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Does Batman Always Win? Batman vs. Black Panther

Will The Dark Knight defeat Black Panther? Come find out what we think!

We've all seen the memes or heard the jokes before... Batman always wins. Why? Because he's Batman! As funny as this tends to be, I thought I'd turn it into a monthly segment to test that statement out. Batman obviously doesn't always win, but I thought it would be fun to see who he could defeat in fair, one on one battles with fellow street level characters that aren't from his universe.

To make sure the segment is always neutral, the match will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting (at night but city lights are on). They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think will take the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all Pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).

So far, I've placed The Dark Knight against Captain America (stalemate) and Wolverine (The X-Man wins). Now he's going face-to-face with a character drastically similar to him in a lot of regards -- Black Panther!

Credit: Rafael Neko Tumblr

This is usually where I break the segment up into three parts. I'd have one for Batman's advantages, one for Black Panther's advantages and then the verdict. However, in this case they are shockingly similar in so many elements and I feel it would be easiest to discuss these matters together. I'll bold and underline key points, too.

Hand-to-hand Skill

Both of these characters deserve praise for their technique and knowledge of martial arts and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Batman is a confirmed master of 127 different styles and has held his own or flat-out defeated some of the best street levelers in his universe. He's also embarrassed Nightwing and has overcome ridiculous amounts of enemies (BATMAN #16, for a recent example). He's no stranger to using nerve strikes (Solomon Grundy) and his peak human condition in combination with his skill allows him to give characters physically superior to him a tough time (Deathstroke, for example).

Meanwhile, T'Challa is often underrated when it comes to his effectiveness in this regard. AVX: VS #5 confirmed he's studied every fighting style in the world and, just like his opponent, knows how to use precision against physically superior characters. He's dropped Luke Cage, taken down Karnak, fought evenly and defeated Steve Rogers, and has brutally defeated a Super Skrull which had a wide variety of effective talents (Bullseye, Captain America, Elektra, Shang-Chi, and even T'Challa's).

These two are very close in this regard and I'd warrant a slight edge to Batman due to a more impressive selection of feats throughout his extensive history.

Equipment

I'll just come out and say it: I'm giving this edge to Black Panther. Batman has a huge assortment of of offensive and defensive gear at his disposal. Electric, gas, explosive, incendiary and cryo is barely scratching the surface of what Wayne can throw T'Challa's way, but ultimately, I don't believe they'll overcome the advantages Black Panther's vibranium armor provides. It grants a huge amount of protection against blunt trauma, stabbing damage (though cuts can penetrate if they go along the seams), and defend against the other attacks Batman has in his belt. As you can see in the image provided, Black Panther easily withstood a lightning strike from Storm, has endured hits from powerhouses including Hulk and Iron Man, taken volley of Iron Fist's chi-backed punches, and was perfectly fine after being shot by numerous assault rifles at point blank range. It goes without saying that his armor is quite protective.

Keep in mind, this is only addressing his durability against Wayne's attacks so far. When it comes to his offensive capabilities, T'Challa has deadly energy daggers and anti-metal claws which would absolutely tear through the Dark Knight's kevlar if it connects. The Marvel hero's boots allow him to withstand falls from greater heights and in a city setting that's definitely going to come in hand if a fight reaches a rooftop. Furtheremore, in NEW AVENGERS #1 we saw T'Challa has cloaking, teleporation and an energy shield. Wayne certainly brings a lot to the table, but in my opinion, T'Challa's goodies are simply more effective and provide just as much offensive and defensive variety in this case.

Mentality

Both are considered to be among the top human minds on their planet. The Caped Crusader is dubbed the greatest detective and T'Challa has a spot on the Iluminati for a reason (or at least was offered it). Both are masters of prep time, but since this is a random encounter, their absurdly good feats in this factor are really just moot points here.

What this comes down to is how both will act in this specific scenario and if either has the advantage when it comes to a tactical mindset. In that regard, I'd say both are roughly even. Both have the skill and intellect required to see subtle openings in their styles and are more than observant enough to not fall for obvious traps or tricks. However, when it comes to how far they'll go, I'd say T'Challa is the more brutal one. Wayne shocked me when he recently put a grappling line through Scarecrow's jaw, but T'Challa is a man that has no gripe ripping out eyes (Super Skrull) and, in NEW AVENGERS #1 (pictured above), he "basically ripped a dude in half" according to writer Jonathan Hickman.

Physicals

If this was made several months ago then they would be even in this regard. T'Challa was peak human while leaping around Matt Murdock's turf... but unfortunately for Batman, I'm making this feature now and Black Panther has once again been upgraded to above peak human (King of the Dead). T'Challa is now at least enhanced when it comes to his physicals, therefore he he takes this advantage. This isn't a huge advantage, though, since Batman has trained thoroughly enough to reach peak human condition.

The Verdict

So does Batman always win against Black Panther? In a random one on one fight, I think Black Panther would take the edge. Out of 10 fights, I'd probably grant him 6-7 hard fought victories over DC's Caped Crusader. Batman has the skill to eventually defeat him in unarmed combat, but sadly for him, this isn't unarmed combat. And while Bruce does have plenty of gear on his side, it'll take a lot to keep the Avenger down. It'll be a lengthy and brutal battle, but I see T'Challa's durability being the game changer.

There's now an official discussion thread for this monthly segment! Go there to make suggestions for future combatants (they need to be non-DC and street level!) and provide feedback!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. When he's not lurking around Comic Vine (which is rare), you can find him on Twitter.

429 Comments
Posted by DJ1107

@Logan Reilly:

Actually there are 2 people who beat God. The Saint of Killers & Spawn

Edited by Zeeguy91

@k4tzm4n: Are you sure? I mean, you could simply put the qualifier that Batman has neither made anything previously to neutralize the abilities of these DC characters or had any prep time. I mean, where else am I gonna learn what would happen in a fight between Batman and Animal Man? I seriously doubt those two would actually fight in DC canon.

Posted by Jmush

I agree with most of this. Black Panther is pret-ty well-rounded.

Posted by adamrcorrigan

Why is it that Batman (with prep time) can supposedly beat anyone. What possible gadget could he have to beat Thor/Silver Surfer and if he does have one, why doesn't he always use it and trounce everyone.

Edited by Botiste

@jashro44 said:

The underestimation of black panther in these comments is almost painful to me...I am fine if you think batman would win (I personally disagree...) but are people seriously calling it an insult that black panther has comparable intelligence to batman?

Great Point!! Here are some things to think about when comparing the two.

Disclaimer: This is just my opinion from decades of reading both heroes, I don't mean to offend anyone.

Enemies

It is said that you can tell the strength of a hero by the strength of the villains that he faces. Batman's rogues gallery is a bit of a circus act, filled with jokes and riddles, penguins and owls, ice and clay, two faces and scare crows, pigs and cats. The threat that often is placed against Batman often threaten the safety of Gotham itself and on occasion the world. He is the greatest detective mind on the planet and he is always the smartest man sitting at the table. On the other hand when the greatest minds in the universe comes and sits at a table (Reed, Charles, Tony) they include T'Challa. His enemies can travel through time (Doom) Conquer the worlds (Kang) and are kings of their own realm (Namor). Batman has a great mind but why he doesn't square off with the likes of Lex, and Brainiac more often is beyond me, instead we get the Riddler. Batman's enemies are the enemies of Gotham. Black Panther enemies are often enemies of the world and sometime universe.

Tech

As far as tech is concern. Batman has the Batmobile, Black Panther has custom vibranium tanks. Batman has the Batcycle. Black Panther has a cycle that flies, equipped with lasers and surface to air missiles. Batman has a flying machine called The Bat, Black Panther has a squadron of jets with space capabilities Batman has the Batcave and Wayne Manor. Black Panther has a palace guarded by a well trained army from birth for that sole purpose (Often looking like darker bald version's of Wonder Woman) When Wayne tech devices are destroyed, Batman has to personally put in the time and effort to test and rebuild his toys when the tech is beyond Alfred's understanding. Black Panther has an army of geniuses working to keep his gear together. When Batman is wounded he has Alfred patch his wounds. When Black Panther is wounded he has a medical team that is said to have the cure for cancer. Batman has awesome gear, but the Panther has more of everything Batman has. For Batman be prepared for every situation he would have to have more pouches then a rob Liefield hero. I know this reads rather ridiculous, but I'm only speaking for what I read, and many people have never touched a Black Panther comic.

Combat

Anderson Silva is the undefeated world champion of his weight class in the sport of MMA. He has been training all of his life and has mastered 3 forms of fighting. How old is Batman 32? 36? So he started training at the age of what 8, 10? So in 20yrs give or take, he's mastered 120+ forms. So while training, Bruce mastered a fighting form every 60 days and would have to migrate to another instructor for knowledge. This would give Bruce about 6 instructors per year. This would also make him a mutant or a cyborg. He would have to have cybernitic or a spiritual connection to memorize everyone of these techniques with a human brain on his own. Just as ridiculous is the Black Panther's claims to know all matters of world fighting. They are both products of over zealous writers. We know that all things are possible in comics. So as a reader I would say that they have master there own form of fighting by combining what they have learned from they have studied. (MMA) Mixed marital arts. So in combat its not just what you know that would give you the edge, but it is your experiences in battle that gives you the win. So being peak human does not effect the outcome of the battle because both Batman and Black Panther and Frank Castle for that matter (Punisher) has fought superhumans and won. What would change the outcome of this battle is that Batman, no matter how much he knows, has 20 year of combat experience which is awesome. Black Panther on the other hand is different. His god has downloaded (Matrix style) the knowledge, strength and combat prowess of every other Black Panther that his lived before him. That is more then 200+ years of combat knowledge and experience, not including their strength. So, if the former Black Panther at the dawn of civilization was a blades master, so now is T'Challa. if the former Black Panther of the 16th century was a master archer, so now is the T'Challa. If the former Black Panther of 19th century was an master sniper, so now is the T'Challa. If the former Panther could squat 600lbs so now could T'Challa, because he has been given there strengths also. Before he was given this strength he fought and defeated Captain America (barely). In a sense there are hundreds of Panthers and their strength and knowledge living in body of the 8th smartest man in the marvel universe. The favor is overwhelmingly for the Black Panther. FYI To get a picture of how ridiculous this sounds for both these characters, Chuck Norris is a master of two styles Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwan Do. He founded the school of Chun Kuk Do (no really! google it!) and nobody beats Chuck Norris. lol

Mind

Batman is a detective. Perhaps the greatest that's ever lived. And like most geniuses he was mostly self taught. He is a tactical master detective. Black Panther is said to be marvels 8th smartest man, (who's keep track of these things?) often exchanging theories with Mr. Fantastic. He is a Doctor, Chemist, Alchemist has recently studied Sorcery (after his defeat at the hands of Doom) a Tactician, and a King and again has the knowledge of every Panther before him. I do believe that Batman is a chemist and studied different science. I think that he has to be to make the awesome things that he has, but I do not know if he is a doctor. Furthermore Black Panther would go to a place that Batman could not. He would kill defend his people. Place the Joker against the Black Panther and the Joker dies. nuff said. Really how smart is the man that keeps locking the Joker in broken Arkham Asylum only for him to escape and kill again? All he has to do is just build a prison form the ground up specifically for his enemies (since he know everything about them), with Wayne Tech security and attach it to the asylum if need be, privately funded by himself, and throw the Joker's a$$ in there for Robin's sake!!

In The End

I am a fanboy of the Batman. I know you can't tell by the writing. He is one of the oldest superheros in existence and the epiphany of every alpha male. Perhaps it is this love that I would like to give the win to batman. Here is the "But" the Black Panther is one of comics most underestimated super heroes. He is often poorly written, and truthfully black superheroes are just now really getting the green light. Ironically Black Panther and the Punisher are Marvel's answer to Batman. So you could really say that the Batman made the Black Panther. As far as combat is concerned in the hearts and mind of many long time fans it would be Batman. We speak of Batman like Christians speak of Jesus, "He would make a way" But on paper the win goes to the Black Panther. Hands down.

I simply love these battles. The Comic Vine community is awesome.

Posted by cborg

It's funny as a huge Bat fan I initially sided with him but after talking with my DC fanatic brother I found myself arguing for BP. Basically the thing that makes Bats a more compelling character is why he loses this. He has always been the example of the pinnacle of the human spiri in comics. Indomitable, never deterred and rising to triumph after failure. Knowing how impossible the odds he faces from the like of Amazo and Darkseid(folks that can take JLA single handedly) he dives forward. The reason R.I.P., Court of Owls, and Batman Rises are such successes is because they show bats isn't perfect, he can and will fail/lose. But faced with total loss he picks up the pieces of his broken body/mind and finds a way to win. That is his super power, his human spirit, To never quit and find a way to win despite his frailty. Faced with the loss of his family he used his pain to become a hero, he trained to stand shoulder to shoulder with gods. A batman story where he strolls up and beats everyone is boring and over in a panel; a story where he throws himself in, saves lives, losses and uses his human mind/body to rises to win in the end= priceless. Like Bane, like Mutant Leader, like Prometheus, like the Devil himself in RIP, batman WILL LOSE but ALWAYS returns to win. Its the same reason Spider-man is a great read, he loses. As parker, as spider-man he loses constantly but finds a way to win. With all that in mind the fact Panther is enhanced-human(by herbs) has combat skillson par with bats and ill defined powers/weapons/feats means he would eek out a win or outright kick bats' ass. Since this is an analysis of a first battle only, it is correct. BP is better designed to win upfront. But if you watched the rest of the story, bats would come back and find a way to kick BPs ass, cause that's what he does.

Posted by Batnandez

@PsychoJack: yup

Posted by fluffypigeons

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

BOWSER wins

Posted by Pyrogram

T'challa is da man

Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus

Hand to hand battle, its almost about even yes. Equipment, T'challa just may have little edge. I don't know, I still see Bruce's intellect as finding a way round BP's gadgets to earn him the victory.

Posted by DeawonCDelaney

As much as the Black Panther has (lets not forget Magic, and Batman will not touch the stuff) T'Challa is irrational sometimes and it will get the best of him. Batman can fight the Joker everyday and knowing what he did to people Batman cares for he still will not kill him, if Klaw looks at the Black Panther the wrong he would rip off his arms and beat him with them (and hes made of sonic energy)

Posted by Omega-Man

Wow, I am a Batman fan and only know the bare basics of Black Panther, but I want to say one thing. How is it BP can be so underrated considering how much more over powered he is compared to Batman? People say Batman is Over powered because he can beat almost anyone but really BP is more over powered with a magic marvel metal that doesn't exist in our or the DC universe that make up his weapons and his protection. We all know Batman couldn't take a full powered blow off of Superman yet BP can because of his 'magical' metal armour that doesn't exist. Give batman the same resource of a suit and weapons that can't be damaged under normal means then he would be on par with Black Panther.

Without the suit being able to deflect even powerful blows of Hulk Batman would own Black Panther it's only his suit that gives him the win.

Other than that BP wins this by a cop out of a metal that absorbs damage and so happens to be light weight to boot.

The only thing that could match vibrainium in the DC universe is nth metal and Deathstroke's armour is made of it though Batman's suit isn't, if it was he's have a better chance of beating BP because they would be on equal footing.

Edited by SupremeHyperion

Panther would win and is just one of many Marvel characters that would do the same. this is a sweet section and I hope to see more. (if you do them please don't do stuff we have already seen aka supes/hulk)

Posted by WaveMotionCannon
@Alch21

Batmans not as smart, quick or as fast. His gear is also subpar compared to Panthers. BP easily wins out most bouts.

Exactly. The bias and underrating of BP is amazing to me. BP also has the BALLS to finish a fight, if they switched universes, Joker would get beheaded by BP.
Posted by BatWatch

@k4tzm4n said:

@BatWatch said:

No disagreements from me...though I do not know much about T'Challa.

Well, I hope this feature at least taught you a bit about him :D

It did indeed help. (grins) I think the most I've seen him was in the recent Avengers cartoon.

@Omega-Man :

I agree that the suit won the day for Black Panther. What is Deathstroke's armor made of? I thought it was just typical body armor.

Posted by btmt

@Omega-Man said:

Wow, I am a Batman fan and only know the bare basics of Black Panther, but I want to say one thing. How is it BP can be so underrated considering how much more over powered he is compared to Batman? People say Batman is Over powered because he can beat almost anyone but really BP is more over powered with a magic marvel metal that doesn't exist in our or the DC universe that make up his weapons and his protection. We all know Batman couldn't take a full powered blow off of Superman yet BP can because of his 'magical' metal armour that doesn't exist. Give batman the same resource of a suit and weapons that can't be damaged under normal means then he would be on par with Black Panther.

Without the suit being able to deflect even powerful blows of Hulk Batman would own Black Panther it's only his suit that gives him the win.

Other than that BP wins this by a cop out of a metal that absorbs damage and so happens to be light weight to boot.

The only thing that could match vibrainium in the DC universe is nth metal and Deathstroke's armour is made of it though Batman's suit isn't, if it was he's have a better chance of beating BP because they would be on equal footing.

Well I agree with this.

Posted by TDK_1997

I think BP may be able to defeat Batman in a battle.

Posted by blackkitty

It's not fans of one or fans of the other. I do however disagree with the assessment. We're judging Black Panther's win based on dedication and technology, both of which Bruce has in spades. Fighting style, well, Black Panther has been defeated by Captain America handily. Yet when Batman and Captain America faced each other they judged themselves too evenly matched and the fight would last hours. So fighting, need to give it to Bruce. Technology, were Bruce to merely go with damage, I'd give it to Black Panther. However, he frequently carries other gadgets, be it flashes, entangles strong enough to hold croc, and gas. There is nothing Black Panther carries to protect him from a gas attack. Finally, Batman has his analytical mind. This means, on those foes he can not defeat off the gate, he can go back, study and figure out what he needs to defeat him, an advantage Black Panther simply doesn't have. So to me, this fight goes the complete other direction.

Edited by k4tzm4n
@blackkitty said:

It's not fans of one or fans of the other. I do however disagree with the assessment. We're judging Black Panther's win based on dedication and technology, both of which Bruce has in spades. Fighting style, well, Black Panther has been defeated by Captain America handily. Yet when Batman and Captain America faced each other they judged themselves too evenly matched and the fight would last hours. So fighting, need to give it to Bruce. Technology, were Bruce to merely go with damage, I'd give it to Black Panther. However, he frequently carries other gadgets, be it flashes, entangles strong enough to hold croc, and gas. There is nothing Black Panther carries to protect him from a gas attack. Finally, Batman has his analytical mind. This means, on those foes he can not defeat off the gate, he can go back, study and figure out what he needs to defeat him, an advantage Black Panther simply doesn't have. So to me, this fight goes the complete other direction.

Sorry, but two things:
 
1) Rogers has flat-out stated T'Challa is basically his equal.  
 
 
2) Black Panther's mask filter's gas. 
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Posted by Overlander

Black Panther > Batman

Agreed.

Posted by save.me.now

For now I'd also give the edge to T'challa. Though I actually think Slade might have a better chance in random encounter due to his new suped-up Nth Metal armor. And of course the Joker with enough prep time could wipe out the entire marvel U, wash that down with Image and then have Vertigo and Valiant for dessert.

Edited by Vaeternus

@Joshro44, Doesn't really matter if Batman used a mother box or not, which we really didn't see so that's speculation. Point is he still hacked ds's "near to unbreakable code" even darkseid thought he was bluffing...

Besides, Darkseid>>>>mephisto, DS could have killed Batman but didn't because even he knew he needed The Batman in that situation from preventing the hellspores from blowing up...half of apocalypse.

Sidenote, lol people are pulling the "Batman fans don't know much about Bp" oh the irony there..

Random encounter,either could take it. Prep time, Batman murks BP...considering he's dealt with the jl, darkseid, superman people 100x more powerful then BP with prep...

Posted by Omega-Man

@BatWatch:

The new 52 Slade Wilson aka Deathstroke's armour was upgraded to nth metal, nth metal is mainly used by Hawkman it comes from the planet Thanagar it's shown to be both really strong and durable hell his nth metal sword cut clean through one of Batman's planes in The Dark Knight series of comics, and another quality about nth metal nothing magical can affect it so Zatanna can't do anything to it

Pronuced 'Enth' Metal

It's mainly the DCU's answer to Marvel's Vibrainium and Adamantium. Though I do like that is does a one up on magical attacks and beings of magical nature can't affect it either.

Though I am unsure of how Slade got his hands on enough nth metal to make a suit and a sword.

Posted by cameron83

But I still feel people here greatly misunderstimate batman and his tech BY FAR.It's just brushed aside and taken as a joke,same with his armor,but hey,doesn't matter.I'm still a fan of T'challa and to hell with DC anyway.

Posted by batmanary

@TrueMarvel said:

@batmanary:

Sorry man... But in no part of your paragraph did you clearly state WHY batman would win. Panther is a king. The king of the most technological advanced nation in marvel universe. In terms of technology batman really doesn't compare.

Mainly through the mentality. Panther is a king. Not a crime fighter. In terms of technology, how don't they compare, exactly? Nothing of Panther's, that I have seen has especially blown me away.

Posted by TrueMarvel

@batmanary said:

@TrueMarvel said:

@batmanary:

Sorry man... But in no part of your paragraph did you clearly state WHY batman would win. Panther is a king. The king of the most technological advanced nation in marvel universe. In terms of technology batman really doesn't compare.

Mainly through the mentality. Panther is a king. Not a crime fighter. In terms of technology, how don't they compare, exactly? Nothing of Panther's, that I have seen has especially blown me away.

Sorry man. But you might not know alot about BP. Your crimefighter mentality point actually works against you. Kings are trained from birth to defend themselves, their people, and their borders. Also, BP has recently moved to hells kitchen to fight crime(depressed or something). The crimefighter mentality actually doesn't work in batmans favor. Criminals are often unskilled and cowardly. Its also important to point out that BP is not a criminal, and heros do not share the smae mentality as criminals.

Posted by TrueMarvel

@Moby said:

I known that I;m a huge Batman fan; but I consider these monthly segments to usually be right except this time. I honestly believe Batman would overcome Black Panther (barely).

#1: Black Panther has no healing factor any damage he receives affects him

#2: To give Black Panther the edge in intelligence is an insult to Batman's history as a tactical genius

Everything else said I completely agree with; I just believe that Batman edges out

Next month I would like to see Batman vs Daredevil:

Batman doesn't have a healing factor either... this is not an advantage on batmans part,

No one said panther was smarter. They said he had batter tech.

also that doesn't shift the tide of the battle

Posted by PowerPuck

@Vaeternus said:

Prep time, Batman murks BP

how, when this is the extent of his resources and more?

Edited by Vaeternus

@PowerPuck, i disagree just because bp has vibranium doesn't mean he has an instant edge, some people are forgetting Batman has dealt with far more powerful people and beat them from JL to outsmarting Darkseid...not to mention owlman who is more or less an evil Batman with better armor yet Batman still beat him during the crisis on two earths arch...so this armor thing is overrated seriously, and Bruce is made of tons of resources also, it's not like he's going to fight anyone with nothing on him. Not to mention Batman with prep time is king, BP has nothing on Bruce with prep time...h2h is debatable perhaps but not prep.

@cameron83 said:

But I still feel people here greatly misunderstimate batman and his tech BY FAR.It's just brushed aside and taken as a joke,same with his armor,but hey,doesn't matter.I'm still a fan of T'challa and to hell with DC anyway.

i agree, batman ultimately would win.

Edited by jashro44

@Vaeternus:

Doesn't really matter if Batman used a mother box or not, which we really didn't see so that's speculation. Point is he still hacked ds's "near to unbreakable code" even darkseid thought he was bluffing...

No it was stated he used mother box. There is no speculation. He wouldn't have hacked it without mother box and he does not have mother box at all. He borrowed it from mr.miracle. The feat was not achieved under his own resources so it is useless as it does not even reflect what batman can do with prep.

Besides, Darkseid>>>>mephisto, DS could have killed Batman but didn't because even he knew he needed The Batman in that situation from preventing the hellspores from blowing up...half of apocalypse.

Not really. Besides batman never beat darksied he just survived due to his bluff. Black panther actually defeated mephisto, like he had him begging on the ground for mercy due to prep. All batman did was survive darksied.

Sidenote, lol people are pulling the "Batman fans don't know much about Bp" oh the irony there..

Random encounter,either could take it. Prep time, Batman murks BP...considering he's dealt with the jl, darkseid, superman people 100x more powerful then BP with prep...

Batman has actually never beaten any of those people. He has prep on them but if you want to play that game black panther has prep on galactus (T'challa even used his plan successfully on silver surfer).

Galactus>>>>Everyone you just named.

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Edited by Umbraa

This is hilarious. T'challa would and should beat Batman. The article was very fair to Bruce. Guy is punching holes through enemies and ripping them in half. He has cloaking, Invisiblity, and teleportation. He has the strength, knowledge and skills of 10,000 years of unconquerable Black Panthers. He's has a army of female assassins (see 500 fought off 100,000 traitors) to Bruce's "Boy wonders." He has technology that makes guns useless. His Panther,Royal and Dagger Quinjets are better then the Batwing, being able function in space, or underwater. He has giant voltron robots and flying saucers with Talon air-superiority fighter jets on board and 150 spec ops Warrors in battle armor positioned around the globe. T'challa is sorta like Batman 1 million. He can Prep just like Bruce. So this isn't a big deal. :)

Edited by Decoy Elite

And people wonder why K4tz doesn't add prep to these articles...

Posted by mightypug78

wait a second! i just remembered. wasnt there some dr. doom story arc that ended with all vibranium become useless or something?

Posted by jashro44

@mightypug78 said:

wait a second! i just remembered. wasnt there some dr. doom story arc that ended with all vibranium become useless or something?

Doom war. All the processed vibranium was destroyed. The still have a little bit of vibranium that was wasn't mined IIRC.

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Posted by Umbraa

@Decoy Elite, that was the point. Trying to say prep like that matters, it really doesn't. The article was more then fair.

Edited by Vaeternus

lol some people thinking bruce needs an army to do damage...and his "boy wonders" more or less bumped into him via fate,he merely offered to train them, but it was their choice. Batman has also taken down tons of people at once including ras and his league among other ridiculous feats from the comics.

Bruce also don't need no lame "power suits" to do damage either unless he's going up against say Superman and BP is far from that level.

@joshro Not sure why you brought up galactus>>>batman,darkeid,mephisto,bp? ok random...

Spectre>>>>Galactus....your point?

Yes really, besides again Darkseid>>>mephisto, the fact someone as low level as BP defeated mephisto proves my point further, and while ds didnt beg batan he still needed him not to mention respected his mentality and wits..besides, it's a known fact mephisto is highly weaker not in his realm which is where bp defeated him, he wouldn't do so in mephisto's world. Unlike darkseid who has his power levels despite where he is...

Doesn't matter, Batman still did a crazy feat besides if you're going to use the"batman needed apocalypse tech" argument well i can say well BP is nothing without his suit,where is Batman has acheived better feats over time with less protection...

Actually, Batman did beat those people but perhaps not with his fists but with his wits if not with his fists like green k vs superman for example and obviously you never saw jl doom or read that arch.....that proves Batman at any time could take out his jl peers easily if he wanted. All of them combined are more powerful then one ss.

Posted by HushoftheWind

Not saying Black Panther would win, but has Panther beaten anybody on his level besides Cap(stalemate?).

Posted by irmensul

STALEMATE

Posted by MightyMODOK

Why would they fight at all ?

Posted by Baberaham_Lincoln

@jynxjaguar: you clearly have not played Arkham City... that man carries a boot full of gear. NEVER DISRESPECT B-MAN!! AHFHARHSHRAASHR *fanboy ovaries explode*.... ^_^

Posted by detective38

As I am not a marvel reader any more I don't know much about panther's current interpretation but I can guarantee you that silver age panther would've gotten a bat-smackdown

Posted by Silver Zeal

BP wasn not masters all different forms of martial arts, it is rather said dat his fighting styles belong 2 no known combat teknik bcuz it originates in Wakanda which was an isolated kingdom 4 1,000's of yrs & was considered d most unconquerable place on earth bcuz Wakanda fought off & defeated wave after wave after wave of all kinds of wud-b conquerors, kings, militias, cooperations, etc 4 over 10,000yrs all wanting 2 get their hands on Wakanda's vibranium. And d collected & accumulated knowledge of all d wars, battle strategies & combat tactix & tekniks hv all been taught 2 BP.

Now add dat 2 d fact dat Wakanda is also d "most scientifically advanced nation on earth" which eplains BP's assortment of crazy kool gadgets such as his anti-metal claws which can cut thru anything INCLUDING ADAMANTIUM, kimiyo card, hard-light shielding(NA#1),cloaking, etc.

Den add all dat 2 d fact dat BP is ordained as d avatar & champion of d Panther God/Bast after besting all d gr8es fighters in Wakanda & taking d mystical royal heart sharpd herb duration anointment & appointment as king. BP's connexion 2 Bast anoints him with sum enhanced capabilities such as 'natural' night vision, enhanced hearing, enhanced smell, super-spartial awareness(hek even astral awareness were he is cable 2 detect invisible cosmic beings when d gr8 Kang & all his 41st century tek faild) & animal like agility.

BP also has lethal energy daggers dat can b configured 2 several levels of lethality & death while Batman used batrangs r not nearly as lethal.

BP was able 2 defeat a super-skrull with d combined fighting skills of Shang-chi, Cap America, Elektra, DD, Bullseye & including his own fighting skill.

Now add all dat 2 d fact dat BP is amongst Marvel top 8 smartest people i d MU.

Batman doesnt stand a chance against BP in a straight-up fight & even with prep d best Batman can hope 4 is a stalemate.

Posted by Silver Zeal

@new_onslaught said:

Why everyone forgets that Batman can call his Batplane for an airstrike?

BP has d "Nyami class battlecruisers" capable of underwater & interstellar flight which he has hidden across d globe as a pre-emptive measure in case any nation evr tried 2 attack Wakanda. AND he also has orbiting satellites in space capable of making ground strikes.

Posted by Dark Chord

I very much like this column and am very much interested in his chances against other street-level heroes and villains. If you look at my list that I posted called out in the streets, that covers a large majority of people I would like to see him matched against. For non-Marvel matches, I would be interested in Witchblade or Cyblade from the Top Cow camp. My only problem is that I would like to see a matching column for Captain America. He is Marvel's guy who always seems to find a way to win. Even in the much-maligned Onslaught crossover, he is stated as the guy who always sees the way to victory. I would be interested in how he would handle characters like Cassie Cain, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, or the Bronze Tiger. What say you?

Posted by batmanary

@TrueMarvel said:

@batmanary said:

@TrueMarvel said:

@batmanary:

Sorry man... But in no part of your paragraph did you clearly state WHY batman would win. Panther is a king. The king of the most technological advanced nation in marvel universe. In terms of technology batman really doesn't compare.

Mainly through the mentality. Panther is a king. Not a crime fighter. In terms of technology, how don't they compare, exactly? Nothing of Panther's, that I have seen has especially blown me away.

Sorry man. But you might not know alot about BP. Your crimefighter mentality point actually works against you. Kings are trained from birth to defend themselves, their people, and their borders. Also, BP has recently moved to hells kitchen to fight crime(depressed or something). The crimefighter mentality actually doesn't work in batmans favor. Criminals are often unskilled and cowardly. Its also important to point out that BP is not a criminal, and heros do not share the smae mentality as criminals.

By your logic, King Abdullah of Jordan could beat Batman. Their training is not that extensive, buddy. Though I will concede that I do not follow BP. And my post does state IMO.

Posted by PowerPuck

@batmanary said:

By your logic, King Abdullah of Jordan could beat Batman. Their training is not that extensive, buddy. Though I will concede that I do not follow BP. And my post does state IMO.

wakanda is primarily a warrior nation above everything else. they to learn to fight before becoming the most technologically advanced. their training is extensive. t'challa was trained from early childhood, and to become king, he had to defeat wakanda's best warriors and the current black panther at the time of the rite of ascension. one cannot be considered to rule as black panther if he's not well-trained warrior.

you've admitted that you don't follow black panther, so how would you know if his training is extensive or not, on top of comparing him to a realistic king that's not even as skilled as he is? if t'challa's training isn't that extensive, how is he able to fight people like captain america, iron fist, a skrull with the fighting skills of marvel's best fighters, one shot karnak twice, and study every fighting style there is?

Posted by TrueMarvel

Wakanda is not primarily a warrior nation. They pride themselves at being smarter and more independent than all of the other nations in the world. Just because it's in africa doesn't mean they like to fight...

Posted by PowerPuck

@TrueMarvel said:

Wakanda is not primarily a warrior nation.

yes, they are, and it has nothing to do with them being in africa, either. i don't even know why you would say such a thing, anyway, or assume that my point was based on such a statement. wakanda was a warrior state and the black panther clan was a warrior cult dedicated to protecting the vibranium mound long before wakanda gained advancement in intelligence and technology. all black panthers were well-trained warriors. that also includes the hatut zeraze, the dora milaje, and the midnight angels.

Posted by Umbraa

TrueMarvel, you are totally WRONG. Wakanda is a warrior nation. Try reading Black Panther Secret Invasion: See Wakanda and Die--where the whole nation takes up arms to fight the Skrulls. I don't think you should comment with incorrect post about a character you clearly don't know about.

Posted by BatWatch

@Omega-Man said:

@BatWatch:

The new 52 Slade Wilson aka Deathstroke's armour was upgraded to nth metal, nth metal is mainly used by Hawkman it comes from the planet Thanagar it's shown to be both really strong and durable hell his nth metal sword cut clean through one of Batman's planes in The Dark Knight series of comics, and another quality about nth metal nothing magical can affect it so Zatanna can't do anything to it

Pronuced 'Enth' Metal

It's mainly the DCU's answer to Marvel's Vibrainium and Adamantium. Though I do like that is does a one up on magical attacks and beings of magical nature can't affect it either.

Though I am unsure of how Slade got his hands on enough nth metal to make a suit and a sword.

Interesting. I was passingly familiar with Nth metal because of Hawkman, but I did not know Slade was wearing it these days. Isn't that kind of redundant for him? He already has pretty good healing factor, right? I guess every bit helps.

I do remember Slade slicing through Bruce's plane, but I figured that was just bad writing. Sort of cool to know there was a reason for it.