DC Comics Announces THE MOVEMENT and THE GREEN TEAM

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@DEGRAAF said:

These both seem like HORRIBLE bases for comics. Out of all their ideas this is what they came up with!?!

a book about super heroes fighting social injustice and a book about rich people going on adventures are bad ideas for comics? Thats exactly what Green Arrow and Iron Man/Batman are.

Yeah and im not reading those either lol

Actually you make it sound better it didnt sound like anything heroic was going to happen in the rich teenager book

I don't read comics to be reminded that 1% of people own 99% of the nation's wealth. We already know money can make top tier heroes: Batman and Iron Man.

People, people, the only way to ensure a book doesn't get cancelled is to buy it, and the only way to ensure it does is not to buy it. Saying that you won't buy a book because it is going to be cancelled anyway is a self fulfilling prophecy. If the book interests you, then actually give it a chance. Worst case scenario, you get 8 issues out of any New 52 series before the chopping block comes down. It sucks when a book gets cancelled, but 8 issues is still a lot, more than the average miniseries.

But to be honest, yeah, these books will probably be cancelled super quickly. When you look at the series that didn't last like G.I. Combat, Men at War, Sword of Sorcery, it is unlikely these books will last unless they have some known character in tights on the squad (which they might, we have no information yet). You can't blame DC for these cancellations, at least they are actively trying out new ideas, instead of coasting on the same old thing over and over again. If you need to blame anyone for cancellations of this type of book, blame your fellow fans that aren't giving these unconventional books a chance.

I for one commend DC for taking these risks in the first place. That being said, these two books sound very gimmicky, the whole Occupy Wallstreet thing seems as old hat at this point as a book about the Tea Party would. These books just don't interest me, but that's fine, there are 50 other monthly titles from DC alone to choose from. Every single book doesn't have to be tailored to me. Despite any criticism I may have of DC, the thinking process behind these two books is the same one that gave me books like Animal Man and Dial H.

Well at least these titles seem to be more ambitious than have a book about people punching other people in the most basic and dullest superhero fashion.

Wow, just what your readers were wanting DC. Preachy, one-sided political views without anything to even mask it. I mean, I like when characters have fierce views that allow them to address certain dated issues, but that's not the main reason you read them. It's about their adventures and heroics and their political views just show up on natural occasions to flesh them out.

These honestly sound like the biggest steaming piles DC has come up with yet. Even worse than the decision of giving Vibe his own on-going.

Go Green Team !

I LOVE the ideas of those two books. I don't get why people bitch about it. Nowadays people on the internet just so cynical. And @Hastny, if you are interested in those two books but don't want to show some support because you think it's going to be cancelled anyway, and if everybody thinks so, then they will be cancelled. But if you like it and so take action to support them, they probably won't. Stop complaining, love what you love, or there is nothing for you left to be loved by you...

@Perfect 10:

it was announced a few days ago that savage hawkman, fury of firestorm, ravagers, deathstroke, team 7 and sword of sorcery are all being cancelled...

This sounds legit interesting.

It's something DC has never done. It's the New 52. Why not try something different?

Why DC? Why?!

A couple of things:

First of all, I'll join the chorus of people saying that neither of these books will be long for this world. DC seems quite committed to their "spaghetti noodle against a wall" strategy, throwing books at the market helter skelter just to see if something random will stick. With a few exceptions, the only things currently sticking are the things DC has always done well--superheroes. So here's what I think DC should do:

1) Commit to a manageable number of ongoing books, featuring the most popular superheroes in DC's stable--and stack the books with the absolute best talent they can find. Then, give them license to do some really creative things with those properties.

2) Don't back off of the fringe books, but stop trying to sell them all as titles that can go the distance. They can't. The New 52 taught us that, at least. Instead, announce ahead of time that these books will be released as miniseries--8-12 issues long--and commit to letting them run their full course, no matter how low the sales numbers get. If sales are higher than expected, great! Commit to another limited mini-series run. If not, at least the story gets finished as the book comes to a close. Less egg on your face, less disappointment on the part of the fans. Staff these books with talent, and tell editorial to give them as wide a berth as possible to tell the stories they want to tell in the way they want to tell them.

Just my two cents.

what books got cancelled??

@OutlawRenegade:

I have to agree with you completely! Each of the books you mentioned sound amazing! and they've all been mentioned before.

However I gotta say I'm getting annoyed with Marvel for different reasons. In the Marvel Now! there are 6 Avengers series ( not including A+X and Young Avengers); 3 X-Men series and 2 X-Force series, for a total of 5 X-related series (again not counting A+X, Wolverine and the X-Men, or any spine-off solo series); and 2 Wolverine series (still not counting Wolverine and the X-Men- I mean I love the guy but does he need to be the title character in 3 series?)! Do we need the Avengers/ X name plastered over every comic marvel dishes out? It really sucks having some of my favorite characters broken apart from each other and scatter across different comics.

With that said Batman has 4 series in the new 52 and appears in JL and JLI regularly (and cameos any chance he gets).So no DC isn't better with this but is VERY annoying!

I think they sound pretty interesting. I'll definitely be picking them up.

If these were Image of indie books they might have a chance, I really do not see these working as part of the overall DCU

@RedheadedAtrocitus: It's an allegory to the Occupy Movement in general.

It's really annoying that pepole think that OWS was the only Occupy movement even though it was happening internationality well before that.

These books may have had a shot if they were published under an independent label or if they were minis,cause lets face it superhero comic fans aren't interested in stuff like this and with DC on a cancellation frenzy it doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in their longevity either.I'll give Movement a shot IF it happens to have atleast one character that I like.

I don't even have to read much into it to obviously see this is an allegory of the OWS movement, but geez, of all ways they did it, they had to include THIS obscure throwback from the seventies that never even got its own proper series?! I mean why don't we just start to give ongoings to other obscure characters? Why not an ongoing for Ultra the Multi-Alien? Or what about the Space Canine Patrol Agents? Just making a point here that it seems DC is trying to pull out things from its past that didn't work then hoping it will now. I don't know, I may still give both of these a shot.

these comics are gonna suck so bad, it's gonna hurt.

admitedly, if this wasn't DC--if it was, like, a different, smaller publisher or something--I'd be intrigued. However, I'm too busy waiting on DC to reintroduce it's characters to worry about titles that, quite honestly, probably aren't gonna last.

I'd like to know who's going to be on the teams, if they're characters that we've been waiting to see I'm definitely on board. If they are new creations I might hold off

@OutlawRenegade: i really agree with you plus red robin and black canary need their own series

they cancel team 7 and now that? omg

This is the most stupid idea I've heard yet.

I personally can't wait to get the Red Team. I buy everything Gail Simon writes. I hope this does not mean she is leaving Bat girl.

I find myself wondering if Gail is even going to mention the Rape Tents, or the Public Defecation. I have a sneaking suspicion "The Movement" is just about indoctrinating the young, inexperienced, and uninformed with a silly ideology.

Thankfully, that means it's gonna bomb bigtime. All hail Capitalism. Tough tamales Gail.

@entee said:

@The_Tree said:

@BKole said:

@The Mighty Monarch said:

@inferiorego said:

The creative teams on these books are awesome. I shall give them a shot.

THIS.

@Hastny said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

This.

Why should we waste money on this kind of titles when we know DC may not even give them a proper chance before giving it the boot? If it doesnt sell it obviously doesnt have a place in the New 52, and why risk falling in love with a series if it means such disappointment.

This is why these series' get cancelled. That mentality is too widespread.

This is 100% accurate. If you don't want to try it, that's fine. Others, however, do want to give something new a go. Comics are not 100% prats wearing their pants on the outside punching other prats into buildings. Some readers wants something a little bit different, mature or indeed intelligent. God forbid we be allowed to have something different instead of homogenized Batman and SELECTED CHARACTER OF THE WEEK spun into forty eight on-goings.

I don't think you got the intended point. They weren't upset about DC trying out different types of books, they're upset because whenever DC does try to release something different (I Vampire, Sword of Sorcery, Men of War, GI Combat, etc.), it gets cancelled. Their reasoning is: "What's the point of getting invested in something like this when you know it'll just be next up for the chopping block?"

And honestly, I can't blame them. While DC is a business and needs money to function, they need to realize that certain books aren't going to sell very well from the get-go. There's no point in giving these books a shot if they're just going to shut it down after a few issues.

DC is a business first and unfortunately, they'll always favor their profits rather than the stories they tell. As long as they have a book like Batman or Justice League to sell well, all the other books get aside.

If DC was really serious about releasing a new number 1, knowing that it probably won't sell well in the long run, why can't they have them as mini series? They did that with Morrison's Animal Man in the 80s! It was supposed to be a 4 issue mini but strong sales turned it into an ongoing. It's just sad to see people get invested over brand new books with their favorite characters and have those books end in less than a year. Comic book limbo isn't fun.

My point is, despite who may or may not agree ,comics were used as an escape from harsh realities. Some are those realities consist of politics and wordly issues. You asked if I thought these titles were interesting at least a little, and forgive me but I'm gonna say no. Why? thats easy, my comics are my escape from that reality ,and I feel that titles like this are an invasion to my world and the innocent mind of children. I'm sorry if you don't agree. I have access to CNN and C-Span to pick up the latest on politics and other worldly issues. Children deserve the right to stay innocent without the influence of such comics being solicited to them. This allows them to remain pure without political influences. Dc's decision here is eronous at the least. Politics breeds hate and seperation among cultures, you know . Shame on Dc. By the way, this will fail, and make mines Marvel, which I'm primarily a fan of since day one anyway.

These look intriguing and nice to see DC diving into this genre. I'll be picking these up and checking them out. That's really the only way to judge a book. I suppose I could use this space to speculate and complain about these titles before they're even released and pretend I know more about running DC than its employers, but it seems that's already been covered in detail.

I'm glad that DC hasn't yet given in to the urge to replace cancelled titles with more Bat and Super books, which would sell regardless of quality. I'll give the Movement a shot.

For those complaining about DC is replacing cancelled books with more books "destined to be cancelled," that's entirely YOUR decision. If you keep buying crap like Red Lanterns and Supergirl while ignoring books that are actually good on the grounds that "they'll get cancelled eventually," don't complain when DC has 22 Batman titles,

@evilvegeta74 said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

Many people use comics as an escape from the harsh realities of the world. Rough times at home, school,financial woes, religion, and politics, are reasons children or teens may be introduced to comics . Could it be , Dc comics doesn't reconize this ,or will Batman be making appearances to help boost sales in these books as well. Actually it wouldn't matter, these titles are set up for epic fail, and someone please post the sales results, so we all can say I told you so!

They are melding our harsh realities into a superpowered comic. How isn't that some form of escape? Super hero activists!!! Come on that has to be a little interesting. I would imagine the Green Team to be a bunch of Tony Stark type individuals except without the smarts. They just pay people for their tech. At least it will give some sort of commentary on some of our national issues.

@Icon said:

These sound really interesting.

Anyway I think it's unfair when people say that DC decided to cancel such and such for whatever new books are coming out. Frankly, it's the readers (or rather the lack of readers) who decide to cancel a book. If they're not being read or bought then how is DC supposed to continue it? They have no reason to want to loose money on an unpopular series that isn't profitable. If those books were being supported by readers then they would not be canceled. And all comics publishers operate that way. It's the same thing with TV shows. They get canceled if the ratings aren't there, yet I only hear comics readers blaming the publishers as if the decision to cancel was made just to offend them. So stupid.

^^^What he said

@BKole said:

@The Mighty Monarch said:

@inferiorego said:

The creative teams on these books are awesome. I shall give them a shot.

THIS.

@Hastny said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

This.

Why should we waste money on this kind of titles when we know DC may not even give them a proper chance before giving it the boot? If it doesnt sell it obviously doesnt have a place in the New 52, and why risk falling in love with a series if it means such disappointment.

This is why these series' get cancelled. That mentality is too widespread.

This is 100% accurate. If you don't want to try it, that's fine. Others, however, do want to give something new a go. Comics are not 100% prats wearing their pants on the outside punching other prats into buildings. Some readers wants something a little bit different, mature or indeed intelligent. God forbid we be allowed to have something different instead of homogenized Batman and SELECTED CHARACTER OF THE WEEK spun into forty eight on-goings.

Well said @inferiorego@Hastny@BKole

Why The Faces? lol. You guys are hating way too much. DC is trying something different. You have to at least give that a little respect. I'll give these books a shot.

@sbpart01: "WTF" is the April Event

Anyone else feel that these could be extremely biased?

I know Simone is a huge feminist, and I think that could make the book really interesting or annoying for people who don't agree with her.

If these books have balance and smart writing, there could be some hope

@The_Tree said:

@BKole said:

@The Mighty Monarch said:

@inferiorego said:

The creative teams on these books are awesome. I shall give them a shot.

THIS.

@Hastny said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

This.

Why should we waste money on this kind of titles when we know DC may not even give them a proper chance before giving it the boot? If it doesnt sell it obviously doesnt have a place in the New 52, and why risk falling in love with a series if it means such disappointment.

This is why these series' get cancelled. That mentality is too widespread.

This is 100% accurate. If you don't want to try it, that's fine. Others, however, do want to give something new a go. Comics are not 100% prats wearing their pants on the outside punching other prats into buildings. Some readers wants something a little bit different, mature or indeed intelligent. God forbid we be allowed to have something different instead of homogenized Batman and SELECTED CHARACTER OF THE WEEK spun into forty eight on-goings.

I don't think you got the intended point. They weren't upset about DC trying out different types of books, they're upset because whenever DC does try to release something different (I Vampire, Sword of Sorcery, Men of War, GI Combat, etc.), it gets cancelled. Their reasoning is: "What's the point of getting invested in something like this when you know it'll just be next up for the chopping block?"

And honestly, I can't blame them. While DC is a business and needs money to function, they need to realize that certain books aren't going to sell very well from the get-go. There's no point in giving these books a shot if they're just going to shut it down after a few issues.

DC is a business first and unfortunately, they'll always favor their profits rather than the stories they tell. As long as they have a book like Batman or Justice League to sell well, all the other books get aside.

If DC was really serious about releasing a new number 1, knowing that it probably won't sell well in the long run, why can't they have them as mini series? They did that with Morrison's Animal Man in the 80s! It was supposed to be a 4 issue mini but strong sales turned it into an ongoing. It's just sad to see people get invested over brand new books with their favorite characters and have those books end in less than a year. Comic book limbo isn't fun.

weird

As someone who was reading Ravagers, Sword of Sorcery, and Team 7, it saddens me they are getting cancelled. At the same time, however, I can guarantee you most of the people complaining they got cancelled so earlier didn't buy any of them. Guess what? You're part of the problem.

@The_Tree: It does seems like a have a problem communicating today.

Thanks for helping me out. I appreciate it!

@BKole: It's okay. Glad it was just a misunderstanding. I've made similar mistakes when replying to other comments so now I'm just happy I'm not the only one. lol

Hmm...idk bro, idk.

@BKole said:

@The Mighty Monarch said:

@inferiorego said:

The creative teams on these books are awesome. I shall give them a shot.

THIS.

@Hastny said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

This.

Why should we waste money on this kind of titles when we know DC may not even give them a proper chance before giving it the boot? If it doesnt sell it obviously doesnt have a place in the New 52, and why risk falling in love with a series if it means such disappointment.

This is why these series' get cancelled. That mentality is too widespread.

This is 100% accurate. If you don't want to try it, that's fine. Others, however, do want to give something new a go. Comics are not 100% prats wearing their pants on the outside punching other prats into buildings. Some readers wants something a little bit different, mature or indeed intelligent. God forbid we be allowed to have something different instead of homogenized Batman and SELECTED CHARACTER OF THE WEEK spun into forty eight on-goings.

I don't think you got the intended point. They weren't upset about DC trying out different types of books, they're upset because whenever DC does try to release something different (I Vampire, Sword of Sorcery, Men of War, GI Combat, etc.), it gets cancelled. Their reasoning is: "What's the point of getting invested in something like this when you know it'll just be next up for the chopping block?"

And honestly, I can't blame them. While DC is a business and needs money to function, they need to realize that certain books aren't going to sell very well from the get-go. There's no point in giving these books a shot if they're just going to shut it down after a few issues.

Oh dear. Politics is broken, and this really is a sad move. What happened to good comics? Absolutely disgraceful.I'm going to write a comic about a board meeting, what fun.

i need to know what characters are going to be in these two books so i can make my jugdement on them are they solo or team books come on dc dont give us one of those b.s vague marvel teasers but at lease the edge is geting new books now if only the young justice category can get some new books

@Hastny: Apologies, I wasn't actually directing this at you, I was quoting what the Monarch said, and I didn't realize it'd hit you with a notification as well. I agree with your point, not arguing with what you said, more of agreeing with what the Monarch said and you got pulled into the mix.

written by gail .. .Oh jeez...

So its a political comic?

Really they are going to remove fantastic books for political and actvist statement books. No thanks.

Its like after somebody mentione DK Rises was a statement by Nolan for occupy Wallstreet. All I could think of was that idea at first.

@sbpart01: @sbpart01 said:

So DC decided to get rid of hawkman and deathstroke for this...wtf.

People read Hawkman and Deathstroke?

This will get canceled few months time replaced...again.

They actually sound pretty interesting.

@The Mighty Monarch said:

@inferiorego said:

The creative teams on these books are awesome. I shall give them a shot.

THIS.

@Hastny said:

@entee said:

I can't help but feel that this'll get cancelled in a few months

This.

Why should we waste money on this kind of titles when we know DC may not even give them a proper chance before giving it the boot? If it doesnt sell it obviously doesnt have a place in the New 52, and why risk falling in love with a series if it means such disappointment.

This is why these series' get cancelled. That mentality is too widespread.

So is the mentality of breathing to stay alive, yet it seems to be a good thing.

These books might have made it passed issue 5 when they were topical. Which was 5 years ago... Come on DC, is the best you can come up with? You have a HUGE stable of Golden Age heroes to play with for Prime's sake!