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Comic Vine Battle of the Week Results: Venom/Scarlet Spider vs. Luke Cage/Iron Fist

Team Spider goes face-to-face with the Heroes for Hire. Who's left standing? The Comic Vine community has voted and the winner is...

Can raw power overcome skill and teamwork? According to the Comic Vine community: yes, it most certainly can! This week, the anti-heroes of the Spider-Man family took a respectable lead over the Heroes for Hire, earning 58% of the votes. Iron Fist and Luke Cage didn't go down without a fight, though! The badass duo took 38% of the poll and 4% thought this fight was just too close to call.

After a week of thinking it over, I find myself in agreement with the majority. Danny's a massive wildcard thanks to his more than impressive level of skill and formidable chi abilities -- there's simply no denying he could make either struggle big time. However, seeing as everyone is in character and this is a random encounter, I don't view him pulling a swift victory over either -- and that's assuming he'd win at all, of course. I think the sheer physical nature and brutality of his enemies is a factor which is more likely to come into play right away and one clean connect from either has the ability to serve as a game changer (in control, Venom knocked out Captain America with a single strike and Kaine is stronger than Spider-Man, after all).

While Cage is absurdly durable and a ridiculously tough fellow, I do ultimately view him as the weak link in this battle. Sure, he could give either a difficult time thanks to his ability to soak blunt-force trauma quite well and he definitely has commendable strength, but in the end, I can see Flash or Kaine taking him due to their speed edge and they fact they do indeed have the strength required to faze him. If all else fails, both have the means to temporarily incapacitate him as well. Cage has the strength to eventually break free, but every little factor counts.

Yes, the Heroes for Hire will give them all kinds of trouble and their teamwork could increase their odds the longer the fight progresses. Furthermore, the longer the fight continues, the more probable it is for Danny to utilize some of his more devastating chi attacks. However, I view the combination of Flash and Venom's speed, strength and aggressive minds to be the biggest factors here (not to mention Venom's own exceptional durability to standard strikes).

Even though the outcome is apparently clear to many out there, this is absolutely a fight which would be a real blast to watch. Sadly, it appears Flash wins this battle, but not the war. Yesterday, writer Cullen Bunn announced VENOM will conclude with #42. We share your pain, Viners. At any rate, let's move on and see some additional arguments for this one.

Viner Argument of the Week in favor of Venom/Scarlet Spider is by Deranged Midget

"Initially, I'd state that this is a relatively easy win for the Spiders. Taking a second glance, I'd still side with the Spiders but the Heroes for Hire are potentially going to pose more of a problem than some might first believe.

First off, it's evidently clear that the Spiders have a moderately larger physical advantage over Danny and Luke in almost every category. While Luke may still possess the highest degree of strength to a certain point, it will only help him so much considering he's severely lacking in speed and versatility. As seen recently, Kaine is a significant degree stronger than Peter Parker/Ock is as he managed to deck Superior Spider-Man in a single hit and genuinely surprise the Jackal himself, a foe almost entirely knowledgeable on Peter's genetics and capabilities.

Venom(Flash) has been shown to be even stronger than Kaine and even over-powered him, thrusting fear into Kaine's eyes for the first time in his life as he "Vulked out" and nearly killed him as he lost control of the symbiote. Add on to the fact that both Kaine and Venom could easily be described to be in Luke's strength range (or even greater) takes away any initial physical advantage that he may have had, resting his only saving grace to be his "invulnerability".

On the other hand, Danny is considered to be one of the greatest martial artists in the Marvel Universe and the coupling of his Iron Fist makes him a threat to be reckoned with, even to the Spiders. Now to why I believe the Heroes for Hire may pose a greater threat than first appearances may give. Their camaraderie and experience working together is nearly second to none in the Marvel Universe. Working off of each other's strengths and weaknesses only makes them the ever more troublesome and that's the most notable advantage they carry over the Spiders.

As seen previously, Kaine doesn't work well with anyone really and Flash absolutely wasn't an exception. He's a boyscout, praising Spider-Man at any given moment as his inspiration which disappoints Kaine even further as he presents his disgust for his "brother". Flash is known to work in a team environment and adapts well in those situations. Kaine on the other hand, is largely reluctant to do so and even when he does, he continues on selfishly with absolute disregard of his teammate.

In that sense, the Spiders are at a massive disadvantage but due to their physical superiority and greater variety and capabilities with their powers, I'd still edge out their victory."

Corey Schroeder, Comic Vine Staff Writer

"The Heroes for Hire against the ultimate Spider Rivals? Now that's a surprising result! One might think it's pretty clear-cut, the Spider and Venom have a ruthless streak and military training, but there's something to be said for mysticism and invulnerability. And while Flash may be trained as a soldier, he hasn't really received any formal training with the symbiote. Of course Cage isn't actually "Mr. Regimen" himself, but indestructible skin means neither Kaine's claws nor Venom's slashing/guns will do much.

I see it playing out with neither team having any time for subtlety. Yeah, Flash has shown to go covert ops sometimes, but they both see each other and there's no time for that! Iron Fist and Power Man don't even need to say it: Cage takes point, going for Venom, Danny hangs back and tangles with Kaine. Problem is: Danny underestimates the more ruthless, vicious Spider and takes a poison shot to the neck, which puts him quickly out of commission. Now it's Luke in a handicap match, and while neither Scarlet Spider's poison nor Vemon's symbiote slashing does much, both of them have plenty of pummeling power punches and kicks. Too bad they forgot Danny's a master of the Iron Fist and Shou Lou, which includes a lovely meditation for purging poisons from the body. Rand's eyes shoot open and he's on his feet, lunging forward while charging the move that gave him his name. Kaine realizes something's gone wrong and turns, only to take the Iron Fist straight across his jaw, knocking him into next week.

Now the odds are just as bad, but in the other direction and, as good as Venom is and as careful as Danny has to play it, Luke has next to nothing to fear from Venom's repertoire as long as his buddy's got his back. Too many hits eventually knocks out Flash so the two teams can work out exactly HOW this misunderstanding took place, maybe even uniting against a common foe?"

Lastly, feast your eyes on a tease for next week's battle. Here's a big hint: they're comic book characters. Remember to check the homepage on Monday to see who they are!

LET THE GUESSING GAMES BEGIN!

Previous 'Comic Vine Battle of the Week' results

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Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf

I'm still surprised people voted for Venom and Scarlet Spider.

Posted by flazam

Great one

first

Posted by batmannflash

Voted for Venom and Kaine.

Can't tell what the next battle matchup is...

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

I don't agree with this at all

Posted by EvilPenguin543

I voted for the Spiders, but I'm surprised more didn't vote for Luke and Danny.

Edited by Wolverine08

Looks like Deathstroke and somebody else for next week IMO.

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Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen

Voted for Luke & Danny and was incredibly upset to see they scored so poorly in this matchup.

Oh well :/

Edited by wbr17

Viners under look teamwork in battles.

Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

It was the right outcome. Cage was the weak link. Team Spidey was too much and too versatile for the H4H.

Posted by Visemoon
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Posted by evilvegeta74
Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

Danny can solo dragons yet can't beat to Spider-Men?

Posted by dondave

It was the right outcome. Cage was the weak link. Team Spidey was too much and too versatile for the H4H.

Edited by sasquatch888

Venom and Scarlet Spider are not spidey people ...spidey would destroy team spider ....and luke and ironfist would destroy team spider too...this is wrong dopplegangers are not the original spider-man

team spider.....see the difference lol.

Posted by GraniteSoldier

Flash and Kaine deserve this win. I'm surprised at the sheer volume of votes for their side, to be honest, but in a tough battle it is the right outcome. Good matchup.

I have no idea who next week is.

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Posted by cameron83

I think that I disagree with this a bit. Mainly for the Iron Fist part. I think that Iron Fist definitely can take down Venom and SS,especially since physical factors haven't really been issues for him in the past. I agree that Cage is a weak link and such,but still...I think that Iron Fist can at least take down Kaine and maybe even Venom (perhaps 7/10 for Kaine and 6/10 for Venom,or probably a bit better).

I hope I don't sound like I am underestimating anyone,but I don't really see Kaine or Venom coming out victorious fighting Iron Fist.

I mean,I think Iron Fist>>> Kaine

Iron Fist >>Venom

But just me....

Posted by Cara_Hunter

awwww

I thought team would win :(

Posted by Strider92

@cameron83: I agree Iron Fist could probably take Venom due to the fact that Venom doesn't have any really good speed feats and taking a hit from the iron fist would most likely cause Venom a ton of trouble. However Kaine is a different matter. Iron Fist was only able to keep up with Spider-man due to a chi amp and even then it was only enough to keep up with Peter not surpass him or make him Spider-man's equal in physical speed. Kaine on the other hand is faster than Spider-man. Superior Spider-man went all out on Kaine and as soon as Kaine stopped holding back he beat him down quite convincingly.

Iron Fist has taken on a Spider-man who is not as fast or a ruthless as Kaine and didn't win the fight. Against someone who almost stomped Spider-man by being physically superior in nearly every aspect. I don't see Iron Fist taking a majority.

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@cameron83: I agree Iron Fist could probably take Venom due to the fact that Venom doesn't have any really good speed feats and taking a hit from the iron fist would most likely cause Venom a ton of trouble. However Kaine is a different matter. Iron Fist was only able to keep up with Spider-man due to a chi amp and even then it was only enough to keep up with Peter not surpass him or make him Spider-man's equal in physical speed. Kaine on the other hand is faster than Spider-man. Superior Spider-man went all out on Kaine and as soon as Kaine stopped holding back he beat him down quite convincingly.

Iron Fist has taken on a Spider-man who is not as fast or a ruthless as Kaine and didn't win the fight. Against someone who almost stomped Spider-man by being physically superior in nearly every aspect. I don't see Iron Fist taking a majority.

Hm. Good point.

But I think he can hold his own for a good while,but after reading that,then I agree.

Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen

I feel like a lot of people just disregarded Luke Cage in this fight and made it Iron Fist vs Kaine & Venom.

Posted by M3th

This is a good 4$$ guessing game.

Posted by Immortal777

It went the way it should have the stat superiority that the Spider team has is just too much to overcome.

Posted by nigravirum1

Does anyone know who those pictures for next week are???

Posted by Pokergeist

NO ONE HAS ANY PICS OF THE NEXT MATCH YET AAAARGGGHHH!

I also think Team Spider was the clear winner IMO.

Posted by bladewolf

Hm...next week I think the one on the right may be Megatron, which if so I am PUMPED

Posted by sagejonathan

I think that I disagree with this a bit. Mainly for the Iron Fist part. I think that Iron Fist definitely can take down Venom and SS,especially since physical factors haven't really been issues for him in the past. I agree that Cage is a weak link and such,but still...I think that Iron Fist can at least take down Kaine and maybe even Venom (perhaps 7/10 for Kaine and 6/10 for Venom,or probably a bit better).

I hope I don't sound like I am underestimating anyone,but I don't really see Kaine or Venom coming out victorious fighting Iron Fist.

I mean,I think Iron Fist>>> Kaine

Iron Fist >>Venom

But just me....

I agree with you. I felt that Iron Fist is far more skilled and that really makes the difference since their power levels aren't so drastically different. Just adding Luke Cage on top of that secures the win, imo.

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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by DecoyElite

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE LET AN OWL INTO THE THREAD!

Posted by jashro44

Danny can solo dragons yet can't beat to Spider-Men?

All though I agree heroes for hire were underestimated (despite the fact I voted for the spiders), a dragon is a very different fight then spider-man is.

Edited by SoA

two angry spider-men vs heroes for hire , knew the outcome just didnt know by that much

Posted by Xeno_Seeker

image on the left almost looks like a dbz character charging up an energy wave or something. the way the light and rocks look idk,

Edited by Dabee

58%, 39%, and 4%... 101%?!

My mind

Posted by Supreme_Maj

Peter was more of a threat for Iron Fist because of his spider sens and speed which help him to dodge attacks by Danny remove it and it will be something else for him he will get stomp by Danny and kaine doesn't have a spider sens so fast or not he will be beaten by fist who can hit you anyway any time we are talking about somebody who almost beat the crap out of Namor and Shiang tang the dragon.

Edited by k4tzm4n

Usually the images are accurately picked by now :P

Edited by ThorBoy

CARDIAC!!!!!! The first picture is of cardiac!!!

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Eat your heart out k4tzm4n!

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@thorboy said:

CARDIAC!!!!!! The first picture is of cardiac!!!

O RLY?

Posted by robertloucksjr

Is that 2nd picture Taskmaster?

Posted by Mellow_Hype

Luke Cage got robbed but at least he kept all his jury.

Posted by Life_Without_Progress

@k4tzm4n: I'm pretty sure someone would find out sooner or later

Posted by arsyn

Battle of the Week Suggestions:

  • Ravager (Pre-Flashpoint Rose Wilson of DC) vs. Domino (Marvel). I think it'd be interesting debate between two bad ass merc ladies with an edge (precognition vs. probability).
  • Wonder Woman vs. anyone (maybe Carol Danvers Captain Marvel).
  • Doctor Fate vs. Doctor Strange

Posted by ravisher

idk how they won

Posted by k4tzm4n
Posted by Strider92

At first I thought the one on the right was Urich as the Hobgoblin:

but the silhouette is a bit different. I think its a Goblin of some sort though due to the pointy hat. Whether its Urich, Harry, Kingsley, Macendale or Norman I have no idea but i'm willing to bet its a goblin!!!!

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@dabee said:

58%, 39%, and 4%... 101%?!

My mind

it is 38%

Posted by CF12793

I like the Heroes for Hire, but Kaine and Venom have too many advantages for them to win. For instance, Kaine and Venom both have pretty awesome healing factors, while Cage only has a minor healing factor and Fist sorta kinda has one. I think that Iron Fist COULD knock out either of them, but he'd have to move quickly, because Kaine usually fights morals off and they both have the same precog and speed/reflexes as Spider-Man. Venom and Kaine are both just as strong as Luke, and while it'd probably take a while for them to get a KO, if one of them could take care of Danny quickly then they could tag team Luke for the rest of the fight.

Posted by Dabee

@superiorspidey1962: It was 39. Not really a big deal, I just like using the mushroom cloud whenever I can.

Edited by BubbaDuke

First one is cardiac

Edited by Jaydarocknrolla

erroneous! Luke Cage solos. nothing they can do could hurt Luke Cage he's invulnerable. and way stronger than both of them. he's at least thing/colossus level. iron fist gets shot to deayh by agent venom...

Edited by robertloucksjr

@jaydarocknrolla said:

erroneous! Luke Cage solos. nothing they can do could hurt Luke Cage he's invulnerable. and way stronger than both of them. he's at least thing/colossus level. iron fist gets shot to deayh by agent venom...

Luke Cage is supposedly a 25 tonner, though his durability seems much higher. 40 ton Wrecker stomped him and most of the then underpowered Avengers team (Spider-Woman and some others) until Spider-Woman pheromoned him.

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