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Comic Vine Battle of the Week RESULTS: Sabretooth vs. Luther Strode

This week, one of Wolverine's most lethal villains fought a deadly hero from Image. Come see who's left standing.

Luther Strode, the hyper-violent hero from Image, or Sabretooth, the savage villain from Marvel? That's exactly what we asked on Monday and the community had five days to think it over, debate it out and vote. There was an impressive amount of solid posts (seriously, great job), and, in the end, one character took a firm lead in the poll. Over 200 Viners voted and it turns out a majority of them are siding with Luther Strode. Well, at least we all know Wolverine will be happy with the verdict.

Strode earned an impressive 56% of the votes and Victor Creed received 38%. 6% thought this one is too close to call. It's pretty easy to understand why so many people would immediately side with Strode. The impressive artwork by Tradd Moore makes Strode seem crazy fast, when really, his speed feats are on par with what we've seen high end street levelers do. It just has the advantage of being illustrated in an amazingly energetic fashion. For example, Creed has been dubbed faster than Wolverine on occasion and he too has been described as a blur numerous times and too fast for the human eye to follow -- it just wasn't presented in such a frenetic manner. Now, this isn't to say Creed is faster than Strode, but the gap isn't as significant as some may think.

Their other stats are pretty close, too. Strode's striking power is able to devastate regular humans, meanwhile Creed can literally crush a barbell like it's tin foil and has even knocked out Rogue with ease. Both are capable of taking an absurd amount of damage, but a key difference here could be how they operate in combat. Creed's arrogant and tends to enjoy making his opponent suffer. Luther, on the other hand, is more prone to go for the winning attack as soon as possible as opposed to taunting and such. Creed has far more experience and has faced a wider array of enemies, but Strode's pre-cog abilities and the two massive threats he has faced (The Librarian, Jack the Ripper) should help balance that factor out as well. A big thing working against Creed is how terrible some of his modern era showings have been. That said, it can be speculated some of those were clones, and more importantly, one should also take into account all of his showings prior to those as well.

A good case can be made for either side and, truth be told, I'd side slightly with Luther, but at the end of the day, there's just no denying how vicious this fight would be. As stated above, there were some honestly impressive posts made throughout the week. There were A LOT of great arguments, so if you took the time to make an elaborate post, it's definitely appreciated and likely helped sway potential voters. So, give yourself a pat on the back and treat yourself to a cookie of your choosing. Seeing as so many commendable arguments were made, let's go ahead and take a look at two of them. It's tempting to highlight every single good argument, but then this article would be ridiculously drawn-out and no one wants that.

Viner Argument of the Week for Luther Strode is by CadenceV2

"This is an even fight as one can get. Healing, Super Strength, Speed, Durability, and both seem to have skill showings of the same quality.

On one hand you have Sabertooth. A guy who has beaten a younger Wolverine like a meaner older brother all the time. Sabertooth strength is great enough to crumple barbells , overpower Wolverine, and even KO Rogue with a few hits. He also possesses Razor Claws that add to his damage output with his immense strength. This guy when not jobbing has beaten people like Wolverine, Psylock, and even a Wendigo in a straight up fight. Something Wolverine has trouble doing.

With all this said, Luther would win IMO. Luther Strode powers look near same, but IMO his stats are slightly higher. Luther strength for example is shown to punch holes in people all the time. He has loped off limbs with his bare hands due to his strength with speed. He even wrecked an entire large room by slamming Jack the Ripper. Speed is something IMO Luther is greater in too. His speed feats show him weaving between AR gunfire which is Mach 2+ bullets. He has shown consistently in just about every fight to be faster than any human can react. He also kept up with the insane fast Jack the Ripper. The next thing Luther is superior in is his Healing Factor. Creed has one too, but unlike Creed, Luther has shown to use his Haling Factor like a weapon. He has used his Intestines to choke out super strong foes. He has commanded his body to lock up attacks, and thus disarming, or leaving his enemies wide open for counter attack. I have never seen a comic character use their organs as a weapon. Creed would depend on his close combat claw action and find his hands stuck in Luther’s body! One final thing to add in Luther’s favor is his precognition. This Precog allows Luther to see up to 1000 possibilities. He can more than stay ahead of Sabertooth best hits while countering with his own.

I love this match with Sabertooth, I really wish they make more mini series with him, against Image’s top street leveler. It would be a bloody epic fight, but in the end I can see Luther pulling more wins than Sabertooth. Slight Majority to Luther Strode."

Viner Argument of the Week for Sabretooth is by TheDarkPacman (despite voting otherwise!)

"Luther is still an adolescent and, while experienced, is still getting used to the fact that he can survive stab wounds and intestine spillage. Luther winces and cringes too much to be able to handle the pain; he can take a punch, but stabbing him usually slows him down. And Sabretooth has claws, so stabbing no problem, especially if you believe their speeds are matched. Also, back to the pain-handling bit, Sabretooth has been around for a while. He's got the healing factor, which is way more advanced than Luther's, and is more experienced with dealing with pain. If Luther punches him in the stomach or something and doesn't manage to burst through Creed's chest (i know Luther's strength but not Sabretooth's defensive capabilitites; can he take that sort of punch?), Creed could get off a nice, clean slash to the gut and freakin' behead Strode. Luther can't survive that. Also, if you're taking hiding and the shadows and all that into consideration, Luther's not doesn't show himself as stealthy but more as menacing, so if he does hide at all, Sbare's got the heightened senses and all that, so he would hear/smell him coming. If they do end up going full out blow for blow, they both have good reflexes and can hold out for pretty long periods of time. but once again, if Luther gets cut, he gets disoriented because it still hurts him in a way he's used to being hurt and he will falter, giving Sabretooth an opening. Lastly, Luther's pre-cog that others have been mentioning isnt mastered at all, it just happens randomly, like when he gets really angry. Basically if he gets angry before getting cut, that could give him an edge.

Now, if you think me basing the fight on Luther getting cut or stabbed, well, just reread the Jack the Ripper fights and you'll see what i mean. Those were normal knives, Sabretooth's got mutant bone claws.

All in all, i'll shamefully admit i love Luther as a character more and voted for him (sheepish) but i do believe Sabretooth's got a slightly better chance with his, uh, "weaponry" if you will.

The fight would be freakin' awesome, though."

Next week will be a team battle! The image for it has already been prepared and below is a nice little teaser for you. Can you tell which two teams are being used? Could it be the Great Lakes Avengers vs. the Justice League? Have fun guessing below and be sure to visit the homepage on Monday to see the reveal.

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Posted by G_leno

I'm no expert on these two but I guess the right one won.

Posted by funckygarcon

I think ths is Dr. Doom's hand in the teaser.

Edited by dondave

The first image is of Yost's X-Force

Posted by dondave
Edited by SupremeHyperion

I Think Strode would wipe the floor with sabretooth in all honesty.

Posted by Lvenger

I thought it was a cosmic battle next week? Oh wait I read the original article again and it said cosmic/team battles. So based on the image on the left matching that X-Force cover, it looks like this'll be another team battle.

Posted by Pokergeist

@dondave said:

The first image is of Yost's X-Force

............. holy ****. You looked at a single out of place claw, and figured that out!

Posted by TheManInTheShoe

At first I thought the gold-ish hand was August General in Iron. But I couldn't find a matching picture.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@dondave: Awesome picture, but I'm just not seeing the resemblance!

Edited by cameron83

Even though I side more with Creed (slightly),I love both arguments. I love how they didn't undermine the other character's abilities.

@k4tzm4n said:

@dondave: Awesome picture, but I'm just not seeing the resemblance!

LMFAO

Posted by Chaos Burn

Wild stab in the dark and say Yost X-Force (as pictured by dondave) vs.... Suicide Squad

Posted by nickzambuto

@cadencev2 Viner Argument Of The Week… and you got your name misspelled. Ooh.

Posted by fables87

LUTHER STRODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by EvilPenguin543

I'd say next week is X-Force vs. Suicide Squad. It looks like Deadshot's hand in the right picture.

Posted by k4tzm4n

I'd say next week is X-Force vs. Suicide Squad. It looks like Deadshot's hand in the right picture.

Wild stab in the dark and say Yost X-Force (as pictured by dondave) vs.... Suicide Squad

What SS roster do you think would make that a balanced fight?

Not saying it IS them, just having some fun.

Posted by Pokergeist

@cadencev2 Viner Argument Of The Week… and you got your name misspelled. Ooh.

I dont care :P

Edited by EvilPenguin543
Posted by Carter_esque

Luther one-shots Victor.

Posted by Hawkguy

@dondave said:

The first image is of Yost's X-Force

And #2:

Cool battle :D

Posted by Super_SoldierXII

Gamora vs. Wolverine debate rages on ...

Curious, what are Drax's power levels looking like lately?

Edited by Hawkguy

@super_soldierxii said:

Gamora vs. Wolverine debate rages on ...

Curious, what are Drax's power levels looking like lately?

Honestly, Drax hasn't had much of a showing in Bendis' run and during the one major fight he was really in he seemed depressed or off his game.

Posted by Super_SoldierXII

@hawkguy said:

@super_soldierxii said:

Gamora vs. Wolverine debate rages on ...

Curious, what are Drax's power levels looking like lately?

Honestly, Drax hasn't had much of a showing in Bendis' run and during the one major fight he was really in he seemed depressed or off his game.

Is he still "depowered" or are his stats back up to Hulk levels (haven't been following them at all) ... because if the latter, X-Force is in for a world of hurt. If the former, it could be an interesting fight. Though Gamora will be a damn difficult prospect for team "X".

Posted by dondave

@hawkguy said:

@super_soldierxii said:

Gamora vs. Wolverine debate rages on ...

Curious, what are Drax's power levels looking like lately?

Honestly, Drax hasn't had much of a showing in Bendis' run and during the one major fight he was really in he seemed depressed or off his game.

Is he still "depowered" or are his stats back up to Hulk levels (haven't been following them at all) ... because if the latter, X-Force is in for a world of hurt. If the former, it could be an interesting fight. Though Gamora will be a damn difficult prospect for team "X".

IIRC He hasn't shown anything that would put him above Luke Cage IMO

Posted by Wolverine08
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Edited by Hawkguy
Edited by Super_SoldierXII

@super_soldierxii: There is a running debate about Gamora vs Wolverine? Lol.

Yup. Some hold her as the best hand to hander in Marvel land. Despite 90% of her vaunted skill remaining in the realm of hyperbole. Would be an interesting match-up all the same, as her stats are in the realm wherein a KO is very plausible.

Edited by k4tzm4n

@hawkguy said:

@dondave said:

The first image is of Yost's X-Force

And #2:

Cool battle :D

That would be pretty fun to discuss, but those pictures look NOTHING like the teaser. Like, not at all.

Edited by thedastardlyscoundrel

Well... this is absurd.

As though Luther Strode could possibly beat a character who can get shot out of a missile battery from orbit, crash to earth through several buildings, and get up with a smile on his face like nothing happen? No, he can't. I understand Luther frequently rips off limbs and dismembers no name fodder with ease, but are people really under the impression that is something Sabretooth can't do? Ignoring the fact that he done it on panel himself, he has feats that put him in the ten - twenty ton range, easily enough to pull off arms and bash people into mush. Sabretooth appears in less graphic comics than Luther, but that doesn't make him a less formidable opponent. Creed is stronger than Strode. He is faster than Strode. His healing factor is about a thousand times more powerful and faster than strode. There is LITERALLY no way that Luther could beat Sabretooth in a one on one confrontation. Guy ended up in the morgue because of automatic gun fire from a SWAT team at the end of the first mini. Binder incapacitated him with nero-toxin and pressure points, stuff that didn't even work on 80s Wolverine when he was fighting Shingen, never mind modern "I can eat nukes" Wolverine. Sabretooth throws down with Wolverine. He killed Sasquatch. He's gone shot for shot with Ms Marvel and won.

Luther beats Sabretooth? Get you acts together people.

Edited by CF12793

I figured Strode would win. I didn't vote, but just by observing Strode battle threads and knowing what the general opinion of the 2 characters are on these boards, I couldn't see Victor getting the majority.

To me, it's very very close. You've got a guy who can go toe to toe with some of the most dangerous foes on Earth, and another guy whose overall physical advantages makes him almost untouchable. But if it were up to me, I'd back Creed in a slight majority. I've seen what Luthor can do, but I think Creed's durability and skill feats are just more impressive. He's beaten characters Strode couldn't handle, such as Rogue, Ms. Marvel, and Wendigo. Luthor will get some critical hits in, but nothing Creed's healing factor couldn't undo. Creed's nearly as fast as Strode, and really knows how to fight when written properly.Whether people are willing to admit it or not, Creed is nearly Wolverine's equal in terms of skill, it's just that he hasn't portrayed that way as of late which is frustrating for us Sabretooth fans.

Strode wouldn't make it easy, but I think Creed could beat him in a 6/10

Posted by thedastardlyscoundrel
@cf12793 said:

I figured Strode would win. I didn't vote, but just by observing Strode battle threads and knowing what the general opinion of the 2 characters are on these boards, I couldn't see Victor getting the majority.

To me, it's very very close. You've got a guy who can go toe to toe with some of the most dangerous foes on Earth, and another guy whose overall physical advantages makes him almost untouchable. But if it were up to me, I'd back Creed in a slight majority. I've seen what Luthor can do, but I think Creed's durability and skill feats are just more impressive. He's beaten characters Strode couldn't handle, such as Rogue, Ms. Marvel, and Wendigo. Luthor will get some critical hits in, but nothing Creed's healing factor couldn't undo. Creed's nearly as fast as Strode, and really knows how to fight when written properly.Whether people are willing to admit it or not, Creed is nearly Wolverine's equal in terms of skill, it's just that he hasn't portrayed that way as of late which is frustrating for us Sabretooth fans.

Strode wouldn't make it easy, but I think Creed could beat him in a 6/10


But what does Strode do that can stop or even slow down Creed? Binder who was almost the equal of Luther was almost killed by two exploding propane tanks. Creed on the other hand can tank an rpg without batting an eye lid. There is really a huge power differential at play here that no one seems to be acknowledging.

Also: I have no idea where the misconception that Strode is faster than Creed comes from either. He has some text book street level bullet dodging feats, albeit rendered impressively. Hell Strode's best feat is a pastiche of one of Wolverine's.

Posted by JasonHamilton

im sorry my fellow comic heads im going with victor creed sabretooth forget luthor no one really knows this cat at all how many comic book stores you walk into and they talk about luthor thats my point people love sabretooth more period