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Does Batman Always Win? Batman vs. Black Panther

Will The Dark Knight defeat Black Panther? Come find out what we think!

We've all seen the memes or heard the jokes before... Batman always wins. Why? Because he's Batman! As funny as this tends to be, I thought I'd turn it into a monthly segment to test that statement out. Batman obviously doesn't always win, but I thought it would be fun to see who he could defeat in fair, one on one battles with fellow street level characters that aren't from his universe.

To make sure the segment is always neutral, the match will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting (at night but city lights are on). They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think will take the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all Pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).

So far, I've placed The Dark Knight against Captain America (stalemate) and Wolverine (The X-Man wins). Now he's going face-to-face with a character drastically similar to him in a lot of regards -- Black Panther!

Credit: Rafael Neko Tumblr

This is usually where I break the segment up into three parts. I'd have one for Batman's advantages, one for Black Panther's advantages and then the verdict. However, in this case they are shockingly similar in so many elements and I feel it would be easiest to discuss these matters together. I'll bold and underline key points, too.

Hand-to-hand Skill

Both of these characters deserve praise for their technique and knowledge of martial arts and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Batman is a confirmed master of 127 different styles and has held his own or flat-out defeated some of the best street levelers in his universe. He's also embarrassed Nightwing and has overcome ridiculous amounts of enemies (BATMAN #16, for a recent example). He's no stranger to using nerve strikes (Solomon Grundy) and his peak human condition in combination with his skill allows him to give characters physically superior to him a tough time (Deathstroke, for example).

Meanwhile, T'Challa is often underrated when it comes to his effectiveness in this regard. AVX: VS #5 confirmed he's studied every fighting style in the world and, just like his opponent, knows how to use precision against physically superior characters. He's dropped Luke Cage, taken down Karnak, fought evenly and defeated Steve Rogers, and has brutally defeated a Super Skrull which had a wide variety of effective talents (Bullseye, Captain America, Elektra, Shang-Chi, and even T'Challa's).

These two are very close in this regard and I'd warrant a slight edge to Batman due to a more impressive selection of feats throughout his extensive history.

Equipment

I'll just come out and say it: I'm giving this edge to Black Panther. Batman has a huge assortment of of offensive and defensive gear at his disposal. Electric, gas, explosive, incendiary and cryo is barely scratching the surface of what Wayne can throw T'Challa's way, but ultimately, I don't believe they'll overcome the advantages Black Panther's vibranium armor provides. It grants a huge amount of protection against blunt trauma, stabbing damage (though cuts can penetrate if they go along the seams), and defend against the other attacks Batman has in his belt. As you can see in the image provided, Black Panther easily withstood a lightning strike from Storm, has endured hits from powerhouses including Hulk and Iron Man, taken volley of Iron Fist's chi-backed punches, and was perfectly fine after being shot by numerous assault rifles at point blank range. It goes without saying that his armor is quite protective.

Keep in mind, this is only addressing his durability against Wayne's attacks so far. When it comes to his offensive capabilities, T'Challa has deadly energy daggers and anti-metal claws which would absolutely tear through the Dark Knight's kevlar if it connects. The Marvel hero's boots allow him to withstand falls from greater heights and in a city setting that's definitely going to come in hand if a fight reaches a rooftop. Furtheremore, in NEW AVENGERS #1 we saw T'Challa has cloaking, teleporation and an energy shield. Wayne certainly brings a lot to the table, but in my opinion, T'Challa's goodies are simply more effective and provide just as much offensive and defensive variety in this case.

Mentality

Both are considered to be among the top human minds on their planet. The Caped Crusader is dubbed the greatest detective and T'Challa has a spot on the Iluminati for a reason (or at least was offered it). Both are masters of prep time, but since this is a random encounter, their absurdly good feats in this factor are really just moot points here.

What this comes down to is how both will act in this specific scenario and if either has the advantage when it comes to a tactical mindset. In that regard, I'd say both are roughly even. Both have the skill and intellect required to see subtle openings in their styles and are more than observant enough to not fall for obvious traps or tricks. However, when it comes to how far they'll go, I'd say T'Challa is the more brutal one. Wayne shocked me when he recently put a grappling line through Scarecrow's jaw, but T'Challa is a man that has no gripe ripping out eyes (Super Skrull) and, in NEW AVENGERS #1 (pictured above), he "basically ripped a dude in half" according to writer Jonathan Hickman.

Physicals

If this was made several months ago then they would be even in this regard. T'Challa was peak human while leaping around Matt Murdock's turf... but unfortunately for Batman, I'm making this feature now and Black Panther has once again been upgraded to above peak human (King of the Dead). T'Challa is now at least enhanced when it comes to his physicals, therefore he he takes this advantage. This isn't a huge advantage, though, since Batman has trained thoroughly enough to reach peak human condition.

The Verdict

So does Batman always win against Black Panther? In a random one on one fight, I think Black Panther would take the edge. Out of 10 fights, I'd probably grant him 6-7 hard fought victories over DC's Caped Crusader. Batman has the skill to eventually defeat him in unarmed combat, but sadly for him, this isn't unarmed combat. And while Bruce does have plenty of gear on his side, it'll take a lot to keep the Avenger down. It'll be a lengthy and brutal battle, but I see T'Challa's durability being the game changer.

There's now an official discussion thread for this monthly segment! Go there to make suggestions for future combatants (they need to be non-DC and street level!) and provide feedback!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. When he's not lurking around Comic Vine (which is rare), you can find him on Twitter.

434 Comments
Posted by GodDamnIronMan

Why Black Panther gets so little vote? His physical is no doubt superior than The Dark Knight ...

and he is as smart as Batman, and he is smarter than him in some areas like Science and techs.

I don't understand why people think that Batman will finds BP's weakness and explode them, while BP just fooling around.

Posted by pspin

Black Panther hands down. Besides having superior gear, he is a genious and a brilliant fighter.

Edited by diarraharris3

I get the feeling why so many people think Batman will win is because they know nothing about Black Panther. T'challa is Batman but on a totally different level. Even if Bruce has time to prepare it wouldn't be an advantage. T'challa will do the same thing. Also he's more sane a king of his own country that has a mixture of science and magic so he has more access to a larger arsenal. He is a better tactician and one of the smartest people in the world. The reason why he won't win a fight is because in the court of popular opinion noone knows much about him. "Black Panther yeah he's that dude in a black mask right?" ugh.

Posted by serpent222

Question on this matter: Is Batman being matched up with exclusively marvel people for this, or will we see some other characters he's never matched with thrown in?

And, honestly, while I agree with Panther and Wolverine, I'm not sure how much I can support this until Batman gets a win. If it's Batman versus exclusively Marvel people and he loses every bout, I feel like that's just due to marvel favoritism. And I am admittedly a little irked that he was deemed a draw with Captain America when Batman beat him in a crossover.

Posted by karrob

@jynxjaguar said:

I know everybody loves Batman, and I do too, but no one is giving the Panther a shot because he's not as well known or popular. Yeah, Batman's got mad skills that he's been working on since he was twelve or so. T'Challa's been doing this ALL HIS LIFE. Even putting that aside, here's a good thought. Both of them are masters of many forms of martial arts, but the Panther's armor is superior for absorbing blows and he's covered head to toe. Batman leaves his mouth and jaw exposed, which is exploitable. And the Panther's arsenal is fairly compact. Batman doesn't carry every single bat-gadget he has on him at all times, and this match is an unplanned encounter. Planned, Yeah, I think Batman would edge the Panther out. He's just got too many different gadgets for taking out specific opponents. That and I think that T'Challa also has fighting styles learned from battling Wakanda's wild animals that might throw Batman off his game long enough to exploit that unprotected jaw. Oh, and check your comics history guys: the Panther in the Marvel Universe is considered to be one of the 8 smartest people on the planet and he carries the accumulated knowledge of all the past Panthers. He's a match for the Bat in intellect.

@Zeeguy91 said:

While I do like Batman much more than the Black Panther, even I have to admit that BP would probably take the victory in a fight. Bruce and T'Challa are probably almost equal in actual hand-to-hand skill, with Bruce taking a slight edge in that category. However, T'Challa has the wisdom and guidance of past generations of Black Panther. That could give him some sort of ability to either predict or neutralize Bruce's moves. Unless Bruce had prep time or already had a way to neutralize that, T'Challa would probably win.
Posted by evilvegeta74

Well this isn't gonna go over well.

Posted by Barkley

at least this can go either way...I always think Batman can beat Superman or Sliver Surfer or Galactus...I think Batman fans are the problem they think Batman is cool so his coolness wins.....Ironman could kill Batman with one repulsor blast and Tony Stark doesn't need fans to be cool he already knows he is

Edited by k4tzm4n
@serpent222: Batman beat him in the crossover because of the environment (sewer flooded). Prior to that, they were evenly matched. 
  And no, this isn't only Marvel characters. The only restrictions are they must be non-DC and street level. Why non-DC? Because it's more interesting to speculate how a truly random encounter would go down where neither character has immediate knowledge.  

If you really think he's losing due to "Marvel favoritism," then I'd have to request for you to re-read the features and show me where I'm being unfair against The Dark Knight. If you think having these characters he's fighting is unfair, then I'd say be more active when it comes to deciding the next character.  VS Cap was obvious for a first pick, but using Wolverine and Black Panther were choices both made by overwhelming votes and requests from the community. My personal preference plays no role in these breakdowns whatsoever. It's not about who I want to win, it's who I think would win in this scenario.  
 
This segment is still young and we've only seen 3 matches. Will he win some narrowly in the future? Absolutely. Will he flat-out own some in the future? Sure. Just because his record isn't ideal now doesn't mean that's the status quo. He'll win some, he'll lose some. Captain America is most definitely the only stalemate I can think of, though.
Posted by serpent222

@k4tzm4n: Just the fact that it's not going to be exclusively Marvel characters alleviates my concern, actually. Like I said, I agree with Wolverine (which I don't think would even be remotely close, and I hate Wolverine) and Panther, and it's very easy to see that he'd stalemate with Cap.

Posted by MuyJingo

You said it is possible for the community to vote on who batman goes up against in these articles. How do we do that?

Posted by krauser99

 

For the record the time BP defeated Steve was when Cap was still recovering from his Civil War injuries as per stated by BP in the book.  I notice a lot of BP fans posting that pic of BP over Cap ready to step on his head.

They fought another time in CoC2 and Cap won.  But again both were handicapped as not 100 percent in that as well.

Posted by batshrine

So I do enjoy reading these but I am finding this to be inherently flawed. I know you are trying to not be biased but it is almost impossible to eliminate bias. And here is the main reason why:

The inspiration of these articles are to explore whether Batman always wins or not. The problem is you are fighting against the statement that Batman always wins. So you are going to lean towards Batman losing (even if mentally you are thinking that you have to keep yourself in check).

A much better and accurate way to write this is to have a (or a team of) Batman hardcore fans provide evidence on why Batman would beat whoever. And also then get hardcore Wolverine, Captain America, or Black Panther fans give their evidence on why they think Batman would lose. Then you have a neutral person (preferably someone who doesn't know much about either of those characters) to analyse who would win. You can still write the article but base it off all of that. Then you eliminate your biases and your articles would hold more credibility.

Posted by k4tzm4n
@MuyJingo said:

@k4tzm4n You said it is possible for the community to vote on who batman goes up against in these articles. How do we do that?

The link is provided at the bottom of the feature. 
(It's the official discussion thread for this ongoing feature)
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@batshrine said:

@k4tzm4n So I do enjoy reading these but I am finding this to be inherently flawed. I know you are trying to not be biased but it is almost impossible to eliminate bias. And here is the main reason why:

The inspiration of these articles are to explore whether Batman always wins or not. The problem is you are fighting against the statement that Batman always wins. So you are going to lean towards Batman losing (even if mentally you are thinking that you have to keep yourself in check).

A much better and accurate way to write this is to have a (or a team of) Batman hardcore fans provide evidence on why Batman would beat whoever. And also then get hardcore Wolverine, Captain America, or Black Panther fans give their evidence on why they think Batman would lose. Then you have a neutral person (preferably someone who doesn't know much about either of those characters) to analyse who would win. You can still write the article but base it off all of that. Then you eliminate your biases and your articles would hold more credibility.

Sorry, but I strongly disagree with this.  
 
As someone who has spent plenty of time over on the Battles Forum (3+ years, actually.. and my ability to keep an open mind can be backed by many here), I can confidently tell you that bias doesn't take place. If it did, it would be in favor of Batman because I do indeed like him more than the characters selected so far. Clearly, that's not the case and I'm not making him lose in an attempt to prove otherwise, either. I'm looking at all of the attributes and feats that I believe are important and then comparing and contrasting. There's no preference involved.  Anyone with all of the facts at hand likely agrees that -- in this scenario-- vs Cap is incredibly close or a stalemate, Wolverine wins, and no matter who wins this one, it's incredibly close (I happen to side with Black Panther, obviously, but a reasonable argument could be made for Wayne, despite me disagreeing).
 
I'm not "fighting against" the statement "Does Batman Always Win?" nor am I "leaning towards him losing." That's simply the title I came up with and thought it was catchy/fitting. The segment needed a title and I thought that was a funny choice. It has no role whatsoever. Everyone (everyone logical, that is) knows Batman doesn't always win; so it's not a secret or surprise if he does. The title has no influence on my breakdown nor do I go into this with my mind already made up. I weigh every option I can and the end result is what you see here. I do my best to be fair and do justice to both combatants each and every time. At the end of the day, it's just my thoughts on how Batman would compare to other street levels in this scenario. Nothing more, nothing less.    
 
If you disagree with my outcomes, then that's perfectly fine. You have every right to have your own opinion. But, and I don't mean to be rude or arrogant here, I'm not concerned when it comes you thinking this feature suffers from "bias" or "credibility" here. I've done my research over the years and do even more to double check everything before making each of these.  Like I said, I firmly believe I represented each well and I'm pleased with the end result. Apologies if you're not, but hey, can't please everyone, right?
Edited by batman11223

One of batmans greatests qualities and abilities is his ability to prepare for a fight. I believe if these two were to encounter once than black panther would probably win. But every time after that batman would take victory

Edited by texasdeathmatch
I'm unemployed but this is how I think you should do your job, k4tzman.
Posted by texasdeathmatch

Also, sweet VS graphic.

Posted by Decoy Elite

Great rundown as always K4tz, and as usual I gotta agree with you on the winner here. BP's just got too much going on that gives him the edge.

Posted by k4tzm4n
@texasdeathmatch said:
Also, sweet VS graphic.
:D 
 
@Decoy Elite said:

Great rundown as always K4tz, and as usual I gotta agree with you on the winner here. BP's just got too much going on that gives him the edge.

Thank you!  Honestly, I was surprised T'Challa received the most votes. I really expected Daredevil to take the majority of votes.
Posted by conradoaccorsi

Please Batman would win he would use smoke bombs to distact him so he can take him down with nerve attacks paralising him.

Posted by Decoy Elite

@k4tzm4n: Same here honestly, I voted for DD as well. But I think most people decided that fight was already pretty obviously a win for Bats and thus went with BP who was a more questionable opponent.

Or maybe BP just has more fans on the site now.

Posted by BatWatch

No disagreements from me...though I do not know much about T'Challa.

Posted by k4tzm4n
@BatWatch said:

No disagreements from me...though I do not know much about T'Challa.

Well, I hope this feature at least taught you a bit about him :D
Edited by Zeeguy91
Posted by sentryman555

I agree with the outcome but it makes me wonder what exactly is Batman's standard gear. The only thing is I wish you would go more into detail about how Batman would use his equipment against Black Panther and vice versa. The way you make it sound is Batman is just gonna throw his shock bombs and stuff directly at BP the whole time. Surely after he sees its not gonna work he'd try something else? Like you could show how he's used his gear in the past a bit more.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous
@Alexander505 said:

Similar? Black Panther is a copy of Batman XD

And Batman is a copy of Black Bat/Doc Savage/Zorro/The Shadow 
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Posted by Differentology

Batman wins because Batman carries cat nip!

Posted by Lvenger

@k4tzm4n: So glad you're doing this as a monthly thing! The battle forums aren't the same without you and here at least we get a glimpse of your street level prowess. No arguments from me on the verdict, thoroughly analysed as it was. T'Challa should definitely be able to beat Batman due to his greater weaponry, equal fighting skills and enhanced stats! Awesome article!

Posted by Super_SoldierXII

I'd go so far as to say modern day Black Panther is easily as tough a fight for Batman as Wolverine given the tech and recent enhancements.

Posted by MrShway88

You insult Batman with this article.

Posted by God_Spawn
@batshrine:  
I think your way is incredibly flawed. 
 You use only hardcore fans and you only get biased results. The unbiased person won't even know what is right and wrong.  
You take hardcore fans and all you get is extreme biased results. You will have Batman fans only picking high end feats and then having the other side doing the same while providing nothing but low end feats for counters. Batfans will be cherry picking reasons why he wins. You will just get a bunch "Oh, Batman has this, this, and this, in his utility belt. He will just spam sonics and cryo pellets at said character because he has them" without taking into account the morality and characteristics of said character. And then they might say "Well, Batman took a hit from Darkseid. Captain America is no threat" and ignore context behind it. Then they lowball the other character. "Shang-Chi embarrassed Wolverine and Mr. X knocked him out hahaahah!!" and again ignores context and consistency. Then the Wolverine fans would take out of context and not always scans and reach and say "Wolverine broked Hulk's nose and wtf kicked Abomination. I saw dis on da internet. Batmanz getz the trouble with that red ded roben dude!!" Ignores context and consistency. Wolverine has soaked blows from class 100's more often than he has been KO'd by weaker people. Batman cannot take a hit from Hulk, a legit one, and still be standing let alone Darkseid. Especially when he was visibly damaged by Jason Todd or mopped around by Deathstroke and shown to be able to KO'd by other characters with peak human-enhanced strength constantly. And Wolverine won't just be breaking Batman's hand because Bruce punches him in the face. Batman is a man and fans seem to forget that yet they will just cherrypick away. And then the Wolverine fans argue that Wolverine is superior in skillz for the 100+ years of training. While, Wolverine is one of Marvel's best, he is not consistently using his skills and that is a point that will be overlooked by said biased fans but he has used his skill plenty of times which will be lowballed by the opposite side. And all the neutral party reads is biased answers of cherrypicked statements just to overshadow consistency and find attempts to low ball characters while overglorifying their own. 
 
It is just a bunch of nonsense. K4tz is unbiased. I have seen him in the battle forums for the past 2 years I've been on this site and unlike the typical fans here, he gets paid to make these articles and read comics. He at least has one Batman comic in some segment every week since he became a staff member and knows plenty about Batman.  There is a difference between an expert and a hardcore fan so I'd rather take the expert who gets paid to do things like this vs a bunch of hardcore fans cherry picking what material they ever feel like without being consistent which K4tz has done with their respective disadvantages. He isn't finding ways to make Batman lose, he's simply making a respectable opinion by weight advantages and personalities and characteristics of said characters. Something the unbiased party will not be able to get.
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Posted by TylerTheDestroyer

@jynxjaguar: Man i agree completely Batman is my all time favorite DC hero and Blackpanther is my all time marvel hero (with the exception of Hawkeye) These can beat practically everyone in there universe. There both vastly intelligent masters at God knows how many martial arts, these characters are so big they cant even exist in the same universe (dramatically speaking of course) and Batman is tactical genius, not to say Blackpanther isn't he is a king after all and kings tend to know a thing or two about tactics.So this fight goes to Blackpanther pretty cool now id like to see Batman go up against his biggest threat yet.......Squirrel girl lol!!

Posted by Ganthetsward20

I honestly think Black Panther would give Batman a beating like no other within a couple of mins.

Posted by Mezmero

I agree. T'Challa just comes from stronger genes. The Black Panthers are trained to be kings and warriors for generations. The Waynes have good hearts and minds for business but Bruce and Demian seem like the only badasses of the whole bloodline. Bruce owes everything he is to money and obsession. Have you done Batman vs Moon Knight yet? I'd like to see which crazy person is crazier.

Posted by MSchiwal

I agree with this one... normally I would give even odds on Batman but after T'Challa became the king of the dead and inherited the skills of all the previous Black Panthers? Yeah, maybe Bruce could have taken T'Challa and his skills... he could never take the skills of all the Panthers incarnate in one man.

Posted by GodDamnIronMan

@k4tzm4n: Is there anyway you can do a "Deathstroke vs Black Panther" thread like this?

Posted by BlackPan1her

@Super_SoldierXII said:

I'd go so far as to say modern day Black Panther is easily as tough a fight for Batman as Wolverine given the tech and recent enhancements.

I completely agree.

Posted by BlackPan1her

@Alexander505 said:

Similar? Black Panther is a copy of Batman XD

Black Panther may look a lot like Batman with the suit and all but they are very different characters with different mindsets and weapons.

Posted by Squares

I agree completely. You made your points very well, too.

Posted by nappystr8

I have to agree, T'Challa wins this one. It would be amazingly close, but T'Challa's stronger, faster, and has more resources at his disposal.

Posted by BlackPan1her

@Reignmaker said:

Black Panther beats pretty much ANY street-level superhero...according to the Comic Vine battle forums. -_-

As a big fan of the Wakandan Warrior, that's pretty awesome! :D

Posted by namtabmi

Decent points, as they are now T'Challa edges it, BUT I'd like to think it would be in Batman's favour if T'Challa wasn't king of the dead. ( Batman fan =D )

Posted by entropy_aegis

Questions:

If T'Challa has the power of all the previous dead Panthers then surely his physicals would be well beyond super human?

How does vibranium fair against ice and magnetic devices? Batman is unlikely to use them but the option is there.

Posted by Bobsjonjon

Love these scenarios ....

Posted by Bobsjonjon

...but Bats beats Supes he should crush BP.

Posted by Decoy Elite

@Bobsjonjon said:

...but Bats beats Supes he should crush BP.

Batman has never beaten Superman in canon.

Posted by Decoy Elite

@Decoy Elite said:

@Bobsjonjon said:

...but Bats beats Supes he should crush BP.

Batman has never beaten Superman in canon.

Also, random encounter. No prep for the prep god.

Posted by new_onslaught

@k4tzm4n:In the case of BP an airstrike won't kill him. The guy can take a hit from the Hulk due to his suit. So an airstrike might be what Batman needs to win. :p

Posted by Walzo

I dare anyone to debate against K4 and win.

I DARE YOU.

Posted by herrweis

I agree with the article.Panther wins.Batman is intimidating,but I personally feel that if he goes up against someone with that killer instinct he gets his ass handed to him.That is his weakness.To me that is why characters like Wonder Woman,Deathstroke, Lady Shiva Bronze Tiger, Wolverine,Panther will always come out on top.