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Does Batman Always Win? Batman vs. Daredevil

The Man Without Fear takes on The Caped Crusader! Gregg speaks his mind on who would be left standing if these two iconic heroes duked it out.

Place your bets because it's time for the hero from Hell's Kitchen to throwdown with Gotham City's protector. We all know Bruce Wayne's resources and brilliant mind makes him a more than formidable character when throwing down against a character he knows, but what if he bumps into someone he has no knowledge of and what if he isn't in Gotham to utilize his resources? That's exactly the point of this monthly segment -- to analyze how The Dark Knight would fare in a random encounter against a character from a different universe. This month, we're having Batman bump into the Man Without Fear: Daredevil.

To make sure the segment is neutral, the matches will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting at night (NOT Gotham). They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think will take the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times with these settings. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all Pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).

Will Daredevil's agility and reflexes lead him to victory... or will Batman take the win? Read on to find out what I think!

Fighting Skill

Both of these characters have the skill to humiliate a staggering amount of humans in real life. That said, one clearly has more knowledge than the other. Daredevil underwent intense training and has a unique style which draws from boxing, ninjitsu, judo and much more. It's an incredibly effective method, allowing him to hang with (to some degree) talented characters such as Iron Fist, Punisher, Captain America and Taskmaster. Additionally, he has an advanced knowledge on pressure points. This precise set of attacks has reduced Hammerhead to tears, and allowed him to take down powerhouses like Absorbing Man and Mr. Hyde. He might not be a master of every style, but decades of comics with his encounters have proven that his mesh of various styles absolutely works.

While Daredevil has gone toe-to-toe with some of the best Marvel has to offer, I personally do not believe he has what it takes to win a firm majority over some of the more fordmiable characters listed above. In this case, Daredevil is now going against one of the best from the DC universe. Now, Batman clearly isn't the best in hand-to-hand in his world, but the man is a master of 127 different forms and, just like Daredevil, has decades of encounters proving why he's one of the best. It's fair to say Batman knows pretty much everything Murdock does and then some. Batman has more knowledge in this regard, and while both have hugely impressive feats (Matt giving Danny a good fight, Bruce hanging with Lady Shiva), I'm giving Wayne the edge in this regard due to a wealthier amount of knowledge and moves at his disposal. That said, it's by no means a landslide in this regard -- not at all, in fact. I firmly believe Matt absolutely has what it takes to give Bruce an excellent hand-to-hand encounter, just not take the victory most of the time.

Edge: Batman

Equipment/Powers

This boils down to Batman's gear versus Daredevil's radar. As always discussed in this segment, Batman's gear is a ginormous factor. While smoke pellets and batarangs would prove ineffective here, just about everything else can be a game changer if it connects. Electric attacks, cyro pellets, gas... all of these can hinder Murdock and leave him open for a solid strike to the noggin. Although, what could spell particularly big trouble for Marvel's hero is if Batman decides to utilize a sonic device. As you likely know, that's a key weakness for Murdock and using that could drop Matt's defense and then it's game over, man! Game over!

Yes, Batman's cowl and belt is packing tons of tech, but Daredevil's radar is a key factor as well. Not only will it allow him to see through smoke or dance around batarangs with ease, it'll let him keep track of the Dark Knight -- and that's huge if Wayne tries to focus on stealth. As for why Murdock can evade batarangs with ease, it's because his radar has enhanced his senses and the guy has become a regular bullet timer. Not only can he dance around gunfire, he's also swatted away bullets on numerous occasions. His superb agility and reflexes compliment his fighting style very well, making him a tough combatant for almost any street leveler. However, the variety at Batman's disposal is something that cannot be overlooked, especially when one option can almost immediately shutdown the match.

Edge: Batman

Mentality

Look, I think we can be blunt with this one. Matt's certainly an intelligent dude and he's definitely done some out of the box tactics with his enemies (distracting Bullseye with a decoy in DD #181, for example), but he's simply not Bruce's equal when it comes to being a tactician or raw intellect. Batman's often considered the world's greatest detective for a reason, folks.

While I don't acknowledge most crossovers as canon (unless otherwise stated, of course), it is worth noting that after some observation, Batman was able to detect that Daredevil's other senses are heightened base on subtle head movements and his flaring nostrils. Now, I'm not saying that'll happen every time or even most of the time, but in the event the Detective can find that out, it's safe to say he'll test the theory out with a sonic to end their little bout. Both are absolutely smart fighters, but I can say without any reservation that Batman takes it here.

Edge: Batman

Physicals

People tend to underrate The Man Without Fear's physicals because he's outclassed by Captain America in this regard (who is enhanced human, as stated by Brubaker). However, the agile hero is no slouch in this regard. He's swung around a 400 lbs barbell like a bo-staff and even tipped over an occupied limo.

While Batman has superior strength feats (like temporarily holding up a 1,000 lbs wall) and even endurance feats (see 'Knightfall'), it is Daredevil's reflexes which make me inclined to give him the nod in this regard. As stated above in Equipment/Powers, Daredevil's radar means his reflexes are fast enough to block and even deflect bullets. He's done this on plenty of occasions and often at the very last second. This, in combination with his topnotch agility, means I'm cool with giving him a small nod here. Yes, Batman does indeed have him bested in raw strength and endurance (not to mention he has peak human agility/reflexes, too), but it is DD's reflexes that greatly benefit his combat capabilities, after all.

Edge: Daredevil

Verdict

If you've been reading along in the feature, then my answer should be pretty obvious by now. While Daredevil is undoubtedly skilled and could maybe take advantage with a solid ricochet billy club toss or two, I can say with complete confidence that Batman should take a majority in this scenario. It'll be a hand-to-hand brawl worth paying to see, but at the end of the day, Batman is more indeed skilled and has more weaponry at his disposal to turn the tide. In the end, I think Batman wins via knockout 8/10. The Dark Knight takes a heavy majority, but Daredevil definitely goes down swinging and makes it quite entertaining.

Want more Batman battles?

Daredevil was selected due to overwhelming demand to see the character used in this segment. Next month, though, I'm going to be selfish and use a character (or characters) I've wanted to include for quite some time. In the meantime, what do you think of this one? Do you agree or disagree with the outcome? Speak your mind below!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. This is the part where he shamelessly plugs his Google+ and Twitter page in hopes of getting a new follower or two.

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Edited by butters911

I think this would be much closer. DD might actually win if Batman never figures out his radar sense.

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Edited by vandinejd_1991

Ooh since iron man 3 is coming out next month the next installment should be batman vs iron man

Edited by MarvtheCat

Batman vs Hawkeye would be cool

Posted by w0nd

I'm getting annoyed by this Batman always wins bullshit:P. Wonder woman would beat the crap out of him, there I said it .

He doesn't always win, most of his fans believes he does though and any time he loses its PIS

Posted by daredevil21134

@w0nd said:

@slickymike88 said:

I'm getting annoyed by this Batman always wins bullshit:P. Wonder woman would beat the crap out of him, there I said it .

He doesn't always win, most of his fans believes he does though and any time he loses its PIS

lol

Posted by BritishMonkey

It's Batman vs Red Batman. Red Batman would win.

Posted by JamDamage

DD's takes on stronger faster opponents more regular then Bats does. Not that Bats doesn't. Just running into DD, I think Bats would lose the first match. Give Bats a chance to come up with a plan, DD is toast. In a 2nd match Bats would just screw with DD's senses. Smells, hearing. That's also only if Batman doesn't realize DD is blind. If Bats does figure out DD is blind in the middle of the fight, he's a done deal. DD would have hangover the next day, but right away. No way. DD hands down. He's also pretty ruthless. He doesn't take chances. If he can dodge Venom with ease, he can dodge Batman.

Posted by CheapoComics

I don't think the ratio of Batman's wins against Daredevil is as high. I think the ratio would be a lot closer, but.........hesitantly....I'd still give Batman the majority of wins against Daredevil. Can't believe I just said that....ugh.

Good points in the article, that needs to be said, and is why I am agreeing here. Also, really, Batman does not need to "see" when fighting, so he has that as a skill somewhat comparable to DD's. Although, DD's radar sense is far more advantageous. The pressure point skill is another one but again....Batman can also use a smaller degree of that same skill on his opponents but not on objects like buildings or weapons like DD can. So it really is a close call between these two!

Posted by BlueLantern1995

I understand some of your points but I disagree with a lot of them.

  • I'd say fighting is a tie.
  • Since Batman doesn't have that sonic charge in his belt normally tech, is no issue for Daredevil as he can dodge them all. Plus his sense works like Spider-Man's spider sense and could allow him to dodge Batman's attacks furthering his edge.
  • Intellect/Mentality I'd say is pretty much a tie. You have to remember that this is a no prep scenario and all Bruce's smarts(I should say most) feats are in a prepped scenario. Batman has little to no improvisation feats except for against Joker. Daredevil has tons of them. This category I would give a slight edge to Daredevil.
  • Phsycial is pretty even but Batman is the peak of human fitness while Daredevil is not this is a clear win for Batman(who is around Captain America fitness last time I checked).

For the match I'd give this pretty much even with a 6/10 for Daredevil. Batman has a significant shot but doesn't have the prep necessary for his victory.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@w0nd said:

@slickymike88 said:

I'm getting annoyed by this Batman always wins bullshit:P. Wonder woman would beat the crap out of him, there I said it .

He doesn't always win, most of his fans believes he does though and any time he loses its PIS

You do realize that's a trivial amount of people and holds no factor in the feature itself, yes?

I think this would be much closer. DD might actually win if Batman never figures out his radar sense.

Having a large win/loss ratio doesn't mean it's not close. Daredevil gives him a good bout, but in the end Batman has too many advantages over him.

I understand some of your points but I disagree with a lot of them.

  • I'd say fighting is a tie.
  • Since Batman doesn't have that sonic charge in his belt normally tech, is no issue for Daredevil as he can dodge them all. Plus his sense works like Spider-Man's spider sense and could allow him to dodge Batman's attacks furthering his edge.
  • Intellect/Mentality I'd say is pretty much a tie. You have to remember that this is a no prep scenario and all Bruce's smarts(I should say most) feats are in a prepped scenario. Batman has little to no improvisation feats except for against Joker. Daredevil has tons of them. This category I would give a slight edge to Daredevil.
  • Phsycial is pretty even but Batman is the peak of human fitness while Daredevil is not this is a clear win for Batman(who is around Captain America fitness last time I checked).

For the match I'd give this pretty much even with a 6/10 for Daredevil. Batman has a significant shot but doesn't have the prep necessary for his victory.

  • How is fighting a tie when Batman has defeated more skilled opponenets and possesses more h2h knowledge?
  • Sonics are standard gear for Wayne.
  • Sorry, but can't say I agree. Wayne is smarter and, because of his variety of gear, has more tactics at his disposal.
  • I gave it to DD thanks to his slight edge in reflexes/agility.

DD's takes on stronger faster opponents more regular then Bats does. Not that Bats doesn't. Just running into DD, I think Bats would lose the first match. Give Bats a chance to come up with a plan, DD is toast. In a 2nd match Bats would just screw with DD's senses. Smells, hearing. That's also only if Batman doesn't realize DD is blind. If Bats does figure out DD is blind in the middle of the fight, he's a done deal. DD would have hangover the next day, but right away. No way. DD hands down. He's also pretty ruthless. He doesn't take chances. If he can dodge Venom with ease, he can dodge Batman.

If we're saying DD can't be tagged by people slower than Venom then I guess DD's got a whole lot of PIS in his history ;) Sure, tagging him won't be easy (this is precisely why I gave him the physical edge), but it's absolutely doable for Wayne thanks to his skill.

I don't think the ratio of Batman's wins against Daredevil is as high. I think the ratio would be a lot closer, but.........hesitantly....I'd still give Batman the majority of wins against Daredevil. Can't believe I just said that....ugh.

Good points in the article, that needs to be said, and is why I am agreeing here. Also, really, Batman does not need to "see" when fighting, so he has that as a skill somewhat comparable to DD's. Although, DD's radar sense is far more advantageous. The pressure point skill is another one but again....Batman can also use a smaller degree of that same skill on his opponents but not on objects like buildings or weapons like DD can. So it really is a close call between these two!

Thank you. Also, regarding pressure points, Dick Grayson has stated Batman knows every one for human anatomy.

Edited by Praetor_fenix

I agree, but i also think it'd be closer about 7/10 or 6.5/10 for Batman, afterall it's in character for DD to be pretty ruthless he's the kind of knock-down first ask questions later.

Posted by annafh

Batman Vs Red Batman? Nice!

Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

Great read. Batman takes this win without a doubt for me. Can't wait for the next one!

Edited by SynCig

Loved the article. Two of my favorites going at it in this one. I agree with everything said.

Posted by Immortal777

I like the break downs I would just like to see one that doesn't involve Batman like Black Panther vs ? that would be cool.

Posted by xxxddd

@tupiaz said:

Aprils fool! You are not getting me.

LOL.

Posted by gotwillpower

I'm getting annoyed by this Batman always wins bullshit:P. Wonder woman would beat the crap out of him, there I said it .

Not really BS. Just a close matchup. I'm sure Batman would lose against Wonder Woman, but that doesn't mean this fight is BS.

Posted by mtrakos

its not even close. Sound will make DD deff. Bats will figure that out quick. Why does Batman always win? Cause hes a genius and batman.

Posted by Pokeysteve

It's an incredibly effective method, allowing him to hang with (to some degree) talented characters such as Iron Fist, Punisher, Captain America and Taskmaster.

This is the only part of this article I don't agree with. Punisher doesn't belong there. He isn't as good as the others and Matt regularly destroys him in hand to hand.

Other than that though, great read once again.

Edited by Donovan Montgomery

DD's biggest draw back is what Bullseye said to Batman in the DC/Marvel book (paraphrased due to non-photographic memory) "You hit harder than Daredevil.". The reason for that is Daredevil holds back the majority of the time (I believe even with Bullseye for some reason) when throwing punches. That and Batman don't like people invading his cave. Like you mentioned on DD's strength, underrated, I say the same for him in general.

Anyway, I go more toward a 6-7/10 in Batman's favor just cause that's his character trait.

Still, a good analyse k4tz.

Posted by Queso6p4

@k4tzm4n said:

@w0nd said:

@slickymike88 said:

I'm getting annoyed by this Batman always wins bullshit:P. Wonder woman would beat the crap out of him, there I said it .

He doesn't always win, most of his fans believes he does though and any time he loses its PIS

You do realize that's a trivial amount of people and holds no factor in the feature itself, yes?

@butters911 said:

I think this would be much closer. DD might actually win if Batman never figures out his radar sense.

Having a large win/loss ratio doesn't mean it's not close. Daredevil gives him a good bout, but in the end Batman has too many advantages over him.

@bluelantern1995 said:

I understand some of your points but I disagree with a lot of them.

  • I'd say fighting is a tie.
  • Since Batman doesn't have that sonic charge in his belt normally tech, is no issue for Daredevil as he can dodge them all. Plus his sense works like Spider-Man's spider sense and could allow him to dodge Batman's attacks furthering his edge.
  • Intellect/Mentality I'd say is pretty much a tie. You have to remember that this is a no prep scenario and all Bruce's smarts(I should say most) feats are in a prepped scenario. Batman has little to no improvisation feats except for against Joker. Daredevil has tons of them. This category I would give a slight edge to Daredevil.
  • Phsycial is pretty even but Batman is the peak of human fitness while Daredevil is not this is a clear win for Batman(who is around Captain America fitness last time I checked).

For the match I'd give this pretty much even with a 6/10 for Daredevil. Batman has a significant shot but doesn't have the prep necessary for his victory.

  • How is fighting a tie when Batman has defeated more skilled opponenets and possesses more h2h knowledge?
  • Sonics are standard gear for Wayne.
  • Sorry, but can't say I agree. Wayne is smarter and, because of his variety of gear, has more tactics at his disposal.
  • I gave it to DD thanks to his slight edge in reflexes/agility.
@jamdamage said:

DD's takes on stronger faster opponents more regular then Bats does. Not that Bats doesn't. Just running into DD, I think Bats would lose the first match. Give Bats a chance to come up with a plan, DD is toast. In a 2nd match Bats would just screw with DD's senses. Smells, hearing. That's also only if Batman doesn't realize DD is blind. If Bats does figure out DD is blind in the middle of the fight, he's a done deal. DD would have hangover the next day, but right away. No way. DD hands down. He's also pretty ruthless. He doesn't take chances. If he can dodge Venom with ease, he can dodge Batman.

If we're saying DD can't be tagged by people slower than Venom then I guess DD's got a whole lot of PIS in his history ;) Sure, tagging him won't be easy (this is precisely why I gave him the physical edge), but it's absolutely doable for Wayne thanks to his skill.

@cheapocomics said:

I don't think the ratio of Batman's wins against Daredevil is as high. I think the ratio would be a lot closer, but.........hesitantly....I'd still give Batman the majority of wins against Daredevil. Can't believe I just said that....ugh.

Good points in the article, that needs to be said, and is why I am agreeing here. Also, really, Batman does not need to "see" when fighting, so he has that as a skill somewhat comparable to DD's. Although, DD's radar sense is far more advantageous. The pressure point skill is another one but again....Batman can also use a smaller degree of that same skill on his opponents but not on objects like buildings or weapons like DD can. So it really is a close call between these two!

Thank you. Also, regarding pressure points, Dick Grayson has stated Batman knows every one for human anatomy.

Nicely done breakdown and subsequent defense.

Edited by RisingBean

Batman beating Daredevil 8/10 times? Doubt it...

Posted by novi_homines

Not even going to protest this. As much as I love Daredevil, batman definitely takes this. I'm just glad Black Panther took the match when he was pitted against Batman.

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Posted by Teerack

Pretty sure batman would just use some kinda super loud and smelly stuff and make DD pass out.

Posted by Reignmaker

I love DD, but Batman wins this match-up pretty comfortably according to most readers I've talked to.

Posted by Vance Astro

@teerack said:

Pretty sure batman would just use some kinda super loud and smelly stuff and make DD pass out.

What if he doesn't have anything?

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Edited by Teerack

@vance_astro said:

@teerack said:

Pretty sure batman would just use some kinda super loud and smelly stuff and make DD pass out.

What if he doesn't have anything?

I find it incredibly unlikely that batman wouldn't have either on him. A lot of his tech incorporates high pitch sonics. In a full on brawl DD would win though.

Posted by Vance Astro

@teerack said:

In a full on brawl DD would win though.

What makes you say that?

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Edited by Teerack

@teerack said:

In a full on brawl DD would win though.

What makes you say that?

I just think that DD is a better fighter. If Batman can't use some kind of tech to give him his own kind of radar sense then I don't see him beating DD.

Posted by jaybefre

Batman vs. Iron Man - Battle of the Billionaires.

Posted by k4tzm4n

Great read. Batman takes this win without a doubt for me. Can't wait for the next one!

Thank you.

@syncig said:

Loved the article. Two of my favorites going at it in this one. I agree with everything said.

Thanks!

@queso6p4: Thanks, I do what I can.

@vance_astro said:

Batman beating Daredevil 8/10 times? Doubt it...

Check a few posts later cause he retracted that :P

Not even going to protest this. As much as I love Daredevil, batman definitely takes this. I'm just glad Black Panther took the match when he was pitted against Batman.

Well, thank you.

@teerack said:

@vance_astro said:

@teerack said:

In a full on brawl DD would win though.

What makes you say that?

I just think that DD is a better fighter. If Batman can't use some kind of tech to give him his own kind of radar sense then I don't see him beating DD.

Why do you believe that, though?

Posted by Teerack

@k4tzm4n: Because the only person to really out fight him was Captain America, but you can't really count that because his radar sense was half broken at the time. DD was always in my opinion meant to be one of the best if not the best fighter in all of the marvel universe which is why now that DD has moved up from common street level villains to some more super powered opponents everyone is always shocked at how DD kicks the crap out of them.

Posted by TrueMarvel

Batman Vs Dare Devil is the equivalent of Batman Vs NightWing....

This outcome was super obvious

Posted by batshrine

Batman Vs Dare Devil is the equivalent of Batman Vs NightWing....

This outcome was super obvious

Meaning Batman wins right?!?! :D

Edited by Vance Astro

@truemarvel said:

Batman Vs Dare Devil is the equivalent of Batman Vs NightWing....

This outcome was super obvious

It's really not because Daredevil>Nightwing.

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Posted by Vance Astro

@teerack said:

@k4tzm4n: Because the only person to really out fight him was Captain America, but you can't really count that because his radar sense was half broken at the time. DD was always in my opinion meant to be one of the best if not the best fighter in all of the marvel universe which is why now that DD has moved up from common street level villains to some more super powered opponents everyone is always shocked at how DD kicks the crap out of them.

This doesn't mean that most characters he fought weren't capable of outfighting him. Alot of the best fighters in the Marvel Universe have fought Daredevil but their fights were never finished or a plot device prevented them from beating him. DD didn't really move up from street level villains, in fact he fought more powerful villains in Daredevil Vol.1 than in Vol.3, by far. Nothing Daredevil has really done suggests he can beat someone of the caliber of Batman. Batman is smarter, trained and mastered more styles, and has the showings to back up what he's been taught. If they switched posts and DD took Gotham and Batman took Hell's Kitchen, Batman would be fine...Daredevil would probably be dead.

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Edited by Teerack

@teerack said:

@k4tzm4n: Because the only person to really out fight him was Captain America, but you can't really count that because his radar sense was half broken at the time. DD was always in my opinion meant to be one of the best if not the best fighter in all of the marvel universe which is why now that DD has moved up from common street level villains to some more super powered opponents everyone is always shocked at how DD kicks the crap out of them.

This doesn't mean that most characters he fought weren't capable of outfighting him. Alot of the best fighters in the Marvel Universe have fought Daredevil but their fights were never finished or a plot device prevented them from beating him. DD didn't really move up from street level villains, in fact he fought more powerful villains in Daredevil Vol.1 than in Vol.3, by far. Nothing Daredevil has really done suggests he can beat someone of the caliber of Batman. Batman is smarter, trained and mastered more styles, and has the showings to back up what he's been taught. If they switched posts and DD took Gotham and Batman took Hell's Kitchen, Batman would be fine...Daredevil would probably be dead.

I think that you're underestimating him the same way most people in the actual comics do. After the way the New Avengers vs Dark Avengers fight played out and the Pyslocke vs Dareveil fight went I really don't see how Batman could take him on. Yeah batman has mastered more fighting styles but the main reason Batman wins his fights is he's really good at analyzing things, and there isn't anyone in comics that can analyse things and learn from their opponent faster then DD and his super senses. Except probably Karnak.

You're free to think what you want, but I don't think Batman could beat DD in unarmed combat.

Edited by tupiaz

@walzo said:

@tupiaz said:

Oh BTW crossovers is canon, however they are rarely in continuity. Yeah there is a difference.

No, they aren't.

Yeah it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(fiction) It is released official and is therefore canon. However that does mean it is set in the main Daredevil or Batman continuity.

Posted by Walzo

@tupiaz said:

@walzo said:

@tupiaz said:

Oh BTW crossovers is canon, however they are rarely in continuity. Yeah there is a difference.

No, they aren't.

Yeah it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(fiction) It is released official and is therefore canon. However that does mean it is set in the main Daredevil or Batman continuity.

So you're using that as way of saying Daredevil would be Batman in a fight?

Posted by tupiaz

@walzo said:

@tupiaz said:

@walzo said:

@tupiaz said:

Oh BTW crossovers is canon, however they are rarely in continuity. Yeah there is a difference.

No, they aren't.

Yeah it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(fiction) It is released official and is therefore canon. However that does mean it is set in the main Daredevil or Batman continuity.

So you're using that as way of saying Daredevil would be Batman in a fight?

I don't get the question 100%.

What I'm saying is that crossover stories are canon because they are official since they are released by the official companies.

Edited by BatClaw89

Batman Vs a Handicap? really? really? really?

Posted by Vance Astro

@teerack said:

I think that you're underestimating him the same way most people in the actual comics do. After the way the New Avengers vs Dark Avengers fight played out and the Pyslocke vs Dareveil fight went I really don't see how Batman could take him on. Yeah batman has mastered more fighting styles but the main reason Batman wins his fights is he's really good at analyzing things, and there isn't anyone in comics that can analyse things and learn from their opponent faster then DD and his super senses. Except probably Karnak.

You're free to think what you want, but I don't think Batman could beat DD in unarmed combat.

I don't think i'm underestimating him. I also don't think most opponents he's fought have underestimated him either. In fact his underestimation of other characters has gotten HIM Ko'd.

I don't fully recall the fight with the New Avengers & Dark Avengers but IIRC, all Daredevil did was KO Gorgon and if you've seen what Gorgon can do you know Daredevil isn't even fast enough to keep up with Gorgon nor is he strong enough to KO him. The fight between Psylocke & Daredevil is not only PIS because Psylocke is far too powerful for him but DD SHOULD be a better fighter than Psylocke as should Batman. So skillwise I don't really see what that fight is supposed to prove. And before you suggest that i'm downplaying Daredevil by saying his fight with Psylocke is PIS, Read Avx in it's entirety..ALMOST every fight in that series is poorly written.

Batman has had better fights with far better female combatants than Psylocke..like Lady Shiva for instance. You say the main reason Batman wins his fights is because he's good at analyzing things (which isn't true, but if we're going with that) he doesn't lose that ability when he's not using his utility belt. He's not just a guy with a belt he's one of the best fighters in the DCU.

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Edited by Teerack

@vance_astro: I'm not really interested in arguing over something so perceptual. :V

Posted by Vance Astro

@teerack said:

@vance_astro: I'm not really interested in arguing over something so perceptual. :V

.........

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Posted by RisingBean

@k4tzm4n: I read his retraction...after I quoted his initial thoughts on the matter. I just don't think the loss ratio is quite as lopsided as you make it out to be. I think that on the whole, you have a damned good grasp of these guys, but my gut says you sold Murdock a little short. I think it is in the 6-7 range for Wayne to take it. A minor nitpick but I think short of sonics the numbers are crunched a little wrong.

Good article though, as usual.

Edited by Ballistic_z

while I enjoy reading this and I have to say it's about time you did this, . I have to say interesting , but some how I still think it'll be harder for the bat then this. lol cpatain americe see's DD as a hero he him self looks up to and has had trouble fihtin him him self when they actually did come to blows. Dare devil has also been shown to have some gadget's in those billy clubs of his like hidden blades when he wore that black armored alternate of his and yeah even Tazers etc.

You may think batman had the bigger arsenal of gadget's there but that's not necessarily true. . . well if it comes down to some thing like vehicles yeah.

But when it'll be billy clubs verse's batarang's no. they use them the same way. Smoke pellets well you already covered that, in a way but it's been said and shown that DD has used them as well. so they might be matched there. Yeah it'll be the sonic the device that might get Dare devil in the End .

But batman has been shown to use sonic sensing devices to track people much like Dare devil use's his radar sense as we've seen in various mediums involving him as well yeah he use it to see and track people. lol it's a double edge sword for them both in a way.

That said Dare Devil is the obvious best chose, hehe he's the batman of the MU though alot of people like to debate that. But there too many connections. He's just more self made though. and that's the reason I can see alot of people will dig a match up with him. and the Bat. The only thing that Batman to me really out class's Dare Devil in really in fortune. and I'm sorry dare devil does have a fortune But he still has to work a "dayJob "to earn it. where Bruce has dropped that part of his life and has luscious Fox take care of most Wayne business's. for the sake of what's now for realism reasons in the comic's. But Dare devil does have a fortune..

@risingbean said:

@k4tzm4n: I read his retraction...after I quoted his initial thoughts on the matter. I just don't think the loss ratio is quite as lopsided as you make it out to be. I think that on the whole, you have a damned good grasp of these guys, but my gut says you sold Murdock a little short. I think it is in the 6-7 range for Wayne to take it. A minor nitpick but I think short of sonics the numbers are crunched a little wrong.

Good article though, as usual.

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yeah it was a interesting read. But I do agree I do think the numbers are off and your right about the sonic's. this will be a much closer fight then what was said up in the article. Still I enjoyed it, but I know the fight will end up closer then that really.. DD has alot going for him and can mach batman all all those area's Cept of that one device. other wise it'll be a stale mate.

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