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Does Batman always win? Batman vs Captain America

Steve Rogers versus Bruce Wayne is without question one of the most heated debates in comic book history. Does Batman "always win" or is the super soldier going to take him down? We provide our thoughts!


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"Batman always wins. Why? Because... he's Batman."

That's an on-going joke surrounding the character, but I thought I'd take it a step further and have some fun with the statement. "Does Batman always win?" will hopefully be a monthly feature where I'll pit Batman in close match ups, weigh the advantages of each combatant, and then declare a winner (just like I did with Movie Dredd vs Movie Batman). The battle will always be standard comic book versions with their standard gear and it will take place in a neutral setting: a traditional and unpopulated city block at night. This will be a random encounter with ample starting distance. That means there's no prep!

Don't make him "one punch!" you, Hal.

Why Batman? Batman is simply a human at the end of the day, and that makes his accomplishments that much more impressive. Not only is Batman one of the most well known comic book characters around, he also demands your respect as a combatant. Even if you don't like him, you still have to admire the fact that he's extraordinary skilled, brilliant and has a huge array of equipment packed away in that belt of his. He can hang with some of the best and most dangerous street level characters around, and since that's the level I'm the most knowledgeable on, I'm excited for many of the matches I have in store for all of you (I'm welcome to suggestions, too!).

I present to you my first "Does Batman always win?" segment: Batman vs Captain America. Both are accomplished tacticians and highly talented combatants, but they each bring drastically different advantages to the table. They've faced before in non-canon crossovers and both times they were pretty evenly matched. Do I agree with that or do I think one should clearly be the victor? Read on to find out!

Captain America's advantages

There's no bat spray to counter a shield to the face.

Bruce Wayne has reached peak human condition with years of dedicated training. He was chopping through bricks and kicking down trees at just 25 years-old, but despite being beyond what any real-life human is capable of, Captain America is still his physical superior. Thanks to the Super-Soldier Serum, Captain America is technically defined as enhanced human and this provides him with strength, speed and endurance above The Dark Knight.

Captain America has been seen bench pressing 1,100 lbs and is capable of running a mile in just over a minute. While top running speed isn't the most critical factor, it still plays a role and proves that given the opportunity, Steve Rogers can absolutely keep pace with Bruce Wayne. In fights, strength is always a big factor. It means strikes can be more powerful and he can overcome in the event of a grapple. And with endurance, it obviously means the Super-Soldier won't fatigue as quickly as Wayne. That's not to discredit Wayne in that regard, of course. The events of 'Knightfall' prove Wayne can push his body to absurd limits, but Captain America simply has the unfair advantage of the SSS.

Agility that shouldn't be underestimated.

On top of being physically superior, Captain America has the perfect offensive/defensive weapon at his disposal: a virtually unbreakable shield. In Cap's hands, the shield is a colorful weapon worthy of your fear. Not only can he wield it incredibly well when it comes to striking his opponent in close combat, but he can also throw it with a ridiculous amount of accuracy (he's managed to turn off a lighter on the floor), has the technical mind needed to calculate amazing ricochet shots, and can use it to block a majority of incoming attacks. To me, ricochet shots are quite a wildcard worth taking into account here. The disc to the back of the head or torso is sure to throw someone (yes, even Batman) off their game.

Additionally, Captain America has made the claim that he can simply "see faster" than regular humans, and that grants him the reflexes to use the weapon with incredibly efficiency when it comes to defensive measures. That's going to be key here considering Batman has the edge in hand-to-hand capabilities.

Naturally, Captain America has some experience facing characters similar to Batman. He's had a few fights with Daredevil (though most have had significant factors) and had no real trouble holding his own (in all of them except for the recent one in Waid's DD), taken down Taskmaster, has proven to be roughly equal to Black Panther, and had a close encounter with classic Iron Fist.

Batman's advantages

Can skill overcome physicals?

While Captain America has Batman outclassed physically and has one incredibly resourceful weapon, Bruce Wayne has some praise worthy advantages of his own. First and foremost, Batman is more skilled than Captain America. Rogers is very talented in his own right (once claimed to be adept at every style), but Batman has a level of skill that few street levelers can compete with. Somehow through years of extensive studying, his Bat brain has "perfected every known fighting discipline." (JLA: The Ultimate Guide to the Justice League of America). Not only is he more talented than Rogers in unarmed combat,but Dick Grayson has also made the claim that Wayne knows every single pressure point -- and we've seen Wayne disable foes with nerve strikes quite a few times before.

Shoryuken!

But, this isn't unarmed combat. Captain America has his shield and luckily for Batman, he has a wealthy amount of weaponry at his disposal. While Captain America has just one weapon (albeit an impressive one), The Dark Knight has variety on his side. America's super soldier has no counter for a cryo pellet, various gases, smoke pellets, light explosives and electric attacks. That's barely even scratching the surface of what Wayne can implement in combat, too.

Smoke pellets can further compliment Batman's already beyond impressive stealth capabilities as well. Batman has flawlessly vanished while he was right in the target's line of sight. To me, this totally defies logic, but it's a consistent feat in his career and therefore something he can do on a regular basis. If needed, Batman can use this environment to his advantage with proper use of his smoke pellets and grappling line. From there, it's a game of ninja cat versus steroids cat. Batman can regain the edge thanks to his stealth, but at the same rate, there's no guarantee the strike will be a critical game changer.

Batman has an extensive history of fighting characters physically superior to him. Deathstroke would be a prime example of this (since he's also enhanced). While Deathstroke has made short work of him, it's worth noting that Batman didn't implement his gear and Slade Wilson is, as he bluntly stated himself, more vicious and trained to kill. While Rogers has no problem crossing that line when required, it's not in character for him to be that aggressive in this encounter. Then there's Bane, a man of course less powerful than Captain America (off venom since that's how a majority of their fights went down), but still Batman has been able to overcome him thanks to his greater talent in martial arts.

The Verdict

Flip a coin.

Of course these characters fluctuate from writer to writer, but I believe that written to their full potential and thrown into this scenario, the outcome would be a stalemate. To think either has a blatant advantage to make the outcome obvious is simply false to me. Both bring valuable aspects to the table and it's completely logical to see either taking it. While Batman has the edge in skill, it by no means renders him untouchable to Cap, and one clean connect from his enhanced level strength or shield (be it a strike or ricochet) holds the potential to turn the tide. Meanwhile, Batman's stealth abilities and massive array of equipment that Cap has no immediate counter for are equally big wild cards to me. I legitimately believe it's entirely conceivable for either to be the victor in this case.

G-Man's thoughts

"I would say, even though Batman is supposed to win, you could expect Cap to win. ESPECIALLY because of The New 52. It just seems Cap has way more experience taking on a large variety of threats with many on a galactic level.

Batman, we have to assume, hasn't dealt with too many foes outside of his rogues gallery. Yes he fought Darkseid in JUSTICE LEAGUE 1-6 but what other huge threats did he face? Has he lead the JL on many missions or other teams? Cap has more experience and is prepared to go up against foes like Ultron, Kang the Conqueror and even Galactus. There's always the infamous "prep" time but unless Batman defeats him quickly, Cap would have the skills to keep dodging his attacks and the stamina to outlast Batman."

Who do you think would win and why? Sound off!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. If this feature does well, expect another one next month! Be sure to follow him on Twitter for early spoilers every week about Rants & Raves and Best Battles!

606 Comments
Posted by BlueLanternBeast

If there was prep time, Batman would for sure take the win. However, with no prep time, I gotta give the edge to Cap.

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Posted by kriminal

assuming both guys are at their best ( cap was kinda soft in burbakers latest run) id go with cap 8 out of 10 times. too fast. too strong. impossible to keep down. batman is only human. and no prep time.

the only way batman pulls off victories like this is because he the biggest cheater in comics.

Posted by Sammo21

I think its funny that some people in here hold the belief that Batman cannot be beat. That and apparently Captain America's weakness lies in a smoke grenade.

Posted by Dhor

@Asagod: I`m just sayng that Cap is vulnerable to indirect dmg whereas batman is not. and all the gadgets and tech that Batman has/uses+ his great intelect would win this fight. I know that Cap dodges bullets and stuff for a living but it`s one thing to dodge bullets from an amateur and another to dodge bullets from an equal.

Posted by RedHush1

Batman because Captain America thinks in a soldier perspective when he is attacked with no prep time. He thinks does whatever its takes. So he'd make mistakes with doing that because he'd take a hit whenever he could and much like in the Dark Knight Returns with the Mutant leader. It'd be a like a doctor to someone on a operating table. He'd find a way to wear down Cap then finally take him out. Because Cap is more brute with no prep time when Batman even without prep time is tactics

Posted by JoeEddie

Big Batman fan here and I think Rogers should win. Cap goes up against Wolverine, Spider-Man, Hulk. Cannot see Bruce doing the same.

Posted by Deranged Midget

Awesome feature! Definitely want to see more of this but not pitted against Superman level characters :P

Personally, I'd see Cap being the victor in the fight, but otherwise it's extremely close and the conditions of battle would determine the victor. For one, Cap barely holds a physical advantage but he is also Bruce's superior in agility, acrobatics and speed. His shield gives him the greatest advantage as well. On the flip side though, Bruce is arguably more skilled, or at least more knowledgeable in regards the quantity of martial arts. Adding to that, his gadgets would help even the playing field.

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Posted by HushoftheWind

People may give Cap the battle experience b/c of wars and what not, Cap is foot soldier, while Batman is the General draws out the battle plan and is capable of implementing task himself

Posted by AmazingWebHead

You forgot that Batman cheats

Posted by HushoftheWind

@JoeEddie: i dont see how thats valid, its not like Cap beat those guys, i know he damn sure shouldnt

Edited by k4tzm4n

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Love this breakdown! When will you do the next one? You should do Thor vs. Superman!

Thanks! Oh my, there's no way I'm stepping into that mess. It's called "Does Batman always win?" so as you can imagine, it'll mostly be street level. ;)

@Deranged Midget said:

Awesome feature! Definitely want to see more of this but not pitted against Superman level characters :P

Personally, I'd see Cap being the victor in the fight, but otherwise it's extremely close and the conditions of battle would determine the victor. For one, Cap barely holds a physical advantage but he is also Bruce's superior in agility, acrobatics and speed. His shield gives him the greatest advantage as well. On the flip side though, Bruce is arguably more skilled, or at least more knowledgeable in regards the quantity of martial arts. Adding to that, his gadgets would help even the playing field.

Thank you. Fear not, Superman level characters will never be featured here.

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Posted by Deranged Midget

@k4tzm4n: Hope is restored! *runs off cheering*

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Posted by FatihBATMAN

@JamesKM716 said:

Captain America is Superhuman. Physically he's better than Batman.

As someone stated before, Cap America was injected with the serum, which made him Peak Human, just like Batman, it made Cap America the top human being that any man could be. just like batman.

Posted by JamesKM716

@FatihBATMAN: It depends on the writer's interpretation honestly.

But Cap is mildly super human. I read some stuff about it the other day.

Ed Brubaker considered Cap to be what humans could ultimately be.

Posted by JamesKM716

@k4tzm4n: May i formally request a Batman vs Black Panther thread

Posted by FatihBATMAN

Well, Batman trained himself to peak condition, that also telling something?

Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

@k4tzm4n: How about Deadpool vs. Deathstroke?

Posted by Smart_Dork_Dude

Captain America. Especially if it's against the New 52 Bats because I doubt he'd be on par with Cap in experience.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@k4tzm4n: How about Deadpool vs. Deathstroke?

It has to involve Batman, silly!

PS.

Deathstroke wins that one ;)

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Posted by JamesKM716

@FatihBATMAN: Peak Human.

My point was that Cap went further. via the Super Soldier Serum

Posted by Smart_Dork_Dude

@k4tzm4n: Batman VS Spider-Man?

Posted by k4tzm4n

@JamesKM716 said:

@k4tzm4n: May i formally request a Batman vs Black Panther thread

Yes, you may. I have many in mind but so far you're the second to suggest that!

@Smart_Dork_Dude said:

@k4tzm4n: Batman VS Spider-Man?

It's a possibility.

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Posted by JamesKM716

@k4tzm4n said:

@JamesKM716 said:

@k4tzm4n: May i formally request a Batman vs Black Panther thread

Yes, you may. I have many in mind but so far you're the second to suggest that!

@Smart_Dork_Dude said:

@k4tzm4n: Batman VS Spider-Man?

It's a possibility.

Ha Ha! Success.

I'm gonna but in here, and say that in a random encounter, wouldn't Spider-Man take the majority. There's not a ton Batman could do honestly.

Posted by Sammo21

@Smart_Dork_Dude:

Spider-Man would be far too fast for him, wouldn't he? Add on the spider-fu, the fact Batman can't get an edge over him because of Spider-sense, agility, way stronger than anyone he's faced before (Bane cannot lift 10 tons....), plus his smarts that have to be better than Batman's (Batman might be a detective but he's no scientist).

Posted by FatihBATMAN

have Spider-Man and Bats faced off before?

Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

@k4tzm4n:

D'oh! I had a brain fart. Sorry xD

Batman vs. Master Chief?

Posted by BritishMonkey

@Milamor: It would solve a lot of disputes lol

Posted by derf_jenkins

Hmmmm.....Christian Bale or Chris Evans? Idk, that's a push if you ask me.

Posted by MadeinBangladesh

God damn, how many times I gotta say this, Batman will always win. ALWAYS. He can beat Galactus with the glare.

Posted by SandMan_

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Posted by tamabone

Batman wins against Cap, because Batman cheats.

Posted by Iragexcudder

Cap wins. When Cap has prep time, he's close to batman in the winning department. Cap wins 7/10

Edited by enigma_2099

This will NEVER be an even debate. Characters like Batman just have to large of a fanbase to let there be any rational discussion on it. He wins battles he f******' SHOULDN'T!!! The explanation given? He needs enough prep time. And somehow he always seems to have just that.

Posted by Med

@The Stegman: right, but actual experience on the field and training aren't really equal. and looking beyond that, cap has been an avenger forever. he's been THE avenger forever. and batman after the new 52, at least publication-wise, has less experience then cap in an actual fight. plus cap practically leads the marvel universe. when people see him, they get out of the way so that he can solve their problems. he's like the superman of the marvel universe. this means he's been in more various situations than bats, giving him more versatility when it comes to tactical thinking. i doubt post-52 batman could ultimately take the win.

Posted by AskaniSon295

Captain America Wins Every Time Vs. Batman. Super Soldier Serum beats the best

non-meta-fighter, including Batman. It's why Steroids are illegal.

Posted by FatihBATMAN

@tamabone said:

Batman wins against Cap, because Batman cheats.

good one :P

Posted by roboadmiral

@Sammo21 said:

@Smart_Dork_Dude:

Spider-Man would be far too fast for him, wouldn't he? Add on the spider-fu, the fact Batman can't get an edge over him because of Spider-sense, agility, way stronger than anyone he's faced before (Bane cannot lift 10 tons....), plus his smarts that have to be better than Batman's (Batman might be a detective but he's no scientist).

Actually Batman is an exceptional scientist. He may not be on par with Reed Richards or Peter Parker, but their laboratory intelligence does them little good on the battlefield, where Batman's a master tactician. Not saying Batman wins; I'm just saying you're looking at intelligence the wrong way.

Edited by BigPromise

Blaspheme' People say Cap is physically superior, I beg to differ. Cap is at the peak of human skills. So is Bruce, one had a syrum the other trained. You say cap can lift a thousand pounds. Bats is said to be able to life a thousand also. I respect Cap i really do but even with no prep time batman is always prepared. His brain just works faster then everyone else's and he would of pulled something out from his a$$. I honestly believe bats and cap would square off bats would see he is a formidable opponent. And figure out a weakness a flaw or just simple use a smoke bomb or taser him. Bats is never caught off guard. Well except when bain snuck in the cave but he had him tired himself out with other villains before bain attacked which is a cowards move anyway. But at full potential of both charecters Bats would win hands down. I think spiderman has a better chance at beating bats then cap does simply because of his spider sense but thats it.

Posted by Yung ANcient One
Great Job K4tz. I cannot wait for the next one, but in my opinion Batman said it the best [in that crossover that's off cannon or whatever]  "It's clear you can beat me, but it will take you a long time." [Somewhere around those lines]  So Cap wins, or it's a stalemate because it was taking too long.  Any Wayyys Black Panther Vs Bats is next right?  One more thing  Will this be a One on One thing all the time, or will Bats be in any Handicap Matches?  (+)
Posted by iaconpoint

These two are so evenly matched I think it just depends who is having the better day.

Posted by Mezmero

Cap has been known to be quite susceptible to gas based weapons. All Batman would need to do is to hit him with the right mixture of bat-knockout gas and he would be done. I do think Batman's uppercut could use some work.

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Edited by Raw_Material

I would say Captain America would have the upper hand, after a long, brutal battle that was evenly matched. Reason being, is that The Cap has more stamina and endurance than Batman, who is simply human. This match-up can go either way within this battle, but if it comes down to it, Cap as fought many enormous fights including a battle against Galactus. The only way Batman can take control is if he uses his smarts, bat gadgets and is stealth through the shadows of the darkness during the fight. Even with his advantages, Cap possess super-strength, great senses, and his ricocheting shield, which will come to his advantage in this situation.

Posted by Miss_Garrick

I actually discussed this with Kurt Busiek at the Emerald City Comic Con earlier this year!

In JLA/Avengers, Captain America and Batman meet, size each other up, check the other's fighting stances, then they both realize if they fight it would take a while and it's 50/50 who would win, so they decided to work together against the real enemy.

And in the DC vs. Marvel series, they do start fighting in a sewer system, but a pipe breaks and washes them away before a winner could be offically declared. HOWEVER!! Batman says a minute later he lost.

I vote for Captain America to win every time.

Posted by Almighty1Azel

im goin with captain america... batman can fight better but cap as the advantage with strength, speed, reflexes, battle skills and "see faster" than regular humans, and that grants him the reflexes to use the weapon with incredibly efficiency when it comes to defensive measures. That's going to be key here considering Batman has the edge in hand-to-hand capabilities. yea cap wins

Posted by Danial79

Personally, I've never seen the point of "who would win" discussions. The fact is, any decent writer could find a way for Character A to beat Character B.

Posted by SnowyMountain

While I am not going to discount Batman's genius, fighting skills, and ability to use underhanded methods--I have to say ... Captain America.

Not only is Cap stronger, faster, more agile, and doesn't tire as fast as Bats; he's a master combatant. Just because someone knows a lot of different styles doesn't mean that he can win against someone who just might be an expert in just one. In addition, Cap's fought plenty of opponents who use tools and gadgets ranging from whips to thrown projectiles and even the more conventional guns. And plenty of them have also used boomerangs, smoke bombs, knock out gas, flares, and what have you to try and grab an edge over the Sentinel of Liberty and none of them have really worked too well.

He's also fought people with superior agility and even people who have lightning fast reflexes and precognitive "danger sense" like Spider-Man; and Spidey has gotten his butt kicked because he couldn't keep up with the ricocheting shield coming at weird angles and Cap at the same time was too much for him! And Spidey has had years to see Cap use that shield in action to boot.

Just because Cap has only the one weapon; his shield doesn't exactly make it any easier to defeat. It's taken blows from Thunder Gods and energy blasts from mad Titans without a scratch. Even if he does have like a miniature Bat Bazooka is going to overcome that. Nope, I have to that physically; Cap has the edge.

Smarts, I will give you that Bats is Cap's acknowledged superior. He's a master detective and clearly not a chump when it comes to inventing machines or gadgets. However, Cap is no dummy either. He's acknowledged as a master strategist and tactician just the same as Bats and Cap has demonstrated that he can be just as underhanded and devious when he needs to be. His skill at predicting how his shield can ricochet off multiple surfaces and rebound back that would make any master of billards gape with envy would indicate that he knows how to think three or even four moves ahead; it's not that difficult to believe that he can do the same thing in a fight against an opponent so I have to say that they're about even here. Cap has fought TONS of smarter people from MODOK to the Red Skull so I have to say that Cap is no slouch in the smarts department either. Any edge that Bats has isn't that vast.

Technology is Cap's one weak point. He doesn't go around carrying a utility belt of gadgets stuffed in it. So he's going to be up against an opponent who has the technological edge and isn't afraid to exploit it from things like his Batmobiles or Batwings to try and overwhelm . But Cap has been fighting man against weaponry and war machines for years--and so far, he hasn't exactly been beaten too easily by tech and can improvise handily with whatever around. And it's not like Cap is an technological illiterate. If he's even remotely given a chance; he'll be sure to bring something to equalize the playing field. So I have to say that Bats would win at technology, but Cap is fully capable of neutralizing it with either his smarts or some ace up his sleeve of his own.

And here it comes down to the nitty gritty. Will. The will to win. To overcome your opponent. Bats has easily one of the strongest wills ever. Superman is a weak knee sissy compared to Bats. He has stared into the face of horror night after night and has never broken. Unfortunately, against anyone else I would say that he would win right off. But Captain America is a soldier. He was raised during the chaos of the Great Depression and he LIVED through World War II. He fought his way across Europe and he fully saw the horrors, the terrors, and nightmare of the battlefield itself. He saw the Nazis and their Death Camps and he survived. He saw friends, fellow soldiers die, he even lost Bucky--his partner and someone he considered like a younger brother. He was plunged like 40 years into the future and had to deal with the enormous guilt of having survived when so many died through the passage of time and had to adapt to this modern age. So yeah--Cap is doesn't have the most flexible spines either. Another weaker person might have cracked or broken, but not Cap. He endured. Advantage of Will: Cap.

Bats might get lucky. If he had the advantage of preparing his terrain in advance and loading it with all manner of traps to weaken Cap then he might be able to overcome the Star-Spangled Avenger. Otherwise, it would be a very close fight. But Captain America would beat Batman.

Posted by THORSON

captain america wins.

batman only wins because of fanboys. take away fanboys and captain america kills batman.

Posted by CounterShock

Cap wins every time.

Posted by growup

I am so tired of the "batman wins because hes batman" joke

Posted by Raw_Material

It's like matching up Thor against Hulk or Superman. %*#@ would get nutss!