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Comic Vine Battle of the Week Results: Venom/Scarlet Spider vs. Luke Cage/Iron Fist

Team Spider goes face-to-face with the Heroes for Hire. Who's left standing? The Comic Vine community has voted and the winner is...

Can raw power overcome skill and teamwork? According to the Comic Vine community: yes, it most certainly can! This week, the anti-heroes of the Spider-Man family took a respectable lead over the Heroes for Hire, earning 58% of the votes. Iron Fist and Luke Cage didn't go down without a fight, though! The badass duo took 38% of the poll and 4% thought this fight was just too close to call.

After a week of thinking it over, I find myself in agreement with the majority. Danny's a massive wildcard thanks to his more than impressive level of skill and formidable chi abilities -- there's simply no denying he could make either struggle big time. However, seeing as everyone is in character and this is a random encounter, I don't view him pulling a swift victory over either -- and that's assuming he'd win at all, of course. I think the sheer physical nature and brutality of his enemies is a factor which is more likely to come into play right away and one clean connect from either has the ability to serve as a game changer (in control, Venom knocked out Captain America with a single strike and Kaine is stronger than Spider-Man, after all).

While Cage is absurdly durable and a ridiculously tough fellow, I do ultimately view him as the weak link in this battle. Sure, he could give either a difficult time thanks to his ability to soak blunt-force trauma quite well and he definitely has commendable strength, but in the end, I can see Flash or Kaine taking him due to their speed edge and they fact they do indeed have the strength required to faze him. If all else fails, both have the means to temporarily incapacitate him as well. Cage has the strength to eventually break free, but every little factor counts.

Yes, the Heroes for Hire will give them all kinds of trouble and their teamwork could increase their odds the longer the fight progresses. Furthermore, the longer the fight continues, the more probable it is for Danny to utilize some of his more devastating chi attacks. However, I view the combination of Flash and Venom's speed, strength and aggressive minds to be the biggest factors here (not to mention Venom's own exceptional durability to standard strikes).

Even though the outcome is apparently clear to many out there, this is absolutely a fight which would be a real blast to watch. Sadly, it appears Flash wins this battle, but not the war. Yesterday, writer Cullen Bunn announced VENOM will conclude with #42. We share your pain, Viners. At any rate, let's move on and see some additional arguments for this one.

Viner Argument of the Week in favor of Venom/Scarlet Spider is by Deranged Midget

"Initially, I'd state that this is a relatively easy win for the Spiders. Taking a second glance, I'd still side with the Spiders but the Heroes for Hire are potentially going to pose more of a problem than some might first believe.

First off, it's evidently clear that the Spiders have a moderately larger physical advantage over Danny and Luke in almost every category. While Luke may still possess the highest degree of strength to a certain point, it will only help him so much considering he's severely lacking in speed and versatility. As seen recently, Kaine is a significant degree stronger than Peter Parker/Ock is as he managed to deck Superior Spider-Man in a single hit and genuinely surprise the Jackal himself, a foe almost entirely knowledgeable on Peter's genetics and capabilities.

Venom(Flash) has been shown to be even stronger than Kaine and even over-powered him, thrusting fear into Kaine's eyes for the first time in his life as he "Vulked out" and nearly killed him as he lost control of the symbiote. Add on to the fact that both Kaine and Venom could easily be described to be in Luke's strength range (or even greater) takes away any initial physical advantage that he may have had, resting his only saving grace to be his "invulnerability".

On the other hand, Danny is considered to be one of the greatest martial artists in the Marvel Universe and the coupling of his Iron Fist makes him a threat to be reckoned with, even to the Spiders. Now to why I believe the Heroes for Hire may pose a greater threat than first appearances may give. Their camaraderie and experience working together is nearly second to none in the Marvel Universe. Working off of each other's strengths and weaknesses only makes them the ever more troublesome and that's the most notable advantage they carry over the Spiders.

As seen previously, Kaine doesn't work well with anyone really and Flash absolutely wasn't an exception. He's a boyscout, praising Spider-Man at any given moment as his inspiration which disappoints Kaine even further as he presents his disgust for his "brother". Flash is known to work in a team environment and adapts well in those situations. Kaine on the other hand, is largely reluctant to do so and even when he does, he continues on selfishly with absolute disregard of his teammate.

In that sense, the Spiders are at a massive disadvantage but due to their physical superiority and greater variety and capabilities with their powers, I'd still edge out their victory."

Corey Schroeder, Comic Vine Staff Writer

"The Heroes for Hire against the ultimate Spider Rivals? Now that's a surprising result! One might think it's pretty clear-cut, the Spider and Venom have a ruthless streak and military training, but there's something to be said for mysticism and invulnerability. And while Flash may be trained as a soldier, he hasn't really received any formal training with the symbiote. Of course Cage isn't actually "Mr. Regimen" himself, but indestructible skin means neither Kaine's claws nor Venom's slashing/guns will do much.

I see it playing out with neither team having any time for subtlety. Yeah, Flash has shown to go covert ops sometimes, but they both see each other and there's no time for that! Iron Fist and Power Man don't even need to say it: Cage takes point, going for Venom, Danny hangs back and tangles with Kaine. Problem is: Danny underestimates the more ruthless, vicious Spider and takes a poison shot to the neck, which puts him quickly out of commission. Now it's Luke in a handicap match, and while neither Scarlet Spider's poison nor Vemon's symbiote slashing does much, both of them have plenty of pummeling power punches and kicks. Too bad they forgot Danny's a master of the Iron Fist and Shou Lou, which includes a lovely meditation for purging poisons from the body. Rand's eyes shoot open and he's on his feet, lunging forward while charging the move that gave him his name. Kaine realizes something's gone wrong and turns, only to take the Iron Fist straight across his jaw, knocking him into next week.

Now the odds are just as bad, but in the other direction and, as good as Venom is and as careful as Danny has to play it, Luke has next to nothing to fear from Venom's repertoire as long as his buddy's got his back. Too many hits eventually knocks out Flash so the two teams can work out exactly HOW this misunderstanding took place, maybe even uniting against a common foe?"

Lastly, feast your eyes on a tease for next week's battle. Here's a big hint: they're comic book characters. Remember to check the homepage on Monday to see who they are!

LET THE GUESSING GAMES BEGIN!

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Edited by murderpool

Couple things people may have mentioned but I didn't see is that the symbiote could also attack cage from the inside. Entering through his body's mouth ears and eyes as well as other less mentionable orifices and incapacitating, killing or as flash has demonstrated (possibly due to the friggin demon he has inside him....I mean hellooooo?) mind control him into attacking fist making this a three on one fight. I would think Danny's mental training could resist the invasive mind control of venom (I need references) he is still susceptible to internal damage.

Kaine and Flash tank this with venom being the MVP

Posted by Lvenger

This was a well debated match up and I agree with the outcome. So one of next week's combatants is Cardiac and the other one looks like a Goblin. Interesting.

Posted by Crimsonlord53

Is the right hand image hellboy?

Posted by Mezmero

I voted for team Heroes For Hire even though I knew logically that the Spider team had all the key advantages. Perhaps I was just being petty with my vote. I think what this battle has shown me is that Marvel makes all their Spider characters so freaking powerful. C'mon, these are spiders we're talking about. As a human I squish spiders on a weekly basis. They're not as great as the super heroes make them look. I give Peter Parker a pass because he's OG but the rest of them are a bit much to buy as powerhouses. I guess radioactive spiders are truly the most dangerous game. Looking forward to what's next in the weekly battle.

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Edited by Strider92

@mezmero: And yet if a Spider was the same size as you it would be immensely stronger and single strand of its webbing could hold a jumbo jet. Proportionately spider's dominate us in every aspect just be lucky they are so small lol.

Posted by Lvenger

@strider92: It's ants I'd be worried about too. They're proportionately stronger than us too. And fleas as well. A human flea would be a tank :P

Posted by Strider92

@lvenger: Very true. I was just going with spiders as that was the invertebrate in question. You've also got those beetles that can get stomped on by humans and not have a scratch on them. Imagine if those things were human sized? Dafuq?

Posted by Lvenger

@strider92: Dude, it's cockroaches that are the really durable bosses. Those insects can withstand everything. And they scare the crap out of my mum :P

Edited by The_Titan_Lord

Nice.

Posted by Mezmero

@strider92: If they were man sized sure, but nature has deemed them to be crushed by human progression forever. Even if they were our size we'd find a way to beat them. We humans are the Batman of the animal kingdom.

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Edited by k4tzm4n

Is the right hand image hellboy?

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis it?

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Edited by VeganDiet

Cardiac is certainly awesome, but I feel his lack of appearances would be a serious hindrance in debating against most of the Goblins.

Edit- If that is, indeed, a Goblin in the righter picture.

Posted by asIsuspected

"Add on to the fact that both Kaine and Venom could easily be described to be in Luke's strength range (or even greater)" - this is a joke right!???

Posted by Pokergeist

@mezmero: And yet if a Spider was the same size as you it would be immensely stronger and single strand of its webbing could hold a jumbo jet. Proportionately spider's dominate us in every aspect just be lucky they are so small lol.

True Story Bro!

Posted by Battle_Forum_Junkie

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Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus

Sounds about right to me. Great match-up results!

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Edited by Meticulous

Voted for team Hire... Surprised and a little disappointed in the outcome. I guess not enough people actually read the comics. Solid team work almost always trumps, a slim miss-match issue. Cain is immune to any of lethal damage that they can muster up, leaving him only susceptible to bashing damage in this encounter. And I believe that Danny is being highly underrated in this encounter as well.

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Edited by BloodyNights

@meticulous: I don't really think anyone is underestimating Iron Fist, from what I've read from almost all the comments, and from previous knowledge, Danny is the only one giving The Heroes for Hire a chance. Just given the context of the fight, it would in my personal opinion be fairly difficult for team work to even play much of a factor. Both teams would more than likely pick one member of the team to fight, and given how brutal both Venom, and Scarlet can be, trying to coordinate attacks, or put any emphasis on team, with their stats as high as they are, would more than likely only Hinder them.

Either way I think this match would be fun to see played out.

Posted by GrandSymbiote94

@k4tzm4n: The second pic is Hobgoblin, the original I'm assuming.

Posted by CyberWarrior

Yup. A clean victoty!

Posted by Juggy313

Luke Cage just fought Proxima Midnight to a stand still... This lady took out Hulk, Hyperion, and Monica Rambeau... Cage solos this match easily..