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Comic Vine Battle of the Week Results: Snake Eyes vs. X-23

Can G.I. Joe's most formidable ninja overcome adamantium claws and a healing factor? Come find out what the CV community, CV staff and a few from the industry have to say about this fight!

Claws, blades, bullets and grenades... no matter who's left standing, this is sure to be a bloodbath. This week, we placed the fan favorite ninja from G.I. Joe against the incredibly deadly X-23. As always, the community had five days to present an argument, read the debate and then cast a hopefully educated vote. Well, the results are in and it's large percentage of Comic Viners were in agreement. X-23 took a whopping 65% of the votes. Meanwhile, 31% voted for Snake Eyes and only 4% thought it was too close to call.

It's clear the community valued power over technique in this case. While Snake Eyes is indeed more talented than X-23 (not to discredit her own abilities, X-23 is quite skilled as well), her healing factor is a massive factor. She's kept fighting after a bullet to the head, remained conscious after a large explosion and has kept her head in the game while enduring numerous other kinds of attacks. It's reasonable to think Snake Eyes could land the first volley of hits, but it's totally logical to believe X-23 could take them and eventually dish out attacks of her own, too. And if those adamantium claws do indeed connect, it's sure to spell trouble for Snake Eyes. Additionally, her foot claw could serve as a rather big wild card and very unfortunate surprise for her enemy if used properly.

While I think that's a fairly accurate review of how the popular vote views this one, I'd give a veeeeeeeeeeery small edge of Snake Eyes. I believe his skill combined with his very impressive reflexes and speed would allow him to overcome Laura's healing factor and incapacitate her. It wouldn't be easy by any measure, but I think it could happen in due time. Regardless, I'm clearly part of the minority in this one! Let's see what everyone else has to say.

Viner Argument of the Week for X-23 is by TheAcidSkull

"This is a very close call, and if it weren't or some seriously important factors, I might have even chosen snake eyes, but in the end, I’ll give x-23 a slight edge.

Both of them are very skilled, and when I say very I do mean VERY. In terms of speed, I think snake eyes Is a bit faster than Laura, which will give snake eyes a slight advantage, and even that is debatable, but ultimately, it will be futile . See Laura is not only skilled, but she is also a living weapon, everything about her leads towards a killing machine, she has all the qualities of snake eyes( maybe some not as good), and an insane healing factor to go along with all of it.

And that’s where the line is drawn, while this fight will last for a LONG time, Laura won’t get tired, her healing factor will keep her going, and so will her pain tolerance. It might not seem much but this is an important factor that will ensure Laura’s victory. Keep in Mind that she has commented on wolverine healing factor, saying that he “Heals to Slow”. And while I think snake eyes is more experienced, Laura has fought many skilled people, wolverine being one (He did however hold back), Daken was another example, He even comments on her amazing skills, saying that she is indeed a superb assassin.

Also Snake eyes won’t be able to put her down, not only because of her healing factor, but also because she is very tolerant to pain, to the point where she rarely even notice’s it. She had her arm cut clean off with chainsaw and x-23 barely batted an eye, and then there was the incident with the bomb, where her skin was burnt off and she was still standing along with Daken.

She’s not sloppy with strategy either, she managed to observe lady deathstrikes and flat out own her, while pretending to be beaten during the battle.

Like I said, snake eyes is going to be a real pain, but in the end, while the battle of course will be glorious , x-23’s healing factor and amazing skills will earn her a definite win."

Robert Atkins, SNAKE EYES artist

"The established perimeters of the fight already play against Snake Eyes' strengths a bit. If they are in visual contact to begin with that makes it harder for Snake Eyes to utilize his stealth ninja training. Even with X-23's enhanced senses, I think Snake Eyes would be able to mask his scent enough to get the drop on her. As it stands, a full head to head battle, I think Snake Eyes draws the first blood. At 50 paces, while ninja trained, he is a commando and will use guns and grenades for distance weapons. He's as skilled at this as he is with a blade. So before the hand to hand fight starts, you have to realize X-23 is already riddled with bullets from Snake Eyes' UZI and possibly shrapnel from well placed grenades."

To give X-23 credit, she is incredibly tough and willing to fight through the pain as her body begins to heal rapidly. If Snake Eyes knows about her healing factor ahead of time, he'll know to keep going at her and inflicting as many wounds as possible to reduce her healing factor or negate it completely. We've

seen many times where Wolverine's healing is so taxed he can be defeated and unconscious. Remember this isn't necessarily a fight to the death. Incapacitation counts as a loss as well. I'm sure I'm more than a little biased, but Snake Eyes' training and fighting ability is unprecedented in the GI Joe universe. How that crosses over to he Marvel, he is on par with Shang Chi, Iron Fist, or DC Universe's Lady Shiva. So if you're comparing hand to hand abilities, Snake Eyes is more trained and experienced than X-23.

What X-23 has in her favor is the adamantium claws and healing factor. The longer this fight takes, the more it's in X-23's favor. But I think with the opening salvo of bullets and grenades to throw her off, and Snake Eyes' superior fighting ability and speed he would be able to incapacitate X-23 enough to with the initial battle. How quickly X-23 recovers is a determining factor for winning a fight to the death."

 

Marjorie Liu, X-23 writer

"Let's face it, my friends...X-23 is a superb warrior, a born killer, with a healing factor that can resurrect her, no matter the injury. Hand-to-hand, it would be a stalemate -- but what would tip the scales in her favor? What she lacks in finesse (which I'll give to Snake Eyes) she gains in sheer, awesome, raw, stubbornness. This is a girl who will NEVER give up, not when she's decided to finish (and win) a fight. She'll crawl to the ends of the earth -- right through hell -- to finish what she started, and that determination is something that Snake Eyes can't battle, no matter how many decades of experience he has. X-23 would eventually wear him out."

Arune Singh, Marvel's Director of Communications, Publishing & Digital Media

"I love Marvel and I love Wolverine—we’re both Canadian born after all—so I’m pre-disposed to love X-23. My wife used to cosplay as her. My dear friend Marjorie Liu wrote an incredible X-23 series.

But here’s the thing—Snake Eyes isn’t just the best at what he does…he’s the best, period.

X-23 can heal, she’s a killing machine, but Snake Eyes is a master ninja with decades of experience fighting everything from terrorists to Cthulu to even Transformers. He doesn’t have to heal because he won’t get touched. And if that fails, he has Timber as his secret weapon.”

Images taken from http://robertatkins.deviantart.com/

Corey 'Undeadpool' Schroeder, Comic Vine Staffer

"I can't imagine a scenario that Snake-Eyes takes this one. The two of them are evenly matched in terms of their stealth capabilities, with the difference being that with Laura's heightened senses, Snake-Eyes is going to have a hard time catching her flat-footed. Her weapons also have the advantage of being impossible to separate her from, while Snake-Eyes can be disarmed or even have them broken. Sure, he's got guns and kunai, but unless those are going to kill or incapacitate quickly (they're not), X-23's healing factor takes care of them. Plus, unless her trigger scent is somewhere nearby, Laura actually has a keen tactical mind. Remember that when she first fought Wolverine, she was actually able to take him down by outsmarting him rather than outfighting him. X-23 wins handily whether they're sparring or playing for keeps."

Mat 'Inferiorego' Elfring, Comic Vine Staffer

"Let's see... an over-rated ninja versus female Wolverine. While Snake Eyes is without a doubt a cooler character with a much more interesting back story, X-23's powers may put her over the top. When I say "may" I mean it truly puts her over the top. Sure, she doesn't have that adamantium skeleton that her genetic father does, but her healing factor is strong. While it's true that Snake Eyes has had more training than X-23, X-23's powers are what give her a big edge. This isn't a curbstomp, by any means, but X-23 gets a big edge here. GIRL POWER! If only someone would photoshop X-23 with the Spice Girls, it would truly slam this point home. Girl power>Ninjas."

Sara 'Babs' Lima, Comic Vine Staffer

"SNAKE EYES!"

And finally, here's a tease for next week's battle! Be sure to check the homepage on Monday to see who they are!

Previous 'Comic Vine Battle of the Week' results

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Edited by DJ1107

@jamdamage: Oh Jamdamage haven't you learned that outside of Daredevil everyone blindly hates Bendis's work?

Posted by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow

Snake eyes

Edited by TheAcidSkull

@halovsmarvel said:

People should be ashamed of themselves for voting for X-23 without doing some background checking before voting. Snake Eyes should win. Its not a matter of opinion. IT'S FACT!!!!!

it's an opinion, and the FACT is that x-23 would win. you should do some research too.

Posted by lykopis

@theacidskull:

Congratulations on being chosen for the best argument for X-23.

I have no idea why people are continuing to weigh in on this. X-23 won. What I really love is how we had some really cool commentary from Liu and others! How awesome is that?

InferiorEgo continues to speak truth.

I look forward to keeping tabs on next week's match-up!

Posted by TheAcidSkull

@lykopis said:

@theacidskull:

Congratulations on being chosen for the best argument for X-23.

I have no idea why people are continuing to weigh in on this. X-23 won. What I really love is how we had some really cool commentary from Liu and others! How awesome is that?

InferiorEgo continues to speak truth.

I look forward to keeping tabs on next week's match-up!

Thanks :D, and i think this was the best battle so far, none of the previous battles had these much comments on it :P

Posted by LordRequiem

Nice and biased Atkins. I think the next is Red Hood and Moon Knight.

Edited by cborg

I find the comments calling this a popularity contest incredibly condescending. They presuppose anyone voting against Snake is either ignorant of him or votes against him despite knowing he'd win. Some of us are familiar with both. I voted for X23 because I felt the biggest issue would be the element of surprise. Snake is batmans equal in just about everything except experience with meta humans. While he has fought people with powers similar to superhumans he hasn't regularly fought average looking men who chew steel for fun or can kill you by staring at you. So he doesn't enter every fight assuming a baby will morph into a clay monster the size of a truck or that connecting a blow on a mild mannered mans cheek would do you more damage than them. X23s biggest asset as an assassin was her looks being deceiving. Some of the best fighters in MU underestimated her to their detriment. Cap let her walk past him after she publicly killed someone and she hit wolverine with 2 shots that woulda killed anyone else upon their first meeting. The fight rules hurt Snake, acting in character Snake would treat this threat as it looked, a young girl racing towards him. As usual he'd attack with the minimum level of force necessary to end the fight. Even with knives on her hands or speed showings he wouldn't expect the necessary level of damage he'd need to inflict to put her down even temporarily. She walks thru small arms like rain, and continues undeterred after missing limbs. He'd let her get too close or attack her too lightly and she'd get as close to a kill shot that she'd take a leg or arm or some other damage that would prevent snake from continuing at the level he'd need to to continue the fight. If the rules of the fight were dropped and Snake got a dossier explaining who and what she was, Snake would cake walk this fight, but this is a random encounter so he only takes 5 outta 10.

Posted by Oscars94

Either Moon Knight vs Red Hood. Or The Hood vs the Red Hood. LOL

Edited by New_World_Order

If it's Moon Knight vs Red Hood you can bet I'll be making a case for Moon Knight next week.

Posted by Havenless

X-23 vs Snakes Eyes is a mismatch. What can he do to her? She has adamantium so he can't cut anything off. She can heal through any wounds he gives. Her healing factor gives her limitless stamina. She could half-ass it, wait for him to get tired and still win.

Posted by Arkhamc1tizen

red hood v moon knight next week nice

Edited by Owie

Cool, glad to hear K4tz went with Snakes. I think some of the 65% might not have known that she didn't have Wolverine's adamantium skeleton, and weren't really considering Snake-Eye's more strategic options outside of a pure beat-em-up style battle. It would be a close fight regardless.

I think it's great that K4tz is getting all these writer and artists to chime in, it gives these battles of the week something extra beyond what these battles would normally have in the standard forum. I love Babs' response.

Red Hood vs Moon Knight should be a pretty solid battle, looking forward to it. I can see the fan-angst already though! Moon Knight has some hard-core partisans, as does the Bat family obviously.

Posted by JamDamage

@sasquatch888:

this one will be a clear case of popularity. guess who wins then??

Posted by JamDamage

@dj1107:

I saw what you did there with the blindly comment. Pretty good. I don't agree tho. The numbers of sales on the titles he writes shows that people like him, and the amount of books he writes shows that also. Plus he's getting great reviews on everything he's writing right now (cept for A.O.U. which is NOT good, but could be worse) No one picked up Moon Knight from the get go, and that's because I just don't think people like Moon Knight. Moon Knight got great reviews on every site when it was out. I know I didn't like the character before I read Bendis on it. To bad too. It was one of favorite picks every month when it was out. It was pretty damn fresh and original. I doubt you have extra money to pick up the trades so I won't even bother with telling you to get it, but I will tell you get it because it's that good. If you liked his DD with Maleev then it's a no brainer. Then again, comics are expensive and so is crack, so I won't expect you to get it. He's been knocking it out of the park lately with All-New X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, DD End of Days, Guardians of the Galaxy, and always Ult. S.M.. Do you even read of those books? Interested in what you do read.

Posted by inferiorego

@lykopis said:

@theacidskull:

Congratulations on being chosen for the best argument for X-23.

I have no idea why people are continuing to weigh in on this. X-23 won. What I really love is how we had some really cool commentary from Liu and others! How awesome is that?

InferiorEgo continues to speak truth.

I look forward to keeping tabs on next week's match-up!

Plus, I made a Spice Girls reference. I double win!

Staff
Edited by Renchamp

@inferiorego said:

@lykopis said:

@theacidskull:

Congratulations on being chosen for the best argument for X-23.

I have no idea why people are continuing to weigh in on this. X-23 won. What I really love is how we had some really cool commentary from Liu and others! How awesome is that?

InferiorEgo continues to speak truth.

I look forward to keeping tabs on next week's match-up!

Plus, I made a Spice Girls reference. I double win!

When it comes to Spice Girl references, nobody wins.

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Posted by MyNameWasDeleted

Red Hood vs MoonKnight? -predicting Marvel loss in another popularity contest

as for this past popularity contest? Look I like me a mutant just like the next gal, but on the reals.. X-23 would be shown to have a healing factor with his first volley of rounds and Snake Eyes would compensate. Then it comes down to superior training, tactics and experience -and you know the scales are tipped in Snake Eye's favor... this poll was another glorious farce, but whatevz. I love this segment on here so keep em coming.

SNAKE EYES wuz ROBBED!!!!

Edited by RisingBean

@chillinvillain: @theacidskull: Sure, it is only a pain factor. but the fact is most people who have their face burned off go to sleep, most permanently. In comics it is usually at least a fight ender. Snake didn't curl up and give in. He continued the mission and succeeded at it. That speaks volumes about him.

Chillin, can she survive a decapitation? Does she put her head back on and continue? If not, I think Snake is skilled enough to win.

I imagine she may win a few if this is 10 fights, but I lean toward his skill being enough to take out her healing. If she had an adamantium skeleton, this ma be different, but it isn't. that's just my opinion, and short of seeing feats on a respect thread or some such, you are going to have a hard time convincing me she can beat Snake Eyes.

Posted by hart7668

@lunacyde: Isn't Batman < Lady Shiva, the quote-unquote "Deadliest Assassin in the [DC] World?" So if Snake Eyes is considered = to Batman who is < Lady Shiva, then wouldn't logic dictate Snake Eyes < Lady Shiva? I mean, unless Batman is on equal grounds with LS.

Posted by CyberWarrior

Moon Knight vs Red Hood? Hope MK will make it.

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Posted by Lunacyde

@hart7668: yes LS is considered superior to Batman. However Batman has given her plenty of trouble. She is better than Bats, but not THAT much better. Robert Atkins comment didn't say that Snake-eyes was an exact match in skill for Shiva, he said that SE was in the same tier as Shiva which batman is as well. They are all elite top tier martial artists.

Posted by The Average Bear

Moon Knight? Please, that's obviously Darkwing Duck

Nailed it

Posted by mewmdude77

I just thought that the battle could be as easy as this: Snake eyes knocks X-23 into a puddle and drowns her. Real easy. It happened to Daken (who I would say is stronger, faster, better with his senses, etc.), but was drowned in a puddle by Wolverine.

Posted by laflux

@theacidskull I know me and @pyrogram have been bear baiting you over the past couple of days, but kudos on getting the arguement of the week. You have proven to be the better man out of the three of us.......

Posted by Pyrogram

@laflux said:

@theacidskull I know me and @pyrogram have been bear baiting you over the past couple of days, but kudos on getting the arguement of the week. You have proven to be the better man out of the three of us.......

Speak for yourself there buddy :p I admit nothing.

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Posted by TheAcidSkull
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@laflux said:

@theacidskull I know me and @pyrogram have been bear baiting you over the past couple of days, but kudos on getting the arguement of the week. You have proven to be the better man out of the three of us.......

uhhhh thanks :P, don't see how this proves anything though lol.

Edited by cborg

@risingbean: to be fair the pain of being burned forced snake to pause and need momentary aid and x23 doesn't pause for a second being hit by multiple bullets while missing an arm. In a fight situation that pause = death/incapacitation

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Posted by RisingBean

@cborg: Nice point. I was using the pain factor to note that he can shrug off a lot. Sure, if he gets injured to that extent, she probably wins. But most of the time, she won't get the chance I don't think. I think Snake Eyes has the training, reflexes and ninja mysticism to stay in the fight and a sword to take off her head.

Posted by Yung ANcient One

I honestly see X-23 taking this 8/10

being nice with the idea of "barely" defeating Laura and because he's The greatest Ninja of all time or whatever. I still see x-23 taking this 6/10.

I can see Snake-Eyes taking this but barely. I can see him winning 6/10. Maybe 5/10 but 6/10 I just can't. I'm not trying to take anything from Snake-Eyes I mean in my imagination you can make an entire issue to show them two fighting the entire time but I honestly feel X-23 takes this 6/10 times at least.

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Edited by ClawFist

Man, Snake Eyes VS. X-23. I love both these characters. I think the Snake Man has two major advantages, long distance and speed. X-23 has a Healing Factor and X-Factor type weapons. At long distance, Snake Eyes has a definitive advantage with his firearms, grenades, kunai, and shuriken. With his accuracy, he's gonna do a lot of damage. Snake Eyes speed, this is a man who goes on the front lines to deal war practically every day, and comes back, and its not because of a healing factor or because he allows his body to sustain lethal damage, you simply can't say the same for X-23. So Snake Eyes speed is definitely an advantage in this fight.

Now let's talk about X-23 and her advantages. Snake can deal the damage, and X can certainly take it and even come back for more as she heals. Now X-Factor type weapons, this is where things get heated up. It gets in close, she's pulling out the obvious four knuckle claws for Close Quarters Combat. While in a first time confrontation, this might surprise Snake, its not something I don't think he can handle, this is where his speed comes in mind. But those foot claws are something I don't see Snake Eyes seeing as long as Laura keeps them concealed until the moment presents itself for a potentially lethal blow.

HOW IT GOES DOWN

When it comes down to it, I think X-23 can ultimately take this fight if she can avoid major firearm and long distance damage and ultimately win with her X-factor foot claw if concealed. Snake won't die though, if you know Snake Eyes, you know he never dies. He'll drop a grenade or something, and disappear in the massive explosion to fight another day.

Now please remember, she doesn't have an adamantium skeleton, and some of Snake Eyes long distance weapons, are meant to blow you apart. So if she can't manage to avoid Snake's long distance game, she's not gonna make it, but she'll eventually revive long after the battle is over. In either case, neither actually kills the other.