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Does Batman Always Win? Batman vs. Black Panther

Will The Dark Knight defeat Black Panther? Come find out what we think!

We've all seen the memes or heard the jokes before... Batman always wins. Why? Because he's Batman! As funny as this tends to be, I thought I'd turn it into a monthly segment to test that statement out. Batman obviously doesn't always win, but I thought it would be fun to see who he could defeat in fair, one on one battles with fellow street level characters that aren't from his universe.

To make sure the segment is always neutral, the match will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting (at night but city lights are on). They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think will take the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all Pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).

So far, I've placed The Dark Knight against Captain America (stalemate) and Wolverine (The X-Man wins). Now he's going face-to-face with a character drastically similar to him in a lot of regards -- Black Panther!

Credit: Rafael Neko Tumblr

This is usually where I break the segment up into three parts. I'd have one for Batman's advantages, one for Black Panther's advantages and then the verdict. However, in this case they are shockingly similar in so many elements and I feel it would be easiest to discuss these matters together. I'll bold and underline key points, too.

Hand-to-hand Skill

Both of these characters deserve praise for their technique and knowledge of martial arts and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Batman is a confirmed master of 127 different styles and has held his own or flat-out defeated some of the best street levelers in his universe. He's also embarrassed Nightwing and has overcome ridiculous amounts of enemies (BATMAN #16, for a recent example). He's no stranger to using nerve strikes (Solomon Grundy) and his peak human condition in combination with his skill allows him to give characters physically superior to him a tough time (Deathstroke, for example).

Meanwhile, T'Challa is often underrated when it comes to his effectiveness in this regard. AVX: VS #5 confirmed he's studied every fighting style in the world and, just like his opponent, knows how to use precision against physically superior characters. He's dropped Luke Cage, taken down Karnak, fought evenly and defeated Steve Rogers, and has brutally defeated a Super Skrull which had a wide variety of effective talents (Bullseye, Captain America, Elektra, Shang-Chi, and even T'Challa's).

These two are very close in this regard and I'd warrant a slight edge to Batman due to a more impressive selection of feats throughout his extensive history.

Equipment

I'll just come out and say it: I'm giving this edge to Black Panther. Batman has a huge assortment of of offensive and defensive gear at his disposal. Electric, gas, explosive, incendiary and cryo is barely scratching the surface of what Wayne can throw T'Challa's way, but ultimately, I don't believe they'll overcome the advantages Black Panther's vibranium armor provides. It grants a huge amount of protection against blunt trauma, stabbing damage (though cuts can penetrate if they go along the seams), and defend against the other attacks Batman has in his belt. As you can see in the image provided, Black Panther easily withstood a lightning strike from Storm, has endured hits from powerhouses including Hulk and Iron Man, taken volley of Iron Fist's chi-backed punches, and was perfectly fine after being shot by numerous assault rifles at point blank range. It goes without saying that his armor is quite protective.

Keep in mind, this is only addressing his durability against Wayne's attacks so far. When it comes to his offensive capabilities, T'Challa has deadly energy daggers and anti-metal claws which would absolutely tear through the Dark Knight's kevlar if it connects. The Marvel hero's boots allow him to withstand falls from greater heights and in a city setting that's definitely going to come in hand if a fight reaches a rooftop. Furtheremore, in NEW AVENGERS #1 we saw T'Challa has cloaking, teleporation and an energy shield. Wayne certainly brings a lot to the table, but in my opinion, T'Challa's goodies are simply more effective and provide just as much offensive and defensive variety in this case.

Mentality

Both are considered to be among the top human minds on their planet. The Caped Crusader is dubbed the greatest detective and T'Challa has a spot on the Iluminati for a reason (or at least was offered it). Both are masters of prep time, but since this is a random encounter, their absurdly good feats in this factor are really just moot points here.

What this comes down to is how both will act in this specific scenario and if either has the advantage when it comes to a tactical mindset. In that regard, I'd say both are roughly even. Both have the skill and intellect required to see subtle openings in their styles and are more than observant enough to not fall for obvious traps or tricks. However, when it comes to how far they'll go, I'd say T'Challa is the more brutal one. Wayne shocked me when he recently put a grappling line through Scarecrow's jaw, but T'Challa is a man that has no gripe ripping out eyes (Super Skrull) and, in NEW AVENGERS #1 (pictured above), he "basically ripped a dude in half" according to writer Jonathan Hickman.

Physicals

If this was made several months ago then they would be even in this regard. T'Challa was peak human while leaping around Matt Murdock's turf... but unfortunately for Batman, I'm making this feature now and Black Panther has once again been upgraded to above peak human (King of the Dead). T'Challa is now at least enhanced when it comes to his physicals, therefore he he takes this advantage. This isn't a huge advantage, though, since Batman has trained thoroughly enough to reach peak human condition.

The Verdict

So does Batman always win against Black Panther? In a random one on one fight, I think Black Panther would take the edge. Out of 10 fights, I'd probably grant him 6-7 hard fought victories over DC's Caped Crusader. Batman has the skill to eventually defeat him in unarmed combat, but sadly for him, this isn't unarmed combat. And while Bruce does have plenty of gear on his side, it'll take a lot to keep the Avenger down. It'll be a lengthy and brutal battle, but I see T'Challa's durability being the game changer.

There's now an official discussion thread for this monthly segment! Go there to make suggestions for future combatants (they need to be non-DC and street level!) and provide feedback!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. When he's not lurking around Comic Vine (which is rare), you can find him on Twitter.

429 Comments
Posted by PLUT0N

hey does anyone knows the artist who made the batman illustriation at the top...?

(im talking about the first pic the one with the vs...)

Posted by Cavemold

i think BP would win to

Edited by antemiusenteri

@Logan Reilly said:

Except Hulk. Hulk is strongest there is. And God, because... well, he's God.

so the hierarchy is Batman Hulk and God............and people say storm fan are batshit...

Posted by Blood1991

I agree T'challa would win. Without any prior knowledge of his opponent Batman isn't the threat some make him out to be.

Posted by The Sadhu

I think it would be a stalemate in my opinion!

Posted by mrdecepticonleader

Another great write up

Posted by Omega-Man

Wait I don't believe this one this is actually worse than the Wolverine bout. I know Black Panther has had an upgrade lately but is it his standard costume or is it just the whole Marvel now change? Like Batman I'd think Black Panther has a vault full of various costumes. If this is true this bout is null because batman hasn't shown his whole aresnel in the new 52 he's been pulling new weapons out that even I didn't know he had on the fly. From the way it's been stated Black Panther wins this fight simply because of his weapons being enhanced by Vibrainium.

BUUTTT Has BP shown he has half the weapons he used before with his current upgraded suit? if not then there is no argument. You can't give weapons he had before to his current suit as it might not have them on that suit unless it has been clearly seen. You might say standard equipment but if you go for that then the upgrade is null and void. you can't have it both ways. For example the 52 suit is nothing like the Inc suit that Batman has worn and i wouldn't expect them to have the same abilities or equipment. (Besides the basics of Batarangs and a grappling hook)

I like BP but I know nothing about him other than the bare minimum of him, and I kinda doubt the statement of saying he has knives he had in an older suit to his new suit Thats ALOT of assumption.

I am siding with BP simply because I know his suit does have better armour. But as for what weapons he has thats debatable. Plus I'm unsure what things can vibrainuim can and can't block can it stop ice? does BPs suit have a gas filter? If not batman has a few more chances of winning if thought out of the box.

But if he has no protection against ice weapons or even gas weapons I'd give it a 50/50 stalemate if he does have these then BP wins he covered all his bases.

Posted by FatihBATMAN

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Posted by mcbean

I Respectfully disagree....Batman wins

Posted by Onemoreposter

@k4tzm4n: man, I think you just like making threads where Batman looses.....

Edited by Ramier

this reminds me of a recent video i seen about what would happen to batman vs spiderman

Posted by cborg

So basically you're saying in your eyes Batman beats no one

Posted by Vaeternus

yeah i'm going Batman here especially on intelligence, the guy outsmarted Darkseid for pete's sake lol and hacked into his security code....i want to see black wanna be i mean black panther do that;)

Posted by ComicKing7

Black Panther Wins!!!!!!!!!

Posted by cameron83

@Alexander505 said:

#2: To give Black Panther the edge in intelligence is an insult to Batman's history as a tactical genius

That's true.

not only that,but to give black panther the edge in gadgets as well,is also an insult.Basically I feel that this entire article was an insult to him.And I've seen batman tech that barely scrapes the surface that would make T'challa's head spin,especially since he is the master of gadgetry.Well basically,I feel that,because of his statistics and feats,etc,batman should've won this with ease,so I personally feel that this was an insult to batman.Although,that's what I think,surely few would disagree.

Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

I agree. Black Panther's equipment gives too much of an edge for me, and T'Challa is only slightly inferior to Bruce in terms of fighting skills.

Also, is there a thread for Does Batman Always Win? suggestions, or do I just put them in here?

Posted by JamDamage

Batman would know he'd have to think it thru and wouldn't let the fight come to point for him to be beaten. He'd high tail it and come back. I know he can't run, but I don't know. Who can grapple better. On their feet if either are losing, they would take it to the ground. On the ground Batman is a surgeon. Butman has better weapons in his pouches.

Posted by Dark_Vengeance_

@Logan Reilly said:

Except Hulk. Hulk is strongest there is. And God, because... well, he's God.

Superman is stronger than Hulk.

@k4tzm4n: Great article!

You should do Batman vs Daredevil up next.

Edited by jashro44

@Vaeternus said:

yeah i'm going Batman here especially on intelligence, the guy outsmarted Darkseid for pete's sake lol and hacked into his security code....i want to see black wanna be i mean black panther do that;)

Black panther did basically the same thing to mephisto. And didn't he use motherbox to hack the death spores?

Posted by cameron83

@Vaeternus said:

yeah i'm going Batman here especially on intelligence, the guy outsmarted Darkseid for pete's sake lol and hacked into his security code....i want to see black wanna be i mean black panther do that;)

also,the guy's suit could take hits from superman,and take a direct missile,and take a direct parademon explosion up-close.That's just the light of it.Also batman has an energy deflector,and the gadgets I've seen so far (old and new) would mop the floor with batman.And his intelligence....this seems a bit insulting to batman.

And batman's suit is packed with high tech gadgets...even arkham city batman had gadgets that could stalemate BP...and while I am a BP fan and MARVEL fan,I am also,only thing I like from DC,a batman fan.

Posted by jashro44

The underestimation of black panther in these comments is almost painful to me...I am fine if you think batman would win (I personally disagree...) but are people seriously calling it an insult that black panther has comparable intelligence to batman?

Posted by Alch21

Batmans not as smart, quick or as fast. His gear is also subpar compared to Panthers. BP easily wins out most bouts.

Posted by ComicKing7

Finally I thought i was the only one who thought blackpanther could win

Posted by Decoy Elite

Oh my goodness how can so many people not get what a random encounter is.

Posted by batshrine

@god_spawn: @k4tzm4n:

First of all I didn't mean to sound like I am insulting your judgement k4tzm4n, or your experience since I am well aware you know WAY more than the seasoned reader, and definitely more than me. In fact I love reading your articles. I am just saying if you are closely attached to a subject, bias can happen. And the nature of the commentary is to show that Batman doesn't always win, which is an inherent bias.

Now I am also not saying there are better people out there to write these articles. And god_spawn you put a good point that hardcore fans shouldn't be used but experts. And I agree whole heartedly. But to get a balanced evaluation it is wiser (not saying you have the time for this) to get input from other experts as well in their fields individually.

And a neutral person ideally is someone that doesn't know anything about the two characters, and logically use the information provided to see what is actually the outcome. Kind of like a prosecution, defense, and judge relationship.

Posted by MuyJingo

@k4tzm4n: OK, thanks, I missed it somehow

Posted by SexualLobster

I think Daredevil or Spider-Man should be next. But Spider-Man honestly would wreck him, especially now with spider-ock.

Posted by Vincie_Pooh

If Batman can beat Superman, he can win and take out Black panther in a fight.

Posted by desmond006

I agree with this article.

Posted by The_Vein

I'm glad to see someone taking an honest approach to who Batman could actually beat or lose against. The whole "Batman always wins" thing is so tired.

Posted by Mrfuzzynutz

Black Panther wins in a head to head match. Speed, agility, tech goes to Panther I do believe in following rematches you will see them even out a bit more

But overall if Batman doesn't get the first punch in, or drop T'challa with some kind of tech, he is in for a tough fight.

Posted by batmanary

Personally, I think Batman would win against Black Panther. It would indeed be a close fight, and quite brutal, but I give Batman the edge in tech, despite the vibranium that T'Challa possesses, because his suit is frankly made for war. Batman goes out with the intention of fighting crime every day. That is his mentality. T'Challa does not work like that. He isn't really out there to fight crime beyond supercrime. He is a king. And ultimately that means that in a physical encounter, he will lose the edge, despite his brutality.

Also, I'm a bit skeptical about the whole master of pertinent martial arts thing. I mean, yeah, even Batman didn't have it at first, but once it was written in, it made sense. It fits in with his mentality and his mission. Having people like Steve Rogers and T'Challa just happening to have this same experience (of learning all the martial arts) turns me off.

Posted by TrueMarvel

@batmanary:

Sorry man... But in no part of your paragraph did you clearly state WHY batman would win. Panther is a king. The king of the most technological advanced nation in marvel universe. In terms of technology batman really doesn't compare.

Posted by cameron83

@MrShway88 said:

You insult Batman with this article.

I agree,but I don't really think it that bluntly.

but I think that batman would own T'challa,especially current batman.Even pre-new 52 batman had enough tech at his disposal to match and even surpass that of T'challa,especially in his suit.It;s more than just kevlar. So to give it to T'challa in intelligence and tech,seems like an insult to batman.Although,to give it to T'challa in physique seems fair and accurate.But everyone here acts as if batman only has military grade gear,he has gear that surpasses military gear,and surpasses that of T'challa's by far.

batmanfeats.blogspot.com

Edited by cameron83

@batmanary said:

Personally, I think Batman would win against Black Panther. It would indeed be a close fight, and quite brutal, but I give Batman the edge in tech, despite the vibranium that T'Challa possesses, because his suit is frankly made for war. Batman goes out with the intention of fighting crime every day. That is his mentality. T'Challa does not work like that. He isn't really out there to fight crime beyond supercrime. He is a king. And ultimately that means that in a physical encounter, he will lose the edge, despite his brutality.

Also, I'm a bit skeptical about the whole master of pertinent martial arts thing. I mean, yeah, even Batman didn't have it at first, but once it was written in, it made sense. It fits in with his mentality and his mission. Having people like Steve Rogers and T'Challa just happening to have this same experience (of learning all the martial arts) turns me off.

I agree completely,especially in tech.People don't realize the tech that batman utilizes,especially in his technologically advanced suit,the batsuit. Everyone disregards his suit and tech completely.Seriously,he's the master of gadgets,no one is giving him enough credit,and this essentially is insulting to him.

Although,panther easily wins in physique.But I think that's the only thing that makes me think he would win.

and something from another site:

1. The Bat-Suit: Batman doesn’t have superpowers. He’s just a guy in a suit, but what a suit it is. It’s more than just tights and a cape. It serves to transform Bruce Wayne into the one-man army on crime that is Batman. It’s Kevlar and titanium construction keeps Batman bulletproof. His gloves and boots are impact resistant which comes in handy when fighting bruisers such as Killer Croc and Solomon Grundy. His cape is light, but durable. It lets Batman glide long distances and swoop done on his foes. His gloves are armed with electric shockers and also have been known to hide grappling devices and batarang shooters. They hide other tools such as lock picks. The metallic blades on his gauntlets are sharp and durable. They also can be fired like Batarangs in order to incapacitate. His cowl is also full of bells and whistles. It’s chief job is to protect his identity. It’s lead lined to protect against x-rays. It also has a security system that includes aggravating gas and electricity blasts built in that keeps people from removing it. His cowl also has various modes of vision including black light, infrared, and night vision. It acts as a transmitter and receiver as well. It keeps him connected to Alfred and the Batcave at all times. It picks up police chatter and other frequencies that keep Batman informed at all times.

that's just the light of it.He's made his own teleporter and it's on his belt,and his suit can counteract everything T'challa throws at him,for example,with the invisibility cloak thing,batman can see the entire EM spectrum with his suit,he could see T'challa in a manner similar-looking to Arkham city's detective mode.Basically,I think that this thread is an insult to batman,but well-thought out...

I sound a bit like an annoying fanboy now that I think of it...but I strongly believe batman should've won.

Posted by CharlyR

Between this and the new avengers, I really want to read more about Black Panther.

Any suggestions anyone ?

Posted by PsychoJack

@Batnandez: Nope Battard

Edited by k4tzm4n
@Zeeguy91 said:

@k4tzm4n This is a list of match-ups I'd really like to see. Not making demancds or anything, just a wish-list

Elektra, Daredevil, Iron Fist and Hawkeye are certainly possible.  I'm trying to go with non-DC characters so neither has knowledge.  I think that makes it more interesting and challenging for both. 
 
@sentryman555 said:

I agree with the outcome but it makes me wonder what exactly is Batman's standard gear. The only thing is I wish you would go more into detail about how Batman would use his equipment against Black Panther and vice versa. The way you make it sound is Batman is just gonna throw his shock bombs and stuff directly at BP the whole time. Surely after he sees its not gonna work he'd try something else? Like you could show how he's used his gear in the past a bit more.

Sorry, never meant to imply such a thing.  I was just pointing out that no matter what Batman throws his way, odds are his suit can defend from it.  He's virtually immune to electric attacks, has a filter for gas, holds up well against blunt truama, etc.  As for "standard," it varies, but I'd say batarangs, grappling line, small explosives, magnet, sonics, gas, smoke, electric/taser, incendiary and cryo covers the basics. 
 
@Lvenger said:

@k4tzm4n: So glad you're doing this as a monthly thing! The battle forums aren't the same without you and here at least we get a glimpse of your street level prowess. No arguments from me on the verdict, thoroughly analysed as it was. T'Challa should definitely be able to beat Batman due to his greater weaponry, equal fighting skills and enhanced stats! Awesome article!

Thank you, I really appreciate that. 
 
@Super_SoldierXII said:

I'd go so far as to say modern day Black Panther is easily as tough a fight for Batman as Wolverine given the tech and recent enhancements.

Certainly a fair thing to say. I was shocked with the latest additions in NEW AVENGERS #1 when I read it.   
 
@Differentology said:

Batman wins because Batman carries cat nip!

lol. 
  
@MrShway88  said: 

You insult Batman with this article.

Just don't let him know I said he loses then, okay? 
 
@god_spawn : Thank you for the compliments. 
 
@Mezmero  said: 

I agree. T'Challa just comes from stronger genes. The Black Panthers are trained to be kings and warriors for generations. The Waynes have good hearts and minds for business but Bruce and Demian seem like the only badasses of the whole bloodline. Bruce owes everything he is to money and obsession. Have you done Batman vs Moon Knight yet? I'd like to see which crazy person is crazier.

Nope but it's possible! 
 
@Squares  said: 

I agree completely. You made your points very well, too.

Thank you very much. 
 
@entropy_aegis  said: 

Questions:

If T'Challa has the power of all the previous dead Panthers then surely his physicals would be well beyond super human?

How does vibranium fair against ice and magnetic devices? Batman is unlikely to use them but the option is there.

I'll need to see more before knowing for sure -- but in the meantime, that's why I played it safe and said at least  enhanced.  Technically, T'Challa could now teleport out of the ice.  Sure, the option is absolutely there, though like you said, it's not probable. 
 
@Bobsjonjon  said: 
Love these scenarios ....
Thank you. As for the Superman remark, Batman only "beat" him with prep and in an alternate universe.  This is a random encounter and he doesn't have that armor ;) 
 
@Walzo  said: 

I dare anyone to debate against K4 and win.

I DARE YOU.

LOL! Thanks. 
 
 
@mrdecepticonleader  said: 

Another great write up

Thanks! 
 
@Omega-Man  : T'Challa is protected against gas.  His mask can filter it. 

@mcbean  said: 

I Respectfully disagree....Batman wins


Well, thank you for being polite about it :) 
 
@Ramier  said: 

this reminds me of a recent video i seen about what would happen to batman vs spiderman


Man, I wish  my segments were that entertaining! 
 
@cborg  said: 
So basically you're saying in your eyes Batman beats no one

Not following your train of thought on that one. Because he loses a majority  against Wolverine and Black Panther... he beats... no one? Say whaaaaaaa? 
 
@cameron83  said: 

@Alexander505 said:

#2: To give Black Panther the edge in intelligence is an insult to Batman's history as a tactical genius

That's true.

not only that,but to give black panther the edge in gadgets as well,is also an insult.Basically I feel that this entire article was an insult to him.And I've seen batman tech that barely scrapes the surface that would make T'challa's head spin,especially since he is the master of gadgetry.Well basically,I feel that,because of his statistics and feats,etc,batman should've won this with ease,so I personally feel that this was an insult to batman.Although,that's what I think,surely few would disagree.


I'm sorry you feel this is an "insult" to Batman, but it I can't agree at all with you saying Batman wins with "ease."  As for why, I feel as though I elaborated more than enough in the feature, sir ;) 
 
@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek  said: 

I agree. Black Panther's equipment gives too much of an edge for me, and T'Challa is only slightly inferior to Bruce in terms of fighting skills.

Also, is there a thread for Does Batman Always Win? suggestions, or do I just put them in here?


Cool, thanks! And link is provided before the signature (I know I already told you, but this might help others). 
 
@DarkKnightDetective  said: 

@Logan Reilly said:

Except Hulk. Hulk is strongest there is. And God, because... well, he's God.

Superman is stronger than Hulk.

@k4tzm4n: Great article!

You should do Batman vs Daredevil up next.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe :D 
  
 @jashro44  said: 

The underestimation of black panther in these comments is almost painful to me...I am fine if you think batman would win (I personally disagree...) but are people seriously calling it an insult that black panther has comparable intelligence to batman?

Well, perhaps you can share additional scans here to help expand everyone's knowledge ;) 
 
@batshrine  said: 

@god_spawn@k4tzm4n:

First of all I didn't mean to sound like I am insulting your judgement k4tzm4n, or your experience since I am well aware you know WAY more than the seasoned reader, and definitely more than me. In fact I love reading your articles. I am just saying if you are closely attached to a subject, bias can happen. And the nature of the commentary is to show that Batman doesn't always win, which is an inherent bias.

Now I am also not saying there are better people out there to write these articles. And god_spawn you put a good point that hardcore fans shouldn't be used but experts. And I agree whole heartedly. But to get a balanced evaluation it is wiser (not saying you have the time for this) to get input from other experts as well in their fields individually.

And a neutral person ideally is someone that doesn't know anything about the two characters, and logically use the information provided to see what is actually the outcome. Kind of like a prosecution, defense, and judge relationship.

Thank you. I certainly understand why you think that, but I can assure you that the point of this isn't to prove  Batman doesn't always win... it's to simply see how he performs against characters in other universes. I hope this doesn't sound rude, but it should be common sense that he'll lose some and he'll win some, but my objective is to at least select matches that are fun to think about, regardless of the winner.  Any reasonable person knows the "Does Batman Always Win?" is simply joking phrase and not to be taken seriously. And, I'm only using characters that I consider myself to be an expert on, that way I can provide a (hopefully) educated and fair opinion each and every time. While your idea certainly sounds like a cool concept, it would be really be a pain to execute. Maybe it's a good idea for the battle threads, though ;) 
 
@MuyJingo  said: 

@k4tzm4n: OK, thanks, I missed it somehow


No problem. 
 
@SexualLobster  said: 

I think Daredevil or Spider-Man should be next. But Spider-Man honestly would wreck him, especially now with spider-ock.


Daredevil might appear sooner or later... 
 
@desmond006  said: 

I agree with this article.


Thanks for reading this. 
 
@Vincie_Pooh  said: 

If Batman can beat Superman, he can win and take out Black panther in a fight.


Batman only "beat" him with prep and in an alternate universe.  This is a random encounter and he doesn't have that armor ;)   
 
@The_Vein  said: 
I'm glad to see someone taking an honest approach to who Batman could actually beat or lose against. The whole "Batman always wins" thing is so tired.

Thank you.  Doing my best to keep it as honest as possible with each one! 
  
@CharlyR  said: 

Between this and the new avengers, I really want to read more about Black Panther.

Any suggestions anyone ?


I'd say make a thread asking for stories in the following link and I'm sure you'll get a whole variety of 'em! 
 
http://www.comicvine.com/black-panther/29-1477/ 
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Posted by Dud317

If you have to argue against whether Batman always wins, with a monthly article called "Does Batman Always Win?", then I think you answered your own question, rendering it moot and paradoxical. Great Scott!

Posted by Shadowsnake89

Black Panther wins. I know a lot of people have respect for Batman but this is a battle I don't think he could win. T'Challa is a strategic genius as well but I do think he's morals and technology are where he takes this fight.

Edited by PopRock123

Batman is like the coolest comic book character ever he can win but I give the edge to Black Panther because of his moral standing even though I don't really like him as a character.

Posted by secondfallen616

Please....T'challa is awesome no doubt, but........yeh......Bruce would wipe the floor with Panthers' tail then buy all his inventions and give them away for free, thats the kinda guy Bruce is.

"T'challa, i came to Wakanda for 2 reasons only, to kick some ass and buy some Vibranium.....i see you're out of Vibranium so leaves one thing left undone.......KAAAAAAA-POWWWW!

Posted by cameron83

@k4tzm4n: well honestly,I didn't really mean that he wins with ease,but as much as I love T'challa and MARVEL,I strongly think batman was underestimated in this one (in tech,which i think is the winning factor for bats).Especially in tech.Don't get me wrong,great article,and I love T'challa,but I think Bruce should've won,especially in tech on this one.I mean,batman has more than just Kevlar,and his suit is bulletproof and knifeproof.He has energy shields,can see the EM spectrum (to counteract invisibility),and has a teleporter on his belt hooked up to the JL satellite,(he built the teleporter). Sorry if I came off rude in my earlier posts,but I feel that even the old batman had tech to rival and even exceed that of T'challa's. In some cases,his cape was bullet proof,and his suit could take hits from super powered OMACS and superman and solomon grundy,was insulated and could redirect electricity,etc..I feel that batman should've taken the tech part without really being THAT close,being the master of gadgetry and all.But still,I am a T'challa fan,and know not to underestimate him and his awesome tech,and feel that he and iron man have comparable tech (i sincerely mean that),but I feel compared to batman,there is nothing new to his tech,being that batman already has it.I just feel that his tech wasn't really taken into account fairly,that's my only complaint...the tech.Still an awesome article and segment,maybe you can do spiderman next (I think that at the very least,it's a tie for them).But T'challa,without a doubt,takes it in physical attributes.And mentality.

just look at these for me,please,please:

my favorite thread on CV,besides batman's page:

http://www.comicvine.com/batman/29-1699/new-52-batman-respect-thread-redone/92-690891/

http://batmanfeats.blogspot.com/

and

http://inglouriousgeek.wordpress.com/2012/07/14/dark-knight-week-the-top-ten-batman-toys/

this is why I think batman should've taken it in tech,although I know T'challa's is pretty affective,but recently,batman's been amped in tech.Even old batman had gadetry built into his suit that would give iron man a run for his money.

But this is just why I think on the tech part,every thing else is great.But I think that I might have to give the intelligence to batman (this was a close one for me) being the greatest detective and tactician in the world.I mean,he's outsmarted guy's like Darkseid,hacked into alien (kryptonian) ships,learned kryptonian rather quickly,built his own boom tube gauntlet,etc...

but still,I know and love T'challa,but due to that I still think batman should've taken it in that part,and even the fight.Sorry for sounding like an excessive,arrogant,ignorant,whiny fanboy earlier.Awesome article!

Posted by Stormbox

@cameron83 said:

I am MARVEL fan,I am also,only thing I like from DC,a batman fan.

Do you really need to post this in every thread youre in?

Seriously

Posted by cameron83

@Stormbox said:

@cameron83 said:

I am MARVEL fan,I am also,only thing I like from DC,a batman fan.

Do you really need to post this in every thread youre in?

Seriously

really?

I don't think I posted it in every thread,I've only started posting it in recent threads,and I stated it here so people don't think "batman fanboy,obviously going to stick up for batman"...but I've only started posting in recent threads,and not even that much...Damn,did I really post it that much,though?!

Posted by mightypug78

but in a mano to mano fight with no armor or gear, batman would win.

Posted by Gritterr

Mmmmmm this thread is delicious. The bat fanboy tears give me sustenance. This thread has brought to light how truly ignorant people are of Black Panther.

Posted by 202122

hooray for T'Challa take that Bruce and fans

Posted by WaveMotionCannon

BP wins get off the Batd_____!!

Posted by WaveMotionCannon
@soir8

@usabfb: The problem is he'd need to take the time to discover that weakness, and then it would be very dificult to exploit effectively given how T'Chala is an extremely skilled combatant. In the meantime, Batman's armour is completely useless against Black Panther's weapons.

The article quite accurately gives Black Panther the advantage in everything but intelligence and skill, and the skill part is very debatable. I'd have said it was completely fair to call them even in terms of skill. Then, on top of that, he's got enhanced physical abilities, much better armour and superior technology.

THIS 2X