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Doctor Who is Now Immortal?

Wait... what? Can you do that Russell T Davies?

I can regenerate an infinite amount of times?
I can regenerate an infinite amount of times?
I have been a Doctor Who fan for years, maybe even decades now, and one of the first rules of the Doctor I learned was that the Doctor can regenerate 12 times, and then he is no more. A Time Lord does not live on... That rule is seemingly being tossed out the window soon. 
 
According to the Guardian, in an episode of the Sarah Jane Adventures, which we mentioned briefly yesterday, (airing October 25th and 26th) The Doctor will be asked how many times he can regenerate, and he will tell the person that there is no limit. This rule was set into place during the Tom Baker era in the story "The Deadly Assassin." Now it seems that the show is being "retconned." Let's break this down to find out why this is happening:
== TEASER == 
"I'm going to die a lot, aren't I Susan? HMMM?"

Why get rid of one of the biggest Time Lord rules though?

They're running out of regenerations, and this series still has a few legs to stand on. Back in the mid-70s, when the rule was made, it made perfect sense. Creators didn't know how long the show would last, and being that Tom Baker's Doctor was the 4th incarnation, 12 regenerations seemed a long ways away. Now, 35 years later, we're nearing the end of the cycle, and this train doesn't seem like it's going to stop anytime soon, no matter how many Doctors they go through. 
 

Is there another way around this problem?

Sure, a few Time Lords ::cough:: The Master ::cough:: have come back by simply jumping into another body, or they were raised from the dead. If you'll remember, The Master used his last regeneration during the Tom Baker era, and then just jumped into a new body. The Master from the new series was raised from the dead essentially in that weird vortex thingy. It's science-fiction, just make something up. Changing the rules is a bit frustrating to the die-hard Who fans. 
 

So what now?

Well, we all knew this was coming. It was expected, if the show were to continue, but the main problem here is that according to the Guardian, there's no explanation at all. Give the fans some sort of explanation why this has changed, just don't throw it out into the wind please. Anyway, although this may be frustrating, fans (I) will learn to deal with it, and it eventually will become Time Lord Lore. Hopefully, when this happens, it will cross-over into the next season of Doctor Who (starting on Christmas, then on Easter) and they will give us some sort of reasonable explanation. Personally, I am a bit happy they're doing this so the show doesn't have to end with the person who takes over the Doctor position after Matt Smith's run is complete. What do you guys think? Is this new rule a good idea? What would you do to the show to get around the 12 regeneration Time Lord rule?

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@Methos said:

" well i'm hoping they're going to bring Gallifrey back soon...  5 years without it is long enough i think  M "

Its been less then 1 year, Or did you miss the End of Time?
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O god the silence! you did didn't you? D:
Better rush to you're local video store and rent the dvd :)

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@Methos:
I'm assuming that Doctor Who being the immortal is that he always regenerate to a number of times. Or you could say Doctor Who is actual one being who can regenerate into someone else. Hence he's immortal. But I'm not sure about this Doctor Who being the one. I'm just assuming if that's the case. Even though he's not actually Immortal since he can die and regenerate. If you look at the Highlander franchise, the Immortals can die multiple times in a short while and then they come back.
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@danhimself:  at the beginning of Matt Smith's run is good if you don't want to bother with too much.
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@danhimself: You can safely start watching the reboot. They cover the majority of what you need to know throughout the new series.
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I wonder will they have the black dude from 2012 and Redbelt play The Doctor after Matt Smith ????
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They just can't kill a good thing!!!!! 
DOCTOR WHO FOREVER!!!!!!!!!
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@danhimself:  Start with the 2005 series. That series (aka season in the US) is actually listed as Series 1. Great jumping on point for Doctor Who. Also, series 1-4 are all on netflix watch instant.
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooo making him immortal takes away a little bit of the doctor. it makes him more of a god, and thats cool if they have a good explanation but if not its like saying we want to keep doing the show possible without smith.

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Doctor now said that he can regenerate 507 times, not exactly immortal but series-wise he might as well be

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Ah how I pine for the old days, watching Tom Baker on PBS during the weekends. That was a ritual. But onto the point. I seem to recall the "basic" timelord only having six regenerations. Somewhere along the lines, and I honestly can't say where, the high council decided to extend the doctor's number of regenerations to 12. 
 
Anyone else recall this?
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No he isn't Russel T Davies didn't think anyone would take it seriously and that the 12 regenerations is too deeply intergrated in the story and the public. In my eyes The Doctor wasen;t bening entirely serious when he said it.

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@danhimself: I don't know if someone has already answered you, but I would just start with Christopher Eccleston at the beginning of the new series. If you've never seen anything of Doctor Who before it's a good place to start...then you can go catch up on the old shows later (which in my opinion is kind of hard to do since they're all out of order at the moment) although I hear that someday soon they'll be re-releasing the show in order from the start. Any news on that anyone who may know better than I? Anyway...I started watching back when Eccleston first started on the show and I'm hooked now. I find the old shows severely dated and hard to get into, but that's because I'm much younger than all the people who grew up with Tom Baker and the other 8 previous doctors. It's much easier to jump on board with Eccleston.
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A simple retcon would be to say after all the time lords expired their regenerations fell to The Doctor  
 
There's little retcon involved, it's been established timelords can be given further regenerations as The Master has been given them in the past

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^what he said

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@inferiorego:  That's exactly what I tell people who are on the fence. It's great to have the classic content, but not a necessity to get started with the series.
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The Doctor breaks his own rules all the time I don't see why the 12 regens would be any different

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