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Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Movie Dredd vs. Movie Batman

Firepower takes on skill. Who's left standing?

I won't lie, I REALLY wanted to use movie Wolverine this week to coincide with his latest movie, but I was having trouble finding a properly balanced match. So, instead of me rushing a blatantly unfair match out right now, expect me to use him sometime down the road and hopefully it'll be worth the wait and way more balanced. But for now, it's time to place raw firepower against tactical skill!

Karl Urban's Judge Dredd is packing quite a firearm with a lot different ammunition options (explosive, stun, incendiary, etc) and he briefly proved he's a brutal yet effective hand-to-hand combatant when he faced a fellow judge. Also, the opening scene shows he's definitely a good shot. However, Christian Bale's Batman has impressive stealth abilities, his own variety of nonlethal gear and his skill certainly shouldn't to be underestimated.

Will Dredd's lethal advantages overcome The Dark Knight or does this setting allow Batman to eventually knockout or incapacitate the Judge?

Comic Vine Battle of the Week Rules

  • Combatants are in character (both sides think the other is a villain).
  • This is a random encounter.
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated and at night and all standard city lights remain on. Assume they start roughly 50 feet apart and visible. However, there's a fair amount of cover between them (parked vehicles and such). The entire area is on limits. This means alleys, rooftops, building interiors, etc.
  • Batman is in his prime condition.
  • All characters have standard gear.
  • Incapacitation, knockout or death all count as elimination.

CLICK HERE TO VOTE!!!

Yes, I previously wrote an article on this battle, but that's just my opinion and it was still hugely divided. This now gives YOU the chance to determine the winner. You all have until NEXT Friday to research the characters, debate and vote!

Friday's update will include one Viner's argument for the winning character (only posts in the poll thread will be considered *link above*), the staff's thoughts and if we're extra lucky, thoughts from writers, artists and others in the industry! Viners, it's understandable that debates over "who would win?" can get heated, but please try to keep the conversations informative and not personal.

Feel free to make future match suggestions in the comments below or via Gregg's Twitter page.

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Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse

Awesome.

Posted by Pokergeist

Dread. Going with Movie Dread.

  1. He Kills.
  2. Has every conceivable weapons advantage.
  3. Good Shot.
  4. Competent and tactical.
  5. Range > Close Combat in the real world kiddies.

Dread has this, even if he had only one movie to Nolan's three.

Posted by The Average Bear

I know Batman had that scene where he dodged automatic gunfire in TDKR (and it was kinda silly) but I don't see him dodging Dredds firepower. Dredd wins

Posted by _Cerberus_

Yah it's pretty obvious here

Batman wins if he can use stealth

Dredd wins in any other scenario where he isn't taken out by stealth.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@k4tzm4n Didn't you do this match up already?

Posted by ThorBoy

Dredd wins. The bat gimp isn't going to do a whole lot against that kind of firepower. Love batman but not this lame " I'm going to retire for ten years" version of batman.

Posted by spideybigtime

Batman uses device from TDKR that causes all city lights to go off.Comes up behind Dredd and tries to take him down,shoots Batman.Batman's armor holds and he uses a "bat-dart" to finish off Dredd.

Edited by dadarkknight36310

@cadencev2: Without his special gun Dredd is a shell of himself. Also Dredd is not a villain he only kills criminals not innocent people, so that point is mute. He is only a good shot because his gun does all the work for him. He also refuses to use anybody gun other than his own that was given to him. Bats was trained by the league of shadows.

Edited by _Cerberus_

@cadencev2: Without his special gun Dredd is a shell of himself. Also Dredd is not a villian he only kills criminals not innocent people, so that point is mute. He a good shot because his gun does all the work for him. He refuses to use anybody elses gun, he only use the gun that was given to him. Bats was trained by the league of shadows.

Batman is a vigilante, vigilantes are criminals which need to be arrested

resisting arrest and attacking a Judge is penalty of Death.

Posted by Pokergeist

@dadarkknight36310 said:

@cadencev2: Without his special gun Dredd is a shell of himself. Also Dredd is not a villian he only kills criminals not innocent people, so that point is mute. He a good shot because his gun does all the work for him. He refuses to use anybody elses gun, he only use the gun that was given to him. Bats was trained by the league of shadows.

Batman is a vigilante, vigilantes are criminals which need to be arrested

resisting arrest and attacking a Judge is penalty of Death.

Pretty much, nice try to twist logic to fit your argument though.

Edited by Hawkguy

This is by far my favorite showdown to date.

In gonna go with too close to call. The way I see it, a lot depends on which firing mode dredd decides to use right off the go. If it's explosive or auto fire I don't see Bruce dodging it, and I don't see dredd missing. What could happen is batman throws a batarang, which would give him some time to close the distance or think of something else to do, like run to cover to sneak up on dredd, shoot his grapple at dredd and pull him in or whatever.

Now at a close distance we need to remember it is slow and firm fighting batman here, so I'd say the two men of justice are fairly evenly matched with a slight edge here for bruce, do to the years of training. That and the fact that dredd only really wrestled with another judge in the film, we didn't get to see the most in depth hand to hand. Both have a high pain tolerance but dredd doesn't have any lines he can't cross, so that willingness to kill will make him more aggressive and dangerous in terms of finding a means to end the fight.

I see it being a split down the middle here. Awesome fight, in the end, justice wins

Posted by SlickyMike88

Dredd is ............THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!, so I vote vote for Dredd.

Posted by AllStarSuperman

I have to finally get around to seeing dredd.

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Posted by Batmanikk

Well, I love Batman. And it's un-deniable that for a while he would take the lead . However this is an occasion where I must admit that the judge,jury and executioner would win.A huge thing to bare in mind is that quite often in the trilogy, Bruce's emotions get the better of him. And though he kicks ass hard, dredd kicks it harder.

So my vote is for dredd.

Oh and is there any chance of getting a Toby Maguire VS Andrew Garfield Spider-Man? I think that would be cool to see how the votes would balance out

Edited by Jonny_Anonymous

@allstarsuperman: Yes you do

Well, I love Batman. And it's un-deniable that for a while he would take the lead . However this is an occasion where I must admit that the judge,jury and executioner would win.A huge thing to bare in mind is that quite often in the trilogy, Bruce's emotions get the better of him. And though he kicks ass hard, dredd kicks it harder.

So my vote is for dredd.

Oh and is there any chance of getting a Toby Maguire VS Andrew Garfield Spider-Man? I think that would be cool to see how the votes would balance out

Andrew has only had one film where as Toby has had three, it would kind of be unfair, it would also turn in to a popularity contest with pepole hating on "Amazing" because it's a reboot

Posted by ZZoMBiE13

Vigilantism is against THE LAW!

Seriously, I love the Batman. But there's just no way he takes a fight against DREDD.

Edited by Pokergeist

@jonny_anonymous said:

@allstarsuperman: Yes you do

@batmanikk said:

Well, I love Batman. And it's un-deniable that for a while he would take the lead . However this is an occasion where I must admit that the judge,jury and executioner would win.A huge thing to bare in mind is that quite often in the trilogy, Bruce's emotions get the better of him. And though he kicks ass hard, dredd kicks it harder.

So my vote is for dredd.

Oh and is there any chance of getting a Toby Maguire VS Andrew Garfield Spider-Man? I think that would be cool to see how the votes would balance out

Andrew has only had one film where as Toby has had three, it would kind of be unfair, it would also turn in to a popularity contest with pepole hating on "Amazing" because it's a reboot

Except Amazing Spider Man really does suks compared to the Toby 1 and 2 Movies.

Posted by Dextersinister

Starting visible gives Dredd a massive edge

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@jonny_anonymous said:

@allstarsuperman: Yes you do

@batmanikk said:

Well, I love Batman. And it's un-deniable that for a while he would take the lead . However this is an occasion where I must admit that the judge,jury and executioner would win.A huge thing to bare in mind is that quite often in the trilogy, Bruce's emotions get the better of him. And though he kicks ass hard, dredd kicks it harder.

So my vote is for dredd.

Oh and is there any chance of getting a Toby Maguire VS Andrew Garfield Spider-Man? I think that would be cool to see how the votes would balance out

Andrew has only had one film where as Toby has had three, it would kind of be unfair, it would also turn in to a popularity contest with pepole hating on "Amazing" because it's a reboot

Except Amazing Spider Man really does suks compared to the Toby 1 and 2 Movies.

No, no it does not.

Posted by Phaedrusgr
Edited by Pokergeist

I think the first 2 movies of Toby Spider Man were awesome as hell. Amazing Spider Man felt like a hollow shadow.

Thats me and many others I know.

Posted by BullPR

-Overall attitude in front of the danger:

I was particularly impressed by Dredd debriefing at the end of the movie. The Batman used in this battle has never been confronted to what seems to be "routine" for Dredd.

Dredd has my vote

-Weapons used in the movie

Clear advantage for Dredd. In addition, Dredd will not have to tag several times Batman to end the fight: he is a killer. A legal one. But a killer anyway.

-Protection/defense:

Could go either way. Maybe a slight advantage for Batman (the actual resistance of Batman armor is an ongoing debate), but Dredd durability is impressive: remember how it took care of his wounds.

-Technology

Future vs near SiFi gadgets.

Could go either way.

-Prep, intelligence, tactics

Batman. But this is a random encounter. Fighting skills are more important

In summary: in the conditions of this battle, Dredd has my vote.

Posted by _Cerberus_
Posted by The Stegman

I would have used movie Wolverine vs the Amazing Spider-Man

Posted by sanityisoverrated

I would love to see a match up with Hellboy involved. Maybe Hellboy and Etrigan? Just throwing that out there.

Edited by texasdeathmatch

Dredd. One solid shot to the chest should do it.

Posted by darkwingdan

I love Batman, but this is so one-sided it isn't even funny. Movie Dredd takes this one.

Posted by McHotcakes

Yeah movie Bats doesn't stand a chance.

Dredd wins.

Posted by Shallbecomeabattoo

@cadencev2: Yeah, because Batman never faced anyone with a great arsenal, who was a good shot and tried to kill him at the same time. What a stupid argument.

List some feats that show that he is superior to Bats (which he isn't) and then we can talk. He only has his firearm skills, which aren't exactly WOW and shows not much hand to hand combat skill. The first other judge who attacks him gives him a pretty hard fight, while Bruce is depicted fighting 9 or ten guys at the same time and taking them out.

Bruce also shows that he can dogde gunfire with ease, no matter the range. Remember in TDKR, Bruce dodges a guy firing at him with an AK, who is merely a few feet aways.

Posted by Nerd Of A Hero

Both ways actually. Dredd will shoot Bats at a distance and has a many gun funtions at his desposal.

But if Batman can somehow get close, and take him on h2h then it'll go to TDK.

Posted by lesterlawton

Dredd. Batman takes a mag to the chest mid-growl.

Posted by thenexusrebound

I love Batman, but movie Batman is not his comic self. Dredd has so many special rounds that it would be hard for Batman to get the drop.

Edited by Pokergeist

@shallbecomeabattoo said:

@cadencev2: Yeah, because Batman never faced anyone with a great arsenal, who was a good shot and tried to kill him at the same time. What a stupid argument.

List some feats that show that he is superior to Bats (which he isn't) and then we can talk. He only has his firearm skills, which aren't exactly WOW and shows not much hand to hand combat skill. The first other judge who attacks him gives him a pretty hard fight, while Bruce is depicted fighting 9 or ten guys at the same time and taking them out.

Bruce also shows that he can dogde gunfire with ease, no matter the range. Remember in TDKR, Bruce dodges a guy firing at him with an AK, who is merely a few feet aways.

Wow, you showed me with that comment of Batman facing someone with a superior arsenal..... wait, who did he fight that had the power of a Law Giver again?

People bring up the Dread getting shot. No crap he was shot. He ran out of Ammo and then was shot through a wall by anti vehicle rounds from another highly trained Judge!

Batman is not dodging what he cannot see either. Dread not only lives through this huge damaging shot, but fights on just fine.

Dread also has Gas Grenades and fights just fine in smoke conditions. He also has Super Flash Bangs that affect you whether you look at it or not!

Dread skill is alot better than ANY thug Nolan Batman fought with a gun!

Then you have this round which is a instant win one shot wonder. Incendiary! Skip to 1:00

How is Batman dealing with a burning death or suffocation from no oxygen/burning lungs?

Deal with guys, Dread has way too much bang to lose here.

Edited by AlKusanagi

Comic Batman would take this, but movie Bat-thug? No chance in hell. Executed!

Posted by WaveMotionCannon
Posted by kaiklown

Batman

Because he is the god damn Batman

Edited by iaconpoint

I thought we already did this one as well. Anyway, the Nolan Batman was, to me, the most underwhelming Batman of all. Joker killed lots and lots of people during Dark Knight but because of what he did to Harvey Dent, Batman lets the cops blame three deaths on him, retires early, needs a cane to get around and gets his ass royally kicked by Bane a week out of retirement. Dredd wouldn't have gone down like that. He survived a machine gun assault that leveled an entire floor, the blatenly walked out and executed an upper lever thug right in front of Ma Ma just to show her who's boss, then made her take her own drug before executing her the same way. I love Batman, but Dredd is the clear winner here. No question in my mind.

Posted by FireThunder

Movie batman couldn't beat bane in TDKR in a random battle. Dredd takes this.

Edited by SpitfireINK

[Bruce won't push the envelope to punish the guilty, Dredd will.

Attacking a Judge would warrant a judgment of Death.]

After a heated fist-to-fist battle of aerobatics and gadget slinging glory ...

Batman attempts to flee to fight another day (as he would never intentionally assault an officer of the law or beat someone to death - and Dredd just won't stop). Using his grapple gun, Batman gains some distance from Dredd and mounts his Bat-pod. Fast on the Bats heels, Dredd continues his pursuit as he also climbs aboard his motorcycle, intent on delivering judgment. Bruce contacts Alfred to aid him in eluding the lawman, exclaiming to Alfred "Alfred, get the Bat ready!"

In a blur of whipping and winding through the city streets, Batman turns to take Dredd head on in a last ditch effort to avoid further conflict. Separated by only a few city blocks, tires squeal, motorcycles rear, and rubber burns as they speed toward each other at full speed.

Dredd shoots the Bat square between the eyes and runs him over ...

twice for good measure ... end of story.

Edited by Shallbecomeabattoo

@cadencev2: the lawgiver is. just.a.gun. Sure, he has a lot of different ammo, but thats it. Also Batman could take it out easily with his EMP, since it is a highly computerized weapon.

Not one of those scenes you showed shows that he is as good a shot as you make him out to be. He is a good shot, but he also does only face goons and morons in the film until he is face to face with a Judge and then gets almost killed instantly.

The League of shadow goons and ninjas are highly trained and all way abouve the level Dredd takes on in the movie (apart from Judges of course) and Bruce takes out 9-10 of them at a time, without using a weapon.

You can post videos all you want, as soon as Bats gets close to Dredd, and he will, its lights out in seconds. Dredd shows almost no hand to hand combat skills in the movie. If Bruce gets close, Dredd is done.

Posted by DWrathborne

@dadarkknight36310: he used the other judges gun in the movie iirc

Nah, he just took his ammo. The Lawgivers are keyed to each Judge's individual genetic code IIRC, and can't be used by anyone aside from the Judge it has been coded for.

Edited by Pokergeist

@shallbecomeabattoo:

the lawgiver is. just.a.gun. Sure, he has a lot of different ammo, but thats it. Also Batman could take it out easily with his EMP, since it is a highly computerized weapon.

Show me Nolan Batman using EMP. He never had that in any movie except the Cell Phone Device he made with prep in DK. Prep, this is a random battle.

Not one of those scenes you showed shows that he is as good a shot as you make him out to be. He is a good shot, but he also does only face goons and morons in the film until he is face to face with a Judge and then gets killed almost instantly.

I will not say Dredd is anywhere near Bullseye, Deadshot, or even close to Punisher. He is as good a shot as you expect from Special Forces. A reason Special Forces can kill 20 AK wielding Taliban to there 1 M-4 wielding member.

Expert Qualifying Marksmen and Serious Training.

The League of shadow goons and ninjas are highly trained and all way abouve the level Dredd takes on in the movie (apart from Judges of course) and Bruce takes out 9-10 of them at a time, without using a weapon.

I will not argue the League being as high quality as Judges. However the League also opted for 18th century Ninja weapons (Swords, Knives, Smoke Bombs, ect) over the Future high tech gear, cameras always on Dredd reporting his every move, and range firepower of the many criminals Dredd faced.

You can post videos all you want, as soon as Bats gets close to Dredd, and he will, its lights out in seconds. Dredd shows almost no hand to hand combat skills in the movie. If Bruce gets close, Dredd is done.

If this was Dark Knight Batman (The best Batman movie ever) I agree. However this is the 10 year retired and already facing health problems Dark Knight Rising version. He had loads of problems with the self train Cat Woman and the brawler Bane (who himself was like in his 60s!) and was not that impressive. He could still maybe take it, but the problem is getting in H2H.

Dredd has too many tech toys to keep that from happening.

Edited by karbacca

Stalemate. They both just fight criminals, and since neither one of them would be breaking a law, they wouldn't fight. Maybe they would shake hands and walk away, that's about it.

Edited by Pokergeist

@karbacca said:

Stalemate. They both just fight criminals, and since neither one of them would be breaking a law, they wouldn't fight. Maybe they would shake hands and walk away, that's about it.

Actually Dredd is 100% about the Law and the Law says Vigilantism is a big Law Breaker.

Dredd would absolutely kill Bats for this crime.

Edited by heroesgold

Going with Dredd, Batman in the Nolan verse didn't impress me at all.

Edited by Jayc1324

All dress is is a guy with a gun. Batman takes on those all the time. And he's a smart tactician

Posted by CODYSF

Batman will be choking on Dredd gun to his grave.

Edited by iaconpoint

@kaiklown: Christian Bale Batman is the gosh-darn, rootin' tootin' Batman though.

Posted by Elzio1

This is very tough for me to choose, this fight could go either way, but I see Batman taking the majority, seeing Dredd movie, I observed that he is a good shot, but he's not so fast, the amount of cover between the combatants are enough to give Batman the edge (he could probably make it a stealth takedown too, given how he's able to disappear from everyone's sight) I also believe that Bruce is more versatile and has many ways of incapacitating the Judge with his gadgets (smoke bombs, grappling gun) if he can get close to Dredd his superior skill in martial arts will defeat the Judge, but still, it won't be easy, Dredd is tough as nails and very clever.

Batman wins with a slight majority 6/10

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