DC Comics Announces THE MOVEMENT and THE GREEN TEAM

This concept, I'm actually interested in. I think I'll get first issue of both and see if I like it.

Yeah, these are going to be around a LONG time.

I really think that these will be some good comics. Obviously the reason that they're apart of the edge group is because they're part of the more outside of the box ideas. With these writers I'm sure that after the first issue it's going to get a good following. Me, I'd like to get them, but my wallet's at its peak with some of the other books coming out.

There's been 70 plus titles that DC has put out since their "reboot"... and all of the inconsistencies are hurting them badly!! All of these "trial and errors" they've conducted with new titles, new readers, old readers, and comic book characters has been a bumpy ride! A bit of a mess if you ask me. I'll give them props for not giving up, but then again I'd take those props away for cancelling series so abruptly that readers (old and new) get extremely angered by the lack of consistency!

Was gonna say something on topic but Ego on the first page made me want my Prez reboot.

Sounds intriguing... I've seen movies like this before! But I'm not a DC fan, so I'll hold onto my money for something awesome from Marvel!

"The real question is: Can money buy you anything in the DC universe? Would it make you powerful? Can it make you a hero? Can money make you…Super?"

Batman?

This feels gross. First of all, congrats on keeping up with the times, DC, OWS lost relevance a year ago. Second of all, if you're gonna work socio-political themes in to your book, you better take it real damn seriously.

Consider me itnerested. Dosen't look like it's going to be a straight superhero book

But man now that I've seen this Prez love I want to see more

@EnSabahNurX said:

@BKole said:

@The Mighty Monarch said:

@inferiorego said:

The creative teams on these books are awesome. I shall give them a shot.

THIS.

@Hastny said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

This.

Why should we waste money on this kind of titles when we know DC may not even give them a proper chance before giving it the boot? If it doesnt sell it obviously doesnt have a place in the New 52, and why risk falling in love with a series if it means such disappointment.

This is why these series' get cancelled. That mentality is too widespread.

This is 100% accurate. If you don't want to try it, that's fine. Others, however, do want to give something new a go. Comics are not 100% prats wearing their pants on the outside punching other prats into buildings. Some readers wants something a little bit different, mature or indeed intelligent. God forbid we be allowed to have something different instead of homogenized Batman and SELECTED CHARACTER OF THE WEEK spun into forty eight on-goings.

=_= Something different is good, basing a book off that crock of a movement is ridiculous. Being someone who lived in the city at the time of occupy wall street thing, those people protesting were just mimicking others and were a mob(funny enough most people who worked in the financial district didn't notice them since they don't do all their business on wall street). That wasn't a movement, it was a kegger with weed. I'm all for a book that isn't just random heroes or just a bat/supes book, I'd be for a noir book or something not so mainstream, but trying to milk a dead movement isn't a story that will last or be very interesting. Also you can smell the political undertones these books will have that will obviously not be objective(it's never without bias, or a fair balance) Why waste these creative teams' talent? Have them do something less straight forward in it's message and be you know...creative.

You do realise that the Occupy movement is a world wide thing and not just a Wall Street thing?

"Sword of Sorcery combines the politics, world building and intrigue of a certain incredibly popular, critically successfully HBO television series with the adventure and magic of Harry Potter and the action and whimsy of Avatar: The Last Airbender. Combine all that with the beautiful art of Justice League International’s Aaron Lopresti, and…well, don’t break your brain trying to imagine it. Just read it and you’ll see." DC STAHP! http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2013/02/07/52-reasons-to-read-dc-comicseven-if-you-dont-like-super-heroes

"Teen Trillionaires?"

God, I hate them already. You can probably see their own smug sense of entitlement from Oa. 50 bucks says one of them carries a Pomeranian around in her purse.

@The Mighty Monarch said:

@inferiorego said:

The creative teams on these books are awesome. I shall give them a shot.

THIS.

@Hastny said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

This.

Why should we waste money on this kind of titles when we know DC may not even give them a proper chance before giving it the boot? If it doesnt sell it obviously doesnt have a place in the New 52, and why risk falling in love with a series if it means such disappointment.

This is why these series' get cancelled. That mentality is too widespread.

This is 100% accurate. If you don't want to try it, that's fine. Others, however, do want to give something new a go. Comics are not 100% prats wearing their pants on the outside punching other prats into buildings. Some readers wants something a little bit different, mature or indeed intelligent. God forbid we be allowed to have something different instead of homogenized Batman and SELECTED CHARACTER OF THE WEEK spun into forty eight on-goings.

@Novaar said:

The Occupy movement? Really? That's the latest bandwagon? Is that because a lot of the groups wear V masks (copyright: Big Bucks film studio...you know, the type you're protesting against, Occupy fans...) ;)

Like many of the people on here I'm disappointed that the new titles didn't get a chance to shine. In a world where half of the comics seem to be Bat or Supes related (yes I'm tweaking that up a little, yes they sell) it's disappointing that other comics are not given a chance. I like Sword and Sorcery, especially the Beowulf back-up story and I was interested in where they would take Stalker. And I'd just started to get into T7, what with them usining Eclipso and the hints that people like Majestic and Spartan are going to appear (two characters I'm curious about in the New 52 world.

I remember reading of the main Comicvine people suggesting that we should have another Bat title to explain what had happened in the New 52 past rather than 'rebooting obscure characters'. I remember hating that idea but that's still better than this. I'm pre-judging, and hats off if it's great, but I doubt it will be.

I guess that's why Marvel have started to draw me back. Sure they may have event, after event, after event (wait, not after, almost at the same time as!). New 52 still has a lot going for it but, just lately, its gone a bit off the boil for me.

Ignorant comment. It isn't a "V" mask but a Guy Fawkes mask. And it was first used to support Anonymous. If you don't know what that is, then look it up.

New titles didn't get a chance to "shine" as you say because the sales were bad. It isn't going to shine if there is a big decrease in sales or no one is picking it up. Who cares if they shine if no one is picking it up? I,Vampire shined, but not enough people were picking it up. Essentially, it is the fault of people that do what they are doing with this book by reading solicitations and making a judgement based on the solicit, picture and creative team.

Here is the problem with that: creative teams can improve -- some writers are better on some stuff then they are on others. Dan Didio had a great OMAC book, but he is a terrible writer. He is also doing a heck of a job on Phantom Strangers, but again he is a terrible writer. Gail Simone has some really great books, but she also has some stale ones. Heck! I didn't even like James Robinson until the New 52 when he started kicking everything out of the ballpark! Creative team value can vary -- a lot.

Then there is the solicits and covers. Both don't tell the whole story. You can't read a solicit and see a picture and just assume you know everything about it. The cover from I,Vampire made it look like another Twilight spin-off, but it wasn't. It was gory and gritty with a ton of horror aspects. No one knew what to expect from that book until they read through the first issue. And people that read it loved it!

People that judge too early end up missing out on good books and it causes the rest of us to miss out on these good books. There is no reason to keep a book around if no one is enjoying it. They aren't enjoying it because they aren't making money and we are obviously not enjoying it enough because so few of us are actually reading it.

Now I'm not saying these books are going to be great, but they at least deserve a chance.

You can have fun with your stale Marvel comics. I'm going to keep buying quality comics. Quality always trumps solicits and covers.

I wonder how long of a rope DC will give these two titles to succeed? I'd much prefer a book run for a couple extra months than be cancelled prematurely but I'm also just a reader.

@Impala said:

Everyone expects they will be bad but i hope the can prove the opposite. I'll try them for sure.

Remember when everyone though I,Vampire was going to be bad just based on a picture and solicitation?

The creative teams is what saves the concept... under Gail Simone, then it could be something thoughtful and entertaining.

If you told me it was Geoff Johns or Scott Lobdell or something... all the questions posed in the above promo would be settled by fighting, yelling, more fighting, some deus ex machina happenstance, more fighting, and more yelling.... that's after 3 or 5 issues of filler that goes nowhere.

@BKole said:

@The Mighty Monarch said:

@inferiorego said:

The creative teams on these books are awesome. I shall give them a shot.

THIS.

@Hastny said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

This.

Why should we waste money on this kind of titles when we know DC may not even give them a proper chance before giving it the boot? If it doesnt sell it obviously doesnt have a place in the New 52, and why risk falling in love with a series if it means such disappointment.

This is why these series' get cancelled. That mentality is too widespread.

This is 100% accurate. If you don't want to try it, that's fine. Others, however, do want to give something new a go. Comics are not 100% prats wearing their pants on the outside punching other prats into buildings. Some readers wants something a little bit different, mature or indeed intelligent. God forbid we be allowed to have something different instead of homogenized Batman and SELECTED CHARACTER OF THE WEEK spun into forty eight on-goings.

I think you must have missread what i wrote. If you read my comment again you'll probably see that I wasn't complaining over all the new non-cape books DC's been publishing. I've picked most of them up myself and they're excellent. What I was really saying is that DC hasn't given any of these books a proper chance. They've been canceled way too early to be able to find themselves a steady fanbase. Since we seem to agree on this I dont see why you're arguing.

It seems to me like everyone is pissed off at DC for cancelling books like Sword and Sorcery(ostensibly because they didn't perform well in sales) and adding books like this because DC is just going to cancel them because they won't sell. Seems like a self fulfilling prophesy to me. Personally, I'm glad that DC is even trying weird and risky books like Sword and Sorcery or these two new books at all. It isn't their fault that they don't sell well. At the end of the day, they're a business and if a book isn't selling well, it makes sense that they'd want to cut it and replace it with something else.

Honestly, the creative teams on these books have me on board, and the concept intrigues me. I'll definitely have to add these to the pull next time I get to the shop.

@Manbehindthewires said:

@inferiorego said:

Wait.... Where's my Prez reboot?

Here's a pictoral metaphor to answer your question :P

DON'T DROP HIM, SUPERGIRL! DISOBEY YOUR ORDERS!

@inferiorego said:

Wait.... Where's my Prez reboot?

Here's a pictoral metaphor to answer your question :P

@The Mighty Monarch said:

@inferiorego said:

The creative teams on these books are awesome. I shall give them a shot.

THIS.

@Hastny said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

This.

Why should we waste money on this kind of titles when we know DC may not even give them a proper chance before giving it the boot? If it doesnt sell it obviously doesnt have a place in the New 52, and why risk falling in love with a series if it means such disappointment.

This is why these series' get cancelled. That mentality is too widespread.

This is 100% accurate. If you don't want to try it, that's fine. Others, however, do want to give something new a go. Comics are not 100% prats wearing their pants on the outside punching other prats into buildings. Some readers wants something a little bit different, mature or indeed intelligent. God forbid we be allowed to have something different instead of homogenized Batman and SELECTED CHARACTER OF THE WEEK spun into forty eight on-goings.

Now after talking a little time to read the post and the following comments I've come to this conclusion:

The ideas are good, especially if these 2 books are going to be interwoven with one and other: looking at one situation through the perspective of 2 different groups, with each group giving a coherent dialogue, be it action packed or not, that would allow the reader to understand the thinking on both sides of the fence and come up onto their own conclusion afterwards. Something that makes readers think, where situations aren't black and white. Though I do admit that this is just me imagining how such titles could work as the reality may be very different esspecially if these 2 titles aren't interwoven, which considering the idea of the 1% and the 99% they should, than neither will go anywhere as you'd not have the duality of the situation. And for 2 titles to be placed in "the edge" line I think it's great, as it also expands the ideas of what kind of future titles can fall into this line and not labelling it as "the intense blood and violence" line of books. Additionally the creative teams behind these books are good with Simone, the un-fireable, Herald of a large fan base that shall follow her every works, on "Movement" and the guys behind Tiny Titans on "green team" (though it does ask the question of the which tone the series will have?). Plus these cover images look darn fine (I'm a sucker for this kind of cover work).

Now the problem as I see are as thus: These titles are said to be inspired by the occupy wall street movement, which I admit don't know much about (sorry) but from what I gather basically comes down to 1% of people having a larger quantity of wealth than the 99% (.... like I said I don't know much), but if that's the case than I just have to say one thing. This isn't new. It's not recent. Sure the whole occupy movement appeared on the news recently (recently being used in the sense of not a few years ago) but the inequality between those who've had money and those who didn't has been going on for a VEEEEEEERY long time and both DC and Marvel have told stories about this topic (or similar ones) before. This is not new, it's simply DC cashing in on a event which occured recently (esspecially considering that most of the people wore the Guy Fawks masks that was worn by V in V for Vendeta. A property owned by DC) in hopes of being, and pardon my way of phrase here "down with the kids" and "topical" They've tried being topical before and it's resulted in poor result due to writers either having a baies to the message in which they're trying to tell (Amazons attack, Battle for Bludhaven = badly written metaphors for the Iraq war) so if this is comming off of the coat tails of the movement than there are going to be biases in the writing (despite how good these writers are). Secondly people are peeved at the idea that titles such as these replaced the 8 other titles cancelled recently (the 6 from yesterday and the 2 last month) and with the current speed at which titles are being cancelled us as readers aren't given time to get over some frustration over the cancellations and the creative teams remarks before having new series which, on first impression, we are not going to look at posetivley due to only just hearing about cancellations and having no closure with the other titles. Finally as a result of being a new titles (or in the case of The Green Team a n52 reimagination of a previous property), having a premise which isn't open or interesting to many readers, some of which who want escapism not reality, and which is set in the line of books of the DCNU which aren't at the forefront of some peoples mind these titles, unfortuanatly will not resceive a large audience and as a result shan't have a large number of sails.

Now as far as new series go I do hope that they do well and that an audiance does come to them (or at least, if their cancelled they end up becomming cult classics which urge DC to launch them again) but DC's unstable line with constant cancellations is making people lose hope, and will probably result in all that new 52 shine which finally (after many, many, many years of titles, story arks, and captain carrot) saw them overtake the House of ideas in sales disapear, allowing marvels sales from their NOW line to return them to the top.

These sound really interesting.

Anyway I think it's unfair when people say that DC decided to cancel such and such for whatever new books are coming out. Frankly, it's the readers (or rather the lack of readers) who decide to cancel a book. If they're not being read or bought then how is DC supposed to continue it? They have no reason to want to loose money on an unpopular series that isn't profitable. If those books were being supported by readers then they would not be canceled. And all comics publishers operate that way. It's the same thing with TV shows. They get canceled if the ratings aren't there, yet I only hear comics readers blaming the publishers as if the decision to cancel was made just to offend them. So stupid.

umm...topical?

Got to give DC credit for taking a (perceived) risk with these titles.

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

Many people use comics as an escape from the harsh realities of the world. Rough times at home, school,financial woes, religion, and politics, are reasons children or teens may be introduced to comics . Could it be , Dc comics doesn't reconize this ,or will Batman be making appearances to help boost sales in these books as well. Actually it wouldn't matter, these titles are set up for epic fail, and someone please post the sales results, so we all can say I told you so!

I think this is great! Its something different! Do i think its good because im British? Or is it weird that i think its cool and that i am British? Sound off your thoughts below

It seems to me like everyone is pissed off at DC for cancelling books like Sword and Sorcery(ostensibly because they didn't perform well in sales) and adding books like this because DC is just going to cancel them because they won't sell. Seems like a self fulfilling prophesy to me. Personally, I'm glad that DC is even trying weird and risky books like Sword and Sorcery or these two new books at all. It isn't their fault that they don't sell well. At the end of the day, they're a business and if a book isn't selling well, it makes sense that they'd want to cut it and replace it with something else.

Honestly, the creative teams on these books have me on board, and the concept intrigues me. I'll definitely have to add these to the pull next time I get to the shop.

I want to get this, but it may be better as a mini series than an ongoing

The concept sounds awesome, but can those two series find an actual ground? Like what most people said already, I wouldn't be surprised if those two get canceled in 7 issues.

Green Team sounds kind of interesting, but I don't know if I'll want to read it if it gets cancelled after only a few issues. The Movement sounds like more of that 99%/Occupy bulls###. Neither of these will last.

The Occupy movement? Really? That's the latest bandwagon? Is that because a lot of the groups wear V masks (copyright: Big Bucks film studio...you know, the type you're protesting against, Occupy fans...) ;)

Like many of the people on here I'm disappointed that the new titles didn't get a chance to shine. In a world where half of the comics seem to be Bat or Supes related (yes I'm tweaking that up a little, yes they sell) it's disappointing that other comics are not given a chance. I like Sword and Sorcery, especially the Beowulf back-up story and I was interested in where they would take Stalker. And I'd just started to get into T7, what with them usining Eclipso and the hints that people like Majestic and Spartan are going to appear (two characters I'm curious about in the New 52 world.

I remember reading of the main Comicvine people suggesting that we should have another Bat title to explain what had happened in the New 52 past rather than 'rebooting obscure characters'. I remember hating that idea but that's still better than this. I'm pre-judging, and hats off if it's great, but I doubt it will be.

I guess that's why Marvel have started to draw me back. Sure they may have event, after event, after event (wait, not after, almost at the same time as!). New 52 still has a lot going for it but, just lately, its gone a bit off the boil for me.

Something about this concept reminds me of something I tried to write a while back. I wrote a short story about basically hobos with super powers who had to fight super villains who were the upper crust of society. One of the good guys would like form weapons from the coins in his begging cup, like a whip or staff. Then he'd have to fight a villain who throws credit cards like Bullseye-style. As I tried writing more it felt a bit in poor taste. All I was doing was taking social class stereotypes and making ridiculous reasons for them to fight. This has me intrigued enough to check out these books.

@DEGRAAF said:

These both seem like HORRIBLE bases for comics. Out of all their ideas this is what they came up with!?!

a book about super heroes fighting social injustice and a book about rich pepole going on adventures are bad ideas for comics? Thats exactly what Green Arrow and Iron Man/Batman are.

Comics getting political. Sounds like fun. Or not.

@The Mighty Monarch: Hey, I've been following I,vampire, Voodoo, Sword of sorcery, Blue beetle and the new Deathstroke, all titles wich I loved and that has now been cancelled. I'm just tired of losing great books because DC is getting greedy. If they cancel Dial H and Demon Knights as well I swear I'm gonna break something.

After this 2 i'm not gonna be surprised to see Binky Biggs again xD

ill try them both for the team on the titles......though i will say the concept doesnt really intrigue that much.

These both seem like HORRIBLE bases for comics. Out of all their ideas this is what they came up with!?!

@longbowhunter said:

@inferiorego: I really, really loved that Prez story Neil Gaiman did with Mike Allred in Sandman.

I'm reading Sandman currently, and when I heard about that story, I got super excited. I can't wait to get to that issue.

I seriously love Prez. Yes, it's stupid, but I like stupid sometimes.

@inferiorego: I really, really loved that Prez story Neil Gaiman did with Mike Allred in Sandman.

And the books that people actually want are:

Shazam!

Cyborg

Martian Manhunter

Atom

Zatanna

Not Vibe, Katana, Green Team, and the Movement.

Also, why is DC sticking with an arbitrary 52 titles when they clearly can't sustain it? So many of these books have no point in existing. I'm not a Marvel fanboy, but they seem to know how to manage titles better.

The Movement seems like it could be interesting. Might check it out. Not gonna hold my breath, though.

@AWeekInGeekdom said:

I like them venturing into new grounds with such obscure revivals as the Green Team but titles like Ravagers and Sword of Sorcery could have been given a chance to shine. I seriously don't see these new green/red occupy books lasting long.

Sales almost never actually go up from the first issue. Because of that, 3-4 issues in and you can tell when a book just won't last/ Nothing could have saved those books at the rates they were selling.

In any case, Gail Simone alone will probably keep the red book going.

Seems interesting

Cool idea for a miniseries but not an ongoing.

I am seriously thinking of breaking my goal of reading all the New 52. This is nowhere near what I am interested. Maybe Green Team, but definitely NOT digging the Movement one bit.

@inferiorego said:

The creative teams on these books are awesome. I shall give them a shot.

THIS.

@Hastny said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

This.

Why should we waste money on this kind of titles when we know DC may not even give them a proper chance before giving it the boot? If it doesnt sell it obviously doesnt have a place in the New 52, and why risk falling in love with a series if it means such disappointment.

This is why these series' get cancelled. That mentality is too widespread.

Everyone expects they will be bad but i hope the can prove the opposite. I'll try them for sure.