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Comic Vine Battle of the Week Results: Daredevil vs. Nightwing

A winner has been determined by the community and one character took a slight edge. Plus, find out what NIGHTWING writer Kyle Higgins and the CV staff thinks about this brawl!

Voting for the first edition of the 'Comic Vine Battle of the Week' has come to an end! There are so many great matches to choose from and I'm stoked to use them down the road, but I thought Daredevil vs. Nightwing was an excellent way to kick things off. Both are hugely skilled, incredibly agile and use similar melee weapons. However, there are a few key differences between the two and that's what makes this battle so debatable. Over the week, 480+ Viners voted and plenty dove into extended debates on this battle between two heroes. The results are in and, while it was certainly close, Daredevil is the winner!

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The Man without Fear earned 52% of the votes, while Dick Grayson took 42% and 5% thought it was a stalemate. I must say, I agree with the majority on this one. While there's no doubt this would be a superb melee to watch, I think Daredevil's superior displays of skill (far more frequent use of nerve strikes) and impressive reflexes (regularly cuts and deflects bullets) would let him edge out a victory. Yes, Grayson has a massive variety of gear on his side, but in a one-on-one fight, he's not exactly prone to using the more dangerous options (sonics, suit taser, etc) unless they're absolutely required. Sure, Grayson's obviously a superior detective and it is definitely possible he'd pick up on Matt's enhanced senses over time, but I think it's more probable Daredevil's technique would overcome before Grayson detects his weakness or can utilize the game changing resources he has. That said, the longer this fight goes on, the more it'll shift in Grayson's favor. It's by no means a stomp for either character and it's definitely a solid fight. A reasonable argument can be made for either hero, but in this case, the majority and I side with Daredevil!

Viner Argument of the Week

There were plenty of great arguments made for both characters and every week I'm going to highlight one in favor of the winning character. This week, I'm picking one by Comic Vine mod god_spawn. It's concise and manages to address quite a few key points.

"Daredevil. He's already shown better reflexes, close agility feats, better strength feats IMO, and DD's shown better skill feats. If you want to compare to top tier fighters so bad, Nightwing has been wrecked twice by Bane. He couldn't even touch Bruce when Bruce didn't want him to. And Nightwing has been given tough fights from Jason Todd. Whereas Daredevil has given Captain America good fights, Iron Fist good fights IIRC, and given Wolverine a good fight. People seem to think just because Dick was trained by Batman seems to make people believe that they are the cream of the crop when it comes to skilled fighting just because of that which is completely false. By that logic, Tim Drake would be in the top of DC and Nightwing isn't in there either. Nightwing does not always resort to his gear. Getting space from DD will be extremely difficult considering the radar sense will keep him one step ahead of Dick in terms of action and reaction. Just because Nightwing has something does not mean he will use it."

I think Daredevil wins, but what about some of the other Comic Vine staffers?

Corey ' Undeadpool' Schroeder:

"I think this is Daredevil's fight to lose. He's got the ninja training, he's got the radar senses but much more importantly: he's got the raw experience. It's something that not a lot of people are going to realize, I feel, but Murdock's in his mid thirties while Nightwing is still a pup in his very early 20s. So while Nightwing may have his body-language reads, Daredevil has almost the same thing with his heightened senses, but ol' Hornhead's very simply put in far more hours and that's something that can be neither taught nor bought. Daredevil all the way."

Jen 'MissJ' Aprahamian:

"I'm going to have to go with Nightwing on this one, although it's an incredibly close match. My "Deadliest Warrior" style battle synopsis looks like this: Nightwing would kick things off with an early ranged attack to assess his opponent's abilities, but Daredevil's radar sense would give him an early edge, and Nightwing's initial attacks (likely with batarangs and bolos) would be easily rebuffed. Nightwing, being an ultra-keen observer (as seen in NIGHTWING #19 and #20), would notice Daredevil's incredible reflexes, but would also identify things that other opponents might not -- including Daredevil's blindness. At this point, things would go hand-to-hand (with Daredevil bringing out the billy club as needed, and Nightwing countering with escrima sticks), and we'd get a beautiful, acrobatic fight. Daredevil would grab the upper hand and deliver a sound beating to Nightwing, but during the confrontation, Nightwing would catch onto Daredevil's other heightened senses. In order to grab the win, he'd briefly stun Daredevil with electrified escrima sticks and then use a sonic batarang to push Daredevil into sensory overload. And, of course, he'd stick the landing."

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And what does Kyle Higgins, the current writer of NIGHTWING, think about this fight?

"In my opinion, it all depends on how quick (if at all) Nightwing can figure out that Daredevil relies on heightened senses/radar. If he can deduce that, he's a few gadgets away from screwing with DD's navigation system enough to make it a fight. Of course, there's also the variable of "what kind of mood is Mark Waid in while he's writing this" (come on, is there ANYONE else you'd rather see write this fight?!?). I'm pretty sure he could come up with sixteen clever ways to take down either character without the other breaking a sweat."

Lastly, here's a hint for next week's battle. Check the homepage on Monday to see who's facing off next!

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Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. This is the part where he shamelessly plugs his Twitter page in hopes of getting a new follower or two.

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I think I underestimated nightwing a little, but I still knew Daredevil would win.

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Power - skill

Power + skill > skill

Being human is a disability

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Yup just as I figured the case would be. DD had this for sure, a close battle, but victory to Murdock nevertheless.

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How is Dick going to just figure out DD is blind if he shows no signs of being blind at all?

When EVER do we see the use of a sonic batarang, how often is it the 'go to' choice when a fight starts?

I'd say Dick doesn't even figure out he's blind, or his senses have been boosted, and fights him as if he were a regular, highly skilled human man..

..who kicks his [butt].

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Edited By Darkseid_Prime

Deathstroke hands down. A better fight would have been Deathstroke vs Taskmaster or Deadpool (obviously). But if done right it'd showcase a martial arts master/highly trained weapons expert... And a guy who has heightened human physical and mental conditioning. Captain America was a frail Army reject who was given the Super Soldier Serum who then somehow got a reputation as a skilled fighter without anyone asking question "how did he learn that and where?" Slade Wilson on the other hand is a BAMF. They both were used by the army to create a super-soldier but the big difference is that Deathstoke actually kicked ass prior to his encounter with any serum; and then he got even better! Cap's shield vs Slade's swordsmanship and Nth Metal armor will be a pretty sweet mix up, Hell even if it's mano y mano, that would be equally sweet! Sure maybe over time Cap learned a few things, but he's a judo-boxer-kickboxer vs The Terminator. I'm ok with eating crow here, we're all commenting for the love of comics.. now I'm just mad it's not actually happening.

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@supermanjohnathankentjr: Honestly I have no idea. I've seen scans before where Deathstroke was fighting Batman and gained an upper hand (and at some point he donned the cowl for some reason? *shrugs*). I'm not really that familiar with DS. The general feeling that I get on websites such as this is that DS can defeat Batman, even if only barely.

Now if all this is wrong, so be it. :p It doesn't matter that much to me lol

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Nightwing should have won...

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@hart7668 said:

If it is indeed Captain America vs Deathstroke, I feel that by @k4tzm4n's own analysis of Bats vs Cap being a straight out draw, we would be inclined to give the victory to Deathstroke. From what I have found to be said around forums and websites such as this one is that Deathstroke has beaten Batman quite handily more often than not. Now, if that's simply not true, then we could still have a fight on our hands; however, if it is true, then wouldn't Deathstroke beat someone who was the equal of a man he has beaten plenty times before?

Which comics did he beat Batman?

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Deathstroke easily..About NW vs DD.... Everyone said about DD's radar and reflexes advantages but Nightwing smarter and tougher than DD... and Nightwing still young not in his prie but DD is.... still NW has chance...Sonic Batarangs and electrified escrima sticks... Nightwing take but hard way DD is a special match up for everyone

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@isaac_clarke: K4tz has been pretty good about that. From doing the "Does Batman Always Win?" idea and now this and letting us vote on who would win or which character we want to see. Plus, letting us vote on which are the best battles in comics of each week.

Thanks, I do what I can.

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Nightwing is incredibly skilled. he trained since childhood and even replaced the dark knight himself for awhile. A battle tween Bruce(Dicks trainer) and Matt I think will be overwhelmingly Bats dominated. That being said Matt takes it. The big diff tween Dick and Bruce is bruce on his off hours imagines and trains for every possible situation and trap so he'll never be surprised and already did the prep for everything he can imagine, Dick and Matt on off hours try to have lives and get laid. While bruce has a fannypack of gadgets Dick carrys far fewer. Matts phys skills and experience take this. Both Matt and Dick trained from childhood, and both stopped and are stunted by only seeking one master so Matts super powers put him way over the top by a mile. Unlike Bruce and Matt Dick lacks the killer edge to win at all costs and is genuinely good natured.

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Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@isaac_clarke: K4tz has been pretty good about that. From doing the "Does Batman Always Win?" idea and now this and letting us vote on who would win or which character we want to see. Plus, letting us vote on which are the best battles in comics of each week.

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@god_spawn: I guess I've been out of the loop - looks like Vine's a lot more interactive these days - which is a good thing in my book.

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Wait we have a battle of the week now?

Yup. Was voted in a week ago.

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Wait we have a battle of the week now?

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I'm divided. I agree that Daredevil is a superior combatant but if Nightwing had any knowledge of Daredevils heightened sense, it would go in his favor. So I guess I'm leaving this up to conditions. But in a random, one-on-one fight, yeah, DD has it.

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If it is indeed Captain America vs Deathstroke, I feel that by @k4tzm4n's own analysis of Bats vs Cap being a straight out draw, we would be inclined to give the victory to Deathstroke. From what I have found to be said around forums and websites such as this one is that Deathstroke has beaten Batman quite handily more often than not. Now, if that's simply not true, then we could still have a fight on our hands; however, if it is true, then wouldn't Deathstroke beat someone who was the equal of a man he has beaten plenty times before?

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@g_money_christmas said:

Is that War Machine and who else? Captain America? I voted Daredevil and I argued his victory as much as I could.

Also, these aren't DC vs. Marvel battles, are they? They're just whoever you'd like to see in a fight?

I'm pretty sure it's Captain America Vs Deathstroke

I think it might be Deadshot vs Cable. But either way I'm happy with it.

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There's an awful lot of butt hurt in this thread.

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@queso6p4 said:

Hmm. Nicely done. I like the coherent feel these matches have.

Thank you.

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@bluevalleykid: and DD is blind, but he can sense bullets moving through the air and hear the rats in the sewer half a block away. What's your point?

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yep DD reigns supreme!

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nice analysis i agree

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@azazel66 said:

He couldn't even touch Bruce when Bruce didn't want him to.....when did this happen?

Batman #600.

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Once sonic batarangs were mentioned, Grayson won this. They're something bat-folk commonly have on them, and they would give Nightwibg the advantage easy. It would be an almost equal fight with daredevil gaining ground until Dick figures out his blindness, which he would in time.

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Hmm. Nicely done. I like the coherent feel these matches have.

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the next one is cap vs

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I think it's Cyborg and War Machine , War machine fits , but the left looks to bulky to be Capt.A so I think it could be Cyborg .

And I agree with DD , providing its not Ben Affleck ;P

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I don't know much about DD and wouldn't say I'm a fan (I actually thought the movie was OK and like the character enough but don't read his comics), but I think he would have the edge here. I don't really see any way Nightwing would detect that he is blind or relies on sonar quickly enough for it to count.

And despite Nightwing being trained by Bruce, Shiva and whoever else, it sounds like Daredevil is still a better martial artist, based on the level of foes he can keep up with.

Deathstroke vs Cap next? It's gotta be 'Stroke by a mile. Superhuman vs peak human is pretty obvious.

Unfortunately many people are of the opinion that Captain America is also Superhuman, or at least Enhanced Human which isn't supported by much. Makes any battle article not worth much if it isn't clarified.

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He couldn't even touch Bruce when Bruce didn't want him to.....when did this happen?

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*cough* "sonics!" *cough cough*

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This is going to be a really cool series if it continues in this format. Extremely fair analyses all round. I voted Daredevil but I was close to thinking Nightwing. I don't think it's fair that Nightwing hasn't been able to touch Batman, that makes him seem a much lower level combatant than I thought him to be.

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Daredevil wins this.

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While I did argue my heart out for Nightwing, I'm not upset that Daredevil won. He's an elite combatant who has taken on opponents generally thought to be out of his league. As for next week's match-up, I'm going to have to do a lot of re-reading.

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How is Daredevil being middle-aged going to be an advantage against someone like Nightwing?

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My best guess is Ultimate Captain America vs Deathstroke.

God I hope so. Ultimate Captain America with Weapons vs Deathstroke with Weapons is always a great battle.

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@k4tzm4n: ah. I still think Cap'll win. Mostly because ever since Brad Meltzer Deathstroke has been an overrated fighter & his character has just been all over the place.

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@dj1107 said:

@blackcobalt: I thought these battles were about which were the best written series? Because if that the case Cap wins.

No, sir.

Per the first article:

Welcome to the first Comic Vine Battle of the Week! Every Monday I'll create a battle and you'll have until Friday morning to debate who will win and cast your vote! Please try your best to avoid making this a popularity contest. Leave bias at the door and cast your vote with an open and informed mind. Who you like more is totally irrelevant. This is all about who you think would legitimately win in a fight based on the following rules. First up, we have a battle between two extremely agile heroes: Daredevil and Nightwing!

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@blackcobalt: I thought these battles were about which were the best written series? Because if that the case Cap wins.

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Deathstroke vs Cap next? It's gotta be 'Stroke by a mile. Superhuman vs peak human is pretty obvious.

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nightwing would stomp DD

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Captain America all the way.

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