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Does Batman Always Win? Batman vs. Black Panther

Will The Dark Knight defeat Black Panther? Come find out what we think!

We've all seen the memes or heard the jokes before... Batman always wins. Why? Because he's Batman! As funny as this tends to be, I thought I'd turn it into a monthly segment to test that statement out. Batman obviously doesn't always win, but I thought it would be fun to see who he could defeat in fair, one on one battles with fellow street level characters that aren't from his universe.

To make sure the segment is always neutral, the match will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting (at night but city lights are on). They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think will take the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all Pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).

So far, I've placed The Dark Knight against Captain America (stalemate) and Wolverine (The X-Man wins). Now he's going face-to-face with a character drastically similar to him in a lot of regards -- Black Panther!

Credit: Rafael Neko Tumblr

This is usually where I break the segment up into three parts. I'd have one for Batman's advantages, one for Black Panther's advantages and then the verdict. However, in this case they are shockingly similar in so many elements and I feel it would be easiest to discuss these matters together. I'll bold and underline key points, too.

Hand-to-hand Skill

Both of these characters deserve praise for their technique and knowledge of martial arts and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Batman is a confirmed master of 127 different styles and has held his own or flat-out defeated some of the best street levelers in his universe. He's also embarrassed Nightwing and has overcome ridiculous amounts of enemies (BATMAN #16, for a recent example). He's no stranger to using nerve strikes (Solomon Grundy) and his peak human condition in combination with his skill allows him to give characters physically superior to him a tough time (Deathstroke, for example).

Meanwhile, T'Challa is often underrated when it comes to his effectiveness in this regard. AVX: VS #5 confirmed he's studied every fighting style in the world and, just like his opponent, knows how to use precision against physically superior characters. He's dropped Luke Cage, taken down Karnak, fought evenly and defeated Steve Rogers, and has brutally defeated a Super Skrull which had a wide variety of effective talents (Bullseye, Captain America, Elektra, Shang-Chi, and even T'Challa's).

These two are very close in this regard and I'd warrant a slight edge to Batman due to a more impressive selection of feats throughout his extensive history.

Equipment

I'll just come out and say it: I'm giving this edge to Black Panther. Batman has a huge assortment of of offensive and defensive gear at his disposal. Electric, gas, explosive, incendiary and cryo is barely scratching the surface of what Wayne can throw T'Challa's way, but ultimately, I don't believe they'll overcome the advantages Black Panther's vibranium armor provides. It grants a huge amount of protection against blunt trauma, stabbing damage (though cuts can penetrate if they go along the seams), and defend against the other attacks Batman has in his belt. As you can see in the image provided, Black Panther easily withstood a lightning strike from Storm, has endured hits from powerhouses including Hulk and Iron Man, taken volley of Iron Fist's chi-backed punches, and was perfectly fine after being shot by numerous assault rifles at point blank range. It goes without saying that his armor is quite protective.

Keep in mind, this is only addressing his durability against Wayne's attacks so far. When it comes to his offensive capabilities, T'Challa has deadly energy daggers and anti-metal claws which would absolutely tear through the Dark Knight's kevlar if it connects. The Marvel hero's boots allow him to withstand falls from greater heights and in a city setting that's definitely going to come in hand if a fight reaches a rooftop. Furtheremore, in NEW AVENGERS #1 we saw T'Challa has cloaking, teleporation and an energy shield. Wayne certainly brings a lot to the table, but in my opinion, T'Challa's goodies are simply more effective and provide just as much offensive and defensive variety in this case.

Mentality

Both are considered to be among the top human minds on their planet. The Caped Crusader is dubbed the greatest detective and T'Challa has a spot on the Iluminati for a reason (or at least was offered it). Both are masters of prep time, but since this is a random encounter, their absurdly good feats in this factor are really just moot points here.

What this comes down to is how both will act in this specific scenario and if either has the advantage when it comes to a tactical mindset. In that regard, I'd say both are roughly even. Both have the skill and intellect required to see subtle openings in their styles and are more than observant enough to not fall for obvious traps or tricks. However, when it comes to how far they'll go, I'd say T'Challa is the more brutal one. Wayne shocked me when he recently put a grappling line through Scarecrow's jaw, but T'Challa is a man that has no gripe ripping out eyes (Super Skrull) and, in NEW AVENGERS #1 (pictured above), he "basically ripped a dude in half" according to writer Jonathan Hickman.

Physicals

If this was made several months ago then they would be even in this regard. T'Challa was peak human while leaping around Matt Murdock's turf... but unfortunately for Batman, I'm making this feature now and Black Panther has once again been upgraded to above peak human (King of the Dead). T'Challa is now at least enhanced when it comes to his physicals, therefore he he takes this advantage. This isn't a huge advantage, though, since Batman has trained thoroughly enough to reach peak human condition.

The Verdict

So does Batman always win against Black Panther? In a random one on one fight, I think Black Panther would take the edge. Out of 10 fights, I'd probably grant him 6-7 hard fought victories over DC's Caped Crusader. Batman has the skill to eventually defeat him in unarmed combat, but sadly for him, this isn't unarmed combat. And while Bruce does have plenty of gear on his side, it'll take a lot to keep the Avenger down. It'll be a lengthy and brutal battle, but I see T'Challa's durability being the game changer.

There's now an official discussion thread for this monthly segment! Go there to make suggestions for future combatants (they need to be non-DC and street level!) and provide feedback!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. When he's not lurking around Comic Vine (which is rare), you can find him on Twitter.

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Edited by MyronLee26

@moon_bat_87:

Cool. Excepted. Panther used his contingency plans to weakened Silver Surfer and defeat Mephisto, defeated Iron Man when both had prep time, and defeated / killed a Super Skrull that had Luke Cage's strength and durability, Iron Fist's chi manipulation, Bullseye's accuracy, Wolverine's claws, and the combined fighting skills of himself, Captain America, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Elektra, and Shang-Chi by noticing the Skrull had tells as his weakness on the fly.

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@moon_bat_87:

Cool. Excepted. Panther used his contingency plans to weakened Silver Surfer and defeat Mephisto, defeated Iron Man when both had prep time, and defeated / killed a Super Skrull that had Luke Cage's strength and durability, Iron Fist's chi manipulation, Bullseye's accuracy, Wolverine's claws, and the combined fighting skills of himself, Captain America, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Elektra, and Shang-Chi by noticing the Skrull had tells as his weakness on the fly.

Batman has developed ways to defeat and subdue essentially every hero and villain in his universe also. He has defeated several of them using these contingency plans. He has taken down Manhunters, Kryptonian Drones, Parademons, Doomsday Clones, figured out how to bring down Konvikt, is largely responsible for beating the White Martians, The General (Wade Eiling), Titus and even Orion. Batman also frequently figures out how to use, manipulate and replicate alien technology. Batman is constantly recognized as the JLA's greatest tactical leader and strategist.

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@moon_bat_87:

Black Panther created the Nowhere Room, a creation of technology and magic that uses quantum physics to allow instant teleportation across time, alternate and parallel universes.

He once created a device in 10 minutes that was capable of shutting down psionic abilities.

Designed the first Avengers Quinjet.

And also stated that he is capable of creating an "Iron Man" suit of his own.

Posted by novi_homines

@moon_bat_87:

Black Panther created the Nowhere Room, a creation of technology and magic that uses quantum physics to allow instant teleportation across time, alternate and parallel universes.

He once created a device in 10 minutes that was capable of shutting down psionic abilities.

Designed the first Avengers Quinjet.

And also stated that he is capable of creating an "Iron Man" suit of his own.

O_O

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@myronlee26 said:

@moon_bat_87:

Black Panther created the Nowhere Room, a creation of technology and magic that uses quantum physics to allow instant teleportation across time, alternate and parallel universes.

He once created a device in 10 minutes that was capable of shutting down psionic abilities.

Designed the first Avengers Quinjet.

And also stated that he is capable of creating an "Iron Man" suit of his own.

Well regarding the Quinjet, Batman has developed multiple vehicles including a Space Craft capable of long distance space flight. He has also designed multiple Bat-planes with various degrees of abilities and features.

Regarding the Iron Man Suit, Batman has developed and made use of armoured suits in multiple issues, and especially in the New 52. If we include alternative worlds, like Kingdom Come or the Other Alex Ross Batman, Batman has developed combat suits as well. Though none of them have the features that Stark's updated suits have, they show Batman's ability to create and use multiple types of suits. He has developed suits equal to Luthor's suits. Batman also once developed huge mechs using alien technology, as well as a another mech to fight Clayface. He also built the Insider Suit. And he developed a Superman armour. He can also reverse engineer nearly every DC villian's suits.

Regarding the Nowhere Room, I do not think I have a answer to that, other than Batman assisted in the design and construction of the Watchtower, and that includes its teleportation system. He also developed a teleporter that transported him and a few others into a secret satellite. He also knows how to operate Boom tube tech. He can also replicate or make use of Mr. Terrific, Mr. Miracle and Booster Gold's tech. He also fixed the JLA time machine.

Batman once disabled an advanced security network with what was essentially a cell phone. He has frequently made use of utility belt items and other tech on the spot to disable enemies or other tech.

Batman also developed Brother Eye and OMAC.

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once you fight black

you don't go back

Posted by Jameedodger1231

Black Panther is an African man that cannot talk.

Posted by MyronLee26

@jameedodger1231: that's Black Panther from the Ultimate universe, not from 616/Mainstream.

Posted by MyronLee26

@moon_bat_87:

His suit now comes with tech that enables him to teleport, turn invisible, and generates a force field.

Posted by Moon_Bat_87

@moon_bat_87:

His suit now comes with tech that enables him to teleport, turn invisible, and generates a force field.

Batman has the Insider suit.

Posted by Dbogan67theman

Black Panther will win. Since every writer has stated that Batman has learned 127 martial arts forms (I serious doubt the writers even practiced boxing to know it's impossible to learn that many, which comes mind there's many more being recognized as of this moment. It's comes down to keep each form from overlapping or overtaking one another. I've read, learned and even study twenty martial forms...and trust me, it will drive anyone crazy.) whereas the Panther has learned every martial arts forms around the world including those others completely unaccounted for from Africa. Yes, Africa. Secondly, Panther comes from a advance warrior race who's might even go toe to toe against the Kree. Forget about being the most advance race on Earth. Peak human performance...evenly match with one minor thing, Batman can get hurt and it takes a good while to heal, compare to the Panther who is over peak human (again). Brains department? Batman is concerned the most powerful thinker...so is the Panther and even more. It takes alot to run and protect a kingdom from all invaders. All sorts of tricks have to be made...Batman has never ever experience something like that. Which brings me back down to Batman's skills. Again, I think the writers here and DC should take into account there's no way a person can learn 127 martial arts forms. And one very important factor the writers here have overlooked again, Batman won't kill. Panther will kill if it's deed a necessary factor to win the fight. Point made...Panther.

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Posted by Moon_Bat_87

Black Panther will win. Since every writer has stated that Batman has learned 127 martial arts forms (I serious doubt the writers even practiced boxing to know it's impossible to learn that many, which comes mind there's many more being recognized as of this moment. It's comes down to keep each form from overlapping or overtaking one another. I've read, learned and even study twenty martial forms...and trust me, it will drive anyone crazy.) whereas the Panther has learned every martial arts forms around the world including those others completely unaccounted for from Africa. Yes, Africa. Secondly, Panther comes from a advance warrior race who's might even go toe to toe against the Kree. Forget about being the most advance race on Earth. Peak human performance...evenly match with one minor thing, Batman can get hurt and it takes a good while to heal, compare to the Panther who is over peak human (again). Brains department? Batman is concerned the most powerful thinker...so is the Panther and even more. It takes alot to run and protect a kingdom from all invaders. All sorts of tricks have to be made...Batman has never ever experience something like that. Which brings me back down to Batman's skills. Again, I think the writers here and DC should take into account there's no way a person can learn 127 martial arts forms. And one very important factor the writers here have overlooked again, Batman won't kill. Panther will kill if it's deed a necessary factor to win the fight. Point made...Panther.

Actually Batman is said to have learned every deadly martial art. Not just 127. 127 is just a number given. And it doesnt matter how impossible it is in real life, this is comic books. See scans:

Several of those images were originally posted and shared by @citizenbane

How is Panther a superior thinker? That argument has been made, but yet it has not been proven that he is a better thinker than Batman.


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(I think Batman always wins!!! and thats what this forum says , LOL !!! Well, actually Batman takes a lot of losses but he is a guy who wins even after loosing everything !!!! He is a Knight !!!!)

Well ,Batman can lift more than 1000 lbs ,if needed he can lift/hold more than or around 1 ton for very-very short time (as per marvel strength scale ,it comes under enhanced strength ) ,not only this he can break a tree into two pieces with a kick and has often defeated opponents whose size, strength, or other powers greatly exceeded his own. He has spent his entire life in pursuit of physical perfection and has attained it through constant intensive training and determination.

Batman's Senses, Reflexes, Endurance, Agility, Strength, Speed ,all of them are beyond pick human condition. In addition to this Batman have indomitable will. His determination and strength of will make him an extremely formidable opponent. This makes him able to function while tolerating massive amounts of physical pain, and also allows him to resist most forms of telepathy or mind control.

Batman's speed and reactions are such that he is able to dodge point blank gunfire and he has also caught one of Green Arrow's arrows in mid flight when he tried to shoot him. He is a master of all martial arts, he is said to be the best Martial artist in the DC universe along with Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon and Bronze Tiger.

Batman is a master of stealth ,his ninjutsu allows him to breach high security facilities without being detected. His stealth abilities are so great that even metahumans with good sensory skills have trouble at detecting him.He is also proficient in gymnastics and acrobatics, he is a master acrobat.

Batman is a weapon master ,through his martial arts training , he has become a master and proficient with knives, sticks, swords and many other weapons. He is also expert marksman, he is skilled with throwing projectile weapons ,archery and firearms. His accuracy is on with Green Arrow

Batman have genius level intellect and have photographic memory, virtually peerless, detective, strategist, scientist, tactician, and commander; he is widely regarded as one of the keenest analytical minds in the DC Universe . Given his lack of superpowers, he often uses cunning and planning to outwit his foes, rather than simply "out-fighting" them. He is known as one of the greatest strategists and tacticians in the dc universe. Due to this Batman is considered as the Most Dangerous on the Earth.

Batman is widely considered as the World's Greatest Detective, capable of observation, forensic investigation, and inductive and deductive reasoning of the highest calibre. Given any mystery, he can arrive at the correct conclusions with a fraction of the data.Batman is adept in interrogation techniques too. Batman is also master of tracking.

Batman can perform Ventriloquism, he is able to project his voice to sound as though it is coming from other places.

Batman has been described as second only to Mister Miracle as an escape artist or Escapologist.

Intimidation ,yeah it's an ability of Batman to install fear in others, even the people that know him best are intimidated by him. Even those who aren't afraid of the likes of Superman.

Batman owns vast array of weapons and advanced technologies (It's impossible to list out every weapons and technology that he posses, ) and have access to lots of resources and wealth ,

Well Black Panther have superhuman level Senses, Reflexes, Endurance, Agility, Strength, Speed. Now he can draw all the knowledge, strength, and every experience from every previous Black Panther when needed.

T'Challa can see in darkness as if it was a clear sunny day, something at over a few hundred feet appears as though it is right in front of his face. T'Challa's sense of hearing is enhanced in a similar manner, enabling him to hear sounds that an ordinary human can't and to be able to hear sounds that an ordinary human can, but at much greater distances. T'Challa can memorize tens of thousands of scents and track them to the exact location, can smell fear, and detect if someone is lying by change in body odour.

Black Panther is also good martial artist, he have knowledge of most of the martial arts. He is considered to be one of the best martial artists to have ever walked the Earth, his skills in martial arts rivals to of Captain America ,Ironfist and Daredevil.

T'Challa is a master acrobat.Black Panther has mastered all known weapons and he is a master marksman adept with hunting knives, firearms, and other projectile weaponry .He is also a rigorously trained gymnast and acrobat.

T'Challa is a genius and has photographic memory. His genius is as such that he is one of the eight smartest people on Earth of Marvel universe. T'Challa is also a great tactician, strategist, and leader. His capabilities are such that he is able to out think and out maneuver individuals such as Tony Stark. Like Tony Stark ,he can also invent various devices with special properties when needed.

T'Challa's have advanced technologies (It's impossible to list out every technology that he have, ) and have access to lots of resources and wealth ,

Well, T'Challa's armor is good and strong compare to Batman's Batsuit ,as Batman is not a armored fighter like tony stark but he is a hero who is more confident in his own abilities rather than in his equipment however Batsuit can capable of emitting an electromagnetic pulse which my disrupt T'Challa's armour.

Nether Batman nor T'Challa likes to fight recklessly , both of them are of a kind who will try to find their opponents weaknesses ,first however Batman is much more calm and cool than any other superhero(which includes superheros of DC as well as of Marvel).

Batman can defeat T'Challa with his sonic attacks or strong flash lights attacks as T'Challa's have heightened senses or by using Diamonded or Uraniumed tipped and laser weapons .So it does not matter how strong his armor is ,bright lights, Sonic attacks ,loud noises, & strong smells are going to affect him.( Not only Black Panther will be affected by sonic attacks or strong flash lights attacks but also Wolverine ,Daredevil and all other with great senses ability )(It should be noted that there are limits to the capacity of Vibranium to absorb vibratory energy, although the exact extent of these limits has not yet been determined.)

Well, T'Challa can defeat Batman ,if he can outwit Batman . Which ,I think is not possible. Other features of Black Panther are not very use full against Batman. As there is no way that Black Panther can beat Batman in 2-3 minutes fight ,So he will be forced to use his brain to fight batman and moreover he will be also affected by Batman's Intimidation (I mean , He will start fighting in defensive way rather than offensive way after 2-3 minutes of fight as he dont know what Batman can do ).

On there hand Batman start reading or analyzing Black Panther from moment he will see Black Panther (well, Black Panther will also start analyzing Batman from same moment however he also focused on attacking Batman while Batman will be more focused on analyzing him Black Panther)

A War cant be won by just great power but by a beautiful mind .

Well, this fight starts with Black Panther and Batman both look at each other and then Black Panther will charging towards Batman ,Batman will throw batrangs at Black panther to counter him at the same time he will drop Smoke capsule. Black panther will dodge batrangs and once again charge towards Batman( However this time Black Panther will be fully under the effect of Batman's Intimidation) , seeing this (Batman will understand that Black Panther can see in darkness ,well Black Panther will also understand that Bats can see in darkness like him) Batman will use a fling kick at Black Panther to counter his charge and with this Black Panther will drop to the ground( Bats kick can break a big tree, ) ,taking advantage of the situation Batman will throw a combination of incendiary capsules with explosives ,Batrangs (with that kick Batman will able to deduce that Black Panther's armor is very good) , Black Panther will recover will little effort from this( During this moment Batman will place a tracker at Plack Panther) and throw a knife at Batman (at this moment Black Panther will able to understand that he is fighting a guy who is good a martial arts and have lots equipments) ,seeing this Batman will dodge it by moving towards upper ground and will shoot a grappling hook towards nearest roof top and at the same time he will throw a flash bang. Black panther will be stunned and Batman will use this opportunity to call Batmobile simultaneously Batman will throw EMP Grenades with combination of toxin illusion of death which will further hurt armor and Psychology of Black Panther and ,this will also give enough time to Batman to come up with a strategy.( Here , Bat can also take total victory ,well...) After recovering from this combo attacks Black Panther call his full power however he will stop himself and think that he cant defeat batman ,right now , he need a perfect plan to defeat Batman meanwhile Batman use Batmobile to crush Black Panther But Black Panther will dodge it with his good reaction and speed and retreat to make a plan.

(There can be a 1000 different scenarios but all of them will ended with fight of wit )

Now after this 2-3 minute battle ,their fight will depends upon their wits (Precisely on their ability to make strategy ,tactics and thinking) ,In war of wits ,no one can defeat Batman.

BATMAN WINS!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Crash_Recovery

Batman doesn't always win. Anyone who's read Batman knows that. He's been paralyzed, shifted across time, lost a sidekick, had a sidekick paralyzed, lost a son...Batman takes a lot of losses.

I think the sentiment is with Batman: You'd better kill him on your first encounter...because if he survives, your tricks will have been good for that first encounter.

Posted by Doomnaut

Black Panther is superior to Batman no matter what the Bat fanboys say.

Edited by Dark_Slayor

The Batman fandom is at an all time high here. Batman loses here without an question, and I think K4z was being way too nice here.

IMO, BP has Batman beat in physical stats(Enhanced human>Peak Human right?) gadgets/tech(Vibranium armour, anti-metal claws, and energy daggers stomps just about everything in Bruce's standard arsenal), and in intellect(I could be wrong here but isn't BP categorized as a super-genius, where as Batman is a genius?).

It's only close in terms of h2h skill, and even with that said, at best Batman only ties with Black Panther. IMO I feel T'challa scrapes Bruce in a fight, but this isn't my article lol. Great write up though K4z

Do Daredevil next, to coax the rabid fanboys lol. Batman should take a fair majority over him.

Posted by k4tzm4n

The Batman fandom is at an all time high here. Batman loses here without an question, and I think K4z was being way too nice here.

IMO, BP has Batman beat in physical stats(Enhanced human>Peak Human right?) gadgets/tech(Vibranium armour, anti-metal claws, and energy daggers stomps just about everything in Bruce's standard arsenal), and in intellect(I could be wrong here but isn't BP categorized as a super-genius, where as Batman is a genius?).

It's only close in terms of h2h skill, and even with that said, at best Batman only ties with Black Panther. IMO I feel T'challa scrapes Bruce in a fight, but this isn't my article lol. Great write up though K4z

Do Daredevil next, to coax the rabid fanboys lol. Batman should take a fair majority over him.

A lot of people were demanding Daredevil so I did use him!

http://www.comicvine.com/articles/does-batman-always-win-batman-vs-daredevil/1100-146251/

Also, thank you.

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Posted by mordred58

T'Challa wins...even with "prep"....T'Challa has the Wakandian nation behind him - a technologically advanced society who don't take kindly to people messing with them or their king. After their fight, when Batman goes back to the batcave, he finds it dark - completely bricked...struck down by a virus he wasn't expecting. He goes to Wayne Enterprises to find T'Challa standing in his office, with a satellite map of the Batcave, Batmobile, and specs for all of Wayne's gear, informing him that Wakanda has bought a 30% stake in the company, and that Bruce now has a new silent partner...and a warning....never mess with me again.

Edited by Alexander505

Batman can't always win, of course...but I don't see because he can't beat Black Panther ;)

BP has a enhanced strength? I read this about him:

His strength is almost superhuman, Black Panther has demonstrated exceptional feats of strength like wrestling down a Rhino, knocking out a Polar Bear and even stopping a Elephant's charge. He's classed at the peak of human potential. Marvel handbooks class him strong enough to lift 750 lbs.

Posted by EDJ

Black panther. It would be close at first. But Bp would start taking over. his agility and strength eould shock batman. lets be resl you can be as skioled as you want but if that guy has cat like relexes and is stronger than a ox good night. Remember most of batman opponents are skilled mercernaries and soldiers. However Bp villains actual opponents have powers. Dude took out the fantastic four. And his suits could take a blast from thor. Don't believe me avengers movie. Thir struck caps shield which made of vibes noun which is tchalla suit. Cased closed

Posted by GunHappyNinja

@batnandez: I agree, BP may have a physical advantage, but batman's will power and motivation outweigh BP and thats how he will win

Posted by Jaykidd718

@new_onslaught: why you forget that tchalla can call a airstrike from wakanda a nation lol

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

I mean no disrespect to K4tz, who I like, but these articles are an embarrassment.

Black Panther isn't fit to hang up Batman's cape.

This article reeks of ignorance of both parties. And just because Marvel has decided that Black Panther is a genius in the past 3 years, doesn't make him so.

What's his training? He went to Oxford. Oh OK, so everyone that goes to Oxford is an uber-genius? Makes sense.

Giving the "slight edge" to Batman in combat abilities is a disgrace.

F*cking terrible.

Posted by Wolverine08

@fadetoblackbolt: You do know that Black Panther has mastered all the world's fighting styles and has been trained in combat since the age of 6? And he's always been a genius..............

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Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

@wolverine08: Mastered all of them? When'd he have time to do that? Who'd he learn them from since Wakanda is isolationist?

Typical bullsh*t where characters are just given upgrades because writers are morons.

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

@lone_wolf_and_cub said:

Another Batman thread with more butthurt Bat fanboys.

Another generalisation from an imbecile.

Posted by Wolverine08

@fadetoblackbolt: *Shrugs* Almost all comic characters are given skills that are impossible. Batman himself is too young to actually have his skill set. BP was trained by royal fighters of Wakanda. He has always been a great fighter since Stan Lee created him. His fighting skills weren't an upgrade. The only upgrade BP has had recently was his King of the Dead enhancements which pushed his physicals from enhanced to superhuman. Anyways, you are severely underestimating BP. I have extensive knowledge on both characters, and I think BP should be able to take a slight majority.

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Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

@wolverine08: Then you don't have enough extensive knowledge on Batman.

The Royal Fighters of Wakanda would know around 5-10 styles at maximum. Batman is vastly more intelligent than T'Challa. It's not even close. Pretending it is is just another way for Marvel to leach off of Batman with their dull copycats.

Black Panther back in his heyday was good, now he's just another Mary Sue, like 90% of Marvel's characters.

Posted by Saren

Another Batman thread with more butthurt Bat fanboys.

Well, hey, look on the bright side. If there weren't Batman fanboys for you to feebly antagonize in the most tiresome manner imaginable, 90% of your reason for even being on this site would be gone. And then where would we be?

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Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

@citizenbane: I love Batman, hell I collect all of his titles. Doesn't mean I'm a fanboy and think he wins every battle.

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@fadetoblackbolt: I honestly don't agree about BP and 90% of Marvel characters being Mary Sues, but that's besides the point. With T'Challa's current skill set, he should take a 6/10 majority over Batman in a very hard fight.

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Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

@wolverine08: Except that, as usual, this thread is stacked. All of BP's feats are canon, but barely any of Bruce's? Insider Armour. Fight over.

@lone_wolf_and_cub: I'm too busy waiting for you to exhaust your homophobic slurs. How is living is the 1860s? Best get your mileage out of your slaves while you can, that is not going to be around much longer.

Posted by Saren

@citizenbane: I love Batman, hell I collect all of his titles. Doesn't mean I'm a fanboy and think he wins every battle.

Anyone even partially familiar with your posting history would beg to differ. You are, after all, the person who tried and failed to make Fanboy-Induced-Stupidity the Vine buzzword on Batman threads. And really "I'm not a hater guys, I love the character, I just hate his fanboys" is quite possibly one of the most cliched answers possible from people who openly hate the character and bash his fans. At least make a vague attempt to be original.

@fadetoblackbolt: Imbecile? Really? Why don't you get back to epically fisting your bro clown.

Linguistic wizardry just isn't what it used to be.

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Posted by Wolverine08

@fadetoblackbolt: BP has technology on par with Batman due to his connections with Wakanda, and I believe this is supposed to be a generic, random encounter? I don't think Batman brings his Insider suit all the time.

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Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

@wolverine08: But BP's idiotic feats in New Avengers are mentioned in the OP? Seems fair.

Oh wait, no it doesn't.

The only advantage Black Panther has is the vibranium in his suit. That's it. In a random encounter, that gap is widened considerably. (Though the Vibranium is a HUGE plus and could very well equal victory for T'Challa, but that's all he has over Bruce).

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

@lone_wolf_and_cub: I'm confused. I'm composed, but you're the one who can't post a single comment without showing your sad, outdated bigotry. So who ought to toughen up?

"Butthurt"

"Fisting your bro clown"

"Little bitch"

You're a charmer. I bet you're invited to dinner a lot.

Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

@citizenbane: The fact that you still troll me and follow my every post leads me to believe that you like me Bane. Just because I think Batman loses some battles doesn't make me any less of a fan of the character. I have nothing to prove to you. Get off your high horse, we are talking about comic characters nothing of actual importance. Stop acting like a pretentious know it all.

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@fadetoblackbolt: Damn, and here I thought you were going to invite me to dinner. My heart is broken.

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Posted by Saren

@citizenbane: The fact that you still troll me and follow my every post leads me to believe that you like me Bane. Just because I think Batman loses some battles doesn't make me any less of a fan of the character. I have nothing to prove to you. Get off your high horse, we are talking about comic characters nothing of actual importance. Stop acting like a pretentious know it all.

I actually get that line from a lot of trolls, so again: do you have a single original bone in your body? Why do so many of your kind feel this urge to flatter themselves?

You have nothing to prove to anyone. It's not like your posting habits aren't common knowledge.

I'm sorry you're getting hot under the collar because you figured you could pass your constant flame-baiting off as some sort of rational observation. But don't blame me for your insecurities. Fingering trolls isn't pretentious behavior in the eyes of anyone other than trolls. Oops, I said "fingering". Slang for pointing something out, but succumb to that temptation anyway and make more gay jokes. You know you want to.

PS. Stop using "pretentious" in places where it doesn't apply. You people just keep throwing that word around and it's losing its meaning.

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Posted by k4tzm4n

Oh hey, cool to see another discussion about fictional characters fighting can be done in a reasonable manner without tossing insults around. I know a lot of people legitimately enjoy this feature, but it's embarrassing to see it can't be done without super petty sh*t going down.


Fade, I'm sorry you think this is "f*cking terrible," but seeing Morpheus was the one who got me into T'Challa years ago and I even double checked on my facts with Static before writing this, I'd like to believe I did everything possible to give T'Challa the due he required if I was going to use him. Seeing as Captain America has deemed him his equal in combat at least twice, I think it's totally fair to say Batman only has the slight edge in that regard. It still makes him better, does it not? The only differences is the gap we apparently believe exists. You seem to think he'll just walk all over BP, but given his history against talented fighters, I can't help but strongly disagree.

And yes, his upgrades and technology in Hickman's run are indeed taken into account in this article.

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