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DC Responds to Concerns over Lack of Female Comic Creators

Is the reported 12% to 1% drop in female creators incorrect?

You may have heard about the fan uprising first triggered after a San Diego Comic-Con 'DC New 52' panel in which a brave young lady asked the panelists (which comprised of only male creators) the question, 'where are all the women'? after noticing how few of DC's female characters will be receiving ongoing solo books this fall. You can read a great interview where she delves into her observations at the DC Women Kicking Ass blog. The conversation shifted from not only the drop in female solo books, the the drop in the number of female comic creators who would be working at DC come relaunch.

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One of the most contentious topics (and something claimed by a male reader during the panel) is that DC Comics would go from having 12% of their creators being female to a mere 1% starting this fall. You can read more about exactly how this conversation started at The Beat. If these numbers are accurate, this drop in the number of women who would be working at DC is definitely staggering. It also means that the number of women working at DC would be a poor representation of the number of DC readers who are also women. The big question is, how accurate is this number and where did it come from?

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According to a recent article at Bleeding Cool, the "52 titles feature 160 credited creators, 157 male and 3 female." These numbers are in fact exceptionally low, but it should be noted that they also fail to encompass all of the women who would be working at DC comics come September. The numbers tallied in the article only take into account the female cover artists, artists and writers working on the 52 new upcoming books based on the solicits released for September, which can be found here. These numbers don't take into account the number of women editors, assistant editors, colorists, inkers and more that work on a comic book to get it published.

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Even if these numbers are not accurate, the uproar that followed took the internet comic bloggers by storm. The fan reaction so heavily impacted DC's higher ups that on Friday they published a press release on DC Source blog. stating that DC takes their fans' "concerns very seriously."

We’ve been very fortunate in recent years to have fan favorite creators like Gail Simone, Amy Reeder, Felicia Henderson, Fiona Staples, Amanda Connor, G. Willow Wilson and Nicola Scott write and draw the adventures of the World’s Greatest Super Heroes.

DC Comics is the home of a pantheon of remarkable, iconic women characters like Wonder Woman, Lois Lane, Batgirl, Batwoman, Catwoman and Supergirl as well as fan favorite characters like Black Canary, Katana, Mera and Starfire. We’re committed to telling diverse stories with a diverse point of view. We want these adventures to resonate in the real world, reflecting the experiences of our diverse readership. Can we improve on that? We always can—and aim to.

We’ll have exciting news about new projects with women creators in the coming months and will be making those announcements closer to publication. Many of the above creators will be working on new projects, as we continue to tell the ongoing adventures of our characters. We know there are dozens of other women creators and we welcome the opportunity to work with them.

Our recent announcements have generated much attention and discussion and we welcome that dialogue.

Regardless of whether DC had been actively seeking out women to work for their company or not (which they claimed to have been doing), the fact that the publisher recognized and responded to the demands of both male and female fans alike regarding the demand for more women working on their comics is not something that should go unrecognized. Was this response generated by a young woman who was brave enough to ask the tough questions at Comic-Con? Or had DC been actively pursuing female creators (like they claimed) and simply could not find any? I'll go with the former. What do you think?

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@CrimsonTempest: Thanks for the recommendations. I'll be sure to check those out.
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@Joe Venom said:

Wow DC, "Where the Ladies at?" seriously tho it would do DC some good with more creative genius like Gale working for them, I Hate Bane, but I love her Bane. Now how that is possible heck if I know, but Secret Six is one of my favorite DC titles which I am truly going to miss do to this relaunch/reboot.

My question is what's really the situation here, I would highly doubt that DC is turning to a "He Man Woman haters club" so what is it, is there a lack in Female talent out there? or do Woman feel reluctant to play by DC's rules?

Her Bane is a loser who can't even control Catman.Sorry but i can't wait for Bane to be off her hands.
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@Feliciano2040 said:
@inferiorego said:

As a person who was at many of the DC panels at SDCC, I can say this. She asked that question at every single panel, and by Saturday, the crowd had enough of her. She came off as malicious.

According to that stat, 1.9% of the DC books have a female involved in them, but how many women do you know that read comics compared to your male friends? Aside from Babs, I have 0 female friends that read comics, and 2 that were forced into a couple series but haven't picked up a book since then. In fact, before joining this site, I had never met/known a woman who reads comic books on a regular basis. It's not a new thing. Many people know and realize that the majority of girls simply do not read comic books. So I think it's a pretty decent representation of the comic book reading population. They want to hire the best of the best because, let's face it, the company's not doing as well as it used to.

If the best happens to be an Asian transvestite, so be it. Race and sex shouldn't matter as long as the books are good. Hire the best. Making a big deal about the race or sex is backwards thinking. We're humans. We need to stop dividing ourselves up into little factions then complaining about the other factions.

What would you rather have: DC search out and take risks on new talent while the company is seemingly struggling and they could take a hit on sales or would you rather DC just hire awesome creators, regardless of focusing on b.s. like this?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to write an article to Cosmo complaining their aren't enough male writers for the magazine.

So much yes to this.  I'm going to take a lot of heat for this, but it's ridiculous how people concern themselves about these kind of things.  Would it be reasonable if I complained about the lack of latin american writers in DC Comics ?
YES.
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@Babs: I still think female writers are just skipping over the comic industry and working in the book industry, from what I see the percentage of female novelists is always increasing. It may be because comics are still coming off as a male only industry but it may also be because novels are a more socially acceptable career and it probably pays a hell of a lot better then writing comics and you get more freedom most likely. 
 
And Terry Moore is indeed freaking awesome, all around great guy to talk to and fantastic writer/artist, I really wish he would put out more SIP or more books like SIP, Echo just wasn't up to his normal standards.
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Good story quallity is all i care about not the who the writer is, so i really don't care, unless they are not hiring the females on purpose.
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@LB70145 said:
@CrimsonTempest: Well for one, I said most of their writers suck not all of them. Two, you listed two writers. Three, American Vampire is Vertigo and I don't count Vertigo as part of DC. Every Vertigo title is amazing. Four, you can't deny that the dip is sales is the cause in the new 52 and the reason why there is a dip in sales is because there are fewer people reading them. If fewer people are reading that means the writing is stagnant. Not necessarily bad but not good either.  I will give you the fact that I am not reading anything in Flashpoint right now. So maybe your right and their pulling it together as the universe is collapsing around them.
Look up Frankenstein and the Monsters of the Unknown by Lemire, Project Superman by Snyder and Francis, and my favorite, Batman Knight of Vengeance by Azzarello and Risso. Those are the 3 mini-series out of Flashpoint you should read. Really good stuff.
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What I don't understand is the argument that most of the people who read comics are male, and so it's OK for the artists to be male too.  I think pretty obviously that if there were more female creators and more female characters, then more girls and women would get into comics. 
 
My 6-year old girl is annoyed with the fact that there aren't many female characters.  If she can tell, I think that issue should be pretty obvious to any adults. 
 
As for creators, I think women creators can make all kinds of work.  Some of it may provide more of a woman's point of view.  Some of it may not.  But they're important just to have around.  Every industry that's started off with all of one kind of person, and has become more integrated, has become more successful.  It's like the Supreme Court.  Until there were women on the court, the men didn't even think about some of the issues that might be relevant to a case.  I don't think you need any quotas, but if your percentages are running so small as to be anywhere NEAR one OR twelve percent, then you've got a problem.  You need to actively recruit more, you need to nurture the talent so it's up to your quality.  Otherwise you do get a locker room culture, and that breeds a problem of unanimity of viewpoint that makes it hard for you to even realize you're not speaking to people outside your own group.

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It matters because besides making atrocious story decisions, DC is apparently sexistly denying the good female writers writing roles. 
 
AKA, you are getting an inferior product because someone at DC has a metaphorical hard-on for literal hard-ons.

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It's all about quality. If the men hired for the relaunch have better quality art or writing or story lines for what DC wants, then that's what they have. As a female reader, yes it would be awesome to see more women writing, or doing art, or more female superheroes (especially with their own series), but geeze, be happy there ARE women there and just enjoy the stories. I got over it.

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I sat in the Marvel Editor's Q&A at Midtown comics monthly book club at the downtown branch a few months ago. Editor Tom Brevoort said, "I don't see race or sex but more like one fan base..." Which is a good answer. I'd like to believe "Oh it's about the best writer for the fans..." Except you read crap like Loeb's Ultimates where Tony and Natasha's sex tape is uploaded and the team's just sitting there watching it. Clearly not the best writing from Loeb never mind writing in general.  Bendis is back to making male characters into man whores, this time we're back to Hawkeye doing it again (remember Avengers Dissembled with Clint/Wanda) except what was the point of bringing back Mockingbird in Secret Invasion? I can go on.
 
Meanwhile, Gail Simone's Secret Six, Birds of Prey..in particular Secret Six was hands down the BEST team book at DC gets canceled. Amanda Conner was told she can't keep a monthly schedule and pushed out of Power Girl. Nicola Scott can't find a spot but Rob Liefeld and Bret Booth were given gigs. 
 
I love these cosplay fans at SDCC but that's the wrong Con to take any kind of pulse. Why? Cause people are more interested in media panels and not comic books. Tumble weeds blow past Artist's alley vs. NYCC where it's way more in favor of comics and even the Vertigo panel is standing room if you don't like up an hour ahead of time.
 
It's like why would I go where publishing is dying...and neglect where comic book shops are expanding like NYC?

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@The Jeff: Way to acknowledge my point dude. Again Comics are for everyone. Also, how do you know that Diversity won't bring in Quality? Also, we don't live in the Silver Age anymore. How can we know how well women can write if they are not given a chance? Also, the market for female comic fans is not small. Its a stupid business decision to not go after a market of your audience no matter how small (even though that market is anything but small). Ignoring that part of your audience is a bad business decision no matter how you look at it.
 
Also, to your point toward Babs. DC did embarrass her (the Batgirl). You obviously didn't read the articles and didn't read how they mocked her not to mention didn't give her a straight answer.  Specifically Grant Morrison's answer to her. Since you are too lazy to read. To her question of "why aren't there more female creators?" Grant Morrison said that he looks pretty good in dress. If DC has a PR image it is apparently to belittle their fans and not give straight answers to very valid questions. Its also not earth shattering that she stood up to a man. It is earth shattering that she stood up to DC as a whole and no matter how they mocked her, no matter how much she was ignored and ridiculed, she not only presented a valid argument she was persistent and still cares about those characters.
 
Just because Comics are run by men doesn't mean that it is a man's medium. Cinema is run mainly by men therefore movies are a man's medium? No. Being a chef, a male dominated profession, is not a profession only for men. Your logic just doesn't make sense. Men (a majority of the planet's population) breathes air, according to you air must be something mainly for men. Come on dude try to keep an open mind and be more understanding.
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@The Jeff said:
@LB70145: well save for Marie Severen, the silver age was a male dominated era, and it stands out as one of the best in comic history. are women great writers? sure. Some of the early James Bond films had rewrites by women and look at Kathy Bigelow, female Oscar winning director. I'm not saying that women aren't capable of this but what I am saying is it that the best  work is necessary for these businesses to survive. Diversity should come second to quality of work. If I was DC, I'd take the best I could get no matter who provided it, but I would not lose money just to reach out to a market that is so small. 
 

My two cents:
 
As less as I like his other points I have to admit this one is quite valid. In the end I'll read a Garth Ennis over a Gail Simone every day (not that ANY of them are bad but when I have to choose it will always be my boy Ennis). Gender should not be an issue when it comes to writers. Sure, i want to see female writers, I want to be represented but in the end I want A GOOD STORY more than everything else. It's just a shame that we don't have that many awesome female writers out there waiting for their chance while male writers who deliver mediocre stories at best are allowed to continue their work (for example Loeb towards whom I harbor a personal grudge, you don't have to agree with me, that's the point.) In this point he is right: Gender should not play a role. But on the other hand talented female writers should get a chance on the same basis of equality that I demand when judging their work.
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i would love to see a woman tackle a book like justice league or batman, or superman, wolverine, x-men, you name it! why is it every time a female writer comes onto the scene they are automatically dropped on the female books? gail simone was one of the best writers of deadpool! id love to see her do batman. 

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I think that demand is dumb, seriously, the gender is the least relevant issue when it comes to creating comics, it's all about creativity. It's like demanding the Wu-Tang Clan to get a female rapper. It's not sexist, it's just the fittest person for the job. My suggestion is that if you girls want more female talents in the biz, show them you have mad skills.
In pure numbers, what's the ratio of girls into comics against their male "counterparts"? Obviously, more men are working in comics, because they have shown more interest in the field. 
 
How many girls read Hack/Slash when Emily Stone was working in it? I interviewed Tim Seeley, and he says she defined Cassie better than even he did. Emily is SO talented, and, how many girls supported that?
 
@Samimista said:

As a female myself I find this very sad there needs to be more women in the industry as they write fictional women more realistically good role models for young girls than the men writers do.


Have you read Hepcats or Strangers in Paradise?
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@Dr. Detfink said:

The funny part is, Marvel has been horribly negligent and no one criticizes them as harshly.

I've thought a lot about this the last few hours.

@The Jeff said:

@LB70145: well save for Marie Severen, the silver age was a male dominated era, and it stands out as one of the best in comic history. are women great writers? sure. Some of the early James Bond films had rewrites by women and look at Kathy Bigelow, female Oscar winning director. I'm not saying that women aren't capable of this but what I am saying is it that the best work is necessary for these businesses to survive. Diversity should come second to quality of work. If I was DC, I'd take the best I could get no matter who provided it, but I would not lose money just to reach out to a market that is so small.

@Feliciano2040 said:
@Babs said:

There are enough female comic book readers out there.

Even if it was actually true that there are enough female comic book readers, which quite frankly there can't be, why exactly does this suddenly mean that the selection process of writers and artists now has to be hampered by a variable as absurd as gender ? Should writers and artists with more talent be kicked out in favor of political correctness ?

I don't think some people here even realize just how sexist their arguments are.

The question is whether or not the number of women working in comics is directly proportional to the number of women who read those books.

I can hardly see how that would be important to the quality and development of the comics I read. Unless somebody brings proof that female writers and artists are being excluded by DC Comics from working with them, then the whole idea behind this topic is moot.
couldn't agree with you more. Almost all of Bab's articles are centered around "Women in comics" which is fine but her points are just bad(IMO)
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@The Jeff said:

I'm going to catch hell for this, but who cares. I want quality and Equality isn't a factor, so I don't care. If the best stories possible are coming from men, so be it. If the best stories are coming from women, so be it. I don't think DC should have to take a dip in quality just to be diverse in their creators. Babs should really change the record when it comes to her articles. Comics are a man's medium. I may sound misogynistic, and I am not, but it's the truth. by saying that the woman at Comic Con was brave just goes to show that she can't be objective on this matter.

Did you read the interview with that "brave young woman" linked above? She stood up to Dan Didio. That guy is not easy to talk to. Have you met him? Maybe it's easy for some people to go up to a microphone and speak to a panel full of guys, and ask them where all the girls are, but it sure would be unnerving for me.

If comics are a man's medium, then why the heck do I work for Comic Vine.

My point still stands. Mainstream comics are still run by men and ComicVine is not mainstream comics. ComicVine is a website about comic books. You do not work directly in the comic book field. I'm not trying to be mean but you want to make it out like you are a victim here. The woman who spoke to Dan Didio isn't that groundbreaking, I've spoken to the president in front of a few thousand people and I still don't consider that such a "brave thing". DC is a company who has a PR image to maintain so you know they wouldn't do something to embarrass her. She wasn't in any danger, so what did she have to fear? It's not earth shattering that she spoke to a man. Men are equal to women so how is it so brave that she spoke to what should be considered her equal?

I'm very sorry you seem to think the points I make are "bad."

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@LB70145: well save for Marie Severen, the silver age was a male dominated era, and it stands out as one of the best in comic history. are women great writers? sure. Some of the early James Bond films had rewrites by women and look at Kathy Bigelow, female Oscar winning director. I'm not saying that women aren't capable of this but what I am saying is it that the best  work is necessary for these businesses to survive. Diversity should come second to quality of work. If I was DC, I'd take the best I could get no matter who provided it, but I would not lose money just to reach out to a market that is so small. 
 
@Feliciano2040 said:
@Babs said:

There are enough female comic book readers out there.

 
Even if it was actually true that there are enough female comic book readers, which quite frankly there can't be, why exactly does this suddenly mean that the selection process of writers and artists now has to be hampered by a variable as absurd as gender ? Should writers and artists with more talent be kicked out in favor of political correctness ?
 
I don't think some people here even realize just how sexist their arguments are.

The question is whether or not the number of women working in comics is directly proportional to the number of women who read those books.

 I can hardly see how that would be important to the quality and development of the comics I read.  Unless somebody brings proof that female writers and artists are being excluded by DC Comics from working with them, then the whole idea behind this topic is moot.
couldn't agree with you more. Almost all of Bab's articles are centered around "Women in comics" which is fine but her points are just bad(IMO) 
@Babs said:

@The Jeff said:

I'm going to catch hell for this, but who cares. I want quality and Equality isn't a factor, so I don't care. If the best stories possible are coming from men, so be it. If the best stories are coming from women, so be it. I don't think DC should have to take a dip in quality just to be diverse in their creators. Babs should really change the record when it comes to her articles. Comics are a man's medium. I may sound misogynistic, and I am not, but it's the truth. by saying that the woman at Comic Con was brave just goes to show that she can't be objective on this matter.

Did you read the interview with that "brave young woman" linked above? She stood up to Dan Didio. That guy is not easy to talk to. Have you met him? Maybe it's easy for some people to go up to a microphone and speak to a panel full of guys, and ask them where all the girls are, but it sure would be unnerving for me.

If comics are a man's medium, then why the heck do I work for Comic Vine.

My point still stands. Mainstream comics are still run by men and ComicVine is not mainstream comics. ComicVine is a website about comic books. You do not work directly in the comic book field. I'm not trying to be mean but you want to make it out like you are a victim here. The woman who spoke to Dan Didio isn't that groundbreaking, I've spoken to the president in front of a few thousand people and I still don't consider that such a "brave thing". DC is a company who has a PR image to maintain so you know they wouldn't do something to embarrass her. She wasn't in any danger, so what did she have to fear? It's not earth shattering that she spoke to a man. Men are equal to women so how is it so brave that she spoke to what should be considered her equal?
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as a girl comic book lover i would love to see more female writers! but it really does not matter as long as the writer makes the story good im fine with it.

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@CrimsonTempest: Well for one, I said most of their writers suck not all of them. Two, you listed two writers. Three, American Vampire is Vertigo and I don't count Vertigo as part of DC. Every Vertigo title is amazing. Four, you can't deny that the dip is sales is the cause in the new 52 and the reason why there is a dip in sales is because there are fewer people reading them. If fewer people are reading that means the writing is stagnant. Not necessarily bad but not good either. 
 
I will give you the fact that I am not reading anything in Flashpoint right now. So maybe your right and their pulling it together as the universe is collapsing around them.
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@LB70145 said:
Anyways, most of their male writers suck. Why do you think their sales have dipped. Their stories are stagnant and no longer hold onto the attention of readers.
You couldn't be more wrong about that. If the male writers suck, how come Scott Snyder is killing it on American Vampire and Detective Comics? How come Jeff Lemire is doing a great job on the Frankenstein mini in Flashpoint? It's not because they suck, I'll tell you that.
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Put Kelly Sue DeConnick on a DC book after her Supergirl arc, then we can talk.

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@The Jeff: Wow, not true at all. This coming from a guy, comics are a medium for EVERYONE. That's like saying comics and animation are for children. Yeah sure I know a lot of guys who read comics, but I know a lot of girls who read them as well. Comics are for everyone. Your statement was not only  misogynistic, it was pretentious and stupid. It is just plain dumb to assume comics are a "man's medium". 
 
Technically any activity based on your statement would be considered a "man's activity" because there are more men in the world than women. 
 
Anyways, most of their male writers suck. Why do you think their sales have dipped. Their stories are stagnant and no longer hold onto the attention of readers.
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@Dr. Detfink: When they keep two out of a hundred women on the payroll, then they can join the thread. I just find it funny they kept Perez, and he's absolutely worthless.

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The funny part is, Marvel has been horribly negligent and no one criticizes them as harshly. 

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@Babs said:

There are enough female comic book readers out there.

 
Even if it was actually true that there are enough female comic book readers, which quite frankly there can't be, why exactly does this suddenly mean that the selection process of writers and artists now has to be hampered by a variable as absurd as gender ? Should writers and artists with more talent be kicked out in favor of political correctness ?
 
I don't think some people here even realize just how sexist their arguments are.

The question is whether or not the number of women working in comics is directly proportional to the number of women who read those books.

 I can hardly see how that would be important to the quality and development of the comics I read.
 
Unless somebody brings proof that female writers and artists are being excluded by DC Comics from working with them, then the whole idea behind this topic is moot.
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@antiterra said:

If all men could write female characters the way Terry Moore, Brian Wood or Greg Rucka do, I'd say gender doesn't matter.

This. :)

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I'm going to catch hell for this, but who cares. I want quality and Equality isn't a factor, so I don't care. If the best stories possible are coming from men, so be it. If the best stories are coming from women, so be it. I don't think DC should have to take a dip in quality just to be diverse in their creators. Babs should really change the record when it comes to her articles. Comics are a man's medium. I may sound misogynistic, and I am not, but it's the truth. by saying that the woman at Comic Con was brave just goes to show that she can't be objective on this matter.

Did you read the interview with that "brave young woman" linked above? She stood up to Dan Didio. That guy is not easy to talk to. Have you met him? Maybe it's easy for some people to go up to a microphone and speak to a panel full of guys, and ask them where all the girls are, but it sure would be unnerving for me.

If comics are a man's medium, then why the heck do I work for Comic Vine.

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@The Jeff: Comics are a man's medium

 
No, they're not.
While the dying superhero genre might be more male dominated, the idea that guys are somehow better at writing and drawing stories is just flat out idiotic. Alternative comics tend to be heavy on the women at the moment, and there are a huge amount of female webcomic creators. Not to mention there are more comics aimed at girls and women when you leave the US.
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I'm going to catch hell for this, but who cares. I want quality and Equality isn't a factor, so I don't care. If the best stories possible are coming from men, so be it. If the best stories are coming from women, so be it. I don't think DC should have to take a dip in quality just to be diverse in their creators. Babs should really change the record when it comes to her articles. Comics are a man's medium. I may sound misogynistic, and I am not, but it's the truth. by saying that the woman at Comic Con was brave just goes to show that she can't be objective on this matter.

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@Fantasgasmic: I wouldn't call Robinson a bad writer when it comes to women. His Justice League mostly contained women and they all felt interesting especially Donna Troy.
I was more referring to the Hal Jordan threesome implication with Lady Blackhawk and Huntress. That's why I included not just writing female characters, but writing ABOUT women in my comment. I found that to be juvenile; it didn't contribute to the story, it wasn't relevant to the character (like an editor's reference) from another story, it just made me feel like i was in a high school locker room (in that it probably never happened, but Hal needed to keep up appearances).
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There probably are quite a few women trying to get into the comic writing game, but at the minute with the comic industry in such a...tricky place, what with sales down and that, they are probably worried about taking risks with untested writers (whether they are male or female) so they are sticking with the old crowd.

When the sales pick up and the industry is back on track they will be willing to take more risks.

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@Feliciano2040 said:

@Fantasgasmic said:
I agree in principle but I find that when some men write women, or write about women (James Robinson, in Cry for Justice, Frank Miller in All Star Batman and Robin)... it's just juvenile. And although those authors may sell books for other reasons, and other aspects of their stories, if theirs are the primary voices for women in comics, you risk getting a wind tunnel effect; the ways characters are written get pushed more towards the extreme and less like a 3 dimensional character.
It's a legitimate concern for sure, but then again DC Comics is well aware of this and that's why the just don't screw up by making Frank Miller the regular writer of Wonder Woman. For my part I think we may be even underestimating some male writers who have proven to be very capable of writing female characters, such as Michael Avon Oeming who did Red Sonja, Christos Gage who writes Avengers Academy, a title with probably more women than men, as well as Peter Calloway who wrote Gotham City Sirens. I know, some of those don't even work at DC, but it goes to prove that in the comic book industry, men are just as capable to write women.

There are enough female comic book readers out there. The question is whether or not the number of women working in comics is directly proportional to the number of women who read those books.

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no body said anything to marvel?


I know!
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@KeepThisKoupon: Marvel cleverly had a Women of Marvel panel.
Then again, only crazy feminists care about DC.
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no body said anything to marvel?

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Not sure who the group is you're refering to ("(mostly men) already biased against women "), if it's a particular group or if you're including me. Of course there are those with their own absurd bias. But there are also those who clearly seek to force their views on people, companies, etc. Some of those who asked these questions did so respectfully while others had clear motivations in mind. One particular woman appeared at each of the New 52 panels forcing the same question on the panels. During the last panel she clogged up the question line by trying to get the audience involved without asking a question of the panel. There was nothing "brave" about her actions. 

Comics is far from a lucrative business. Publishers have to be careful and selective with the books they put out. Sure there are more women reading now that before but that doesn't mean women are flocking to the industry. But it also doesn't mean sexism is the reason. I love my wife and her level-headed approach. She said it best, "I am one of few. Sure more women are reading. Sure I would like to see more women creators. But who am I to accuse and label a company whose audience by far mostly men. Men aren't sexist because they like stories about men just like little boys aren't sexist for playing with GI Joe instead of Barbie". 
 
I'm with her. You'll never catch me throwing around the label of sexist, racist, etc. without firm proof of that fact. That's why I defend DC. We don't know the numbers they see. We don't know the female creators they turn down. And we have no proof that they are sexist. But those insinuations are running wild!
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Wow DC, "Where the Ladies at?" seriously tho it would do DC some good with more creative genius like Gale working for them, I Hate Bane, but I love her Bane. Now how that is possible heck if I know, but Secret Six is one of my favorite DC titles which I am truly going to miss do to this relaunch/reboot.

My question is what's really the situation here, I would highly doubt that DC is turning to a "He Man Woman haters club" so what is it, is there a lack in Female talent out there? or do Woman feel reluctant to play by DC's rules?

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Been waiting for this story to make it to Comic Vine.   Ludicrous. Some of those asking questions had obvious agendas. you could tell by their tone and attitude. This isn’t about the best possible creators. It’s about quotas and irresponsible insinuations of sexism. Most of the bigger gripers know nothing about the inner workings of DC yet automatically throw sexism into the conversation. Do we know how many high quality women creators have knocked on DC’s door? Same for women characters. The truth is many books led by woman characters don’t sell good. When it comes down to it comics have never had a big female audience.If you have a small female audience it follows that you may have a smaller number of creators. We should encourage women to read comics but not force quotas by false assumptions and insinuations.  A larger female audience equals more comic readers and new perspectives. It's something ANY comic fan should want. But throwing this at DC without reasonably looking at the facts is sadly something we see all the time in our country these days (and not just in the comics industry). 

Except the part where there are more women readers now than ever and wanting some representation in the industry isn't a terrible idea, even though I agree with other posters that there are more tactful ways of confronting the concept, if less visible in such a way that suggests to people (mostly men) already biased against women that all women who want to see more female creators are whiners.  I think the statements I bolded are more a product of privilege than anything the creators might have said on the subject, though. 
 
EDIT: also? if you want the number of creators to be proportional to the audience by gender, there is an over abundance of male creators.  Just saying.
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Been waiting for this story to make it to Comic Vine.  
 
Ludicrous. Some of those asking questions had obvious agendas. you could tell by their tone and attitude. This isn’t about the best possible creators. It’s about quotas and irresponsible insinuations of sexism. Most of the bigger gripers know nothing about the inner workings of DC yet automatically throw sexism into the conversation. Do we know how many high quality women creators have knocked on DC’s door? Same for women characters. The truth is many books led by woman characters don’t sell good. When it comes down to it comics have never had a big female audience. If you have a small female audience it follows that you may have a smaller number of creators. We should encourage women to read comics but not force quotas by false assumptions and insinuations. 
 
A larger female audience equals more comic readers and new perspectives. It's something ANY comic fan should want. But throwing this at DC without reasonably looking at the facts is sadly something we see all the time in our country these days (and not just in the comics industry).
 
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But they're NOT bringing in the best bucks right now, though, so clearly their current strategy is not working. Their numbers keep slipping across the board, both Marvel and DC, and maybe part of that is because the world is changing and they are not.
 
 Part of the reason stuff like the new Spider-Man can often feel gimmick-y, is because their creators do not necessarily understand these characters or relate to them, and thus cannot write them well. So they read as 'token' like, or fake. That's part of the reason people have these totally bogus assumptions about female/minority characters, and dismiss the books as soon as they come out. I mean, sure, some of it is just misogyny and racism, but I think (hope) a great deal of it is because we can personally pick up on the fake-ness of the whole affair. 
 
If they genuinely diversified their team, I think we could avoid some of this. 
 
Alternative comics are pretty diverse at the moment, and female-heavy - but they're told their art doesn't match the 'in-house' style or they don't write 'the way our company does'. But their strategy is failing, so it's time to branch a tiny bit away from the in-house styles, aka, the same-old dwindling typical affair.
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This is so funny... 
I just went on a rant about the new Spider-Man and now this 
I think the only wy to truly bring women and minorities into the comics fold is to self publish and create properties so good they have no choice but to take on new talent 
Because lets face it DC and Marvel are in the money making business and will hire the talent that can bring the most bucks 
why do you think Bendis and Johns write everythin these days??

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If all men could write female characters the way Terry Moore, Brian Wood or Greg Rucka do, I'd say gender doesn't matter.

Unfortunately, it's pretty obvious that many male writers don't have the first clue where to start when it comes to writing a genuine, convincing female character... so yeah, we definitely need more ladies on storytelling duties in mainstream comics. Gail Simone, Marjorie Liu, Kathryn Immonen and Kelly Sue DeConnick aren't nearly enough.  

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If DC's current team is the 'best' comics has to offer, then no wonder the industry is failing fast.
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@inferiorego: The fact that it happened at every panel just shows how badly Dan Didio and whoever were at the first panel handled the situation. Instead of saying,

"We wanted to have the best writers on the books that we think they would do their best work on regardless. This does not mean Writers and artists like Amanda Conner or Bryan Q Miller won't get books in the future just at the moment we are focusing pushing the DCnU for its launch in September."

they tried to deflect the questions, bully their fans or played the victim. Since the announcement of the DCnU there have been these questions Comic Con should of been where all the fears were squashed, instead every night it seemed like Gail Simone had to run damage control for the crap that happened in their panels from the small things like Dan Didio's constant use of "Best Batgirl" when talking about Barbara Gordon to the huge like not just coming out and saying the deadlines for the first wave of the DCnU are tight and most writers and artist don't want that pressure.

When you think of it the fact that Gail Simone communicates better with the fans than the two "Faces" of DC is sad and a disgrace.

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Madness! No one wants to read comics about icky girls and their cooties!

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This is stupid. They better not hire lackluster writers just to fit the quota of women. Lets say these were firemen. I don't want the fire department hiring women that couldn't save me from a burning building just because some people complained there are no female firemen.

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I agree with those saying (including those at DC) that they'd rather hire the BEST rather than just actively seek to include more people of a certain gender.  That's not to say that I think that female creators lost out to jobs because they're inferior, because I don't.  I simply think that there's no kind of conspiracy going on here. 
 
In fact, the lack of female leads in the various DC titles is more concerning to me.

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@okayla: I love this response :)  Well said.
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The way I see it is, more diversity in creators leads to more diversity in characters and storytelling, and a nice genuineness that is difficult to reproduce artificially. 
 
While it'd be straight up bull to claim that a guy can't write a girl well, or a white guy couldn't write a hispanic guy - it'd also be an outright lie to claim that it doesn't lead to a certain sort of authenticity when people are writing what they know. Sure, none of us know what it's like to be Batman (unless some of you are holding out on me), but someone from a marginalized group might understand the problems of mutants in Marvels a little better. Again, let me make it clear, that doesn't mean it can't be done well by someone who is by all accounts incredibly priviliged - but it takes a little more work, effort, and awareness on their part that they don't really feel like putting the effort in for research/development.   People write and live in the world differently based on their own experiences, and as a result, diversity in your team leads to different ways of expressing experiences and different writing techniques. It's great for creativity.
 
And while there are plenty of guys who do a good job writing female characters, there's something I can't put my finger on that they just don't capture as well as females tend to. And with the female market for comics potentially growing at a huge rate (if the Internet is any indication), it's not a matter of hitting quotas so much as hiring people for a diversified audience.   It's not like comics are doing so phenomenally well that they can afford to stick to the same old same old.

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@alevai said:
There are actually a ton of female comic book readers.  As Gail Simone said recently - if you can't see that the female fanbase is growing you just aren't reading the internet or going to conventions. In fact, if it weren't for men constantly telling us how we don't like comic books (or dinosaurs, or motorcycles, or action movies, or math or whatever) we would have no idea.  Maybe you don't know many female comic book fans, but I do.  I know more female comic book fans than male ones.There is so much misunderstanding and misogyny and fear being displayed on this one forum alone.  Do you not understand how you and your own attitude contributes to our alienation?  How this is why we're making a stink.  We aren't satisfied with the way things are for very valid reasons.  So no, we won't sit down and shut up and be satisfied with the paltry representation we currently have.  If this frightens you, you may want to consider why.  You as a straight white man are probably still going to be okay at the end of it.  What harm is there in showing some solidarity with your sisters in arms?  What we want does not have to come at your personal expense.  There's room for all different persectives.  If you don't understand where we're coming from, maybe for a second think it could be because you're a man who has never for 5 minute in a single day had to see and feel and debate the things that we have.  Try to keep an open mind and don't feel so threatened by our perspective.  Because honestly, the debate has only just started.  It's not going away.

What is it with feminists that automatically leads them to the bat-s*** crazy, anger-fueled conclusion that because people get tired of hearing tired, lazy arguments like this, that they are 'afraid' and 'threatened' of females? You claim to want unity, but you are blatantly targeting one group. It's not about this coming at 'our expense', I'd love to see more women in comic stores, besides the ones that come in briefly to giggle at the 'nerds'. You sound an awful lot like someone actively trying to be a victim; honestly the bit about males never having struggled or gone through hard times? Please. Because you get stared at a bit and treated with a bit of trepidation in comic stores, suddenly your struggles are that much more profound? Think about what a lot of male comic book readers went through in high school.

It should never be about filling some ridiculous quota, it should be about talent. Also, to those using the argument that men can't write female characters adequately, what makes you think women will be any better at writing male characters?


^Making my point about feminists and "feminists".  Nowhere does she say she's a feminist, but because her tone is aggressive, clearly she is one & that appears to be a bad thing.  Hint: women react negatively to getting stared at because women are repeatedly told, through media including comic books (but I clarify, not ALL comic books), that they are objects, not because they want to amplify their plight. 
 
I agree that it should not be about quota, but considering DC doesn't accept unsolicited submissions, Didio's comment about women sending their stuff in comes off with some ignorant implications.