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DC Responds to Concerns over Lack of Female Comic Creators

Is the reported 12% to 1% drop in female creators incorrect?

You may have heard about the fan uprising first triggered after a San Diego Comic-Con 'DC New 52' panel in which a brave young lady asked the panelists (which comprised of only male creators) the question, 'where are all the women'? after noticing how few of DC's female characters will be receiving ongoing solo books this fall. You can read a great interview where she delves into her observations at the DC Women Kicking Ass blog. The conversation shifted from not only the drop in female solo books, the the drop in the number of female comic creators who would be working at DC come relaunch.

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One of the most contentious topics (and something claimed by a male reader during the panel) is that DC Comics would go from having 12% of their creators being female to a mere 1% starting this fall. You can read more about exactly how this conversation started at The Beat. If these numbers are accurate, this drop in the number of women who would be working at DC is definitely staggering. It also means that the number of women working at DC would be a poor representation of the number of DC readers who are also women. The big question is, how accurate is this number and where did it come from?

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According to a recent article at Bleeding Cool, the "52 titles feature 160 credited creators, 157 male and 3 female." These numbers are in fact exceptionally low, but it should be noted that they also fail to encompass all of the women who would be working at DC comics come September. The numbers tallied in the article only take into account the female cover artists, artists and writers working on the 52 new upcoming books based on the solicits released for September, which can be found here. These numbers don't take into account the number of women editors, assistant editors, colorists, inkers and more that work on a comic book to get it published.

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Even if these numbers are not accurate, the uproar that followed took the internet comic bloggers by storm. The fan reaction so heavily impacted DC's higher ups that on Friday they published a press release on DC Source blog. stating that DC takes their fans' "concerns very seriously."

We’ve been very fortunate in recent years to have fan favorite creators like Gail Simone, Amy Reeder, Felicia Henderson, Fiona Staples, Amanda Connor, G. Willow Wilson and Nicola Scott write and draw the adventures of the World’s Greatest Super Heroes.

DC Comics is the home of a pantheon of remarkable, iconic women characters like Wonder Woman, Lois Lane, Batgirl, Batwoman, Catwoman and Supergirl as well as fan favorite characters like Black Canary, Katana, Mera and Starfire. We’re committed to telling diverse stories with a diverse point of view. We want these adventures to resonate in the real world, reflecting the experiences of our diverse readership. Can we improve on that? We always can—and aim to.

We’ll have exciting news about new projects with women creators in the coming months and will be making those announcements closer to publication. Many of the above creators will be working on new projects, as we continue to tell the ongoing adventures of our characters. We know there are dozens of other women creators and we welcome the opportunity to work with them.

Our recent announcements have generated much attention and discussion and we welcome that dialogue.

Regardless of whether DC had been actively seeking out women to work for their company or not (which they claimed to have been doing), the fact that the publisher recognized and responded to the demands of both male and female fans alike regarding the demand for more women working on their comics is not something that should go unrecognized. Was this response generated by a young woman who was brave enough to ask the tough questions at Comic-Con? Or had DC been actively pursuing female creators (like they claimed) and simply could not find any? I'll go with the former. What do you think?

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I'm going to catch hell for this, but who cares. I want quality and Equality isn't a factor, so I don't care. If the best stories possible are coming from men, so be it. If the best stories are coming from women, so be it. I don't think DC should have to take a dip in quality just to be diverse in their creators. Babs should really change the record when it comes to her articles. Comics are a man's medium. I may sound misogynistic, and I am not, but it's the truth. by saying that the woman at Comic Con was brave just goes to show that she can't be objective on this matter.

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@The Jeff: Comics are a man's medium

 
No, they're not.
While the dying superhero genre might be more male dominated, the idea that guys are somehow better at writing and drawing stories is just flat out idiotic. Alternative comics tend to be heavy on the women at the moment, and there are a huge amount of female webcomic creators. Not to mention there are more comics aimed at girls and women when you leave the US.
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@The Jeff said:

I'm going to catch hell for this, but who cares. I want quality and Equality isn't a factor, so I don't care. If the best stories possible are coming from men, so be it. If the best stories are coming from women, so be it. I don't think DC should have to take a dip in quality just to be diverse in their creators. Babs should really change the record when it comes to her articles. Comics are a man's medium. I may sound misogynistic, and I am not, but it's the truth. by saying that the woman at Comic Con was brave just goes to show that she can't be objective on this matter.

Did you read the interview with that "brave young woman" linked above? She stood up to Dan Didio. That guy is not easy to talk to. Have you met him? Maybe it's easy for some people to go up to a microphone and speak to a panel full of guys, and ask them where all the girls are, but it sure would be unnerving for me.

If comics are a man's medium, then why the heck do I work for Comic Vine.

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@antiterra said:

If all men could write female characters the way Terry Moore, Brian Wood or Greg Rucka do, I'd say gender doesn't matter.

This. :)

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@Babs said:

There are enough female comic book readers out there.

 
Even if it was actually true that there are enough female comic book readers, which quite frankly there can't be, why exactly does this suddenly mean that the selection process of writers and artists now has to be hampered by a variable as absurd as gender ? Should writers and artists with more talent be kicked out in favor of political correctness ?
 
I don't think some people here even realize just how sexist their arguments are.

The question is whether or not the number of women working in comics is directly proportional to the number of women who read those books.

 I can hardly see how that would be important to the quality and development of the comics I read.
 
Unless somebody brings proof that female writers and artists are being excluded by DC Comics from working with them, then the whole idea behind this topic is moot.
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The funny part is, Marvel has been horribly negligent and no one criticizes them as harshly. 

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@Dr. Detfink: When they keep two out of a hundred women on the payroll, then they can join the thread. I just find it funny they kept Perez, and he's absolutely worthless.

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@The Jeff: Wow, not true at all. This coming from a guy, comics are a medium for EVERYONE. That's like saying comics and animation are for children. Yeah sure I know a lot of guys who read comics, but I know a lot of girls who read them as well. Comics are for everyone. Your statement was not only  misogynistic, it was pretentious and stupid. It is just plain dumb to assume comics are a "man's medium". 
 
Technically any activity based on your statement would be considered a "man's activity" because there are more men in the world than women. 
 
Anyways, most of their male writers suck. Why do you think their sales have dipped. Their stories are stagnant and no longer hold onto the attention of readers.
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Put Kelly Sue DeConnick on a DC book after her Supergirl arc, then we can talk.

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@LB70145 said:
Anyways, most of their male writers suck. Why do you think their sales have dipped. Their stories are stagnant and no longer hold onto the attention of readers.
You couldn't be more wrong about that. If the male writers suck, how come Scott Snyder is killing it on American Vampire and Detective Comics? How come Jeff Lemire is doing a great job on the Frankenstein mini in Flashpoint? It's not because they suck, I'll tell you that.
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@CrimsonTempest: Well for one, I said most of their writers suck not all of them. Two, you listed two writers. Three, American Vampire is Vertigo and I don't count Vertigo as part of DC. Every Vertigo title is amazing. Four, you can't deny that the dip is sales is the cause in the new 52 and the reason why there is a dip in sales is because there are fewer people reading them. If fewer people are reading that means the writing is stagnant. Not necessarily bad but not good either. 
 
I will give you the fact that I am not reading anything in Flashpoint right now. So maybe your right and their pulling it together as the universe is collapsing around them.
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as a girl comic book lover i would love to see more female writers! but it really does not matter as long as the writer makes the story good im fine with it.

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@LB70145: well save for Marie Severen, the silver age was a male dominated era, and it stands out as one of the best in comic history. are women great writers? sure. Some of the early James Bond films had rewrites by women and look at Kathy Bigelow, female Oscar winning director. I'm not saying that women aren't capable of this but what I am saying is it that the best  work is necessary for these businesses to survive. Diversity should come second to quality of work. If I was DC, I'd take the best I could get no matter who provided it, but I would not lose money just to reach out to a market that is so small. 
 
@Feliciano2040 said:
@Babs said:

There are enough female comic book readers out there.

 
Even if it was actually true that there are enough female comic book readers, which quite frankly there can't be, why exactly does this suddenly mean that the selection process of writers and artists now has to be hampered by a variable as absurd as gender ? Should writers and artists with more talent be kicked out in favor of political correctness ?
 
I don't think some people here even realize just how sexist their arguments are.

The question is whether or not the number of women working in comics is directly proportional to the number of women who read those books.

 I can hardly see how that would be important to the quality and development of the comics I read.  Unless somebody brings proof that female writers and artists are being excluded by DC Comics from working with them, then the whole idea behind this topic is moot.
couldn't agree with you more. Almost all of Bab's articles are centered around "Women in comics" which is fine but her points are just bad(IMO) 
@Babs said:

@The Jeff said:

I'm going to catch hell for this, but who cares. I want quality and Equality isn't a factor, so I don't care. If the best stories possible are coming from men, so be it. If the best stories are coming from women, so be it. I don't think DC should have to take a dip in quality just to be diverse in their creators. Babs should really change the record when it comes to her articles. Comics are a man's medium. I may sound misogynistic, and I am not, but it's the truth. by saying that the woman at Comic Con was brave just goes to show that she can't be objective on this matter.

Did you read the interview with that "brave young woman" linked above? She stood up to Dan Didio. That guy is not easy to talk to. Have you met him? Maybe it's easy for some people to go up to a microphone and speak to a panel full of guys, and ask them where all the girls are, but it sure would be unnerving for me.

If comics are a man's medium, then why the heck do I work for Comic Vine.

My point still stands. Mainstream comics are still run by men and ComicVine is not mainstream comics. ComicVine is a website about comic books. You do not work directly in the comic book field. I'm not trying to be mean but you want to make it out like you are a victim here. The woman who spoke to Dan Didio isn't that groundbreaking, I've spoken to the president in front of a few thousand people and I still don't consider that such a "brave thing". DC is a company who has a PR image to maintain so you know they wouldn't do something to embarrass her. She wasn't in any danger, so what did she have to fear? It's not earth shattering that she spoke to a man. Men are equal to women so how is it so brave that she spoke to what should be considered her equal?
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@Dr. Detfink said:

The funny part is, Marvel has been horribly negligent and no one criticizes them as harshly.

I've thought a lot about this the last few hours.

@The Jeff said:

@LB70145: well save for Marie Severen, the silver age was a male dominated era, and it stands out as one of the best in comic history. are women great writers? sure. Some of the early James Bond films had rewrites by women and look at Kathy Bigelow, female Oscar winning director. I'm not saying that women aren't capable of this but what I am saying is it that the best work is necessary for these businesses to survive. Diversity should come second to quality of work. If I was DC, I'd take the best I could get no matter who provided it, but I would not lose money just to reach out to a market that is so small.

@Feliciano2040 said:
@Babs said:

There are enough female comic book readers out there.

Even if it was actually true that there are enough female comic book readers, which quite frankly there can't be, why exactly does this suddenly mean that the selection process of writers and artists now has to be hampered by a variable as absurd as gender ? Should writers and artists with more talent be kicked out in favor of political correctness ?

I don't think some people here even realize just how sexist their arguments are.

The question is whether or not the number of women working in comics is directly proportional to the number of women who read those books.

I can hardly see how that would be important to the quality and development of the comics I read. Unless somebody brings proof that female writers and artists are being excluded by DC Comics from working with them, then the whole idea behind this topic is moot.
couldn't agree with you more. Almost all of Bab's articles are centered around "Women in comics" which is fine but her points are just bad(IMO)
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@The Jeff said:

I'm going to catch hell for this, but who cares. I want quality and Equality isn't a factor, so I don't care. If the best stories possible are coming from men, so be it. If the best stories are coming from women, so be it. I don't think DC should have to take a dip in quality just to be diverse in their creators. Babs should really change the record when it comes to her articles. Comics are a man's medium. I may sound misogynistic, and I am not, but it's the truth. by saying that the woman at Comic Con was brave just goes to show that she can't be objective on this matter.

Did you read the interview with that "brave young woman" linked above? She stood up to Dan Didio. That guy is not easy to talk to. Have you met him? Maybe it's easy for some people to go up to a microphone and speak to a panel full of guys, and ask them where all the girls are, but it sure would be unnerving for me.

If comics are a man's medium, then why the heck do I work for Comic Vine.

My point still stands. Mainstream comics are still run by men and ComicVine is not mainstream comics. ComicVine is a website about comic books. You do not work directly in the comic book field. I'm not trying to be mean but you want to make it out like you are a victim here. The woman who spoke to Dan Didio isn't that groundbreaking, I've spoken to the president in front of a few thousand people and I still don't consider that such a "brave thing". DC is a company who has a PR image to maintain so you know they wouldn't do something to embarrass her. She wasn't in any danger, so what did she have to fear? It's not earth shattering that she spoke to a man. Men are equal to women so how is it so brave that she spoke to what should be considered her equal?

I'm very sorry you seem to think the points I make are "bad."

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I think that demand is dumb, seriously, the gender is the least relevant issue when it comes to creating comics, it's all about creativity. It's like demanding the Wu-Tang Clan to get a female rapper. It's not sexist, it's just the fittest person for the job. My suggestion is that if you girls want more female talents in the biz, show them you have mad skills.
In pure numbers, what's the ratio of girls into comics against their male "counterparts"? Obviously, more men are working in comics, because they have shown more interest in the field. 
 
How many girls read Hack/Slash when Emily Stone was working in it? I interviewed Tim Seeley, and he says she defined Cassie better than even he did. Emily is SO talented, and, how many girls supported that?
 
@Samimista said:

As a female myself I find this very sad there needs to be more women in the industry as they write fictional women more realistically good role models for young girls than the men writers do.


Have you read Hepcats or Strangers in Paradise?
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i would love to see a woman tackle a book like justice league or batman, or superman, wolverine, x-men, you name it! why is it every time a female writer comes onto the scene they are automatically dropped on the female books? gail simone was one of the best writers of deadpool! id love to see her do batman. 

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@The Jeff said:
@LB70145: well save for Marie Severen, the silver age was a male dominated era, and it stands out as one of the best in comic history. are women great writers? sure. Some of the early James Bond films had rewrites by women and look at Kathy Bigelow, female Oscar winning director. I'm not saying that women aren't capable of this but what I am saying is it that the best  work is necessary for these businesses to survive. Diversity should come second to quality of work. If I was DC, I'd take the best I could get no matter who provided it, but I would not lose money just to reach out to a market that is so small. 
 

My two cents:
 
As less as I like his other points I have to admit this one is quite valid. In the end I'll read a Garth Ennis over a Gail Simone every day (not that ANY of them are bad but when I have to choose it will always be my boy Ennis). Gender should not be an issue when it comes to writers. Sure, i want to see female writers, I want to be represented but in the end I want A GOOD STORY more than everything else. It's just a shame that we don't have that many awesome female writers out there waiting for their chance while male writers who deliver mediocre stories at best are allowed to continue their work (for example Loeb towards whom I harbor a personal grudge, you don't have to agree with me, that's the point.) In this point he is right: Gender should not play a role. But on the other hand talented female writers should get a chance on the same basis of equality that I demand when judging their work.
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@The Jeff: Way to acknowledge my point dude. Again Comics are for everyone. Also, how do you know that Diversity won't bring in Quality? Also, we don't live in the Silver Age anymore. How can we know how well women can write if they are not given a chance? Also, the market for female comic fans is not small. Its a stupid business decision to not go after a market of your audience no matter how small (even though that market is anything but small). Ignoring that part of your audience is a bad business decision no matter how you look at it.
 
Also, to your point toward Babs. DC did embarrass her (the Batgirl). You obviously didn't read the articles and didn't read how they mocked her not to mention didn't give her a straight answer.  Specifically Grant Morrison's answer to her. Since you are too lazy to read. To her question of "why aren't there more female creators?" Grant Morrison said that he looks pretty good in dress. If DC has a PR image it is apparently to belittle their fans and not give straight answers to very valid questions. Its also not earth shattering that she stood up to a man. It is earth shattering that she stood up to DC as a whole and no matter how they mocked her, no matter how much she was ignored and ridiculed, she not only presented a valid argument she was persistent and still cares about those characters.
 
Just because Comics are run by men doesn't mean that it is a man's medium. Cinema is run mainly by men therefore movies are a man's medium? No. Being a chef, a male dominated profession, is not a profession only for men. Your logic just doesn't make sense. Men (a majority of the planet's population) breathes air, according to you air must be something mainly for men. Come on dude try to keep an open mind and be more understanding.
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I sat in the Marvel Editor's Q&A at Midtown comics monthly book club at the downtown branch a few months ago. Editor Tom Brevoort said, "I don't see race or sex but more like one fan base..." Which is a good answer. I'd like to believe "Oh it's about the best writer for the fans..." Except you read crap like Loeb's Ultimates where Tony and Natasha's sex tape is uploaded and the team's just sitting there watching it. Clearly not the best writing from Loeb never mind writing in general.  Bendis is back to making male characters into man whores, this time we're back to Hawkeye doing it again (remember Avengers Dissembled with Clint/Wanda) except what was the point of bringing back Mockingbird in Secret Invasion? I can go on.
 
Meanwhile, Gail Simone's Secret Six, Birds of Prey..in particular Secret Six was hands down the BEST team book at DC gets canceled. Amanda Conner was told she can't keep a monthly schedule and pushed out of Power Girl. Nicola Scott can't find a spot but Rob Liefeld and Bret Booth were given gigs. 
 
I love these cosplay fans at SDCC but that's the wrong Con to take any kind of pulse. Why? Cause people are more interested in media panels and not comic books. Tumble weeds blow past Artist's alley vs. NYCC where it's way more in favor of comics and even the Vertigo panel is standing room if you don't like up an hour ahead of time.
 
It's like why would I go where publishing is dying...and neglect where comic book shops are expanding like NYC?

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It's all about quality. If the men hired for the relaunch have better quality art or writing or story lines for what DC wants, then that's what they have. As a female reader, yes it would be awesome to see more women writing, or doing art, or more female superheroes (especially with their own series), but geeze, be happy there ARE women there and just enjoy the stories. I got over it.

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It matters because besides making atrocious story decisions, DC is apparently sexistly denying the good female writers writing roles. 
 
AKA, you are getting an inferior product because someone at DC has a metaphorical hard-on for literal hard-ons.

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What I don't understand is the argument that most of the people who read comics are male, and so it's OK for the artists to be male too.  I think pretty obviously that if there were more female creators and more female characters, then more girls and women would get into comics. 
 
My 6-year old girl is annoyed with the fact that there aren't many female characters.  If she can tell, I think that issue should be pretty obvious to any adults. 
 
As for creators, I think women creators can make all kinds of work.  Some of it may provide more of a woman's point of view.  Some of it may not.  But they're important just to have around.  Every industry that's started off with all of one kind of person, and has become more integrated, has become more successful.  It's like the Supreme Court.  Until there were women on the court, the men didn't even think about some of the issues that might be relevant to a case.  I don't think you need any quotas, but if your percentages are running so small as to be anywhere NEAR one OR twelve percent, then you've got a problem.  You need to actively recruit more, you need to nurture the talent so it's up to your quality.  Otherwise you do get a locker room culture, and that breeds a problem of unanimity of viewpoint that makes it hard for you to even realize you're not speaking to people outside your own group.

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@LB70145 said:
@CrimsonTempest: Well for one, I said most of their writers suck not all of them. Two, you listed two writers. Three, American Vampire is Vertigo and I don't count Vertigo as part of DC. Every Vertigo title is amazing. Four, you can't deny that the dip is sales is the cause in the new 52 and the reason why there is a dip in sales is because there are fewer people reading them. If fewer people are reading that means the writing is stagnant. Not necessarily bad but not good either.  I will give you the fact that I am not reading anything in Flashpoint right now. So maybe your right and their pulling it together as the universe is collapsing around them.
Look up Frankenstein and the Monsters of the Unknown by Lemire, Project Superman by Snyder and Francis, and my favorite, Batman Knight of Vengeance by Azzarello and Risso. Those are the 3 mini-series out of Flashpoint you should read. Really good stuff.
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Good story quallity is all i care about not the who the writer is, so i really don't care, unless they are not hiring the females on purpose.
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@Babs: I still think female writers are just skipping over the comic industry and working in the book industry, from what I see the percentage of female novelists is always increasing. It may be because comics are still coming off as a male only industry but it may also be because novels are a more socially acceptable career and it probably pays a hell of a lot better then writing comics and you get more freedom most likely. 
 
And Terry Moore is indeed freaking awesome, all around great guy to talk to and fantastic writer/artist, I really wish he would put out more SIP or more books like SIP, Echo just wasn't up to his normal standards.
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@Feliciano2040 said:
@inferiorego said:

As a person who was at many of the DC panels at SDCC, I can say this. She asked that question at every single panel, and by Saturday, the crowd had enough of her. She came off as malicious.

According to that stat, 1.9% of the DC books have a female involved in them, but how many women do you know that read comics compared to your male friends? Aside from Babs, I have 0 female friends that read comics, and 2 that were forced into a couple series but haven't picked up a book since then. In fact, before joining this site, I had never met/known a woman who reads comic books on a regular basis. It's not a new thing. Many people know and realize that the majority of girls simply do not read comic books. So I think it's a pretty decent representation of the comic book reading population. They want to hire the best of the best because, let's face it, the company's not doing as well as it used to.

If the best happens to be an Asian transvestite, so be it. Race and sex shouldn't matter as long as the books are good. Hire the best. Making a big deal about the race or sex is backwards thinking. We're humans. We need to stop dividing ourselves up into little factions then complaining about the other factions.

What would you rather have: DC search out and take risks on new talent while the company is seemingly struggling and they could take a hit on sales or would you rather DC just hire awesome creators, regardless of focusing on b.s. like this?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to write an article to Cosmo complaining their aren't enough male writers for the magazine.

So much yes to this.  I'm going to take a lot of heat for this, but it's ridiculous how people concern themselves about these kind of things.  Would it be reasonable if I complained about the lack of latin american writers in DC Comics ?
YES.
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Wow DC, "Where the Ladies at?" seriously tho it would do DC some good with more creative genius like Gale working for them, I Hate Bane, but I love her Bane. Now how that is possible heck if I know, but Secret Six is one of my favorite DC titles which I am truly going to miss do to this relaunch/reboot.

My question is what's really the situation here, I would highly doubt that DC is turning to a "He Man Woman haters club" so what is it, is there a lack in Female talent out there? or do Woman feel reluctant to play by DC's rules?

Her Bane is a loser who can't even control Catman.Sorry but i can't wait for Bane to be off her hands.
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@CrimsonTempest: Thanks for the recommendations. I'll be sure to check those out.
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As a female myself I find this very sad there needs to be more women in the industry as they write fictional women more realistically good role models for young girls than the men writers do.
Hundreds of thousands of Whedon fans beg to disagree.
Whedon is one guy, though. Admittedly, he writes stronger female characters than most (if not all) other male writers out there, that doesnt meant that all men fall into that group. Generally, females write stronger female characters and female characters in general with a better grasp of understanding than most men in the industry. Whedon is a RARE exception.
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Don't forget Chris Claremont.
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@jrock85 Not really a Claremont fan, so I can't speak to his ability to wrote strong female characters. Greg Rucka, Bryan Q Miller, Grant Morrison, Mike Carey, they all come to mind. But the sad fact is that most men don't write strong female characters. It's a sad but unfortunate truth. So for me, this whole thing isn't so much about having more female writers and creators (I don't really care about sex as long as I'm getting a good story/art), I care about female chracters being accurately and respectfully portrayed and women have a record of doing a better job at that than men.
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@Babs: that girl was pissing me off. I mean, i understand (to a degree) her point of view, but she got up every singe day with a new loaded question, and had to be shooooed away every time. Her little attacks almost made me miss my first ever DC panel question!! Thank god for Sundays extended time.
  
 as far as her argument, its a very tragic one... but its something that just is. Its something i similarly had to come to terms with when Milestone disappeared from the market: the Demographic of the Comics community. 
 
 lets be frank here, comics are mostly read by White males. In the 30's all the way up into around the 60's, white males were the only people with the money and freedom to read comics. Of course like dozens of other things in history, this initial demographic set a trend that has trickled to the present.  And as i realized, this effects why even with a dedicated crew of minority writers and artist creating minority focused comics, Milestone still couldnt cut it. At the end of the day, their customer base was just not big enough. And me getting up in front of a panel 80% white men and complaining about the lack of black writers wouldnt have gone over any better than her complaints did.
  

  To the point: 

women are not a huge number of comics readers. The product reflects the market. Its just the truth. If the market was saturated in women, we would have hundreds of thousands of women trying to break into the comics medium. But most of the best up and coming female artists and writers dont give a crap about Super heroes. I know 6 different FANTASTIC female artists who only want to draw anime IF THAT.
  DC has a low percentage of Women PURELY because there isnt really a large mass of talented women trying to work for them. Going to the countries Biggest Comic convention and pointing at all the females isnt an accurate portrayal of the markets female customers. When  fantastically skilled women show up with an awesome style at the right time, they will get hired (just like everyone else). But the last thing the Women in comics movement needs is an "affirmative action" situation.
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@jrock85 Not really a Claremont fan, so I can't speak to his ability to wrote strong female characters. Greg Rucka, Bryan Q Miller, Grant Morrison, Mike Carey, they all come to mind. But the sad fact is that most men don't write strong female characters. It's a sad but unfortunate truth. So for me, this whole thing isn't so much about having more female writers and creators (I don't really care about sex as long as I'm getting a good story/art), I care about female chracters being accurately and respectfully portrayed and women have a record of doing a better job at that than men.

Storm is iconic because of him. Rogue is another character that he developed considerably (even though all that development got flushed down the toilet in one issue of Legacy). He also did a lot for Sage.
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I think that demand is dumb, seriously, the gender is the least relevant issue when it comes to creating comics, it's all about creativity. It's like demanding the Wu-Tang Clan to get a female rapper. It's not sexist, it's just the fittest person for the job. My suggestion is that if you girls want more female talents in the biz, show them you have mad skills.
In pure numbers, what's the ratio of girls into comics against their male "counterparts"? Obviously, more men are working in comics, because they have shown more interest in the field. 
 
How many girls read Hack/Slash when Emily Stone was working in it? I interviewed Tim Seeley, and he says she defined Cassie better than even he did. Emily is SO talented, and, how many girls supported that?
 
@Samimista said:

As a female myself I find this very sad there needs to be more women in the industry as they write fictional women more realistically good role models for young girls than the men writers do.


Have you read Hepcats or Strangers in Paradise?
Makes me miss her Hack/Slash as well :/
But people seem to miss lil' gems like that and scream it's lacking in the mainstream books after a while...
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The only thing I care about and that should matter is the quality of the work. Period. The big two should hire the best. Not sure who is the mighty godlike being who decides who the best 100 or so creators out of a field of like 10,000 (and potentially like  billion)  but given how happy and positive people are in every other comic thread and seeing as comics are selling its highest numbers ever and selling more in quantity than ever, I guess they have to be hiring the best creators. Now since only getting the best writer and artists matters, if the best is a racist, sexist neo nazi who bathes in the blood of endangered wildlife and only ever wants to write and draw stories about robotic carnivorous penguins who spend all day fornicating with rose petal bushes then gawd dammit thats the writer/artist that Marvel and DC should be getting. None of this PC, BS all y'all are spouting. I mean, if that type of person is the best, then they should be writing in Marvel and DC right? It shouldn't matter if he does all that other stuff, and despite writing a masterpiece about mechanical penguins that no one ends up buying because most humans are so stuck up their own' that they 'prefer' stories about humanoids in tights. They should be employed yes, cause you know, they are the best. Should, should, should, should. Now if one disagrees? Well that's not right? I am shocked? How appalling that you suggest the issue be more complicated than that. The best should be writing after all and so you all should ride the STFU Truck to the GTFO Hotel.  
 
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The only thing I care about and that should matter is the quality of the work. Period. The big two should hire the best. Not sure who is the mighty godlike being who decides who the best 100 or so creators out of a field of like 10,000 (and potentially like  billion)  but given how happy and positive people are in every other comic thread and seeing as comics are selling its highest numbers ever and selling more in quantity than ever, I guess they have to be hiring the best creators. Now since only getting the best writer and artists matters, if the best is a racist, sexist neo nazi who bathes in the blood of endangered wildlife and only ever wants to write and draw stories about robotic carnivorous penguins who spend all day fornicating with rose petal bushes then gawd dammit thats the writer/artist that Marvel and DC should be getting. None of this PC, BS all y'all are spouting. I mean, if that type of person is the best, then they should be writing in Marvel and DC right? It shouldn't matter if he does all that other stuff, and despite writing a masterpiece about mechanical penguins that no one ends up buying because most humans are so stuck up their own' that they 'prefer' stories about humanoids in tights. They should be employed yes, cause you know, they are the best. Should, should, should, should. Now if one disagrees? Well that's not right? I am shocked? How appalling that you suggest the issue be more complicated than that. The best should be writing after all and so you all should ride the STFU Truck to the GTFO Hotel.   (19 Hits of Sarcasm + Godwin's law Combo Multiplier x 2, Gross Generalization %10 added bonus, Acronym %10 added bonus, Strawman 3 strike %10 added bonus, no tokens collected, 2 minutes left on clock = 3450 Round 2 Score) 
I know I'm replying to a sarcastic rant but i just wanted to let you know the point trying to be made here is entirely invalid. The big two's definition of the best is whoever sells the most books, it is pretty hard to argue that fact. It just so happens that the people who write the best stuff usually sell the most, granted some great writers might fall through the cracks or even not care to come to DC or Marvel but thats besides the point. So your sarcastic hypothetical racist, sexist neo nazi would not be recruited for DC or Marvel because no one likes, or buys her hypothetical storys .
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I followed the link in the article to the blog, DC women kicking ass, and read the interview of the woman dressed as batgirl at SDCC and what i found most interesting was the conversations she had with Gail Simone and her husband. Pretty much Gail was playing damage control and trying to save face for DC on the subject of women in DC. 


Anyways, my point is, after the interview in the comments section someone posted something along the lines of what a great writer and person Gail Simone is for "not allowing the boys of DC to bully her or step on her", and this statement is greeted with cheers and positive comments agreeing with this post. Therein lies my problem with this feminist, sexist argument about the whole ordeal, that somehow DC as  company is being portrayed as an out of touch, sexist "boys club" when there is no proof to back this up. There is no proof that the men Gail works with are trying to keep her down, look down on her or even think she does not belong. And to answer the question of why more women aren't working on this New 52 (because that is what this article and forum is ultimately about) was best answered by Gail herself, 


"I know there are hardly any female creators working on the New 52. The truth is, we did approach more women, but the deadlines were extremely tight for this new project, and a lot of them turned us down. A lot of men turned us down, too. But you’ll definitely be seeing more women in the second wave."  

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@SC said:

The only thing I care about and that should matter is the quality of the work. Period. The big two should hire the best. Not sure who is the mighty godlike being who decides who the best 100 or so creators out of a field of like 10,000 (and potentially like  billion)  but given how happy and positive people are in every other comic thread and seeing as comics are selling its highest numbers ever and selling more in quantity than ever, I guess they have to be hiring the best creators. Now since only getting the best writer and artists matters, if the best is a racist, sexist neo nazi who bathes in the blood of endangered wildlife and only ever wants to write and draw stories about robotic carnivorous penguins who spend all day fornicating with rose petal bushes then gawd dammit thats the writer/artist that Marvel and DC should be getting. None of this PC, BS all y'all are spouting. I mean, if that type of person is the best, then they should be writing in Marvel and DC right? It shouldn't matter if he does all that other stuff, and despite writing a masterpiece about mechanical penguins that no one ends up buying because most humans are so stuck up their own' that they 'prefer' stories about humanoids in tights. They should be employed yes, cause you know, they are the best. Should, should, should, should. Now if one disagrees? Well that's not right? I am shocked? How appalling that you suggest the issue be more complicated than that. The best should be writing after all and so you all should ride the STFU Truck to the GTFO Hotel.   (19 Hits of Sarcasm + Godwin's law Combo Multiplier x 2, Gross Generalization %10 added bonus, Acronym %10 added bonus, Strawman 3 strike %10 added bonus, no tokens collected, 2 minutes left on clock = 3450 Round 2 Score) 
I know I'm replying to a sarcastic rant but i just wanted to let you know the point trying to be made here is entirely invalid. The big two's definition of the best is whoever sells the most books, it is pretty hard to argue that fact. It just so happens that the people who write the best stuff usually sell the most, granted some great writers might fall through the cracks or even not care to come to DC or Marvel but thats besides the point. So your sarcastic hypothetical racist, sexist neo nazi would not be recruited for DC or Marvel because no one likes, or buys her hypothetical storys .
 
Well, perhaps before you address my point, you could possibly please clarify what my point is thanks as you understand it? Since I fail to see how your statements that follow address my points and thats the funniest thing I find about this thread (and most threads relating to this subject) is the amount of assuming, oversimplifying, overgeneralizing going on and just a lack of willingness by people to carefully consider and listen to each others arguments. 
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@RedRobin04 said:
 It just so happens that the people who write the best stuff usually sell the most,
 
As for this? No. Whoever sells the most? Sells the most. Who is the best, is subjective and varies based on what criteria a person defines as the best, which means your definition, DC's definition, Marvel's definition, Alan Moore's definition, and as many other people's definition, will differ, maybe a lot, maybe not so much. So maybe under one definition? Depends. 
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@SC: These topics intimidate the hell out of me lmao

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@SC: These topics intimidate the hell out of me lmao

 
lol, well they can be a bit tense, but all the same, discussion is good, discussion is wonderful, and disagreement is healthy. Personally I think the more discussion, and the more input from more people is great. It sort of just depends, whether your stating an opinion, a preference, or an argument and whether your addressing an opinion, a preference or an argument. (as far as other people go)
 
You should still, totally, totally add your two cents in though. *smile* 
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@SC: These topics intimidate the hell out of me lmao


The reasons these conversations can spiral out of control is because rarely are they handled with respect these days. I think that the call for women creators is fine as long as it takes into account the reality of the business. Facts must be considered and the insinuations of sexism without proof is irresponsible. Even with more readers today, the number of female readers are well below the number of male readers. It's not automatically sexism because creators in a struggling market make books that appeal to their widest audience therefore bringing in the much needed revenue to stay afloat. 
 
That's my take. But, I fully respect the opinions of others on this. We may disagree, but as long as the points are shared with due respect the conversations can be very informative and productive.
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It is hilarious to see the majority trying to tell the minority "Everything is good,m why do we need to change things?? It shouldn't matter if you are not well represented, all that matters is that we are." LOL I heard about this on The Spill.com LEOG "Captain America" episode asking if Isaiah Bradley could ever get his due shine to the level BuckyCap did, and with siting the lack of female creators over at DC, the state comics are in because some fans are loud and basic bigots, something like that wouldn't happen. The I saw the article for the new Ultimate Comics Spider-Man and thought, "maybe things are changing for the better." There are people who don't fit the status quo and will voice their strong opinion even when the majority want the to pipe down. These comic companies are in it to make money, if they remain a slave to an ever shrinking market, comics will never grow. There are more and more girls buying comics, as well as those in other minority groups. These potential costumers want to be catered to. And comic companies want their money. Makes cents (see what I did there???)

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@keith71_98:I said a similar thing a few pages back. It doesn't really bother me that their are no female writers working on the books at DC, but I can understand the womans point by looking at the situation in reverse: How would I feel if a female writer were working on Superman and writing an unrealistic representation of my favourite male character? I would feel pretty annoyed to be honest, infact I would be more than annoyed, I would be pissed. So I can understand why women want other women to write their favourite female characters. But maybe the women writers weren't about when they needed them to write the first story arcs for the new reboot. Or perhaps the ones that were weren't a good fit for the extremely important first issues.

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Found a link to a newsarama article on another site that shoots a couple of holes in the 1% claim.
 
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-lack-of-female-creators-miscalculated-110803.html
 
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DC isn't the only company downplaying the value of female creativity and good role models. I remember my cousin told me Disney isn't doing anymore of those princess movies. She was really pissed about it. It seems like good female role models are hard to come by for young girls no matter where you look. I noticed in most movies the mother has little to no role in the main character's life. If they are present their importance is shared with the father. A good female super heroine is rare to see nowadays. You have Wonder Woman who is supposed to be one of the big three of DC. Yet there hasn't been a decent big screen portrayal of her (personally I like her over Superman). The biggest insult has to be that Green Lantern has a movie out before Wonder Woman. The Avengers movie has spawned new Ironman, Hulk, Thor, and Captain America movies. Black Widow had a little-suckie cameo in Ironman. They haven't even hinted that the Wasp is going to be shown. Again women are being downplayed.  We had three Spiderman movies and not one appearance by the Black Cat who would have made a good partner against Doc Ock in the second movie. The Xmen movies stripped Rogue of her strength (even if was stolen from Ms. Marvel) and reduced her to a damsel in distress type role. Storm was only given a bigger role because Halle Berry had to complain about it and it shouldn't have come to that. I guess what I'm saying is DC isn't the only company out there implying women aren't important in the comic industry. They're also sending a message they don't care about the imagination of women and young girls. The only solution I can think of is all the women creators banning together to form their own company and hiring 5-10 men just to avoid lawsuits like DC has obviously done.

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Solid points. I just get annoyed when labels such as sexist are thrown around by people who don't consider the situation and don't take into account all of the facts. I wouldn't dare insinuate DC was sexist when I have no insider knowledge of discrimination or even their hiring practices. But to me it makes sense that there are so many more male creators than female. Except for a small but growing group (my wife included), women just don't love comics. that is also reflected in the number of female creators. You can't force the issue. You can discuss ways to encourage the female demographic to read comics. But DC MUST consider who their bigger audience is especially considering how bad their sale numbers have been.