Comic Vine Battle of the Week Results: Predator vs. Boba Fett

@theirishdoctor: I see a lot of ROCKS survived Alderaan too. Does that mean they're tougher than Phrik and Beskar? Honestly it's just writers being ridiculous.Heck we had Phrik combined with another material to make vambrace in the KotoR comics and Camper said it probably wouldn't even hold up to a strong 2-handed strike with a lightsaber.

We see them deflect glancing blows, but not outright stopping and knocking away full on lightsaber attacks. Should also know that most materials in SW that're supposedly super-durable, are also super weak to high temperatures. A number of Yautja weapons are Tempered in Plasma. Meaning their tools are so tough they use lightsabers to sharpen their blades as one might use a grindstone and wetstone to sharpen a sword.

And saying the "tech" is more powerful in SW is meaningless since Boba isn't carrying the Death Star in his armor pack. A Thermal Detonator can incinerate everything in a 30m radius. A Yautja's wrist device can nuke a city, and Yautja have this level of explosive force in the majority of their vehicles, including Drop Ships like those seen in AVP. And they can be set to a lower yield, enough to destroy all immediate evidence and, say, a military base where someone thought they should take it for study (take that Area 51).

@reikai:

The Rocks thing was silly. Of course there were rocks in the aftermath. That's called debris. It's not so much the Phrik container surviving either that's impressive (although it is), it's more that it protected the fragile piece of technology inside of it enough that it could be recovered.

Second point, with the KotOR comic thing...I get it. Star Wars is...inconsistent at best...but 1) combining metals doesn't make a new metal that is stronger (actually it tends to make one that is weaker), and 2), beskar IS consistently shown to deflect lightsaber strikes. There is inconsistency in how WELL it is shown to do this, but I have seen versions where beskar gauntlets can catch a lightsaber and grab onto the blade without taking significant damage.

Most star wars stuff is weak to high temp. Beskar is not. That's sort of the point.

Plasma is not all the same. Some plasma is far hotter than others. Lightsabers cut through almost anything, they're super concentrated plasma. They would slice right through predator weaponry as well.

I know that predators carry nukes, but you also have to consider the psychology of the combatants. We've only ever seen them use that once (that I know of, as I will admit, I've only read a little bit of the expanded world of the predators so there might be other times that I am not aware of), and it was by one who was already pretty much dead as basically a spite move. They are hunters, and just sitting back and nuking the city that their prey is in...well it's not their style. Thus that 30 meter thermal detonator (more than enough to fry a predator) is on the table, but the nuke really isn't unless the predator wants to take itself down as well.

At the end of the day though...this is just a bad match up. You're pitting a warrior class against a single warrior. It's like saying "could a Spartan warrior defeat Eric the Red?"...well I'm sure that there were those that could and those that couldn't.

Don't forget though that Boba Fett killed Jedi. He dueled Darth Vader with lightsabers twice and won both times. He survived the belly of the Sarlacc pit, which if you research what exactly the Sarlacc pit does to a person...yeah that's no small feat. I'm not denying that predators are a class of super-warriors that would seriously push Fett to his limits. And I'm not even saying that I definitely think that Fett would win...

But I'd call it at around 40-60 in Fett's favor, personally.

Fist and Cage easy

Hopefully this'll be going when I get home Tuesday! Bring it on!

I didn't vote because I know nothing of Boba Fett's comic-book history, but glad to see Predator took this one

@theirishdoctor:

The Rocks thing was silly. Of course there were rocks in the aftermath. That's called debris. It's not so much the Phrik container surviving either that's impressive (although it is), it's more that it protected the fragile piece of technology inside of it enough that it could be recovered.

Unfortunately the circumstances of its survival are not explained. Far as anyone knows it was also inside a cortosis suitcase hidden behind three rayshields on a transport ship moving away from Alderaan when it exploded. So, taking one piece surviving intact with a mountain of salt.

Second point, with the KotOR comic thing...I get it. Star Wars is...inconsistent at best...but 1) combining metals doesn't make a new metal that is stronger (actually it tends to make one that is weaker), and 2), beskar IS consistently shown to deflect lightsaber strikes. There is inconsistency in how WELL it is shown to do this, but I have seen versions where beskar gauntlets can catch a lightsaber and grab onto the blade without taking significant damage.

In fiction, combining metals makes them hella stronger. Think Steve Rogers (Cap America) would survive as much as he has if his shield was only made of Adamantium? Sure, it'd be indestructible, but he'd still get hit with every shockwave and all the kinetic force striking against it. Without the Vibranium mixed in, one shot from Thor or the Hulk would turn Cap to pulp under the shield.

I think more like the Damascus Blade in Battle Angel Alita. It's made from different metals to gain various benefits. Not as hard as other weapons made of purer metals, but the combination still made it just shy of diamond hard and made it more malleable and flexible so that it'd bend and return to being straight instead of snapping like another blade might.

Same thing applies in SW. Mixing materials actually helps and things just by themselves only does so much. Cortosis is actually very tough to mine, but very brittle until you melt it down and purify it. How well Beskar performs generally depends on the writer.

The only way to explain it catching a lightsaber easy is if it was combined with something else or it had an internal power source that generates a small shield around the armor. Not unheard of as personal shields were actually very common in the KotoR era, but less so in later eras due to lack of feasible resources to make them.

For me, I've seen things block lightsabers, and I've seen stuff bending the blade back when in contact with certain substances. Which is either an attribute of the material or a form of electromagnetic shield or manipulation to turn a lightsaber away.

Plasma is not all the same. Some plasma is far hotter than others. Lightsabers cut through almost anything, they're super concentrated plasma. They would slice right through predator weaponry as well.

That's not proven in any shape/way/form, and we have Pred weapons and cannons that reach into the millions of degrees, and Yautja have plasma melee weapons as well, which include Dark Plasma that continues to eat and dissolve matter after its been struck. So while a lightsaber may cut your hand off, a Dark Plasma Scythe won't just take your hand, the residual energy will continue chewing through the rest of your arm for a bit, until the energy dissipates.

Given that Yautja use plasma to temper their weapons means that they are extraordinarily resistant to extremes of heat and energy. That includes their weapons and armor. It generally takes multiple plasma blasts to get through the armor a Yautja wears on the hunt. Which is why the general rule is if you see cloth or flesh, that's where you aim.

We've even seen a number of their weapons made to be completely impervious to a xenomorphs acid blood. The only reason why they don't make all their armor and weapons immune to it is to give the creatures a fighting chance. A Yautja's blood also counteracts the acid, so it takes more xeno-blood to melt through a Yautja than it would a human or most other organic creatures.

I know that predators carry nukes, but you also have to consider the psychology of the combatants. We've only ever seen them use that once (that I know of, as I will admit, I've only read a little bit of the expanded world of the predators so there might be other times that I am not aware of), and it was by one who was already pretty much dead as basically a spite move. They are hunters, and just sitting back and nuking the city that their prey is in...well it's not their style. Thus that 30 meter thermal detonator (more than enough to fry a predator) is on the table, but the nuke really isn't unless the predator wants to take itself down as well.

Actually the Nuke isn't for spiting an enemy, it's to erase all evidence the Yautja was there in the event its critically injured, captured, or if it's seen by too many of an intelligent species that it was hunting that the secret of their existence would get out. It's to destroy their weapons, tools, ship, everything so that it can't be recovered or used by these species.

Not all of them have succeeded in this as Yautja technology has been recovered a number of times over the generations, and the only reason Humans have colonized space as much as they have in AVP is due to reverse-engineering Yautja technology, and even after a millennium of studying it, Humans still aren't even close to matching it.

Also, the wristbomb isn't their only explosive device. They do have various types of mines they can use like grenades at their leisure. Such as the laser net in AVP2. Others include sonic, plasma and EMP mines. A plasma mine would be the more direct equivalent of a Thermal Detonator in Star wars.

Don't forget though that Boba Fett killed Jedi. He dueled Darth Vader with lightsabers twice and won both times. He survived the belly of the Sarlacc pit, which if you research what exactly the Sarlacc pit does to a person...yeah that's no small feat. I'm not denying that predators are a class of super-warriors that would seriously push Fett to his limits. And I'm not even saying that I definitely think that Fett would win...

I don't recall Fett ever besting Vader, but I do recall Vader never took him seriously at either time. I also recall that Fett had fallen into the Sarlaac not once, not twice, but three times. And the only thing that really saved him was his armor. The real reason he survived is because the Fans didn't want to see him die so the EU brought him back.

Yes, Fett has killed Jedi. So have 3rd rate Space Pirates, snipers, clone troopers, Imperial Agents, Imperial Guard, Sith, other Jedi, Assassins, other Mandalorians and so on and so forth. It's not that hard when you know what you're doing. Hell HK-47 explains exactly how you can kill Jedi.

Thing is, not only does the Predator have everything that Fett has (minus jetpack unless the Pred is using an aerial vehicle to match), it has things Fett doesn't have, and decades more experience at the Least, ontop of other skills. Including stealth, and not just the camo function on the armor, but literal stealth skill involving being able to move without making a sound in a hundred plus pounds of armor on every kind of terrain from rocky to smooth, to slick and dry and crumbly.

This kind of skill and discipline is a Must when stalking other species, especially Xenomorphs that don't rely on normal means of sight to know what's going on around it. We've got Preds who can sneak into a Hive of Xenos and not get found out until they're ontop of the Queen and getting ready to capture her to use as a breeder for more Hunts. Anyone who can't mask their sounds generally ends up dead and could get the entire group killed.

No he didn't, the bit with the lightsaber is non-canon even then he didn't really do anything with it. The actual canon fight was so completely one sided towards Vader.

Heroes for HirevsA bit of the old ultraviolence? I'll take the mentally unstable Spider-Clone and Venom in this fight based on their ruthlessness and mentality to complete a task. Luke has a temper and durable skin to go along with strength but taking on a symbiote and aSpider-Man is something he and Danny wouldn't be able to do. Iron-Fist on the other hand (no pun intended) may hold his own pretty well against either Spider, but he and Luke have an issue with range attacks.

This result was stupid. Also, There was no link to the vote in the original article when I read it (when it first went up). It mentioned a link, but didn't provide one. I'm sure I wasn't the only one that didn't get to vote.

Link was in the article the entire time and in the same spot it's always in.

Nah you hid it, I mean come on man we all know that you hate more people looking at your articles for some reason. :P

This result makes sense. It really looked too close to call for me but after seeing the raw facts about strength and durability Predator seems like the logical choice. That next fight seems sort of unfair even though I haven't been keeping up with either side's books.

I made Viner argument of the week!

Ugh! I'm so disappointed. I feel like Boba's skill and weapons were downplayed by a lot of people. I feel like Boba was kinda in a disadvantage in this as well. Many people think Boba's nothing but the guy who got owned by a blind Han Solo :/

That was me. On the same coin many arguments for Boba included down playing Predator who gets own by Normal Humans or Danny Glover.

So I do not want to hear it!

@fetts: @cadencev2: Well, Boba got knocked into the Sarlaac by a blind man. That's a bit more embarrassing than a Pred killing dozens of people with ease, taking multiple shotgun blasts at close range to its unprotected abdomen, after being blasted with a freezing mixture (Yautja do NOT like the cold), having a hand cut off, falling several stories into another building, then smashing through multiple walls in a pain-induced rage and dropping more than 50ft down a hole without a scratch.

Then having a knife fight with the toughest SOB the Chicago Police has to offer, who had been learning from all the mistakes made by the local gangs, fellow cops, mafia and FBI, allowing him to even survive that long at all. The only thing saving him was Plot Protection. The same for Dutch in the first movie, and you know it's a fact since the Yautja could've offed him at any time and had Arnie dead to rights, yet decided to have Sport with him by dropping its main weapons and bio-mask and having a "fair" duel.

And according to the Source Material, both preds in the movies were either Unblooded Youngsters or just recently blooded. Meaning they had very little experience in comparison to many other hunters. Heck the entire time Danny Glover was in the Yautja Ship, he had no idea he was completely surrounded by the Clan until they revealed themselves at the end. Only for the Clan Leader to give Hagan (Danny) a symbol of his respect for besting a Hunter (regardless of how) and then departing without killing him, because he had earned the right to live.

That symbol, of course, being a 200yr old black powder pistol. Which means these buggers had been effing around on Earth for a Long, Long time.

@reikai: Boba Fett getting owned like that was really nothing but plot device. Read the comics. Boba is far more impressive than that.

I just feel like that Boba has an unfair advantage in this vote because a lot of people probably have never read a Boba Fett comic in their lives. If those people were actually informed about how impressive EU Boba is, I'm sure Boba would have won this vote.

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@nick_hero22 said:

Tom Tyler shows his ignorance -__-

Tom Taylor, and he's obviously just having fun with it, man.

I hope so

@jonny_anonymous said:

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@cadencev2 said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

"Predator couldn't even deal with Kindergarten Cop when he got a bit muddy" - Tom Taylor

/end thread

Wait, didnt Fett get beaten by a Blind Han Solo!?

LOL

Better that than getting beat by old man Danny Glover

Do you actually watch the movie? Because if you did you would have know that Danny Glover was losing pretty badly in the final fight to a Predator that had been shot several times in the abdomen with a shotgun along with having a missing arm.

So? Danny Glover was still an old policeman with 0 h2h skills

Danny Glover was quite competent and like you said he was a veteran officer in a city that suffered from a large gang war. During that confrontation Danny had the Predator's smart disc while the Predator was using his wrist blades while missing an arm and it still had the upperhand, not to mention that the Predator was an Unblood.

And also, can we not downplay Danny Glover, I mean old rugged cops are some tough, mean, SOBs, especially in movies. And let's not forget the first movie taking out Carl Weathers, do I need to remind you all of the manliest handshake in history?

Predator took out one of these two guys and messed up the other. Boba couldn't even deal with a blind smuggler and a dude from a beer commercial. I used to like Boba until the prequels when we find out he's nothing more than a flawed clone of an ACTUAL badass.

Um that was not just a dude from a beer commercial, that was Billy Dee William a well known black actor an pioneer. He was popular in the 70's and 80's. If t wasn't for actors lie him, there would be no Danny Glover, Wesley Snipes, Samuel Jackson's or Carl Weathers....etc in blockbuster movies you enjoy. Black actors like Williams paved the way for black actors today to make it in the movie industry. It would suit better, if you do your research upon actor's, before criticizing and throwing them under the bus in an attempt at humor. Just saying!

This next battle will be cake for Luke and IF. I personally feel IF feats and powers are more then enough to handle them but worst case scenario. All Luke and IF have to do is piss off venom enough for him to rage out. At this point venom will see kaine (assuming he is spiderman) and attack. Heroes for hire could walk away from the fight as winners before it even ends. BAM!

Kaine and/or Venom vs Deathblow?

Predator closes his eyes and shoots fett to death

Next week's battle is gonna be tough to decide. I cant choose between Venom and Iron Fist

Shouldn't Kaine and Venom stomp? Although Danny and Luke have lots of experience working together. It's just that the Spider-bros are like...hella strong and fast

@outside_85: That was Jango Fett who was decapped, not Boba.

Damn predator

This was a great match up. I voted for Boba Fett and thought he would narrowly escape with the victory. Regardless, I really enjoyed this one!

Glad the actual winner won this won... There is some justice in the Multiverse after all.

Why do so many people forget that Boba Fett never did ANYTHING even remotely badass? He did ONE thing: Hid his spaceship in some garbage, and radioed the authorities as to the whereabouts of the Millenium Falcon. That's it. Nothing more. He attempted to fight Luke Skywalker, and that lasted about 3 seconds, then he got knocked into the Sarlaac Pit by a blind guy. I get that his outfit LOOKS badass, but I can dress my little sister up in a badass costume. Boba Fett is useless.

Good match-up and I have to agree that Predator would win. Actually, I really like this pairing.

predator stops

@jonny_anonymous: true, the Predator couldn't beat a desperate, no arsenal normal human. I think Fett is a lot more resourceful than Arnold. Fett is the number 1 bounty hunter for the Galaxy's number one dictator, Darth Vader. This is a bullshit poll.

@reikai: that game was boss, but maybe the exception to the rule.