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Does Batman Always Win? Batman vs. Black Panther

Will The Dark Knight defeat Black Panther? Come find out what we think!

We've all seen the memes or heard the jokes before... Batman always wins. Why? Because he's Batman! As funny as this tends to be, I thought I'd turn it into a monthly segment to test that statement out. Batman obviously doesn't always win, but I thought it would be fun to see who he could defeat in fair, one on one battles with fellow street level characters that aren't from his universe.

To make sure the segment is always neutral, the match will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting (at night but city lights are on). They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think will take the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all Pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).

So far, I've placed The Dark Knight against Captain America (stalemate) and Wolverine (The X-Man wins). Now he's going face-to-face with a character drastically similar to him in a lot of regards -- Black Panther!

Credit: Rafael Neko Tumblr

This is usually where I break the segment up into three parts. I'd have one for Batman's advantages, one for Black Panther's advantages and then the verdict. However, in this case they are shockingly similar in so many elements and I feel it would be easiest to discuss these matters together. I'll bold and underline key points, too.

Hand-to-hand Skill

Both of these characters deserve praise for their technique and knowledge of martial arts and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Batman is a confirmed master of 127 different styles and has held his own or flat-out defeated some of the best street levelers in his universe. He's also embarrassed Nightwing and has overcome ridiculous amounts of enemies (BATMAN #16, for a recent example). He's no stranger to using nerve strikes (Solomon Grundy) and his peak human condition in combination with his skill allows him to give characters physically superior to him a tough time (Deathstroke, for example).

Meanwhile, T'Challa is often underrated when it comes to his effectiveness in this regard. AVX: VS #5 confirmed he's studied every fighting style in the world and, just like his opponent, knows how to use precision against physically superior characters. He's dropped Luke Cage, taken down Karnak, fought evenly and defeated Steve Rogers, and has brutally defeated a Super Skrull which had a wide variety of effective talents (Bullseye, Captain America, Elektra, Shang-Chi, and even T'Challa's).

These two are very close in this regard and I'd warrant a slight edge to Batman due to a more impressive selection of feats throughout his extensive history.

Equipment

I'll just come out and say it: I'm giving this edge to Black Panther. Batman has a huge assortment of of offensive and defensive gear at his disposal. Electric, gas, explosive, incendiary and cryo is barely scratching the surface of what Wayne can throw T'Challa's way, but ultimately, I don't believe they'll overcome the advantages Black Panther's vibranium armor provides. It grants a huge amount of protection against blunt trauma, stabbing damage (though cuts can penetrate if they go along the seams), and defend against the other attacks Batman has in his belt. As you can see in the image provided, Black Panther easily withstood a lightning strike from Storm, has endured hits from powerhouses including Hulk and Iron Man, taken volley of Iron Fist's chi-backed punches, and was perfectly fine after being shot by numerous assault rifles at point blank range. It goes without saying that his armor is quite protective.

Keep in mind, this is only addressing his durability against Wayne's attacks so far. When it comes to his offensive capabilities, T'Challa has deadly energy daggers and anti-metal claws which would absolutely tear through the Dark Knight's kevlar if it connects. The Marvel hero's boots allow him to withstand falls from greater heights and in a city setting that's definitely going to come in hand if a fight reaches a rooftop. Furtheremore, in NEW AVENGERS #1 we saw T'Challa has cloaking, teleporation and an energy shield. Wayne certainly brings a lot to the table, but in my opinion, T'Challa's goodies are simply more effective and provide just as much offensive and defensive variety in this case.

Mentality

Both are considered to be among the top human minds on their planet. The Caped Crusader is dubbed the greatest detective and T'Challa has a spot on the Iluminati for a reason (or at least was offered it). Both are masters of prep time, but since this is a random encounter, their absurdly good feats in this factor are really just moot points here.

What this comes down to is how both will act in this specific scenario and if either has the advantage when it comes to a tactical mindset. In that regard, I'd say both are roughly even. Both have the skill and intellect required to see subtle openings in their styles and are more than observant enough to not fall for obvious traps or tricks. However, when it comes to how far they'll go, I'd say T'Challa is the more brutal one. Wayne shocked me when he recently put a grappling line through Scarecrow's jaw, but T'Challa is a man that has no gripe ripping out eyes (Super Skrull) and, in NEW AVENGERS #1 (pictured above), he "basically ripped a dude in half" according to writer Jonathan Hickman.

Physicals

If this was made several months ago then they would be even in this regard. T'Challa was peak human while leaping around Matt Murdock's turf... but unfortunately for Batman, I'm making this feature now and Black Panther has once again been upgraded to above peak human (King of the Dead). T'Challa is now at least enhanced when it comes to his physicals, therefore he he takes this advantage. This isn't a huge advantage, though, since Batman has trained thoroughly enough to reach peak human condition.

The Verdict

So does Batman always win against Black Panther? In a random one on one fight, I think Black Panther would take the edge. Out of 10 fights, I'd probably grant him 6-7 hard fought victories over DC's Caped Crusader. Batman has the skill to eventually defeat him in unarmed combat, but sadly for him, this isn't unarmed combat. And while Bruce does have plenty of gear on his side, it'll take a lot to keep the Avenger down. It'll be a lengthy and brutal battle, but I see T'Challa's durability being the game changer.

There's now an official discussion thread for this monthly segment! Go there to make suggestions for future combatants (they need to be non-DC and street level!) and provide feedback!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. When he's not lurking around Comic Vine (which is rare), you can find him on Twitter.

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Posted by utkanflash

T'Challa my second favorite Marvel hero.. and he is always seen underated.. But in this fight..

Bats has more equipment more experience, more knowledge and more mental and spiritual discipline... And he is better leader, teacher and intelligence.... I love Black Panther character and he is so hard and tough for batman and also more agile and quick but Bats take him... and Batman' durability not bad

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i cant really say im a fan of these segments, the problem is with comparing batman to MARVEL characters is that a majority of them are overpowered, captain america is trained in most styles of combat, so`s wolverine and so`s black panther, and on top of that they are all "genius`s," and then they get a power added on as well. then there is BP`s amour, how the hell can it withstand blows from the hulk and lighting strikes and probly god knows what else, it`s not really grounded in reality what so ever, batman on the other hand is more grounded with reality (not much more, but enough,) BP having his super amour is just lazy writing for humans being able to survive being hit by the hulk, batman though while in his normal gear doesnt have super resistances, when he gets hit of superhumans it usually means hes broke a bone or 2, marvel give there human characters gimmicky amour so the writers can keep there human character alive

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Posted by hawkeye321

@logan_reilly: lol, "...and God. You know, because he's...well...God." lol

Edited by thejman250

@k4tzm4n said:

We've all seen the memes or heard the jokes before... Batman always wins. Why? Because he's Batman! As funny as this tends to be, I thought I'd turn it into a monthly segment to test that statement out. Batman obviously doesn't always win, but I thought it would be fun to see who he could defeat in fair, one on one battles with fellow street level characters that aren't from his universe.

To make sure the segment is always neutral, the match will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting (at night but city lights are on). They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think will take the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all Pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).

So far, I've placed The Dark Knight against Captain America (stalemate) and Wolverine (The X-Man wins). Now he's going face-to-face with a character drastically similar to him in a lot of regards -- Black Panther!

Credit: Rafael Neko Tumblr

This is usually where I break the segment up into three parts. I'd have one for Batman's advantages, one for Black Panther's advantages and then the verdict. However, in this case they are shockingly similar in so many elements and I feel it would be easiest to discuss these matters together. I'll bold and underline key points, too.

Hand-to-hand Skill

Both of these characters deserve praise for their technique and knowledge of martial arts and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Batman is a confirmed master of 127 different styles and has held his own or flat-out defeated some of the best street levelers in his universe. He's also embarrassed Nightwing and has overcome ridiculous amounts of enemies (BATMAN #16, for a recent example). He's no stranger to using nerve strikes (Solomon Grundy) and his peak human condition in combination with his skill allows him to give characters physically superior to him a tough time (Deathstroke, for example).

Meanwhile, T'Challa is often underrated when it comes to his effectiveness in this regard. AVX: VS #5 confirmed he's studied every fighting style in the world and, just like his opponent, knows how to use precision against physically superior characters. He's dropped Luke Cage, taken down Karnak, fought evenly and defeated Steve Rogers, and has brutally defeated a Super Skrull which had a wide variety of effective talents (Bullseye, Captain America, Elektra, Shang-Chi, and even T'Challa's).

These two are very close in this regard and I'd warrant a slight edge to Batman due to a more impressive selection of feats throughout his extensive history.

Equipment

I'll just come out and say it: I'm giving this edge to Black Panther. Batman has a huge assortment of of offensive and defensive gear at his disposal. Electric, gas, explosive, incendiary and cryo is barely scratching the surface of what Wayne can throw T'Challa's way, but ultimately, I don't believe they'll overcome the advantages Black Panther's vibranium armor provides. It grants a huge amount of protection against blunt trauma, stabbing damage (though cuts can penetrate if they go along the seams), and defend against the other attacks Batman has in his belt. As you can see in the image provided, Black Panther easily withstood a lightning strike from Storm, has endured hits from powerhouses including Hulk and Iron Man, taken volley of Iron Fist's chi-backed punches, and was perfectly fine after being shot by numerous assault rifles at point blank range. It goes without saying that his armor is quite protective.

Keep in mind, this is only addressing his durability against Wayne's attacks so far. When it comes to his offensive capabilities, T'Challa has deadly energy daggers and anti-metal claws which would absolutely tear through the Dark Knight's kevlar if it connects. The Marvel hero's boots allow him to withstand falls from greater heights and in a city setting that's definitely going to come in hand if a fight reaches a rooftop. Furtheremore, in NEW AVENGERS #1 we saw T'Challa has cloaking, teleporation and an energy shield. Wayne certainly brings a lot to the table, but in my opinion, T'Challa's goodies are simply more effective and provide just as much offensive and defensive variety in this case.

Mentality

Both are considered to be among the top human minds on their planet. The Caped Crusader is dubbed the greatest detective and T'Challa has a spot on the Iluminati for a reason (or at least was offered it). Both are masters of prep time, but since this is a random encounter, their absurdly good feats in this factor are really just moot points here.

What this comes down to is how both will act in this specific scenario and if either has the advantage when it comes to a tactical mindset. In that regard, I'd say both are roughly even. Both have the skill and intellect required to see subtle openings in their styles and are more than observant enough to not fall for obvious traps or tricks. However, when it comes to how far they'll go, I'd say T'Challa is the more brutal one. Wayne shocked me when he recently put a grappling line through Scarecrow's jaw, but T'Challa is a man that has no gripe ripping out eyes (Super Skrull) and, in NEW AVENGERS #1 (pictured above), he "basically ripped a dude in half" according to writer Jonathan Hickman.

Physicals

If this was made several months ago then they would be even in this regard. T'Challa was peak human while leaping around Matt Murdock's turf... but unfortunately for Batman, I'm making this feature now and Black Panther has once again been upgraded to above peak human (King of the Dead). T'Challa is now at least enhanced when it comes to his physicals, therefore he he takes this advantage. This isn't a huge advantage, though, since Batman has trained thoroughly enough to reach peak human condition.

The Verdict

So does Batman always win against Black Panther? In a random one on one fight, I think Black Panther would take the edge. Out of 10 fights, I'd probably grant him 6-7 hard fought victories over DC's Caped Crusader. Batman has the skill to eventually defeat him in unarmed combat, but sadly for him, this isn't unarmed combat. And while Bruce does have plenty of gear on his side, it'll take a lot to keep the Avenger down. It'll be a lengthy and brutal battle, but I see T'Challa's durability being the game changer.

There's now an official discussion thread for this monthly segment! Go there to make suggestions for future combatants (they need to be non-DC and street level!) and provide feedback!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. When he's not lurking around Comic Vine (which is rare), you can find him on Twitter.

- Yes, Black Panther's vibranium armour is definitely durable even though he was defeated by Kraven.

- I repeat, the Black Panther was defeated by Kraven, who was simply a guy waving a knife around. That's definitely some impressive armour there.

- However, these threads will only be your opinion regardless so it doesn't really matter.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@thejman250: Kraven's son, actually, and he's physically superior to his father. He's not just "some guy," he has superhuman stats. And, the armor has a weakness if you cut along the weave which is stated in the article.

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Posted by thejman250

@k4tzm4n said:

@thejman250: Kraven's son, actually, and he's physically superior to his father. He's not just "some guy," he has superhuman stats. And, the armor has a weakness if you cut along the weave which is stated in the article.

- Sure. As i said, Black panther was defeated by some guy with a knife.

- If all Kraven needed to beat Black Panther was a knife, then that armour doesn't seem that good to me.

- Yes, you saying that Kraven has superhuman "stats" doesn't mean much to me, and apparently not much to Spiderman either.

Edited by k4tzm4n

@thejman250:Reducing Alyosha to "some guy with a knife" is vastly underestimating the character, but okay. What does Spider-Man have to do with this? He has all of these characters hugely outclassed when it comes to physicals.

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Posted by thejman250

@k4tzm4n said:

@thejman250:Reducing Alyosha to "some guy with a knife" is vastly underestimating the character, but okay. What does Spider-Man have to do with this? He has all of these characters hugely outclassed when it comes to physicals.

- If you're armour can be beaten by a knife, it's not every good in my opinion.

- Spiderman has nothing to do with Batman and Black panther.

- Him having these characters "hugely outclassed" is your opinion. If you feel that way, then fine. However, i don't agree.

Edited by k4tzm4n

@thejman250 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@thejman250:Reducing Alyosha to "some guy with a knife" is vastly underestimating the character, but okay. What does Spider-Man have to do with this? He has all of these characters hugely outclassed when it comes to physicals.

- If you're armour can be beaten by a knife, it's not every good in my opinion.

- Spiderman has nothing to do with Batman and Black panther.

- Him having these characters "hugely outclassed" is your opinion. If you feel that way, then fine. However, i don't agree.

-Well, I don't mean to be rude, but your opinion is wrong. A weakness doesn't mean it's ineffective. His armor has held up to numerous assault rifles in close range. The fact he can be hurt with a knife hardly means it's "not very good." A weakness, sure, but it's still very durable against many other things. The pros outweight the cons.

-Okay, but you're the one that brought up Spider-Man so I wanted to know why.

-No, it's not. Hugely outclassed in regards to physical power levels. Those are clearly defined.

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Posted by thejman250

@k4tzm4n said:

@thejman250 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@thejman250:Reducing Alyosha to "some guy with a knife" is vastly underestimating the character, but okay. What does Spider-Man have to do with this? He has all of these characters hugely outclassed when it comes to physicals.

- If you're armour can be beaten by a knife, it's not every good in my opinion.

- Spiderman has nothing to do with Batman and Black panther.

- Him having these characters "hugely outclassed" is your opinion. If you feel that way, then fine. However, i don't agree.

-Well, I don't mean to be rude, but your opinion is wrong. A weakness doesn't mean it's ineffective. His armor has held up to numerous assault rifles in close range. The fact he can be hurt with a knife hardly means it's "not very good."

-Okay, but you're the one that brought up Spider-Man.

-No, it's not. Hugely outclassed in regards to physical power levels. Those are clearly defined.

- Actually, an opinion isn't true or false and unless your definition of "wrong" is false, it's an opinion as well. As far as i'm concerned, armour that can be beaten with a knife isn't very good.

- Yes, i did bring up spider man.

- Actually, i'm positive that it is your opinion. "Hugely" is subjective sir.

Edited by k4tzm4n

@thejman250: Yet it can take hits from superhumans and leave the person within perfectly safe from clips upon clips of bullets... if one weakness to being cut along the seams manages to counter those other benefits and deem it is ineffective or not good in your eyes, then so be it, I suppose. As you can tell, I wholeheartedly disagree.

But, it seems like you'd rather talk about technicalities rather than the actual subject at hand and I can't say that interests me much. If you think all it takes to beat Black Panther is "a man with a knife," that's severely underrating him... and yes, that's a fact. Decades upon decades of feats support this if you take into account his degree of skill, intellect, physical capabilities and more. But if you only wish to recognize his defeat at the hands of Kraven's son, you're by all means allowed to have that limited view of him.

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Posted by thejman250

@k4tzm4n said:

@thejman250: Yet it can take hits from superhumans and leave the person within perfectly safe from clips upon clips of bullets... if one weakness to being cut along the seams manages to counter those other benefits and deem it is ineffective or not good in your eyes, then so be it, I suppose. As you can tell, I wholeheartedly disagree.

But, it seems like you'd rather talk about technicalities rather than the actual subject at hand and I can't say that interests me much. If you think all it takes to beat Black Panther is "a man with a knife," that's severely underrating him... and yes, that's a fact. Decades upon decades of feats support this if you take into account his degree of skill, intellect, physical capabilities and more. But if you only wish to recognize his defeat at the hands of Kraven's son, you're by all means allowed to have that limited view of him.

- Well, i tend to deal with facts and his defeat at the hands of a man(regardless of who the man was) with a knife happens to be a fact.

- I'm not going to debate with you on what else it can withstand, as my only concern is that a man with a knife can defeat this armour.

- If Black panther with his vibranium armour, decades of feats, and such a high degree of skill, intellect, physical capabilities and even more attributes(according to you) can be bested by a man with a knife, i can't say that i'm impressed in the least and i honestly find this character to be quite questionable.

- However, we can agree to disagree.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@k4tzm4n said:

@thejman250: Yet it can take hits from superhumans and leave the person within perfectly safe from clips upon clips of bullets... if one weakness to being cut along the seams manages to counter those other benefits and deem it is ineffective or not good in your eyes, then so be it, I suppose. As you can tell, I wholeheartedly disagree.

But, it seems like you'd rather talk about technicalities rather than the actual subject at hand and I can't say that interests me much. If you think all it takes to beat Black Panther is "a man with a knife," that's severely underrating him... and yes, that's a fact. Decades upon decades of feats support this if you take into account his degree of skill, intellect, physical capabilities and more. But if you only wish to recognize his defeat at the hands of Kraven's son, you're by all means allowed to have that limited view of him.

- Well, i tend to deal with facts and his defeat at the hands of a man(regardless of who the man was) with a knife happens to be a fact.

- I'm not going to debate with you on what else it can withstand, as my only concern is that a man with a knife can defeat this armour.

- If Black panther with his vibranium armour, decades of feats, and such a high degree of skill, intellect, physical capabilities and even more attributes(according to you) can be bested by a man with a knife, i can't say that i'm impressed in the least and i honestly find this character to be quite questionable.

- However, we can agree to disagree.

-Well, shouldnt' that work both ways, then? If merely losing once to a man with a knife is a factor in your eyes, what about the one time Zsasz -- a character less skilled and less physically formidable -- defeated Batman and he needed Robin to save him? ;)

-Well, I'm not sure if you read the full feature or had expanded knowledge on the capabilities of the costume. I felt obligated to inform you if you did not.

-Well, if anything, it's a credit to Kraven's son. Otherwise, do you think Batman is a questionable character because he lost once to Zsasz?

-Sure.

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Posted by thejman250

@k4tzm4n said:

@thejman250 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@thejman250: Yet it can take hits from superhumans and leave the person within perfectly safe from clips upon clips of bullets... if one weakness to being cut along the seams manages to counter those other benefits and deem it is ineffective or not good in your eyes, then so be it, I suppose. As you can tell, I wholeheartedly disagree.

But, it seems like you'd rather talk about technicalities rather than the actual subject at hand and I can't say that interests me much. If you think all it takes to beat Black Panther is "a man with a knife," that's severely underrating him... and yes, that's a fact. Decades upon decades of feats support this if you take into account his degree of skill, intellect, physical capabilities and more. But if you only wish to recognize his defeat at the hands of Kraven's son, you're by all means allowed to have that limited view of him.

- Well, i tend to deal with facts and his defeat at the hands of a man(regardless of who the man was) with a knife happens to be a fact.

- I'm not going to debate with you on what else it can withstand, as my only concern is that a man with a knife can defeat this armour.

- If Black panther with his vibranium armour, decades of feats, and such a high degree of skill, intellect, physical capabilities and even more attributes(according to you) can be bested by a man with a knife, i can't say that i'm impressed in the least and i honestly find this character to be quite questionable.

- However, we can agree to disagree.

-Well, shouldnt' that work both ways, then? If merely losing once to a man with a knife is a factor in your eyes, what about the one time Zsasz -- a character less skilled and less physically formidable -- defeated Batman and he needed Robin to save him? ;)

-Well, I'm not sure if you read the full feature or had expanded knowledge on the capabilities of the costume. I felt obligated to inform you if you did not.

-Well, if anything, it's a credit to Kraven's son. Otherwise, do you think Batman is a questionable character because he lost once to Zsasz?

-Sure.

- For the record, i think that Batman is questionable , in more ways than one, for a multitude of reasons that don't necessarily have to do with this conversation.

- Additionally, if Batman was enhanced and had a suit that was supposed to be as you make Black Panther's suit out to be, then i would also question Batman in that instance.

- Again, i think that Batman is a questionable character regardless. However, him losing to Zsasz once when he's a common member of Batman's rouges gallery is not that surprising. However, he's probably not going to lose to Zsasz after facing him before.

Posted by Teerack

Honestly I think Panther would win. He is smarter then Batman. I'm sure fanboys will want to argue this but T'Challa is up there with Reed Richards. His tech is all vibrianium, and Wakanda tech is better then any tech on earth except for the fortress of solitude so it's better. And because of the way Black Panther's powers work there is no way Batman is a better fighter. Batman may have learned a ton of martial arts but being the Black Panther allows you to have all of the fighter knowledge and kill of ever past Black Panther, so T'Challa honestly probably knows more ways to fight then Batman.

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Posted by thejman250

@teerack said:

Honestly I think Panther would win. He is smarter then Batman. I'm sure fanboys will want to argue this but T'Challa is up there with Reed Richards. His tech is all vibrianium, and Wakanda tech is better then any tech on earth except for the fortress of solitude so it's better. And because of the way Black Panther's powers work there is no way Batman is a better fighter. Batman may have learned a ton of martial arts but being the Black Panther allows you to have all of the fighter knowledge and kill of ever past Black Panther, so T'Challa honestly probably knows more ways to fight then Batman.

- And all it took to defeat this guy was some individual waving a knife around. How utterly, utterly unimpressive.

Edited by Teerack

@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

Honestly I think Panther would win. He is smarter then Batman. I'm sure fanboys will want to argue this but T'Challa is up there with Reed Richards. His tech is all vibrianium, and Wakanda tech is better then any tech on earth except for the fortress of solitude so it's better. And because of the way Black Panther's powers work there is no way Batman is a better fighter. Batman may have learned a ton of martial arts but being the Black Panther allows you to have all of the fighter knowledge and kill of ever past Black Panther, so T'Challa honestly probably knows more ways to fight then Batman.

- And all it took to defeat this guy was some individual waving a knife around. How utterly, utterly unimpressive.

You know what's not very impressive? The way Batman the worlds "greatest" detective always manages to not figure anything about before it becomes painfully obvious unlike T'Challa who is always a head of even the reader.

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Posted by thejman250

@teerack said:

@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

Honestly I think Panther would win. He is smarter then Batman. I'm sure fanboys will want to argue this but T'Challa is up there with Reed Richards. His tech is all vibrianium, and Wakanda tech is better then any tech on earth except for the fortress of solitude so it's better. And because of the way Black Panther's powers work there is no way Batman is a better fighter. Batman may have learned a ton of martial arts but being the Black Panther allows you to have all of the fighter knowledge and kill of ever past Black Panther, so T'Challa honestly probably knows more ways to fight then Batman.

- And all it took to defeat this guy was some individual waving a knife around. How utterly, utterly unimpressive.

You know what's not very impressive? The way Batman the worlds "greatest" detective always manages to not figure anything about before it becomes painfully obvious unlike T'Challa who is always a head of even the reader.

- Oh look a generalization. While this may be the case in some instances, it certainly isn't all.

- I have my own opinions and complaints about this matter, but they are irrelevant to a conversation about Black Panther and Batman.

- Also, that's a nice attempt to take a shot at Batman. I assume that i hurt your feelings when i stated that i found T'Challa to be unimpressive when he was bested by a man with a knife. What's next, another shot at Batman? Surprise, surprise.

Edited by Teerack

@teerack said:

@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

Honestly I think Panther would win. He is smarter then Batman. I'm sure fanboys will want to argue this but T'Challa is up there with Reed Richards. His tech is all vibrianium, and Wakanda tech is better then any tech on earth except for the fortress of solitude so it's better. And because of the way Black Panther's powers work there is no way Batman is a better fighter. Batman may have learned a ton of martial arts but being the Black Panther allows you to have all of the fighter knowledge and kill of ever past Black Panther, so T'Challa honestly probably knows more ways to fight then Batman.

- And all it took to defeat this guy was some individual waving a knife around. How utterly, utterly unimpressive.

You know what's not very impressive? The way Batman the worlds "greatest" detective always manages to not figure anything about before it becomes painfully obvious unlike T'Challa who is always a head of even the reader.

- Oh look a generalization. While this may be the case in some instances, it certainly isn't all.

- I have my own opinions and complaints about this matter, but they are irrelevant to a conversation about Black Panther and Batman.

- Also, that's a nice attempt to take a shot at Batman. I assume that i hurt your feelings when i stated that i found T'Challa to be unimpressive when he was bested by a man with a knife. What's next, another shot at Batman? Surprise, surprise.

I was trying to emulate you to show you the flaws in your way of thinking about this, but I don't think you even realized what you did lol. Never mind.

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Edited by thejman250

@teerack said:

@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

Honestly I think Panther would win. He is smarter then Batman. I'm sure fanboys will want to argue this but T'Challa is up there with Reed Richards. His tech is all vibrianium, and Wakanda tech is better then any tech on earth except for the fortress of solitude so it's better. And because of the way Black Panther's powers work there is no way Batman is a better fighter. Batman may have learned a ton of martial arts but being the Black Panther allows you to have all of the fighter knowledge and kill of ever past Black Panther, so T'Challa honestly probably knows more ways to fight then Batman.

- And all it took to defeat this guy was some individual waving a knife around. How utterly, utterly unimpressive.

You know what's not very impressive? The way Batman the worlds "greatest" detective always manages to not figure anything about before it becomes painfully obvious unlike T'Challa who is always a head of even the reader.

- Oh look a generalization. While this may be the case in some instances, it certainly isn't all.

- I have my own opinions and complaints about this matter, but they are irrelevant to a conversation about Black Panther and Batman.

- Also, that's a nice attempt to take a shot at Batman. I assume that i hurt your feelings when i stated that i found T'Challa to be unimpressive when he was bested by a man with a knife. What's next, another shot at Batman? Surprise, surprise.

I was trying to emulate you to show you the flaws in your way of thinking about this, but I don't think you even realized what you did lol. Never mind.

- I don't see any flaws at all.

- He was bested by a man waving a knife around which is a canon fact. The only flawed thing here would be T'Challa's armour.

- I think T'Challa needs to invest in some better armour.

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@thejman250:

-that's what I was expecting after your last post lol.

-I'm actually really curious about what you're talking about. Can you post a scan?

Although if it happened in Man Without Fear I don't care at all. He has no tech and lost his powers in that, so he would lose easily to batman during that time. Normal he wears a vilbrainium laced armor that a normal knife would break trying to pierce.

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@teerack said:

@thejman250:

-that's what I was expecting after your last post lol.

-I'm actually really curious about what you're talking about. Can you post a scan?

Although if it happened in Man Without Fear I don't care at all. He has no tech and lost his powers in that, so he would lose easily to batman during that time. Normal he wears a vilbrainium laced armor that a normal knife would break trying to pierce.

- So, are you asking me to post a scan of Kraven beating Black Panther with only a knife, or something about Batman?

- Apparently, his vibranium armour didn't do so well against a knife.

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@k4tzm4n said:
@teerack said:

@thejman250:

-that's what I was expecting after your last post lol.

-I'm actually really curious about what you're talking about. Can you post a scan?

Some scans of the fight (Alyosha vs. Black Panther) can be found below.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/kraven-vs-black-panther-403825/

Thanks. I had no idea he was talking about The Hunter xD

@teerack said:

@thejman250:

-that's what I was expecting after your last post lol.

-I'm actually really curious about what you're talking about. Can you post a scan?

Although if it happened in Man Without Fear I don't care at all. He has no tech and lost his powers in that, so he would lose easily to batman during that time. Normal he wears a vilbrainium laced armor that a normal knife would break trying to pierce.

- So, are you asking me to post a scan of Kraven beating Black Panther with only a knife, or something about Batman?

- Apparently, his vibranium armour didn't do so well against a knife.

Okay... wow..... just wow.... You consider a fight with Kraven the Hunter the same as "a guy swinging around a knife" xD

Also Kraven doesn't use normal knives

Have no read a lot of batman? I gets his suit torn up from like jumping through windows and stuff... he's also been stubbed a lot...

Didn't BP win that fight....

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@teerack said:

@k4tzm4n said:
@teerack said:

@thejman250:

-that's what I was expecting after your last post lol.

-I'm actually really curious about what you're talking about. Can you post a scan?

Some scans of the fight (Alyosha vs. Black Panther) can be found below.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/kraven-vs-black-panther-403825/

O.o you think a fight with Kraven is "a guy swinging a knife around" wow.... you've read the times Batman has fought Lady Shiva and the Talons right? Actually never mind I don't want to talk about this anymore.

- Yes, because even though Kraven was holding a knife he definitely wasn't a man with a knife. I suppose that the sharp object in his hand was definitely a sniper rifle instead.

- Oh, Bringing Batman into the conversation again. I suppose that you can't do anything besides take shots at Batman hmm? Surprise, surprise.

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@teerack said:

@k4tzm4n said:
@teerack said:

@thejman250:

-that's what I was expecting after your last post lol.

-I'm actually really curious about what you're talking about. Can you post a scan?

Some scans of the fight (Alyosha vs. Black Panther) can be found below.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/kraven-vs-black-panther-403825/

O.o you think a fight with Kraven is "a guy swinging a knife around" wow.... you've read the times Batman has fought Lady Shiva and the Talons right? Actually never mind I don't want to talk about this anymore.

- Yes, because even though Kraven was holding a knife he definitely wasn't a man with a knife. I suppose that the sharp object in his hand was definitely a sniper rifle instead.

- Oh, Bringing Batman into the conversation again. I suppose that you can't do anything besides take shots at Batman hmm? Surprise, surprise.

-Wow... I don't think my 12 year old brother could have missed the point harder then that...

-Did you really just say that? You are either very very stupid or an amazing troll.

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@teerack said:

@k4tzm4n said:
@teerack said:

@thejman250:

-that's what I was expecting after your last post lol.

-I'm actually really curious about what you're talking about. Can you post a scan?

Some scans of the fight (Alyosha vs. Black Panther) can be found below.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/kraven-vs-black-panther-403825/

Thanks. I had no idea he was talking about The Hunter xD

You're welcome. It's worth noting while Aly isn't as skilled as his father, he's physically superior to him. If my memory serves me right, he's sporting 3 ton strength.

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Batman always wins.

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@teerack said:

@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

@k4tzm4n said:
@teerack said:

@thejman250:

-that's what I was expecting after your last post lol.

-I'm actually really curious about what you're talking about. Can you post a scan?

Some scans of the fight (Alyosha vs. Black Panther) can be found below.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/kraven-vs-black-panther-403825/

O.o you think a fight with Kraven is "a guy swinging a knife around" wow.... you've read the times Batman has fought Lady Shiva and the Talons right? Actually never mind I don't want to talk about this anymore.

- Yes, because even though Kraven was holding a knife he definitely wasn't a man with a knife. I suppose that the sharp object in his hand was definitely a sniper rifle instead.

- Oh, Bringing Batman into the conversation again. I suppose that you can't do anything besides take shots at Batman hmm? Surprise, surprise.

-Wow... I don't think my 12 year old brother could have missed the point harder then that...

-Did you really just say that? You are either very very stupid or an amazing troll.

- Oh look, your opinion. How cute.

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@thejman250: Forums are a place for people to discuss their opinions, if you can't handle that go back to your homework child. /shoos

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@teerack said:

@thejman250: Forums are a place for people to discuss their opinions, if you can't handle that go back to your homework child. /shoos

- I don't have anything to handle.

- However ,if you think i'm obligated to give a damn about what you think i suggest you return to second grade kid. Try again.

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@teerack said:

@thejman250: Forums are a place for people to discuss their opinions, if you can't handle that go back to your homework child. /shoos

- I don't have anything to handle.

- However ,if you think i'm obligated to give a damn about what you think i suggest you return to second grade kid. Try again.

Wow, why do I keep coming back to this thread when the person I'm talking to continues to not comprehend my posts. /facepalm

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@teerack said:

@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

@thejman250: Forums are a place for people to discuss their opinions, if you can't handle that go back to your homework child. /shoos

- I don't have anything to handle.

- However ,if you think i'm obligated to give a damn about what you think i suggest you return to second grade kid. Try again.

Wow, why do I keep coming back to this thread when the person I'm talking to continues to not comprehend my posts. /facepalm

- If only there were actually material in your posts that a child couldn't comprehend.

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@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

@thejman250: Forums are a place for people to discuss their opinions, if you can't handle that go back to your homework child. /shoos

- I don't have anything to handle.

- However ,if you think i'm obligated to give a damn about what you think i suggest you return to second grade kid. Try again.

Wow, why do I keep coming back to this thread when the person I'm talking to continues to not comprehend my posts. /facepalm

- If only there were actually material in your posts that a child couldn't comprehend.

Well then I guess you're less then a child because you've missed every point I didn't break down to a redundant level for you.

I honestly for your sake hope you're a troll, and this is going to sound super pretentious and I've seriously never believed this before now, but I think me talking to you might be a bit beneath me. xD So before we derail the topic more I'm going to go now.

Have a nice day.

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@teerack said:

@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

@thejman250 said:

@teerack said:

@thejman250: Forums are a place for people to discuss their opinions, if you can't handle that go back to your homework child. /shoos

- I don't have anything to handle.

- However ,if you think i'm obligated to give a damn about what you think i suggest you return to second grade kid. Try again.

Wow, why do I keep coming back to this thread when the person I'm talking to continues to not comprehend my posts. /facepalm

- If only there were actually material in your posts that a child couldn't comprehend.

Well then I guess you're less then a child because you've missed every point I didn't break down to a redundant level for you.

I honestly for your sake hope you're a troll, and this is going to sound super pretentious and I've seriously never believed this before now, but I think me talking to you might be a bit beneath me. xD So before we derail the topic more I'm going to go now.

Have a nice day.

- Implying that your posts actually had a point, and weren't irrelevant nonsense. Cute.

- Me being beneath you kid? I highly doubt that "xD".

- Good riddance honestly, and have a nice day yourself.

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Perfectly done. Black Panther definitely stomps.

Posted by Omnicrono

Black Panther beats pretty much ANY street-level superhero...according to the Comic Vine battle forums.

-_-

Sad day... unless you are a big Black Panther fan.

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@teerack said:

He is smarter then Batman.

I don't believe he is.

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Panther destroys Bruce..... come on now

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Panther destroys Bruce..... come on now

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@k4tzm4n:

Another great article! I just now got a chance to read it.

If anything, I think this match would be a stalemate.

Why?

Well, some of your points don't quite jive for me, k4. Just for fun... because I really do enjoy your articles...

*Sarcasm: On*

- Panther uses energy daggers and anti metal claws that can easily shred kevlar... and it's not as if Batman has had a lot of experience or anything battling opponents who are experts/masters at using sharp, pointy weapons that can easily slice through his suit (like maybe Deathstroke, Lady Shiva, Ra's Al Ghul, Joker, etc..)

- Panther's vibranium suit is ultra durable... and it's not as if it will take Batman ("the world's greatest detective") all of a few minutes to deduce that penetrating PM's suit is probably not going to work in this battle and so he will have to adjust his tactics accordingly.

- Panther's got a cloaking device... and it's not as if Batman himself is a stealth and escape master without the use of a cloaking device, and it's not as if Batman would be able to detect someone who is temporarily invisible (*see Martian Manhunter scan you posted in a different "Batman Vs." article)

- Panther's mentality is to fight with more brutality... and it's not as if Batman has ever fought and defeated a bloodthirsty killer who wanted to rip him limb from limb and serve him up for breakfast.

*Sarcasm: Off* lol

I kid because I love. Don't stop making these articles, man, because they truly are fun to read. I am probably just one of the few who thinks this more than likely would have been a stalemate.

Cheers!

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@thejman250: seems like you're a Batman fanboy that's letting your biased cloud your judgement. Batman doesn't win all the time. Face it. Katzman does a great job at bringing is unbiasness in these threads.

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@k4tzm4n: what issue did he lose to Zsasz? I definitely have to check that one out. Lol

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@moby: Black Panther has better feats in intelligence, both scientifically, technologically, and in the battlefield.

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@dondave: and Black Panther has taken hits from Stardust (a herald of Galactus), the Hulk, and a Phoenix-empowered Namor.

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@moby: Black Panther has better feats in intelligence, both scientifically, technologically, and in the battlefield.

Maybe Black Panther has better tech and science, but that is not surprising because of Marvel's Universe. But I would say that they have nearly equal intelligence and battlefield feats.

@dondave: and Black Panther has taken hits from Stardust (a herald of Galactus), the Hulk, and a Phoenix-empowered Namor.

And Batman has taken hits from Superman, Etrigan, Aquaman, and so forth.

Do not mistake my comments for saying Batman wins. I agree with the 6/10 or 7/10 original post.

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@moon_bat_87: I know this. I'm just saying Panther has taken hits from Superhuman level opponents also who are 100 tonners. And that's moot because Black Panther is physically superior to Batman, including his durability.

Comparable feats of intelligence, but not equal. Battlefield feats? Black Panther led the entire nation of Wakanda against the Skrull/Super Skrull invasion and won, and leads the Wakandan army on all battlefield fronts.

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@moon_bat_87: I know this. I'm just saying Panther has taken hits from Superhuman level opponents also who are 100 tonners.

Comparable feats of intelligence, but not equal. Battlefield feats? Black Panther led the entire nation of Wakanda against the Skrull/Super Skrull invasion and won, and leads the Wakandan army on all battlefield fronts.

I will give you Battlefield superiority. I guess what I was meaning by Battlefield, I was thinking group vs group not army vs army. That was my mistake for not clarifying my meanings. Sorry for that.

However I think they have equal intelligence feats. If you want you can post a Black Panther intelligence feat and I can try to match it.

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@moon_bat_87: it still falls into Panther leading a group against a whole race of superhumanly-powered aliens. Technically an army is a group.

Intelligence feats? Lets see......

1. He outsmarted Dr.Doom in the Doorwar storyline.

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@myronlee26 said:

@moon_bat_87: it still falls into Panther leading a group against a whole race of superhumanly-powered aliens. Technically an army is a group.

Intelligence feats? Lets see......

1. He outsmarted Dr.Doom in the Doorwar storyline.

I accept your feat.

Batman has also defeated the smartest men of his Universe. He has defeated Luthor and Ghul using wits and intelligence. He has also outsmarted Darkseid multiple times. Tricked Metron. Defeated Promethus.