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Comic Vine Battle of the Week Results: Movie Batman vs. Movie Dredd

"I am the law" takes on "I'm Batman!" Who's left standing?

The second live-action Comic Vine Battle of the Week places Gotham City's hero against the Mega-City One's badass officer. Judge Dredd obviously has a raw firepower advantage. His signature firearms offers a scary amount of projectile options and he's not afraid to use lethal force. Batman, however, has an edge in this environment and his use of stealth and skill could let him bring it into close range.

After a week of debate and voting, the Comic Vine community thinks Karl Urban's Judge Dredd would take out Christian Bale's Batman. 52% sided with The Dead Man, while 40% had The Dark Knight's back and only 7% thought this was too close to call.

Winner: The Law.

I agree with the majority on this one. I think the environment does favor Batman and give him a fighting chance, but I view Dredd's firearm (the Lawgiver) and other equipment as a solid advantage. It obviously takes more than a gun to beat Batman, but this isn't your ordinary gun and this certainly isn't your ordinary goon. If he wants to, he can engulf an entire section in flames, use explosive rounds or even deploy gas. Seeing as he won't hesitate to use fatal measures, I see no reason to believe why he wouldn't resort to any of these options, especially upon seeing Batman's use of a grappling line and stealth may make it too difficult to land a direct hit.

If Batman can get close, then yes, I do believe he would take it. Do I think this is a possible outcome? Absolutely, I wouldn't make a match if I couldn't imagine either side taking a victory, after all. The ample starting distance could let Batman take to a rooftop and then utilize his gear (batarangs and smoke) to get in close. From there, his superior hand-to-hand technique could eventually end it. At the same rate, Dredd could get off a lucky shot in close range, especially since we saw he's a more than capable close range combatant.

Wayne dominating in close range is definitely possibility, but I think Dredd's lethal and tactical mind of his own means he's going to make proper use of the Lawgiver and that's unfortunately something the Wayne's cowl won't be able to withstand. Bruce's undeniably more skilled and this environment does boost his odds, but ultimately, I think Dredd's mentality and sheer power will serve him well.

Viner Argument of the Week for Judge Dredd is by Jonny_Anonymous

"In my opinion Dredd takes this. Let's take a look at each character:

Experience

If this is DKR version of Batman that mean's he's went through three big events in his life, the League of Shadow's attack on Gotham, the Jokers reign of terror and Bane's takeover, in between each of these Batman has fought common thugs, Gotham is a ruff city but this isn't the comic book version and apart from the afore mentioned events most of the time Gotham isn't any worse the some of crappier cities in real life . Bruce has maybe spent about 5 active years as Batman with an 8 year gap between DK and DKR that's a pretty short amount of time in the grand scheme of things and the only pepole in that time to really test him physically was Bane and Ras.

At the start of Dredd, Jo is already a vet shown to be highly respected by the Hall of Justice's upper brass and tasked with helping train rookies, he's shown to be well versed in street smarts, strategy and the Rule of Law also Judge Dredd patrols Mega City One, a city that covers the ENTIRE eastern seaboard, that is a hell of a lot more territory to cover than Gotham and not only that but MC1 is a city that's went over the edge, it's almost complete anarchy with riots murders and straight up block wars happening on a daily basis, the citizen to judge ratio is so small (1 to 10,000 in the comic) that some blocks rarely even see them at that allows gangs to run some blocks like there own personal forts, even the events that take place during DREDD are implied to happen on a daily basis.

Winner: Dredd

Gear

Batman's standard gear would include his bat suit that is resistant to small arms fire directed at centre of mass but it's unknown whether it would hold up to sustained fire, it's also shown to be weak against piercing weapons and blunt force trauma, it's also unlikely to protect against armor piercing rounds or explosives. As for Batman's ranged weapons he has his Batarangs and grappling gun (has he ever used it in an offensive manner?) Bat's may also come equpped with smoke pellets and the Bat caller thing.

Dredd Is going to come equipped with a fully loaded Lawgiver Mk II that contains seven different modes of fire contained in three separate magazines, Hotshot (superheated round) Rapid (fully automatic) Full Metal Jacket (empties mag) High Ex (high explosives) Incendiary (white phosphorus) AP (armor piercing) Stun (electric discharge), the Lawgiver is DNA specific so that only it's owner can use it without it self-destructing (not that that matters since Bats wouldn't touch it) Dredd will also have number of stun and gas grenades. As for Dredd's armor and helmet it's bullet resistant but not bullet proof as shown when he's shot and wounded by armor piercing rounds but this is of little consequence since it will serve as enough protection against batarangs and blunt force.

Winner: Dredd

Physicals

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Batman comes out on top in this category, we actually get to see his training and he shows his fighting prowess by taking out almost every adversary by hand to hand and only ever really having problems with Bane and Ras.

Dredd is a competent brawler and will be well trained by the Hall of Justice but we don't really get to see much of it on screen, the only h2h is short and brutal and Jo seems to struggle slightly, his only advantage would be his pain soak since he was able to take a AP round to the gut and after clamping it keep on chugging like it was nothing.

Winner: Batman

Recap:

So in short if Batman get's in close his skill will eventually overpower Dredd's damage soak and take him down BUT Dredd has to much tactical skill and the long range firepower to allow that to happen.

DREDD WINS"

The majority and I think Judge Dredd wins, but let's see what some other people have to say about it.

Mat 'Inferiorego' Elfring, Comic Vine staff writer

"Two men with grizzly voices. One of them is the stick of justice and the other one is the law. Listen, I'm a huge Batman fan, but movieverse Batman is a bit of a whinebox. "Oh no, my knee hurts! Oh no, my back is killing me!' Stop whining and start fighting! You know what movie Dredd did when he got his butt kicked? He fought back. LIKE A MAN! Seriously. Dredd is tougher. Dredd is better. Dredd will win. HE IS THE LAW."

Duane Swierczynski, writer of JUDGE DREDD

"Is there even a debate? Dredd would have the rich boy in bat PJs doing a hard 50 in the iso-cubes before you could blink."

Agree? Disagree? Give the comments section a piece of your mind, Viners.

Lastly, here's a teaser for next week's battle. This brawl will hit the homepage on Monday, so check back then!

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Posted by thanobomb1124
Posted by Pokergeist

I'm a huge Batman fan to the point I have my bathroom and car decorated in Batman gear, but anyone who voted for DKT Batman over movie Dredd didn't see those movies. DKT Batman would die a quick a painless death in any other universe, especially the one in the Dredd movie. Christian Bale Batman went out like a kitten, Karl Urban Dredd roared like a lion.

Problem Batfans were bringing up Nolan's Batman ability to be invisible with his skill and carrying EMP device to disable Dredds Gear (Which never affected Tech in any way) for a auto win.

Edited by Raw_Material

Batman vs Taskmaster...Hmmm

Posted by fiodestromus

"Inhabitants of Gotham, this is Judge Dredd. In case you people have forgotten, this city operates under the same rules as the rest of the country. Batman is not the law... I am the law."

lol this is exactly how it would go.

Posted by TheWolverine04

"Inhabitants of Gotham, this is Judge Dredd. In case you people have forgotten, this city operates under the same rules as the rest of the country. Batman is not the law... I am the law."

Isn't Dredd just Batman with a gun?

Posted by GraniteSoldier

I definitely saw Dredd winning. But it is a great and interesting matchup. It's one I'd love to see on screen.

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Posted by Pokeysteve

HTF does the winning argument figure Batman was active for 5 years?

7 or 8 years to train---------Scarecrow/Ras and Joker back to back----------------8 years later, Bane.

It didn't take him 5 years to stop Joker.

Posted by New_World_Order

@k4tzm4n: That is true. I would love to see one with either Thor or Marvel Ares in the future

Posted by New_World_Order

@lvenger: Well maybe not beings like Superman and Thor, but beingd like Marvel Ares. Man I would love one with Ares, I would be able to finally showcase my vast knowledge on the character! :)

Posted by LordRequiem

I hate these stupid long answers where someone thinks they're being clever. Describing Dredd's experience was mostly a description of the city. Idiot. And the Batman one mentioned the three major fights he had, not the multiple groups of enemies he fought at once, not the training he's had etc. Terrible answer, well done.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@thewolverine04: Well I'd say a chaotic good batman/with a gun at least

Well not really, pepole say that Dredd is an anti-hero but that's not true, anti-hero's do bad things for a good cause but Dredd doesn't do bad things, he obeys the law almost fanatically, in his society what he does is 100% morally correct and right, he see's things in black and white, ether you'v broken a law or you haven't. Batman however brakes laws every day, sure he has a moral code but that doesn't matter to Dredd.

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Edited by Pokergeist

I hate these stupid long answers where someone thinks they're being clever. Describing Dredd's experience was mostly a description of the city. Idiot. And the Batman one mentioned the three major fights he had, not the multiple groups of enemies he fought at once, not the training he's had etc. Terrible answer, well done.

Waaaagh.... Yet more people still believe that Batman lost. In the end thats what really matters.

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Posted by fiodestromus

@jonny_anonymous: True,could have not been said better

I AM THE LAW!!! (re-watched Slyvestor Stallone's Dredd a day before this thread came out.Thinking about doing an art piece of him vs batman or just him by himself)

Posted by LordRequiem

@cadencev2: It's not that Batman lost, that is not my point, that is completely irrelevant, it's these arsey answers. So stop your ignorance.

Posted by Pokergeist

@cadencev2: It's not that Batman lost, that is not my point, that is completely irrelevant, it's these arsey answers. So stop your ignorance.

Better answers than Batman fans screaming "EMP, EMP" which has zero feats vs anything other than lights as a win.

Stop your ignorance. Deal with it.

Posted by LordRequiem

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. You use my words because you cannot fathom any of your own. Thank you.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@lordrequiem: If you don't like my answer, stop reading it or just go cry in a corner. Ether one works fine.

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Posted by Mangakid1995

How do youdower a bike with a tazer? We're talking. Standard gear so he has a standard tazer not the huge one he had in DKR.

Posted by LordRequiem

@jonny_anonymous: Please tell me how describing a city has alludes to Dredd's experience? Such childish retorts, I once thought comic fans not the stereotypical weaklings they are portrayed as, I must be wrong.

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@jonny_anonymous: Please tell me how describing a city has alludes to Dredd's experience? Such childish retorts, I once thought comic fans not the stereotypical weaklings they are portrayed as, I must be wrong.

If I have to explain that to you then you'r probably still in school. Ether way your safe in the knowledge that nobody agrees with you.

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Posted by LordRequiem

@jonny_anonymous: What is your problem? You are extremely arrogant for someone writing over the internet. I am within my right to voice my opinion of your garbage descriptions, and I should not have to deal with your remedial outbursts simply because you do not agree. Learn to grow a pair, face me in person, then you would not be so vocal.

Posted by New_World_Order
Posted by Pokergeist

@jonny_anonymous: What is your problem? You are extremely arrogant for someone writing over the internet. I am within my right to voice my opinion of your garbage descriptions, and I should not have to deal with your remedial outbursts simply because you do not agree. Learn to grow a pair, face me in person, then you would not be so vocal.

Yes, you do have a right to whine and cry like a child who never left his moms house, cannot get a girlfriend, and so spends his days targeting people and talk smack about them.

@jonny_anonymous: Such childish retorts, I once thought comic fans not the stereotypical weaklings they are portrayed as, I must be wrong.

Like your not looking for attention here like a child trolling for a flame war. Also if your not comic fan, then what are you doing on a comic websight talking on a comic battle? Double Standard alot!?

Posted by LordRequiem

I am a comic fan you fool, I am not a fan of simpletons like yourself challenging my opinions for no reason other than being argumentative. I'd prefer if no one ever replied to what I write. But alas, there's people like you that use phrases like "flame war" and "trolling" and "talk smack" which immediately shows your intelligence to equal nil. It's okay though, coward, you know only weakness. Mine is strength.

Posted by TheWolverine04

@fiodestromus said:

@thewolverine04: Well I'd say a chaotic good batman/with a gun at least

Well not really, pepole say that Dredd is an anti-hero but that's not true, anti-hero's do bad things for a good cause but Dredd doesn't do bad things, he obeys the law almost fanatically, in his society what he does is 100% morally correct and right, he see's things in black and white, ether you'v broken a law or you haven't. Batman however brakes laws every day, sure he has a moral code but that doesn't matter to Dredd.

Thanks. A nice straight to the point clearly understandable explanation. :)

Posted by Reignmaker

Amazed by all these "Batman fans" that are saying he has "no chance" against Dredd. Seriously? Did you even watch these movies?

Obviously Bale wasn't the perfect BatGod from a Morrison comic, but we're talking about a guy who frequently dodged/avoided gunfire, took down groups of 6-7 fighters in a matter of minutes, took out a SWAT team single-handedly, and bested Bane. From Dredd we got one movie that demonstrated a guy who struggles when he's forced to fight in close-combat. Every argument for a Dredd win rests on the fact that Bale wont be able to close a gap of 50 feet in an inner city area with plenty of props from which to hide or glide. Just wow...

Comicvine: home of the 1% who were too cool for Nolan's Batman (even though most of them threw their money at him, multiple times). Give these people another 10 years of Tim Burton and Joe Schumacher. They deserve it. *clap clap clap*

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meh I guess

Posted by Skulexander
Posted by JuliusTakalua

Still do not agree with the majority.. but i can't see the next contenders

Posted by Knightfall225

@k4tzm4n: it looks exactly like the one in the article....

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@knightfall225 said:

@k4tzm4n: it looks exactly like the one in the article....

The setting, two characters and my verdict on who wins, yes. A poll to see who the community thinks would win? No. A selected argument by a Viner for Dredd? No. Thoughts from another staff member? No. Thoughts from a writer? No.

Yeah, I previously wrote about it, but like I've already said, it's a good fight and I wanted the community to have a chance to talk about it.

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@reignmaker said:

Amazed by all these "Batman fans" that are saying he has "no chance" against Dredd. Seriously? Did you even watch these movies?

Obviously Bale wasn't the perfect BatGod from a Morrison comic, but we're talking about a guy who frequently dodged/avoided gunfire, took down groups of 6-7 fighters in a matter of minutes, took out a SWAT team single-handedly, and bested Bane. From Dredd we got one movie that demonstrated a guy who struggles when he's forced to fight in close-combat. Every argument for a Dredd win rests on the fact that Bale wont be able to close a gap of 50 feet in an inner city area with plenty of props from which to hide or glide. Just wow...

Comicvine: home of the 1% who were too cool for Nolan's Batman (even though most of them threw their money at him, multiple times). Give these people another 10 years of Tim Burton and Joe Schumacher. They deserve it. *clap clap clap*

Seriously, thank you. "Batman can't dodge gunfire, that's unrealistic!" Completely irrelevant garbage in the context of the argument. He dodged it, it happened, get over it. "But Dredd has an incendiary grenade!" Yes, which had a small point of initial impact prior to spreading, and which he only effectively managed to use because he got the drop on the poor slobs that thought he was holed up in a phone booth. Do people honestly think he's going to get the drop on Batman when they both start clearly visible to each other, especially after he takes out the lights (showed in both Begins and TDK). Do they think Dredd is even going to have a chance after Bruce disables his Lawgiver with an EMP, beats the ever living shit out of him, and then for good measure decides to remotely summon a metric fuck ton of bats to pepper him with a hefty layer of guano before telling him that the streets belong to the Batman? Fight would go down exactly like this:

Dredd: "I am the law, prepare to be judged."

Batman: ... *disables the lights*

Dredd: "Resisting arrest is whatever the fuck amount of years confined to an isocube... hey, where'd you go?"

Batman: ... *EMP, sneak sneak sneak*

Dredd: "I feel funny."

Posted by Vaen

@iaconpoint said:

I'm a huge Batman fan to the point I have my bathroom and car decorated in Batman gear, but anyone who voted for DKT Batman over movie Dredd didn't see those movies. DKT Batman would die a quick a painless death in any other universe, especially the one in the Dredd movie. Christian Bale Batman went out like a kitten, Karl Urban Dredd roared like a lion.

Problem Batfans were bringing up Nolan's Batman ability to be invisible with his skill and carrying EMP device to disable Dredds Gear (Which never affected Tech in any way) for a auto win.

lolwut?

Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus

I can see this going this way :) Good fight one way or another with Dredd out on top.

Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642

@k4tzm4n Please oh please oh please do either Post Crisis Superman vs Thor or New 52 Superman vs Marvel Now! Hyperion. pretty please with a cherry on top.

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The Shade (DC) vs. Monica Rambeau (Marvel) It would be close

Professor Xavier (Marvel) vs. Winnowill (Elfquest) I think Winnowill would have the edge.

Martian Manhunter (DC) vs. Super Skrull (Marvel) No clue.

Daleks (Doctor Who) vs. Galactus (Marvel) Galactus would probably win, but I couldn't resist throwing this into consideration.

Posted by BlackPan1her

"Inhabitants of Gotham, this is Judge Dredd. In case you people have forgotten, this city operates under the same rules as the rest of the country. Batman is not the law... I am the law."

Ok, that gave me shivers up my spine. Awesome!!