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Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Superior Spider-Man/Hobgoblin vs. Wolverine/Omega Red

Two unlikely alliances from Marvel are about to duke it out. Who will win the fight? Well, that's up to you, so come on in and cast your vote!

It was great to see last week's Zombie Apocalypse Scenario got everyone's creative juices flowing (fear not, there will be more scenarios!), but this week, we're going back to the basics, and man oh man, it's going to be a brutal one. The latest 'Comic Vine Battle of the Week' is forcing enemies to cast aside their differences and set their sights on other combatants. Now, keep in mind this doesn't mean the characters are obligated to actually work with one another, but they won't focus their efforts on attacking their teammate!

In one corner, we have Superior Spider-Man and the new Hobgoblin, Phil Urich. In the other, we have the famous X-Man, Wolverine, and his longtime enemy, Omega Red. Which side is going to win this battle? Well, that'll be determined by your arguments and votes, so read all of the rules and then click the link to begin the debate!

Comic Vine Battle of the Week Rules

  • Combatants are in character and have standard gear.
  • This is a random encounter.
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated, at night and all standard city lights remain on. They start roughly 30 feet apart and visible. There's a fair amount of cover between them (parked vehicles, bus stops and such). The entire city region is on limits.
  • Phil begins already in the air (let's assume roughly 20 feet high).
  • Wolverine does have his healing factor.
  • As stated above, teammates are not being forced to use teamwork or help one another. That said, they will not focus their efforts to hurt their teammate, nor are they obligated to help, either. For example, if Wolverine is in dire trouble, Omega Red may simply smile and not come to his aid (again, just an example and not saying that's what would actually happen). How they'd act in this situation is entirely up for debate. They want to win the fight, but keep in mind, they are indeed in character as well.
  • Incapacitation, knockout or death all count as elimination.
  • It's not mandatory, but if you take time to vote, elaborating as well would be extra awesome. Keep things informative and your post could be the next Viner Argument of the Week!

CLICK HERE TO VOTE!!!

Viners, you have the week to research, debate and vote! This means there's no reason to vote right away if you don't have all of the info you need to make an educated decision. Check the homepage Friday for an updated article with the following:

  • My extended thoughts on the match.
  • A Viner Argument in favor of the poll's winner (can't include scans and must be in the poll thread).
  • Extra thoughts from other Comic Vine staffers.
  • If we're lucky, blurbs from industry talent.

Feel free to make future match suggestions in the comments below or via Gregg's Twitter page.

46 Comments
Posted by AlKusanagi

That's a couple of dead Spidey characters...

Posted by pedrobaez

uuummm no...actually there is a chance here for spoock// hobgoblin here...... the goblin just need to use his sonic scream...wolverine cant stand it.....and for omega......... maybe use the sonic scream again or efforts combined....

Posted by sasquatch888

wolverine / omega red take this

Posted by GhostRider29

Omega red is the main threat, while wolverine is no push over. I think Omega Red/ Wolverine would take this 6/10 times. As long as Wolverine is paired against hob goblin, not Superior spidey.

Posted by AllStarSuperman

Research time!

Posted by tparks

Omega Red is probably the toughest one here, but Wolvie is definitely the weakest. SpOck and Hobby's mobility is far above anything that either Wolverine or Red could possibly keep up with. I'm giving it to SpOck and Hobby. They can keep out of range of most of the other team's attacks, while continuing to press an attack at range.

Posted by TheCheeseStabber

The gore and Brutality of this fight gives it a hard R.

No one under 18 Allowed in this thread!

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Edited by Super_SoldierXII

Spidey team need to stay at range. They do that, they win. They move in to brawl, they lose (death spores weaken, coils and claws take em out).

Posted by PeppeyHare

Wolvie and Omega take this

Edited by New_World_Order
Posted by sasquatch888

@tparks said:

Omega Red is probably the toughest one here, but Wolvie is definitely the weakest. SpOck and Hobby's mobility is far above anything that either Wolverine or Red could possibly keep up with. I'm giving it to SpOck and Hobby. They can keep out of range of most of the other team's attacks, while continuing to press an attack at range.

Wolvie is definitely the weakest.??? wtf...you think the hobgoblin could beat wolverine ???

Posted by Macktor

I think that SpOck would have a lot of fun with Omega Red to be honest. He should be an expert on fighting with long metal arms and he is strongerphysically. HobGod could easily fight wolverine from a distance and keep bombing him until he is damaged enough to put him out of the fight with his sword

Edited by tparks

@tparks said:

Omega Red is probably the toughest one here, but Wolvie is definitely the weakest. SpOck and Hobby's mobility is far above anything that either Wolverine or Red could possibly keep up with. I'm giving it to SpOck and Hobby. They can keep out of range of most of the other team's attacks, while continuing to press an attack at range.

Wolvie is definitely the weakest.??? wtf...you think the hobgoblin could beat wolverine ???

Wolvie can't fly. What's he going to do?

Edited by Juiceboks

@tparks said:

@sasquatch888 said:

@tparks said:

Omega Red is probably the toughest one here, but Wolvie is definitely the weakest. SpOck and Hobby's mobility is far above anything that either Wolverine or Red could possibly keep up with. I'm giving it to SpOck and Hobby. They can keep out of range of most of the other team's attacks, while continuing to press an attack at range.

Wolvie is definitely the weakest.??? wtf...you think the hobgoblin could beat wolverine ???

Wolvie can't fly. What's he going to do?

How would they put him down though? They're gonna run out of bombs eventually(not that they would phase him).

Edited by JetiiMitra

@tparks said:

@sasquatch888 said:

@tparks said:

Omega Red is probably the toughest one here, but Wolvie is definitely the weakest. SpOck and Hobby's mobility is far above anything that either Wolverine or Red could possibly keep up with. I'm giving it to SpOck and Hobby. They can keep out of range of most of the other team's attacks, while continuing to press an attack at range.

Wolvie is definitely the weakest.??? wtf...you think the hobgoblin could beat wolverine ???

Wolvie can't fly. What's he going to do?

How would they put him down though? They're gonna run out of bombs eventually(not that they would phase him).

That sonic scream had normal people's ears bleeding. For someone with enhanced senses.....?

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Posted by nickxfrye

Unless Wolvie and Omega Red find a way to work together I think they're toast. But that's asking a lot considering the history with these two.

Edited by tparks

@tparks said:

@sasquatch888 said:

@tparks said:

Omega Red is probably the toughest one here, but Wolvie is definitely the weakest. SpOck and Hobby's mobility is far above anything that either Wolverine or Red could possibly keep up with. I'm giving it to SpOck and Hobby. They can keep out of range of most of the other team's attacks, while continuing to press an attack at range.

Wolvie is definitely the weakest.??? wtf...you think the hobgoblin could beat wolverine ???

Wolvie can't fly. What's he going to do?

How would they put him down though? They're gonna run out of bombs eventually(not that they would phase him).

Maybe a stalemate then, although SpOck has the strength/skill to KO Wolverine.

Posted by Wolverine08

@mitran said:

@juiceboks said:

@tparks said:

@sasquatch888 said:

@tparks said:

Omega Red is probably the toughest one here, but Wolvie is definitely the weakest. SpOck and Hobby's mobility is far above anything that either Wolverine or Red could possibly keep up with. I'm giving it to SpOck and Hobby. They can keep out of range of most of the other team's attacks, while continuing to press an attack at range.

Wolvie is definitely the weakest.??? wtf...you think the hobgoblin could beat wolverine ???

Wolvie can't fly. What's he going to do?

How would they put him down though? They're gonna run out of bombs eventually(not that they would phase him).

That sonic scream had normal people's ears bleeding. For someone with enhanced senses.....?

Wolverine's healing factor and durability/ pain tolerance lets him tank attacks that would effect his enhanced senses (Hulk's thunder claps, etc.)

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Posted by Omnicrono

Lone Wolf and Red take this, I think.

Going to need to do a little research here.

Posted by Wolverine08

Lone Wolf and Red take this, I think.

Going to need to do a little research here.

LOL, nice Wolverine nickname! :D

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Posted by Super_SoldierXII

@mitran said:

@juiceboks said:

@tparks said:

@sasquatch888 said:

@tparks said:

Omega Red is probably the toughest one here, but Wolvie is definitely the weakest. SpOck and Hobby's mobility is far above anything that either Wolverine or Red could possibly keep up with. I'm giving it to SpOck and Hobby. They can keep out of range of most of the other team's attacks, while continuing to press an attack at range.

Wolvie is definitely the weakest.??? wtf...you think the hobgoblin could beat wolverine ???

Wolvie can't fly. What's he going to do?

How would they put him down though? They're gonna run out of bombs eventually(not that they would phase him).

That sonic scream had normal people's ears bleeding. For someone with enhanced senses.....?

It's a pain tolerance issue. One that Wolverine would win. Hulk's thunderclaps didn't put him down. Busted ear drums would drop a normal human. Wolverine is far, far from "normal" despite his enhanced senses. He'd fight through the pain as he most often does. Healing factor would repair the damage shortly thereafter.

Posted by Mister_Sensational

It's a shame that writers have gone to such extensive lengths in the last few years to degrade Logan to the point that people now actually think a B-grade villain like Hobgoblin can take him! I know this is a new Hobgoblin but that's my point, what has he done? What are some of his major accomplishments since he has been in existence that would make people come to the conclusion that he stands a chance against Logan? The commenter before me basically said he would just use his arsenal to bomb the sh*t out of Wolverine and them kill him with "his sword"! LOL, have we forgotten that Wolverine has survived Nuclear explosions, the full concussive force of Cyclops' optic blast, poundings by the Hulk and Juggernaut on several different occasions just to name a few things, oh yeah and there's that pesky little thing he has... what was it called? Oh right, his ADAMANTIUM SKELETON!

Spidey-Ock is the threat here simply because people will tout his bout with Logan a few months ago where Spidey-Ock basically embarrassed him, but that takes me back to my original point of writers going to great lengths to down grade Logan. Does anyone honestly think that Wolverine in a knockdown, drag out brawl (even with Spiderman) knowing the gloves were off would hold back or get caught off guard as he was in their last encounter, better yet ESPECIALLY after their last encounter?

Posted by Super_SoldierXII

It's a shame that writers have gone to such extensive lengths in the last few years to degrade Logan to the point that people now actually think a B-grade villain like Hobgoblin can take him! I know this is a new Hobgoblin but that's my point, what has he done? What are some of his major accomplishments since he has been in existence that would make people come to the conclusion that he stands a chance against Logan? The commenter before me basically said he would just use his arsenal to bomb the sh*t out of Wolverine and them kill him with "his sword"! LOL, have we forgotten that Wolverine has survived Nuclear explosions, the full concussive force of Cyclops' optic blast, poundings by the Hulk and Juggernaut on several different occasions just to name a few things, oh yeah and there's that pesky little thing he has... what was it called? Oh right, his ADAMANTIUM SKELETON!

Spidey-Ock is the threat here simply because people will tout his bout with Logan a few months ago where Spidey-Ock basically embarrassed him, but that takes me back to my original point of writers going to great lengths to down grade Logan. Does anyone honestly think that Wolverine in a knockdown, drag out brawl (even with Spiderman) knowing the gloves were off would hold back or get caught off guard as he was in their last encounter, better yet ESPECIALLY after their last encounter?

In the SpOck fight, Wolverine was obviously holding back though ... he didn't even 'pop' the claws ... tentatively trying to figure out what was "wrong" with Parker as he was out of character and "smelled" off. In round two, he got hold of SpOck and shut his mouth up pretty quick.

But yeah, Logan's been taking some hard knocks lately.

Edited by sasquatch888

@mister_sensational said:

It's a shame that writers have gone to such extensive lengths in the last few years to degrade Logan to the point that people now actually think a B-grade villain like Hobgoblin can take him! I know this is a new Hobgoblin but that's my point, what has he done? What are some of his major accomplishments since he has been in existence that would make people come to the conclusion that he stands a chance against Logan? The commenter before me basically said he would just use his arsenal to bomb the sh*t out of Wolverine and them kill him with "his sword"! LOL, have we forgotten that Wolverine has survived Nuclear explosions, the full concussive force of Cyclops' optic blast, poundings by the Hulk and Juggernaut on several different occasions just to name a few things, oh yeah and there's that pesky little thing he has... what was it called? Oh right, his ADAMANTIUM SKELETON!

Spidey-Ock is the threat here simply because people will tout his bout with Logan a few months ago where Spidey-Ock basically embarrassed him, but that takes me back to my original point of writers going to great lengths to down grade Logan. Does anyone honestly think that Wolverine in a knockdown, drag out brawl (even with Spiderman) knowing the gloves were off would hold back or get caught off guard as he was in their last encounter, better yet ESPECIALLY after their last encounter?

i agree with your comments ...wolverine is the top threat here out of the four .......give logan his respect he deserves who the f*ck are spidey-ock and the new hobgoblin "The commenter before me basically said he would just use his arsenal to bomb the sh*t out of Wolverine and them kill him with "his sword"!" ...kill him with "his sword"!!!!! logan is a samurai he would probably disarm hobgoblin with his own sword lol how many comics have these guys read ...SPIDEY OCK IS NOT PETER PARKER NOT EVEN CLOSE I DONT CARE HOW SUPERIOR HE SEEMS ...HE'LL GET HIS ASS WHIPPED BY LOGAN IN A REAL FIGHT ...AND DONT TRY TO USE THAT FAKE FIGHT FROM SUPERIOR TEAM UP ...THAT WAS BULL$HIT AND SPIDEY OCK BLINDSIDED LOGAN . YOU THINK HOBGOBLIN COULD HOLD THE AN ENRAGED LOGAN IN BERSERKER MODE AT BAY ...STOP SMOKING METH !LOL

@macktor said:

I think that SpOck would have a lot of fun with Omega Red to be honest. He should be an expert on fighting with long metal arms and he is strongerphysically. HobGod could easily fight wolverine from a distance and keep bombing him until he is damaged enough to put him out of the fight with his sword

WHAT DRUGS ARE YOU ON DUDE " HobGod could easily fight wolverine from a distance and keep bombing him until he is damaged enough to put him out of the fight with his sword" ARE YOU SERIOUS ??????

Posted by munkieKONG

Hobgoblin is a liability. He's none too bright. Easily rattled. And prone to just charging in because he's angry. While he should be intelligent and stay airborne and attack with range, I think he is 100% going to do something stupid and give one of his opponents a chance to take him down. And it wouldn't take much, he's far from a physical tank of a character.

Edited by k4tzm4n

@sasquatch888: There's no reason to make debating personal. Stop insulting people just because you disagree with them. If anything, opening with insults only hurts the validity of your post. Just stick to the facts when making your point, dude.

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Posted by Mezmero

Superior Spidey and Phil Urich take it. My thoughts are in the voting thread.

Posted by Admiral_IronBeast

This fight is going to last a freaking long time--healing factors assure that. Logan and Red will not work as a team, meaning they are not going to be able to easily defeat their agile adversaries either. I see this battle hinging on whether or not Phil and Spock can fight nonstop for 48 hours. Maybe the pair can keep Red busy constantly, causing him to die from his vampire abilities... Logan will NOT fetch someone for Red to kill to keep Red alive, so I guess Phil and Sock could try flying Red to top of a skyscraper and keeping him there with bombs and crap...then when Red dies they have to go try and defeat Wolverine. Wolverine will not be killed by the two (I doubt the sonic screams will do much more than piss Logan off, his healing factor will repair him so quickly...) as there is no way they can drown the X-Man. Maybe Spock and Phil's agile double team can damage Wolverine so much to knock him out, but I am skeptical of that as well...

Tell me if I am wrong, but I do not believe Spock and Phil can occupy Red for long enough for him to die from his vampire powers, and I also do not believe they could keep moving fast enough so that they would only have to fight Red at that time...

Unless we are using a Wolverine with a weakened healing factor and the city is so unpopulated that Red will be unable to find a victim if the fight lasts 24 hours, I do not see the spiders winning this one.

Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus

Hmmmmm...I think Wolvie and Omega has this...

Posted by Autopsad

I don't see Spidey-Ock and Hobgoblin work as a team neither (did you read Superior Spider-man these last months ?).

I assume Spidey-Ock could keep Red busy by blocking Red's tentacles with his own,

Wolvie would then kick the hell out of Hobgoblin and get done with Spidey-Ock.

Then the battle between Wolvie & Red would follow.

So... Wolvie and Red for the win.

Posted by Kerrigan

I'll admit my first reaction was, huh? But this could be fairly awesome. Need to brush up on Omega Red.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@autopsad said:

I don't see Spidey-Ock and Hobgoblin work as a team neither (did you read Superior Spider-man these last months ?).

I assume Spidey-Ock could keep Red busy by blocking Red's tentacles with his own,

Wolvie would then kick the hell out of Hobgoblin and get done with Spidey-Ock.

Then the battle between Wolvie & Red would follow.

So... Wolvie and Red for the win.

Nowhere is it implied in the article that they would? In fact, the opposite was stated. Or was that directed at someone's post?

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Posted by vortex1212

As bandwagon as this may sound, I'm throwing in my vote for Wolverine and Omega Red. Not only do their powers make them much harder to take down, they both have the combat experience to at the VERY LEAST go toe to toe with Ock (carrying a full arsenal of spidey/octo gear) and get through Hobgoblins bomb barrage and lunatic laugh if not tear their way through them like a hot knife through butter. Another advantage they have is that they won't go in completely half-cocked against their opponents, vastly underestimating them or overestimating their own abilities. Ock has his ego putting him at risk not to mention the fact that he has far less combat experience in Peters body. The muscle memory may be there but the tactics aren't. Hobgoblin not only has an ego attached to him, his temper is going to get him slaughtered early on. If this were Roderick Kingsly it would be a whole different match since Kingsly could use his head and is a proficient close quarters fighter as well as a ranged fighter. Urich is neither and doesn't have a good history of being level headed in a combat zone. But overall, despite Ock and Urich putting up a potentially good fight, Wolverine and Omega Red will come out on top.

Posted by bethetroubleyouwanttosee

SpOck, and only SpOck. Why? While Goblin has his powers and the capability of flight Red himself has Death Spores, "The death spores result in the weakness or death of humans in his immediate vicinity. The severity of the effect is based on the endurance, health, and relative proximity of the victims. The spores are fatal to ordinary humans within seconds, though some superhumanly powered beings can withstand exposure to them for extended periods of time" (thanks Wiki) while his other powers include "superhuman strength, speed, stamina, durability, agility, and reflexes" (Wiki). This alone leaves Ol' Goblin out of commission. The next thing is SpOck. Smart and lethal. SpOck will be able to use the brute force of both characters, Red and Wolverine, against them not and not going toe to toe "all out brawl" with the two of them. SpOck has his Spider eyes and he could care less if Goblin dies, it is really just one less thing for him to do himself.

Again-SpOck for the win Folks!

Posted by _Genesis_

I agree with (bethetroubleyouwanttosee)

Posted by PabloGdeAnda

People keep forgetting Wolverine isn't just a tough guy with a healing factor and claws.
Did you read the Wolvie goes to hell arc? He's much faster than the best ninja from the Hand, has extensive training in multiple martial arts and tactics, and if we are going to play the experience card, he was freaking born in the 1800's.
Also, "Hobby kicks his ass because he can fly"... go read Fantastic Four 559, where a much older Logan (Old Man Logan) takes down the Human Torch mid-flight while his teammates (power houses) couldn't.
That said, Omega Red is one of the toughest fights Wolverine has ever had, and Superior Spider-Man lacks the true best advantage PETER had, he never gives up (which is admitted by Ock).

Wolvie and Omega Red take this, not easily, but surely.

Edited by ComicStooge

Why is Hobgoblin being used here? Is her superior to his green counterpart?

Posted by TheAmazingImmortalMan

I say OR and Wolvie take majority, the death coils and wolvies hf along with Adamantium skeleton would give this team 6-7/10.

Edited by sasquatch888

@k4tzm4n said:

@sasquatch888: There's no reason to make debating personal. Stop insulting people just because you disagree with them. If anything, opening with insults only hurts the validity of your post. Just stick to the facts when making your point, dude.

sorry you're right i get carried away sometimes ,,,but when i see people claiming that the hew hobgoblin could defeat wolverine easily like that it drove me bonkers .. ill try to calm down in the future ..but if i was at midtown comics Wednesday arguing with people about this and i said " What drugs are you on dude " or "stop smoking meth dude you're crazy " meaning are "you crazy you must be on drugs to think hobgoblin could beat logan easily or otherwise" ...it wouldn't be taken seriously ,,,on here though it looks a lot worse.. i see that now ,,,apologies if i insulted anyone i didn't mean to i just get passionate. the drug references weren't literal accusations sorry @macktor

Posted by Doombert

I'd personlly just like to see Superior Spider-Man vs Omega Red. Leave Logan and Hobgoblin at the door.

I wont make a decision because I dont know enough about the new Hobgoblin, it better be damn impressive if he could be equally matched agains Omega Red (who I think gets lowballed on the battle forums from time to time).

Edited by Dane

Omega Red solos.

Posted by Night Thrasher
Posted by Juiceboks

@dane said:

Omega Red solos.

Indeed. Many people don't realize how much of a powerhouse he is.

Posted by The_Titan_Lord

@dane said:

Omega Red solos.

Edited by HellionVulcan