose of the feature.

Avatar image for jralmei
jralmei

3

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By jralmei

I really think Batman Wins! I think he is a better fighter and the stuff he already has in the belt could defeat Logan = diferente tupes of gases (to overload his senses), sound based devices, flash bombs, eletric bombs (remember metal is a nice conduit for electricity) and the magnet thing would probably work on logan since Magneto powers work on him.

Avatar image for hulkslayert1000
HulkSlayerT1000

1074

Forum Posts

-100

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By HulkSlayerT1000

Batman cannot beat Wolverine. This video may not be canon, but in real life this is how the fight would turn out.

Sorry Batman. I like you, your my favorite superhero, but you cannot beat Wolverine.

Avatar image for immortalone
ImmortalOne

4064

Forum Posts

262

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

Edited By ImmortalOne

Wolverine wins due to his healing factor, better stats, and adamantium skeleton.

However, I feel the need to point out that the fact is, contrary to what a lot of people are saying, even if Wolverine has more experience, that does NOT make him more skilled. Batman has shown far more skill feats than Wolverine.

Avatar image for havik86
Havik86

39

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Havik86

So is this Batman's own personal Deadliest Warriors article series lol?

Avatar image for mildor
Mildor

47

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Mildor

@HulkSlayerT1000:

This is not Batman this pathethic idea of fight is based in the shsful vatman of shistofer nolan.

Avatar image for mildor
Mildor

47

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Mildor

Wolverine can defeat Captain America and Spiderman

But cant defeat Batman

Avatar image for k4tzm4n
k4tzm4n

41857

Forum Posts

9127

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 16

User Lists: 1

Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Havik86 said:

So is this Batman's own personal Deadliest Warriors article series lol?

To some degree, yes. haha.

Avatar image for chaos_prime
Chaos Prime

11745

Forum Posts

34

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Chaos Prime

Question is would Batman beat the Characters Logans beaten in the same setting?

Batman usual has the adavantage of fighting on home soil in a city he could walk around blindfolded & not get lost.

Avatar image for sweatboy
sweatboy

936

Forum Posts

1455

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 45

User Lists: 4

Edited By sweatboy

i have an objection with Batman's "constant superior display of skill". For one, i think it's definitely possible for a person to be unimaginably strong irl, Master Oyama was one of those fitness junkie/maniacs without a life, and i have personal friends who claim to be able to tear flesh off with their bare hands, cos they have fingers of steel, and there are strikes that require exactly that. So i do believe such strength and skill might be humanly possible... but for Batman,... to complete countless degrees in chemistry, biology, forensics and shit AND to master 127 types of combat (not just know the basics but to MASTER) all in the space of a mortal life is just.... too far fetched.

And secondly, even if that's possible, Wolverine has like 40 or 60 years ahead of Batman, he's been in the military, and in ACTUAL war. There's a difference between learning and practicing in a dojo and actually practicing in a life or death situation. (apart from the League of Shadows, Batman's enemies are usually not as physically capable as he is, and the Joker scenes in Red Hood and the 2nd Nolan movie don't convince me that Joker could be tough. Batman is better than most of his villains) Wolverine's had plenty practice at life or death. And Wolverine's had re-tries. But i do agree, when you explain how just as Batman has more consistence in his display, Wolverine might have less. He does seem to be slacking after years of not being able to die. It's almost as if he's suicidal when he's smoking cigars and being an old man, but he's always on his feet, and doesn't seem to be willing to go down without a fight either.

Third, "display" isn't a fair measure of judgement in my opinion. We haven't known Wolverine in every moment of his life, (heck, even he doesn't know how much of it was real, or at least he didn't know for some time) and he may have displayed more than what we've seen. And it's not like he hasn't displayed. And just because he doesn't show off doesn't mean he's capable or holds potential. He just has control over himself, to an extent at least, till he goes "berserk" Besides, it's all up to the writers and nobody wants to see a boring comic book. Batman's action scenes are buffed up and Wolverine usually has shared time among group members or crappy writers (action wise, though ithink Clairemont had some interesting ethical subjects)

Avatar image for sweatboy
sweatboy

936

Forum Posts

1455

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 45

User Lists: 4

Edited By sweatboy

@RedheadedAtrocitus: Darkclaw was the first thing that came to my mind too

Avatar image for super_soldierxii
Super_SoldierXII

7664

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Super_SoldierXII

@Omega-Man :

Wolverine is just a mindless killer and kills everything and everyone even other heroes in one hit.

Read Wolverine comics once in awhile and know his character why don't you? Wolverine has NEVER killed any Marvel hero in random encounters he doesn't just walk up and randomly takes their heads off which is what you are saying. You don't know a thing about Wolverine's personality or reasons or his character.

Lol. Reread what I wrote chum cuz your comment here is completely baseless. And use your head a little. First, how the frag does he know Batman to be a hero? What part of a random encounter, and not knowing ones adversary do you NOT understand? Wolverine doesn't know Bruce from squat. For all he's concerned, Batman's another nameless ninja attempting to kill him. So no, none of this comes anywhere close to reflecting what I was saying. If you have reading comprehension problems, let me know now and I'll go easier on you.

(And, not that it really matters here, but I can point out many situations in which Wolverine was willing to use lethal force against another hero to stand for his principles and get the job done. Rachel Summers comes immediately to mind.)

So don't bother replying as I won't say this again. And if you do reply it's just out of spitethat you can't be wrong.

Why? Because YOU say so? Do you have any idea just how arrogant and full of yourself a comment like that denotes? You think you've proven beyond doubt a given outcome, and we're all to silently take your opinion as gospel and if we disagree it's merely out of spite because your points are just so gosh darn spectacular and irrefutable? Get off yourself bud, life doesn't work that way and your argument is crap to mediocre at best.

What you sound like is; "please don't reply because I feel threatened and good golly gosh I would so really love to have the last word and feel like a bigger man".

You've proven nothing as irrevocable fact here I'm afraid. You've merely expressed an opinion while presenting very few ways (probably the most ridiculous of the bunch - really, you couldn't have delineated better?) a writer can implement plot and utility to see an inferior protagonist defeat a superior opponent. Something Batman is admittedly notorious for ... with proper preparation and / or foreknowledge of his adversary. Barring these, plot can indeed still be implemented to "save the day" (and has) but only as the exception, not the rule.

As such, Batman does not take a majority win in a random here irregardless of you laying down the law and denying others their right to disagree. Others who have countered with extremely valid points all of which you completely disregard without rhyme or reason. Or very feeble reason at best.

So yeah, continue to reply and I'll continue to denounce with very valid reasoning you've yet to come even remotely close to addressing.

Avatar image for hulkslayert1000
HulkSlayerT1000

1074

Forum Posts

-100

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By HulkSlayerT1000

@Mildor said:

@HulkSlayerT1000:

This is not Batman this pathethic idea of fight is based in the shsful vatman of shistofer nolan.

The title of this thread says Batman so I thought so.

Avatar image for 202122
202122

1260

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By 202122

Logan

Avatar image for laflux
laflux

25242

Forum Posts

2367

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By laflux

@abeyance said:

@bozotheclown44:

Superhuman Strength

Wolverine is superhumanly strong. His strength easily ranges from beyond 800 pounds, but probably no more than 2 tons. Wolverine has swung tree trunks around like baseball bats, held an elevator with one hand, punched into steel while weakened and his blows have knocked out super durable foes like Roughhouse, Caliban and Spider-Man, although he caught the latter with a sucker punch. He has also thrown and lifted several men using on hand with minimal effort. He has also lifted Ursa Major and threw him across a room with little effort.

Superhuman Agility

Wolverine's balance and agility as well as his body coordination is beyond the capabilities of a human being at their peak (Batman) and is well into the superhuman range. Wolverine has also been seen to jump nearly 30ft in the air unassisted.

Enhanced Speed

Wolverine is able to move at low level superhuman speeds. He has attacked faster than the eye could follow and even Spider-Man briefly thought Wolverine was faster than he was in their first fight. His combat speed seems more enhanced then anything else, as he has frequently kept up with Spider-Man in combat, and blitzed people before they pull their trigger fingers.

Superhuman Reflexes

Wolverine possesses enhanced reflexes. He has dodged bullets point blank, machine gun fire and even Cyclops' optic blasts. Most impressively, he was able to tag Speed-Demon in combat before.

Superhuman Stamina

Wolverine's healing factor is able to fight off fatigue toxins allowing Wolverine to exert himself for a long period of time before fatigue builds up. He has been able to fight in Omega Red's death spores for over 17 hours- though he needed medical intervention afterwards.

This is just a small portion of Wolverine's traits which are increased with his rage. Batman would not be fast enough to evade more than three or four swipes of Wolverine's claws. Like I said before if the gadgets don't involve negating his healing factor or using his adamantium skeleton against him, Batman would lose.

It was me who edited most of that actually- but be careful when quoting wiki's, as they can contain false information.

Avatar image for wesley_gibson
WESLEY_GIBSON

7

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By WESLEY_GIBSON

BATMAN WOULD WIN RELATIVELY EASILY. ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE.

WHEN YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE EASE WITH WHICH CAP HAS DEALT WITH LOGAN IN THE PAST &IN TERMS OF COMBAT INTELLIGENCE BATS IS VERY SIMILAR IF NOT SLIGHTLY SUPERIOR TO ROGERS

ALSO THE DIVIDING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM ARE AN ADDED FACTOR LOGAN IS "BADASS" BUT NOTORIOUSLY SLOPPY &CARELESS DUE TO HIS "TRUMP CARD" ..NOW IF BATS DOESNT KNOW LOGAN HAS A HEALING FACTOR ITLL DRAW OUT FOR A WHILE.. IF HE DOES.. ITS GAME OVER PRETTYMUCH INSTANTLY FOR WEAPON X.

Avatar image for k4tzm4n
k4tzm4n

41857

Forum Posts

9127

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 16

User Lists: 1

Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

Captain America by no means has an ideal record against Wolverine. The only time he has easily taken him down was when he flanked him in 'Enemy of the State.' Aside from that, Wolverine tends to have the edge in their encounters.

Avatar image for cosmicx
cosmicx

117

Forum Posts

289

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

Edited By cosmicx

I picture Wolverine getting blown to pieces.....

Avatar image for jay_z94
jay_z94

8927

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By jay_z94

I'd say they are extremely close skill wise, with wolverine being faster, stronger and with more stamina. wolvie 10/10 if it was a random h2h encounter. With prep batman could win.

Avatar image for aldragon17
ALdragon17

130

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By ALdragon17

@loganchild: Well, going all caps doesn't help. Here's you boy:

Avatar image for adamrcorrigan
adamrcorrigan

22

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By adamrcorrigan

I would love for someone from DC to explain when Batman has found the time to master 127 forms of combat while seemingly being in at least different places at once, if the number of titles he pops up in is any gauge. Also how come people haven't put two and two together, seriously not one of the masters he has trained with (noticing his already considerable skill) has gone "hmm you seem to know a lot for a billionaire playboy".

Avatar image for christianrapper
christianrapper

8540

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By christianrapper

@roboadmiral:'

'I don't know, I think the article somewhat underestimates Batman's physical capabilities. The man's demonstrated some serious physical strength; holding up collapsing roofs, pushing a rail car, etc. He can sneak up on Superman who's senses are as good as (if not better than) Wolverine's'

that is just dumb writing. no one should be able to sneak up onor even touch superman. however, superman is constantly getting hit by guys infinitely slower tha him. i guess batman can sneak up on him because it would be boring showing supes blitzing through everyone. in short bats sneaking up on kal is just PIS.

Avatar image for kingsloth
kingsloth

254

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By kingsloth

wolverine beats bats unless prep is involved

Avatar image for thorson
THORSON

4995

Forum Posts

2

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 1

Edited By THORSON

yes because batman is for whiny boyz. and whiny boyz need batman to win all the time.

but when superman wins all the time, its called "being boring".

Avatar image for deactivated-62ebbfeacd7a7
deactivated-62ebbfeacd7a7

64

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

batman would win cause he has prepared for encounters with every superhero/villian and due to his wealth would probably posses the other muramasa sword

Avatar image for regal_rumble_man
Regal_Rumble_Man

885

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@thorson said:

yes because batman is for whiny boyz. and whiny boyz need batman to win all the time.

but when superman wins all the time, its called "being boring".

Superman winning is called 'common sense'

Batman winning is called 'DC bending over to make sales revenue'

Avatar image for k4tzm4n
k4tzm4n

41857

Forum Posts

9127

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 16

User Lists: 1

k4tzm4n  Moderator

@adamjh95 said:

batman would win cause he has prepared for encounters with every superhero/villian and due to his wealth would probably posses the other muramasa sword

How does Batman know about a character in a completely different universe and have a weapon from said universe... in a random encounter? ;)

Oh yay, people again complaining about the title of the thread instead of the actual subject.

Avatar image for deactivated-62ebbfeacd7a7
deactivated-62ebbfeacd7a7

64

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@k4tzm4n: If two charecters from different universes can fight therby joining the universes then he will be able to obtain the sword and know about wolverine

Avatar image for k4tzm4n
k4tzm4n

41857

Forum Posts

9127

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 16

User Lists: 1

k4tzm4n  Moderator

@adamjh95:No, Batman doesn't get to strut around the Marvel U before this fight. It's literally they're both thrown into a fight in a neutral setting. It's literally a random encounter.

Avatar image for lone_wolf_and_cub
Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

9237

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

<p>Man the Bat Fan Induced Stupidity in this thread is hilarious. Wolvie stomps the $#!t out of Bats.</p>