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DC Responds to Concerns over Lack of Female Comic Creators

Is the reported 12% to 1% drop in female creators incorrect?

You may have heard about the fan uprising first triggered after a San Diego Comic-Con 'DC New 52' panel in which a brave young lady asked the panelists (which comprised of only male creators) the question, 'where are all the women'? after noticing how few of DC's female characters will be receiving ongoing solo books this fall. You can read a great interview where she delves into her observations at the DC Women Kicking Ass blog. The conversation shifted from not only the drop in female solo books, the the drop in the number of female comic creators who would be working at DC come relaunch.

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One of the most contentious topics (and something claimed by a male reader during the panel) is that DC Comics would go from having 12% of their creators being female to a mere 1% starting this fall. You can read more about exactly how this conversation started at The Beat. If these numbers are accurate, this drop in the number of women who would be working at DC is definitely staggering. It also means that the number of women working at DC would be a poor representation of the number of DC readers who are also women. The big question is, how accurate is this number and where did it come from?

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According to a recent article at Bleeding Cool, the "52 titles feature 160 credited creators, 157 male and 3 female." These numbers are in fact exceptionally low, but it should be noted that they also fail to encompass all of the women who would be working at DC comics come September. The numbers tallied in the article only take into account the female cover artists, artists and writers working on the 52 new upcoming books based on the solicits released for September, which can be found here. These numbers don't take into account the number of women editors, assistant editors, colorists, inkers and more that work on a comic book to get it published.

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Even if these numbers are not accurate, the uproar that followed took the internet comic bloggers by storm. The fan reaction so heavily impacted DC's higher ups that on Friday they published a press release on DC Source blog. stating that DC takes their fans' "concerns very seriously."

We’ve been very fortunate in recent years to have fan favorite creators like Gail Simone, Amy Reeder, Felicia Henderson, Fiona Staples, Amanda Connor, G. Willow Wilson and Nicola Scott write and draw the adventures of the World’s Greatest Super Heroes.

DC Comics is the home of a pantheon of remarkable, iconic women characters like Wonder Woman, Lois Lane, Batgirl, Batwoman, Catwoman and Supergirl as well as fan favorite characters like Black Canary, Katana, Mera and Starfire. We’re committed to telling diverse stories with a diverse point of view. We want these adventures to resonate in the real world, reflecting the experiences of our diverse readership. Can we improve on that? We always can—and aim to.

We’ll have exciting news about new projects with women creators in the coming months and will be making those announcements closer to publication. Many of the above creators will be working on new projects, as we continue to tell the ongoing adventures of our characters. We know there are dozens of other women creators and we welcome the opportunity to work with them.

Our recent announcements have generated much attention and discussion and we welcome that dialogue.

Regardless of whether DC had been actively seeking out women to work for their company or not (which they claimed to have been doing), the fact that the publisher recognized and responded to the demands of both male and female fans alike regarding the demand for more women working on their comics is not something that should go unrecognized. Was this response generated by a young woman who was brave enough to ask the tough questions at Comic-Con? Or had DC been actively pursuing female creators (like they claimed) and simply could not find any? I'll go with the former. What do you think?

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Let's see... Marvel only has 1 female titles right now.

They only have captain marvel.X-Men almost has all female in their cast but it's only bought simply because it's an x-title

DC has

Supergirl

Catwoman

WonderWoman

Batwoman

Batgirl

Worlds Finest

They also have not one but two female exclusive titles. Birds of Prey and Ame-Com series

DC has fared well with female titles.Sales seem to be strong with Ms.Marvel and it looks like it'll last.

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I find, on another note, that there's a serious lack of Darwyn Cooke on the September schedule..then again, it might be just me :P

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DC is ignoring the female market. But that is completely fine, because thanks to that, the Japanese were able to come in and get a ton of money out of the female market. The Japanese were smart enough to spot a need in the market and then they supplied it. All because DC didn’t bother to give a decent effort at capturing female attention. This is why DC's sales are hurting, because their target audience is so limited. 


Also, guys argue that since comics readers are mainly guys, then therefore comic creators should mainly be guys. Idiotic logic. If there were more female comic creators, there could possibly be more female-friendly or female oriented titles. Then there would be more female readers to begin with!

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@The Mast
What a silly comment.
 
"They tried making tentacle rape look sexy."
 
If you actually think that was their intent, to make rape in any form look sexy, then be quiet because this is supposed to be a sensible discussion.
 

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ya gotta feel sorry for Gail Simone, she's had to put up with all this stupid shit DC's thrown at her lately.  Either her work gets promptly retconned out of existance by the latest interstellar/multiversal reset DC's done (which is happening more and more with alarming frequency), or they just simply kill off her characters.

Yeah, she really got the short end of the stick, didn't she? I mean, they're giving her Batgirl and letting her make Barbara Gordon walk again, but besides that...
 
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They're not "letting" her make Barbara walk again. This is actually a move she's fought against (and won, might I add) on several occasions.
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@LP said:
@Samimista said:
As a female myself I find this very sad there needs to be more women in the industry as they write fictional women more realistically good role models for young girls than the men writers do.
As a MALE comic book lover I'm greately disturbed by this information! WOMEN, WE NEED YOU!
=) This just put a smile on my face. Thanks. ^_______^
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@Samimista said:
As a female myself I find this very sad there needs to be more women in the industry as they write fictional women more realistically good role models for young girls than the men writers do.
As a MALE comic book lover I'm greately disturbed by this information! WOMEN, WE NEED YOU!
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It took a strong female character to get me into comics.. And it has always been female characters who I have loved the most. 
I hope the male/female creator ratio improves. And I also hope storylines improve. I really hope the focus is strong, enduring stories.

This industry seems to be in a significant state change. Whatever we see now will change again.

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@Druid said:
The majority of comic book readers are male so how can you expect the percentage of male/female creators to be much different?That's like complaining that video games and football are slanted to appeal to males. The comic book companies exist to make money and they want their comics to appeal to the majority of their fan base. When you try to get a corporation to do something that makes no business sense, simply to be politically correct, all you end up with is token cooperation.
 
Well the majority of comic book readers use to be kids. Then some genius realized that if they made them more appealing to adults, then you could get more sales since kids and adults = more people, more money lol. I am not so sure anyone is expecting anything, but wanting is something else, as in wanting more people no matter any gender, race, age, sexual preference, reading comics and thus making more money for comic companies allowing them to with that extra money hire the best writers, give us more comics, hopefully not cancel comics.  
 
Video games and football and sorta slanted to appeal to males like Barbie is to girls, but many, many video games, actually, shockingly try to appeal to males and females. Products they see that are successful with females catch on quick and then they try and exploit that even more! lol Comic book companies definitely do not want their comics to appeal (just) to the majority of their fans, they want them to appeal to literally as many people as they can, irrespective of all factors that don't have anything to do with money. Comics do know that they traditionally do well with white males aged a certain number to another certain number, but with their customers having more choices, options, as far as entertainment, tighter spending due to economic reasons, the rate and speed of technology, file sharing, their ability to appeal to more people to get more money isn't as successful as they want which is fair because if it was that easy, every single business ever would have infinite money. So it makes plenty of business sense if they can't find writers that write stories/characters that can be appealing to a lot of different and diverse and bottom line more people, find writers that can. Your definitely accurate as far risks involving attempts to being politically correct and please note I didn't say if males can't write females well get in female writers, but yes, in lieu of success as so far DC will tend to get defensive about how its choosing to justify how its currently doing things. I mean as far as politically correct? How about anyone saying they they only write hire the best writers? How cliche a PC line is that? Like every comic company claims to have the best writers lol if the writers are the best why are comics in such a horrible place right now? Were writers in better 4 years ago? So I don't disagree with your sentiment. Though I am a bit confused as to why you would view comic companies trying to make money from their fan base which comic companies knows for fact, tends to shrink, and so things like this whole big renumbering as an incentive to bring in a bunch of new fans? Comics want comics to appeal to as many people as they can and in a way that will hold and retain as many people as they can. This is why each comic isn't fan service and why fans tend to get pissed and comic companies know they will get pissed time to time. (just hopefully not pissed enough to stop spending money)  
 
(hope I don't sound too condescending by the way, I big ears and are very insecure about them.. I tend to talk like I do just generally 0_0)
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There are folks saying the number of female creators should be proportional to the number of female readers. But it's not as though women can only write stories for women, and men can only write stories for men. I think most people, female and male, would gladly read books written by both men and women anyhow. 
 
If we're talking about staff, then there's just one question that needs to be answered: If women and men can both write and draw good comics, and ability is all that should matter, then why is there such a discrepancy between the number of male and female creators? I'm not going to say what the cause is, because I honestly don't know, but if A) Most men are not inherently better writers and artists than women, B) DC hires all of their creators based on ability alone, and C) There are both men and women looking for work, then something does not compute. 
 
So it looks like either women are inherently inferior writers and artists, DC shows preference to male writers and artists, or there aren't any women who want the job. 

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Women have created very popular characters, including Apocalypse. Now where would the X-Men, X-Force, and the original X-Factor be without Apocalypse. Still in one piece, that's for sure!

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The majority of comic book readers are male so how can you expect the percentage of male/female creators to be much different?
That's like complaining that video games and football are slanted to appeal to males.
The comic book companies exist to make money and they want their comics to appeal to the majority of their fan base.
When you try to get a corporation to do something that makes no business sense, simply to be politically correct, all you end up with is token cooperation.

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I really don't care, as long as DC continues to put out great stories, I'm fine.

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@Nighthunter said:
I've always said it. Every time you strive for diversity just for the sake of diversity you get tokenism out of it.
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I've always said it. Every time you strive for diversity just for the sake of diversity you get tokenism out of it.

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@damswedon said:

@inferiorego: The fact that it happened at every panel just shows how badly Dan Didio and whoever were at the first panel handled the situation. Instead of saying,

"We wanted to have the best writers on the books that we think they would do their best work on regardless. This does not mean Writers and artists like Amanda Conner or Bryan Q Miller won't get books in the future just at the moment we are focusing pushing the DCnU for its launch in September."

they tried to deflect the questions, bully their fans or played the victim. Since the announcement of the DCnU there have been these questions Comic Con should of been where all the fears were squashed, instead every night it seemed like Gail Simone had to run damage control for the crap that happened in their panels from the small things like Dan Didio's constant use of "Best Batgirl" when talking about Barbara Gordon to the huge like not just coming out and saying the deadlines for the first wave of the DCnU are tight and most writers and artist don't want that pressure.

When you think of it the fact that Gail Simone communicates better with the fans than the two "Faces" of DC is sad and a disgrace.

 It wouldnt have happened every day if not for that one girl. She asked a new loaded variation of the same question every day. Thats one squeaky wheel, not a defective tire factory.  And i think Dan said the best thing he could say WITHOUT bullying her (he was never anything but nice, and he even got her a Black chip on sunday for her consistency and passion), and he made a good point. Hireing women for the sake of it would be a bad idea. While she was trying her hardest to paint a picture of DC actively turning down the fairer sex Dan was perfectly respectful to her.
   And Gail said very little to her. The only reason people listen to Gail is because we trust her with our comics. She has done nothing but greatness, and she has no massive stake in the revamp (shes not Head of this or that, so shes easier to trust). She is really only repeating what Jim and Dan say... but shes Gail.
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I hate whenever these discussions come up because life is already hard enough for everyone. I'm a young, white male trying to break into the comic book industry and I feel like everything is a level playing field. It doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, it's difficult as all hell regardless of race or gender or ethnicity. Creators' shouldn't be passed over for being of a certain gender as much as they should be selected for it. Decisions should be made based on talent, ability, work ethic and respect for the industry.

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@keith71_98 said:
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Solid points. I just get annoyed when labels such as sexist are thrown around by people who don't consider the situation and don't take into account all of the facts. I wouldn't dare insinuate DC was sexist when I have no insider knowledge of discrimination or even their hiring practices. But to me it makes sense that there are so many more male creators than female. Except for a small but growing group (my wife included), women just don't love comics. that is also reflected in the number of female creators. You can't force the issue. You can discuss ways to encourage the female demographic to read comics. But DC MUST consider who their bigger audience is especially considering how bad their sale numbers have been.
 
I don't disagree with you (I just wish to make that clear), I don't consider this a false dichotomy situation, where there is a 'right' or a 'wrong' and if we drop all the moral and subjective values concerning sexism, and apply it objectively? well, its not really a bad thing, so if one is trying to take into consider facts, and many do, why would you feel it necessary to have special information to consider and make judgements based on as much info and knowledge that you do have access to, even if to only ask questions? Discrimination isn't just about the unjust attitudes or actions towards a party but can just be about recognition of differences between things, which in short is making this about preferences. In this sense, all things considered, everything is a little sexist, not that I would advocate calling everyone sexist, but comics themselves are, if comic writers write comics, aware that their customers would rather read about males than females, or at least that what seem to be what their wallet suggests.  
 
It does make sense that there are more male creators than female to me, past tense. For the reasons you mention, and your own points also actually demonstrate one other reflection, and its a relatively unknown factor, but its a reflection on why comics have been failing as well. It reflects males not writing female or male characters that relatively well either, it reflects a lot of things. All things considered. DC and Marvel must consider a lot of things, and they probably are, because considering their biggest audience when age/gender/race is getting blurrier and people are being subdivided into more and more minor groupings everyday and getting more options as far as entertainment and ways to spend money, trying to appeal to as many new people as possible as much as traditional fans as possible is a much bigger consideration to be taken into account. In fact we know that Marvel and DC are considering this, because in such times, when they almost have to rely on the idea that long term fans are in this for the long haul and might complain but not walk away, everything else is about trying to be new reader friendly, whether it be entire line up changes, constant renumbering, changing looks of characters potentially viewed as dated? Putting pants on lady characters, except falling or succeeding there will always be one rule, and that's never talk about Fight Club. I mean... uhm lol, as a business don't tell the truth if the truth might hurt or have financial repercussions.  
 
I mean, all us posters as individuals can be blunt for our discretion as far as preferences. No one will judge a guy if he prefers reading about Hulk instead of Superman, because he identifies with Hulk more. DC (and Marvel) can't however say that although they hire the best writers in the world, and then turn around and say that their writers are not good enough to appeal en masse to female readers without supposedly sacrificing male readers, I mean they can, but they have to be careful about their words. Some other mediums can claim to have writers like that, so in one sense if we are looking at numbers, sales and writers that can appeal to both genders without sacrificing from either, as factors to consider a writer the best, Marvel and DC would be blowing smoke, then again, when has, we have the most average and mediocre writers in the world ever proven to be a good company line? 
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@RedRobin04 said:
 Huh? I'm sorry for not being clear in my first post but all I was getting at is that the bottom line is that DC and Marvel are companies and are constantly looking at the bottom line. I am telling you DC and Marvels definition of a good writer is someone who sells, or can potentially sell a lot of books, whats so hard to understand.
 
No apology needed *smile*, what's hard to understand is no where in my post, do I say anything that contradicts what you say. In fact I already made similar points earlier in this thread as far as Marvel and DC looking at the bottom line. Marvel and DC, sure they look for good writers, but that doesn't mean they are looking for the writers they believe are the best as some posters might believe, because this isn't a bubble world or vacuum world and all sorts of other factors have to be taken into account. I mean the fact that Marvel, and then DC exist, is direct proof of this, since if you were to ask DC if they have the best comic writers in the world, are they going to say no? Ask Marvel and they going to say no? Neither can be telling the absolute truth. You ask Marvel if their current writers suck today, compare to in the past when they their writers sold more? They will say yes, our writers sold more in the past, therefore they are better writers? All in all your statements seem rather oversimplified which is fine if you wish to perceive them as so, nothing hard to understand at all, in fact the opposite. It also addresses something quite different than the point I made with sarcasm. (so my sincere apologies if my sarcasm was confusing lol *smile* that was sort of half its point, that gender equality and criticisms involving money, if you want to get really nitty, gritty aren't so easily addressed by just asking for the 'best' writers because that's how it 'should' be)
 
Ice cream taste nice, girls look pretty and throw stones at old people is wrong, etc, etc , I could try and tell you this is what's is, but possible no where have I gathered that you believe these things are not true and maybe no where in your post do you say anything contradictory? 
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What a silly comment.
 
"They tried making tentacle rape look sexy."
 
If you actually think that was their intent, to make rape in any form look sexy, then be quiet because this is supposed to be a sensible discussion.
 

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ya gotta feel sorry for Gail Simone, she's had to put up with all this stupid shit DC's thrown at her lately.  Either her work gets promptly retconned out of existance by the latest interstellar/multiversal reset DC's done (which is happening more and more with alarming frequency), or they just simply kill off her characters.

Yeah, she really got the short end of the stick, didn't she? I mean, they're giving her Batgirl and letting her make Barbara Gordon walk again, but besides that...
 
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@abeyance said:
DC isn't the only company downplaying the value of female creativity and good role models. 
DC isn't downplaying the value of female creativity or good role models. There is no proof here or anywhere else that shows DC is purposely not hiring women because they think men are better in the creative  field than women.   
@abeyance said:
They're also sending a message they don't care about the imagination of women and young girls. The only solution I can think of is all the women creators banning together to form their own company and hiring 5-10 men just to avoid lawsuits like DC has obviously done.  
Did they say they flat out don't like female writers, imply they are inferior to their male counterparts, or somehow discount the work female writers have done in the comics industry. Comics has been more popular amongst males since the beginning, I understand this trend is changing but to expect immediate change is not reasonable. Also I posted this in an earlier post, Gail Simone said it best herself regarding why so few females are on this New 52: 
 
  "I know there are hardly any female creators working on the New 52. The truth is, we did approach more women, but the deadlines were extremely tight for this new project, and a lot of them turned us down. A lot of men turned us down, too. But you’ll definitely be seeing more women in the second wave."     
 
Please stop assuming DC or Marvel are sexist just to serve your point. The funny thing to me is that I agree with most of yours and SC  opinions on this, more diversity in a creative forum will always make for a more interesting and better outcome. 
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@labarith said:
@MrMiracle77 said:
Found a link to a newsarama article on another site that shoots a couple of holes in the 1% claim.   http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-lack-of-female-creators-miscalculated-110803.html  No matter what you're computing, there is always a way to arrange the numbers in a way to favor your own arguments.
Nothing like someone who says "Numbers?  F&CK that.  They're just manipulating you!"
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I'm a huge advocate and proponent of a more female presence in comics but I think demanding more female employees is putting the horse before the carriage a bit. 
 
In order for there to be more examples of female representation DC has to cultivate a female fanbase and create a level of interest in comics amongst women that is comparable to that of the male fans. This means that editors, artists, and writers both male and female need to simply use the women within their franchises to their best of their abilities. There are so many female characters who are over-simplified, over-sexed, under-used, or ignored altogether who have incredible untapped potential that could become a real asset to the DC Universe if harnessed properly. 
 
Being inclusive to women doesn't mean changing the format of comics and it certainly shouldn't involve slumber parties, Sex and the City pastiches, supermodel melodrama, or castration complex nightmares like some men would have you believe. It simply means being more aware of the female characters and telling their stories in a compelling, articulate, and dynamic way like one would with any male character. Women loved Buffy, they loved Kill Bill, and Alias because Buffy, the Bride, and Sydney Bristow were all compelling characters who were never exploited or handled cavalierly by their creators. It's no more complicated than that.  
 
That being said, the people over at DC actually seem really forward thinking and professional and I agree with the way the article commends them for not only answering promptly but for giving a respectful and thoughtful response as well. I've been brushing up a lot more on DC lately and I think that when it comes to female characters they're mostly on the right track and wherever they have mis-stepped they have at least put forth the effort to admit to their shortcomings and work on them. 
 
And really, if anyone deserves to be bitched out for this it has to be some of the slobs at Marvel. I mean, here's how Joe Quesada answered questions about sexism....
 

If you're [a] Marvel reader and truly feel we're sexist, then why are you reading our books? Now, perhaps you're not a Marvel reader, then if that's the case, I'm not quite sure what you're criticizing if you don't read our books?


  Mind you, this was over a "Heroes For Hire" cover  wherein Marvel tried to make tentacle rape look sexy...
 
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I love many Marvel ladies but those jackasses behind the scenes really need to get their act together sometimes.
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@SC said:
@RedRobin04 said:
 It just so happens that the people who write the best stuff usually sell the most,
 As for this? No. Whoever sells the most? Sells the most. Who is the best, is subjective and varies based on what criteria a person defines as the best, which means your definition, DC's definition, Marvel's definition, Alan Moore's definition, and as many other people's definition, will differ, maybe a lot, maybe not so much. So maybe under one definition? Depends. 
Huh? I'm sorry for not being clear in my first post but all I was getting at is that the bottom line is that DC and Marvel are companies and are constantly looking at the bottom line. I am telling you DC and Marvels definition of a good writer is someone who sells, or can potentially sell a lot of books, whats so hard to understand.
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@MrMiracle77 said:
Found a link to a newsarama article on another site that shoots a couple of holes in the 1% claim.   http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-lack-of-female-creators-miscalculated-110803.html  No matter what you're computing, there is always a way to arrange the numbers in a way to favor your own arguments.

Nothing like someone who says "Numbers?  F&CK that.  They're just manipulating you!"
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ya gotta feel sorry for Gail Simone, she's had to put up with all this stupid shit DC's thrown at her lately.  Either her work gets promptly retconned out of existance by the latest interstellar/multiversal reset DC's done (which is happening more and more with alarming frequency), or they just simply kill off her characters.

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@keith71_98: I agree with you 100%

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I wanna know where this stupid idea that girls are for girls came from. Ok, yes, there are males that other males look up to and girls that girls look up to, fictional or otherwise.
 
What bothers me, and what seems to be a more pressing issue, is the idea that girls need to be employed in every possible field, as much as men, in case girls don't have someone to look up to.
 
One of my greatest role models is my mother and her mother before her. I didn't grow up seeing "men" or "women". I grew up to, and was raised to, see character. I am a man, but does this mean if either of the Big Two were an all-girl company that I'd stop reading? No. If the stories are good, they're good. Why the assumption that females need to aspire to other girls? Why can't they see a successful man and be inspired to greatness? Look at Joss Whedon. He is a man with a reputation for writing strong women because his mother was an inspiration to him. He shyed away from directing Wonder Woman because he didn't feel he could do her justice. That's respect.
 
I won't be told that I can be any less inspired by Ms. Marvel's heroism and character than Matt Murdock.
 
Regarding the gender topic: I read comics because they're amazing to me. It's why I listen to music. What I don't do is pick up a fictional comic book or an album in the hopes that the content will someone resonate with my life or be relatable. If, by chance, I can relate to a story, then cool. I do not buy these things to RELATE, though. That is the problem. "I'm a girl and I can't relate to a lot of these male characters." So what? Who cares? I can't relate to many of them either. The whole point is that it's fantasy. I don't ever wanna know what it's like to be who Matt Murdock is, or Ms. Marvel, or Batman, or Haunt, or Spawn, or Catwoman.
 
I love the stories they're in, though.
 
This reminds me of a debate that's been raging regarding football for a LONG time. Actual football, not American football, by the way. Basically, the argument is that there aren't enough home-grown English players in the English league. I don't think there is a starting line-up with entirely English players anymore. Many will tell you this is a problem, but it's not. If English players are good enough (Theo Walcott, Wayne Rooney, Jack Wilshere) then they will get NOTICED. If they're not, as they don't tend to be, then obviously people will go for who is best.
 
Arsene Wenger, manager of Arsenal, once said, "I don't look at passport. I look at talent." Why does the word "Enough" keep getting used? Are there enough English players? Are there enough women in comics? There are as many as there are. Managers only want the best possible players to play for their teams. Why should the Big Two be any different? We need to stop saying "Enough" like there's a set quota.
 
The question is whether or not there are enough GOOD writers in comics, and enough good characters. The answer is yes, absolutely.
 
Look at Deadpool. Marvel didn't think there was ENOUGH Deadpool out there. What happened? They sacrificed ONE on-going series for a billion and one. None of which were any good. There hasn't been a great Deadpool story out since Cable & Deadpool was on-going. One was great, but it wasn't ENOUGH. Marvel started trying to fill a quota and now you've got one of Marvel's best, most underutilised characters being turned into the most obnoxious, over-used, Dane Cook-esque idiot in Marvel today. Why? Because there wasn't "enough" Deadpool.
 
Let what there is be what there is. Unless these companies start hiring the likes of Daniel Way over Gail Simone, purposefully, we have no reason to whine.
 
Feminism is about equality where possible. If I'm hiring a lawyer, I want the best. Man, woman, both, Martian; I don't give a crap. If they're all as good, they should all be paid the same. If I'm in a burning building, I either want a big ass male firefighter who can carry me out, or Chyna from pro-wrestling. A woman generally won't cut it. In comics? I want the best. I would LOVE Gail Simone to take Deadpool back from Daniel Way. I would LOVE that. He sucks, she's the shit.
 
It's one thing to discuss important issues, but to continue shining a glaring spotlight on gender or race where it DOESN'T MATTER? That's serving simply to highlight the differences even further. The same goes for sexuality. I don't care, I couldn't care less.
 
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There are women who are capable of doing great things in this world if given the oppurtunity, even within the fields of creating comics. Personally I call BS if DC claims that there is a lack of women to take certain roles within their organization or fear of placing their organization at risk, or whatever excuse they can come up with. 
 
As for what everybody else is saying, gender shoud never be an issue with creating comics.

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Solid points. I just get annoyed when labels such as sexist are thrown around by people who don't consider the situation and don't take into account all of the facts. I wouldn't dare insinuate DC was sexist when I have no insider knowledge of discrimination or even their hiring practices. But to me it makes sense that there are so many more male creators than female. Except for a small but growing group (my wife included), women just don't love comics. that is also reflected in the number of female creators. You can't force the issue. You can discuss ways to encourage the female demographic to read comics. But DC MUST consider who their bigger audience is especially considering how bad their sale numbers have been.
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DC isn't the only company downplaying the value of female creativity and good role models. I remember my cousin told me Disney isn't doing anymore of those princess movies. She was really pissed about it. It seems like good female role models are hard to come by for young girls no matter where you look. I noticed in most movies the mother has little to no role in the main character's life. If they are present their importance is shared with the father. A good female super heroine is rare to see nowadays. You have Wonder Woman who is supposed to be one of the big three of DC. Yet there hasn't been a decent big screen portrayal of her (personally I like her over Superman). The biggest insult has to be that Green Lantern has a movie out before Wonder Woman. The Avengers movie has spawned new Ironman, Hulk, Thor, and Captain America movies. Black Widow had a little-suckie cameo in Ironman. They haven't even hinted that the Wasp is going to be shown. Again women are being downplayed.  We had three Spiderman movies and not one appearance by the Black Cat who would have made a good partner against Doc Ock in the second movie. The Xmen movies stripped Rogue of her strength (even if was stolen from Ms. Marvel) and reduced her to a damsel in distress type role. Storm was only given a bigger role because Halle Berry had to complain about it and it shouldn't have come to that. I guess what I'm saying is DC isn't the only company out there implying women aren't important in the comic industry. They're also sending a message they don't care about the imagination of women and young girls. The only solution I can think of is all the women creators banning together to form their own company and hiring 5-10 men just to avoid lawsuits like DC has obviously done.

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Found a link to a newsarama article on another site that shoots a couple of holes in the 1% claim.
 
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-lack-of-female-creators-miscalculated-110803.html
 
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@keith71_98:I said a similar thing a few pages back. It doesn't really bother me that their are no female writers working on the books at DC, but I can understand the womans point by looking at the situation in reverse: How would I feel if a female writer were working on Superman and writing an unrealistic representation of my favourite male character? I would feel pretty annoyed to be honest, infact I would be more than annoyed, I would be pissed. So I can understand why women want other women to write their favourite female characters. But maybe the women writers weren't about when they needed them to write the first story arcs for the new reboot. Or perhaps the ones that were weren't a good fit for the extremely important first issues.

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It is hilarious to see the majority trying to tell the minority "Everything is good,m why do we need to change things?? It shouldn't matter if you are not well represented, all that matters is that we are." LOL I heard about this on The Spill.com LEOG "Captain America" episode asking if Isaiah Bradley could ever get his due shine to the level BuckyCap did, and with siting the lack of female creators over at DC, the state comics are in because some fans are loud and basic bigots, something like that wouldn't happen. The I saw the article for the new Ultimate Comics Spider-Man and thought, "maybe things are changing for the better." There are people who don't fit the status quo and will voice their strong opinion even when the majority want the to pipe down. These comic companies are in it to make money, if they remain a slave to an ever shrinking market, comics will never grow. There are more and more girls buying comics, as well as those in other minority groups. These potential costumers want to be catered to. And comic companies want their money. Makes cents (see what I did there???)

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@azza04 said:

@SC: These topics intimidate the hell out of me lmao


The reasons these conversations can spiral out of control is because rarely are they handled with respect these days. I think that the call for women creators is fine as long as it takes into account the reality of the business. Facts must be considered and the insinuations of sexism without proof is irresponsible. Even with more readers today, the number of female readers are well below the number of male readers. It's not automatically sexism because creators in a struggling market make books that appeal to their widest audience therefore bringing in the much needed revenue to stay afloat. 
 
That's my take. But, I fully respect the opinions of others on this. We may disagree, but as long as the points are shared with due respect the conversations can be very informative and productive.
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@SC: These topics intimidate the hell out of me lmao

 
lol, well they can be a bit tense, but all the same, discussion is good, discussion is wonderful, and disagreement is healthy. Personally I think the more discussion, and the more input from more people is great. It sort of just depends, whether your stating an opinion, a preference, or an argument and whether your addressing an opinion, a preference or an argument. (as far as other people go)
 
You should still, totally, totally add your two cents in though. *smile* 
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 It just so happens that the people who write the best stuff usually sell the most,
 
As for this? No. Whoever sells the most? Sells the most. Who is the best, is subjective and varies based on what criteria a person defines as the best, which means your definition, DC's definition, Marvel's definition, Alan Moore's definition, and as many other people's definition, will differ, maybe a lot, maybe not so much. So maybe under one definition? Depends. 
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@SC said:

The only thing I care about and that should matter is the quality of the work. Period. The big two should hire the best. Not sure who is the mighty godlike being who decides who the best 100 or so creators out of a field of like 10,000 (and potentially like  billion)  but given how happy and positive people are in every other comic thread and seeing as comics are selling its highest numbers ever and selling more in quantity than ever, I guess they have to be hiring the best creators. Now since only getting the best writer and artists matters, if the best is a racist, sexist neo nazi who bathes in the blood of endangered wildlife and only ever wants to write and draw stories about robotic carnivorous penguins who spend all day fornicating with rose petal bushes then gawd dammit thats the writer/artist that Marvel and DC should be getting. None of this PC, BS all y'all are spouting. I mean, if that type of person is the best, then they should be writing in Marvel and DC right? It shouldn't matter if he does all that other stuff, and despite writing a masterpiece about mechanical penguins that no one ends up buying because most humans are so stuck up their own' that they 'prefer' stories about humanoids in tights. They should be employed yes, cause you know, they are the best. Should, should, should, should. Now if one disagrees? Well that's not right? I am shocked? How appalling that you suggest the issue be more complicated than that. The best should be writing after all and so you all should ride the STFU Truck to the GTFO Hotel.   (19 Hits of Sarcasm + Godwin's law Combo Multiplier x 2, Gross Generalization %10 added bonus, Acronym %10 added bonus, Strawman 3 strike %10 added bonus, no tokens collected, 2 minutes left on clock = 3450 Round 2 Score) 
I know I'm replying to a sarcastic rant but i just wanted to let you know the point trying to be made here is entirely invalid. The big two's definition of the best is whoever sells the most books, it is pretty hard to argue that fact. It just so happens that the people who write the best stuff usually sell the most, granted some great writers might fall through the cracks or even not care to come to DC or Marvel but thats besides the point. So your sarcastic hypothetical racist, sexist neo nazi would not be recruited for DC or Marvel because no one likes, or buys her hypothetical storys .
 
Well, perhaps before you address my point, you could possibly please clarify what my point is thanks as you understand it? Since I fail to see how your statements that follow address my points and thats the funniest thing I find about this thread (and most threads relating to this subject) is the amount of assuming, oversimplifying, overgeneralizing going on and just a lack of willingness by people to carefully consider and listen to each others arguments. 
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I followed the link in the article to the blog, DC women kicking ass, and read the interview of the woman dressed as batgirl at SDCC and what i found most interesting was the conversations she had with Gail Simone and her husband. Pretty much Gail was playing damage control and trying to save face for DC on the subject of women in DC. 


Anyways, my point is, after the interview in the comments section someone posted something along the lines of what a great writer and person Gail Simone is for "not allowing the boys of DC to bully her or step on her", and this statement is greeted with cheers and positive comments agreeing with this post. Therein lies my problem with this feminist, sexist argument about the whole ordeal, that somehow DC as  company is being portrayed as an out of touch, sexist "boys club" when there is no proof to back this up. There is no proof that the men Gail works with are trying to keep her down, look down on her or even think she does not belong. And to answer the question of why more women aren't working on this New 52 (because that is what this article and forum is ultimately about) was best answered by Gail herself, 


"I know there are hardly any female creators working on the New 52. The truth is, we did approach more women, but the deadlines were extremely tight for this new project, and a lot of them turned us down. A lot of men turned us down, too. But you’ll definitely be seeing more women in the second wave."  

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@SC said:
The only thing I care about and that should matter is the quality of the work. Period. The big two should hire the best. Not sure who is the mighty godlike being who decides who the best 100 or so creators out of a field of like 10,000 (and potentially like  billion)  but given how happy and positive people are in every other comic thread and seeing as comics are selling its highest numbers ever and selling more in quantity than ever, I guess they have to be hiring the best creators. Now since only getting the best writer and artists matters, if the best is a racist, sexist neo nazi who bathes in the blood of endangered wildlife and only ever wants to write and draw stories about robotic carnivorous penguins who spend all day fornicating with rose petal bushes then gawd dammit thats the writer/artist that Marvel and DC should be getting. None of this PC, BS all y'all are spouting. I mean, if that type of person is the best, then they should be writing in Marvel and DC right? It shouldn't matter if he does all that other stuff, and despite writing a masterpiece about mechanical penguins that no one ends up buying because most humans are so stuck up their own' that they 'prefer' stories about humanoids in tights. They should be employed yes, cause you know, they are the best. Should, should, should, should. Now if one disagrees? Well that's not right? I am shocked? How appalling that you suggest the issue be more complicated than that. The best should be writing after all and so you all should ride the STFU Truck to the GTFO Hotel.   (19 Hits of Sarcasm + Godwin's law Combo Multiplier x 2, Gross Generalization %10 added bonus, Acronym %10 added bonus, Strawman 3 strike %10 added bonus, no tokens collected, 2 minutes left on clock = 3450 Round 2 Score) 
I know I'm replying to a sarcastic rant but i just wanted to let you know the point trying to be made here is entirely invalid. The big two's definition of the best is whoever sells the most books, it is pretty hard to argue that fact. It just so happens that the people who write the best stuff usually sell the most, granted some great writers might fall through the cracks or even not care to come to DC or Marvel but thats besides the point. So your sarcastic hypothetical racist, sexist neo nazi would not be recruited for DC or Marvel because no one likes, or buys her hypothetical storys .
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The only thing I care about and that should matter is the quality of the work. Period. The big two should hire the best. Not sure who is the mighty godlike being who decides who the best 100 or so creators out of a field of like 10,000 (and potentially like  billion)  but given how happy and positive people are in every other comic thread and seeing as comics are selling its highest numbers ever and selling more in quantity than ever, I guess they have to be hiring the best creators. Now since only getting the best writer and artists matters, if the best is a racist, sexist neo nazi who bathes in the blood of endangered wildlife and only ever wants to write and draw stories about robotic carnivorous penguins who spend all day fornicating with rose petal bushes then gawd dammit thats the writer/artist that Marvel and DC should be getting. None of this PC, BS all y'all are spouting. I mean, if that type of person is the best, then they should be writing in Marvel and DC right? It shouldn't matter if he does all that other stuff, and despite writing a masterpiece about mechanical penguins that no one ends up buying because most humans are so stuck up their own' that they 'prefer' stories about humanoids in tights. They should be employed yes, cause you know, they are the best. Should, should, should, should. Now if one disagrees? Well that's not right? I am shocked? How appalling that you suggest the issue be more complicated than that. The best should be writing after all and so you all should ride the STFU Truck to the GTFO Hotel.  
 
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I think that demand is dumb, seriously, the gender is the least relevant issue when it comes to creating comics, it's all about creativity. It's like demanding the Wu-Tang Clan to get a female rapper. It's not sexist, it's just the fittest person for the job. My suggestion is that if you girls want more female talents in the biz, show them you have mad skills.
In pure numbers, what's the ratio of girls into comics against their male "counterparts"? Obviously, more men are working in comics, because they have shown more interest in the field. 
 
How many girls read Hack/Slash when Emily Stone was working in it? I interviewed Tim Seeley, and he says she defined Cassie better than even he did. Emily is SO talented, and, how many girls supported that?
 
@Samimista said:

As a female myself I find this very sad there needs to be more women in the industry as they write fictional women more realistically good role models for young girls than the men writers do.


Have you read Hepcats or Strangers in Paradise?
Makes me miss her Hack/Slash as well :/
But people seem to miss lil' gems like that and scream it's lacking in the mainstream books after a while...
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@jrock85 Not really a Claremont fan, so I can't speak to his ability to wrote strong female characters. Greg Rucka, Bryan Q Miller, Grant Morrison, Mike Carey, they all come to mind. But the sad fact is that most men don't write strong female characters. It's a sad but unfortunate truth. So for me, this whole thing isn't so much about having more female writers and creators (I don't really care about sex as long as I'm getting a good story/art), I care about female chracters being accurately and respectfully portrayed and women have a record of doing a better job at that than men.

Storm is iconic because of him. Rogue is another character that he developed considerably (even though all that development got flushed down the toilet in one issue of Legacy). He also did a lot for Sage.
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@Babs: that girl was pissing me off. I mean, i understand (to a degree) her point of view, but she got up every singe day with a new loaded question, and had to be shooooed away every time. Her little attacks almost made me miss my first ever DC panel question!! Thank god for Sundays extended time.
  
 as far as her argument, its a very tragic one... but its something that just is. Its something i similarly had to come to terms with when Milestone disappeared from the market: the Demographic of the Comics community. 
 
 lets be frank here, comics are mostly read by White males. In the 30's all the way up into around the 60's, white males were the only people with the money and freedom to read comics. Of course like dozens of other things in history, this initial demographic set a trend that has trickled to the present.  And as i realized, this effects why even with a dedicated crew of minority writers and artist creating minority focused comics, Milestone still couldnt cut it. At the end of the day, their customer base was just not big enough. And me getting up in front of a panel 80% white men and complaining about the lack of black writers wouldnt have gone over any better than her complaints did.
  

  To the point: 

women are not a huge number of comics readers. The product reflects the market. Its just the truth. If the market was saturated in women, we would have hundreds of thousands of women trying to break into the comics medium. But most of the best up and coming female artists and writers dont give a crap about Super heroes. I know 6 different FANTASTIC female artists who only want to draw anime IF THAT.
  DC has a low percentage of Women PURELY because there isnt really a large mass of talented women trying to work for them. Going to the countries Biggest Comic convention and pointing at all the females isnt an accurate portrayal of the markets female customers. When  fantastically skilled women show up with an awesome style at the right time, they will get hired (just like everyone else). But the last thing the Women in comics movement needs is an "affirmative action" situation.
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@jrock85 Not really a Claremont fan, so I can't speak to his ability to wrote strong female characters. Greg Rucka, Bryan Q Miller, Grant Morrison, Mike Carey, they all come to mind. But the sad fact is that most men don't write strong female characters. It's a sad but unfortunate truth. So for me, this whole thing isn't so much about having more female writers and creators (I don't really care about sex as long as I'm getting a good story/art), I care about female chracters being accurately and respectfully portrayed and women have a record of doing a better job at that than men.
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As a female myself I find this very sad there needs to be more women in the industry as they write fictional women more realistically good role models for young girls than the men writers do.
Hundreds of thousands of Whedon fans beg to disagree.
Whedon is one guy, though. Admittedly, he writes stronger female characters than most (if not all) other male writers out there, that doesnt meant that all men fall into that group. Generally, females write stronger female characters and female characters in general with a better grasp of understanding than most men in the industry. Whedon is a RARE exception.