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Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Movie Black Widow vs. TV Green Arrow

The skilled spy takes on the accurate archer! Who's left standing? Well, that's up to you!

Last week we had our first tie, and this week we have our first battle between live action versions of characters! Both combatants can completely humiliate numerous gunmen by their lonesome, have displayed solid hand-to-hand abilities and have superb agility. But what would happen if they were forced to battle one another? Who would win if Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow took on Stephen Amell's Green Arrow?

Before this madness kicks off, there's a key thing or two I'd like to address (since I've seen the argument used many times):

"BLACK WIDOW BEAT DA HAWKEYE SO SHE BEATZ DA GREEN ARROW!"

She beat "da mind controlled Hawkeye" and, if my memory serves me right, Nick Fury even implied Clint was holding back because he shot him in the kevlar vest and not in the head. But more importantly, she beat him in a rather confined space and in close proximity. The scenario here is far different. Now, this is by no means attempting to discredit her feat. Dodging Clint's arrow is certainly impressive and worthy of noting regardless of the factors, but that statement alone hardly justifies a majority. Oh, and it shouldn't need to be said, but just because she survived a hit from the Hulk doesn't mean anything less won't hurt her -- don't be silly.

And on the other side of things: while Arrow has plenty of awesome accuracy feats, the dude has indeed missed at times, too. Given Natasha's agility and skill, I think this could prove to be very interesting. Even if you think the winner is obvious, I hope the battle is at least fun to think about.

Viners, leave the terrible one-liners at the door and bring your A game to this debate! Think a character clearly takes it? Elaborate, be reasonable and you just may be picked for the next "Viner Argument of the Week!" And that alone is worth over 9,000 internet points, right?

EXPLOSIONS VS. SADNESS

Comic Vine Battle of the Week Rules

  • Combatants are in character (both sides think the other is a villain).
  • This is a random encounter.
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated and at night. Assume they start roughly 50 feet apart and visible. There's a fair amount of cover between them.
  • All characters have standard gear (for Black Widow, this includes everything she used in Iron Man 2 and Marvel's The Avengers).
  • Incapacitation, knockout or death all count as elimination.

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Voting will remain open until NEXT MONDAY MORNING (ET). Why Monday instead of the usual Friday? It's because we'll be swamped at SDCC later this week! Please keep in mind voting remains open for awhile you can research the characters and read the debates presented for both sides. I know it's easy to vote for the side you like more, but please try to have adequate information on both characters before casting your vote.

Monday's update will include one Viner's argument for the winning team (only posts in the poll thread will be considered *link above*), the staff's thoughts and if we're extra lucky, thoughts from writers, artists and others in the industry! Viners, it's understandable that debates over "who would win?" can get heated, but please try to keep the conversations informative and not personal.

Feel free to make future match suggestions in the comments below or via Gregg's Twitter page.

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Posted by TheManInTheShoe

Don't watch Arrow, so my vote goes to BW

Edited by EdwardWindsor

Black widow she has the advantage in hand to hand and she has more firepower in a direct ranged fight. Arrow would have to pick his moment to get a good shot in as he could easily be pinned down by Widows pistols allowing her to close gap and disarm him. I think Widow takes it 6/4 (at least) arrow could one shot her with a well placed arrow but Widow can do damage with her guns, h2h and has been shown to carry some shield devices such as in her corridor fight scene in ironman 2 which adds to her arsenal even more.

Lets also not forget she is familiar with a a skilled bowman and has beaten and disarmed him in direct combat in avengers.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous
Edited by cameron83

I think Widow being that she excels in combat (look how she did with the Chitauri. Now I know they aren't skilled fighters,but she certainly did more than well against them,especially disarming them in a fight and using their weaponry against them,defeating a group of guys while tied up in a chair in a matter of minutes.She is also very acrobatic and has quite the agility,as showed by jumping off caps shield and in her fight with hawkeye and jumping from the chitauri speeder onto a building at fast speeds)

Also,IMO,Hawkye>GA,but that has absolutely no relevance....nah,I like them both equally....I don't even know why I said that.

Anyway,she is CERTAINLY able to keep up,even defeat him with her combat skills,speed,etc...

The main problem is his arrows. Unless they ricochet,she would have no problem dodging them with her speed,acrobatic skill,etc...unless they ricochet....although he will be difficult in terms of combat.

Posted by AllStarSuperman

@edwardwindsor: arrow could down like 25 guys at a safe house. That beats black widows hallway fight.

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Posted by doombot890

hahahaha come on this is no contest widow wins! for one she has tons and tons of experience over CW's Oli

also wouldnt you think since she works with an archer she'd have a top ten ways to own an archer?

Posted by Justthatkid

I might be biased because some of the things that go on in Arrow I despise, the comic version of the character's I'd say Black Widow and if you mean if they kill there eliminated I'd probably say Arrow will be eliminated since he seems to be highly good at killing.... But it would have to be fancy shots and nothing straight that she can easily avoid.

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Edited by Ghidoran

@themanintheshoe: If you don't know enough about the other contestant you shouldn't vote at all...

Edited by EdwardWindsor

@allstarsuperman: 20 random guys in a safe house < beating Hawkeye. Widow has a greater range of abilities and equipment and has feats against a quality archer. Arrow has no decent feats against a widow level threat.

Posted by cameron83

@allstarsuperman: 20 random guys in a safe house < beating Hawkeye widow has a greater range of abilities and equipment and has feats against a quality archer.

Well Hawkeye WAS holding back,but I think that her destroying an entire hallway of guys in a closed hallway,beating a group of guys while tied up in a matter of minutes,easily taking on Chitauri,etc....but GA has also done VERY impressive things,but he was losing to a woman with blonde hair (don't know her name,she was Asian if that helps) that had impressive skill and speed.But that was in the open,if that has any relevancy,and again,he still does have VERY impressive showings.

Edited by The Stegman

It's obvious this battle is gonna be heavily biased from the beginning due to people

A. Not watching Arrow, thus being ignorant to Oliver's skills

or

B. Not liking Arrow and picking Widow simply because they like her better.

The truth is, Oliver has her outclassed in almost every category.

Let’s go over Black Widow’s feats shall we? She:

1. Took down some nameless, fodder guards in Iron Man 2

2. Took down more fodder mobsters in Avengers while tied up (Something Ollie also does in the early episodes)

3. Beat Clint Barton, though since they were fighting in an enclosed location, he was at the disadvantage as he couldn’t fully extend his bow to fire arrows accurately. I’m bringing this up because I know others will compare this fight to say that since Natasha beat Clint, she could beat Ollie.

4. Took on the Chitari who had no real feats to show that they were physical superior to humans besides jumping from their ships to the sides of buildings (maybe a twelve foot leap I’d say)

And really that’s it. Now Ollie:

1. Like Natasha, he beats nameless fodder thugs, only he does it on a weekly basis. He has even beaten people while being at a disadvantage, as in “Vertigo” he was heavily drugged yet managed to take down a stairwell full of guards with little difficulty.

2. Unlike Natasha, who fights mostly fodder characters with the exception of Clint, Ollie routinely fights people who are well trained in martial arts, whether it was his training with Slade on the island, or him fighting and eventually beating China White, Helena Bertinelli and Malcolm Merlyn upon later encounters.

3. He is arguably more acrobatic than her as he regularly uses parkour and free jumping to get from location to location. He also dodges bullets with ease, even from someone who is a master marksman like Deadshot.

4. His physical stats are far superior to Natasha’s. As a man he is physically stronger than her and spends most of his days training his body to increase his strength. For Stamina, he once chased down Helena Bertinelli on foot while she was riding a motorcycle and almost caught her if not for a truck blocking his path at the last minute.

5. His long distance weapons, aka, his archery skills are more impressive than Natasha’s. He has been shown to be a great archer, hardly ever missing his target, even when drugged, injured or moving. His accuracy doesn’t end with arrows either, as he was shown to be able to kill someone by simply throwing a kitchen knife. He also regularly uses Flechettes as darts to otherwise disarm or incapacitate people he doesn’t want dead with great accuracy.

Ollie wins.

Posted by Wolverine08

It's obvious this battle is gonna be heavily biased from the beginning due to people

A. Not watching Arrow, thus being ignorant to Oliver's skills

or

B. Not liking Arrow and picking Widow simply because they like her better.

The truth is, Oliver has her outclassed in almost every category.

Let’s go over Black Widow’s feats shall we? She:

1. Took down some nameless, fodder guards in Iron Man 2

2. Took down more fodder mobsters in Avengers while tied up (Something Ollie also does in the early episodes)

3. Beat Clint Barton, though since they were fighting in an enclosed location, he was at the disadvantage as he couldn’t fully extend his bow to fire arrows accurately. I’m bringing this up because I know others will compare this fight to say that since Natasha beat Clint, she could beat Ollie.

4. Took on the Chitari who had no real feats to show that they were physical superior to humans besides jumping from their ships to the sides of buildings (maybe a twelve foot leap I’d say)

And really that’s it. Now Ollie:

1. Like Natasha, he beats names fodder thugs, only he does it on a weekly basis. He has even beaten people while being at a disadvantage, as in “Vertigo” he was heavily drugged yet managed to take down a stairwell full of guards with little difficulty.

2. Unlike Natasha, who fights mostly fodder characters with the exception of Clint, Ollie routinely fights people who are well trained in martial arts, whether it was his training with Slade on the island, or him fighting and eventually beating China White, Helena Bertinelli and Malcolm Merlyn upon later encounters.

3. He is arguably more acrobatic than her as he regularly uses parkour and free jumping to get from location to location. He also dodges bullets with ease, even from someone who is a master marksman like Deadshot.

4. His physical stats are far superior to Natasha’s. As a man he is physically stronger than her and spends most of his days training his body to increase his strength. For Stamina, he once chased down Helena Bertinelli on foot while she was riding a motorcycle and almost caught her if not for a truck blocking his path at the last minute.

5. His long distance weapons, aka, his archery skills are more impressive than Natasha’s. He has been shown to be a great archer, hardly ever missing his target, even when drugged, injured or moving. His accuracy doesn’t end with arrows either, as he was shown to be able to kill someone by simply throwing a kitchen knife. He also regularly uses Flechettes as darts to otherwise disarm or incapacitate people he doesn’t want dead with great accuracy.

Ollie wins.

THIS.

Posted by medulaoblaganda

@themanintheshoe: yeah me too. black widow will win. she is an unpredictable character.

Edited by EdwardWindsor

@cameron83: Holding back? he wasn't in control how can you hold back when your being controlled by an outside force. That's just opinion not what the movie states. In the very next scene Barton states he could see what was happening but no control over his actions so he wouldnt be unable to hold back. Clint was beaten because Widow knows how good and an archer he is and utilized a strategy to nullify his skills. A method she could use on any bowman in close proximity.

Edited by sasquatch888

Don't watch Arrow, so my vote goes to BW

so dont vote your contaminating the results

Posted by TheManInTheShoe

@jonny_anonymous: @ghidoran: @sasquatch888: But I've seen a few scenes and from that I vote Black Widow. And maybe I explained it wrong, maybe I meant that I don't watch it currently but I've seen enough to answer this. You don't have to bring me down all of you.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@edwardwindsor: You didn't read the OP did you?

@cameron83: The woman your talking about is China White, she's from Green Arrow Year One

Edited by cameron83

@edwardwindsor: You didn't read the OP did you?

@cameron83: The woman your talking about is China White, she's from Green Arrow Year One

Has anyone watched Arrow recently?

What's going on?

lol I know this probably isn't the thread for this,but I missed out on a lot...

and thanks Johnny.

Edited by Jonny_Anonymous

@themanintheshoe: Still, seeing some feats =/= seeing him square off against 20+ guys, Deadshot, Deathstroke, Huntress, China White ect

Edited by SHAZAM117

I think this is a close one. I was gonna say Natasha at first. Both have good feats engaging multiple opponents. I'd say there h2h is about equal.

Widows best chance is to close the gap as soon as she can cause Ollie will have the advantage with his arrows. Going by her close quarters fight with Barton, I'd give the Widow the advantage in that scenario. If Ollie keeps his distance he should be able to pick her off eventually.

Tough to make a call on this, but I'd give Ollie 6/10 due to his accuracy with his arrows and the distance they're starting apart. Widow has to close the distance for things to fall in her favor.

Edited by Poozer

This one is going to take some heavy thinking. Some might give it to BW really fast, but if you take some time it really turns in Ollie's favor. Despite some claims he is rather skilled at hand-to-hand combat and very accurate with his bow. And judging from the beatings he took on the island he probably can take a few hard hits and not go down. Though BW's guns might be an advantage Ollie is very flexible and regularly does parkour so he can dodge her shots from a distance. I'm going to have to give this one to Green Arrow.

Posted by KingsCastle

I'm surprised you didn't go for the more obvious matchup,

Hawkeye vs Green Arrow (Battle of the Archers)

or

Black Widow vs Black Canary

It's an interesting poll though. I think depending on the situation either character can win. Black Widow has the close proximity advantage but Arrow has the range.

Edited by James_Lockart

I'm going with Green Arrow on this one. My reasons, brief and to the point, are given below:

1. GA has almost entirely worked in an urban environment throughout the TV series therefore he excels in the given situation.

2. GA has taken down assasins on the level of Deadshot. That alone is a very credible feet in my opinion.

3. GA has shown an almost Batman-like stealth during the series and has been able to shoot targets quietly.

4. Widow has a great melee capability but there is nothing in the movies to suggest that she can beat Ollie, who is no slouch himself.

5. Widow has shown great skill to go undercover with Stark Inc., Russians and in India to meet Banner without causing an international incident. However those skills are not of much use in the scenario.

GA takes this due to the points mentioned above and more.

Thank You for Reading !

Posted by BatMark_

It took me a while to come up with my answer, but I'm leaning towards Green Arrow. In the Marvel movies, we really haven't seen BW do anything truly noteworthy, other than take out a few generic guards in Iron Man 2, beat a brainwashed Hawkeye, and kill a couple of Chitauri soldiers (Who, lets be honest, didn't look like the most skilled fighters). However in Arrow, Ollie is constantly up against skilled martial artists and marksmen who push him to his limits, and from these encounters we have seen just how skilled his experience on the island made him.

Another area where he has the advantage is the setting of the battle. 50 feet apart, with cover and at night. We can assume BW will be using handguns and from that distance, and she's going to need to get much closer if she's to have any chance of hitting him. GA on the other hand will have an array of arrows that he has shown great skill in using from distance, if he fails to hit her with his initial shots, he could always turn to an explosive arrow to provide cover for him to stealthily traverse the street to get a better shot. In the episode with Deadshot's first appearance, all he needed was a bit of cover and one clean shot to "kill" him. Imagine what he could do with 50 feet between him and his enemy, and at night, where GA primarily works. GA takes the battle.

And for anyone who brings up the Hawkeye vs Black Widow fight from The Avengers, remember, Clint was holding back, and the fight took place in close quarters where he couldn't get a proper shot off, it's hardly a fair comparison.

Posted by Reignmaker

Hmm, let's see. Do I go with one of the hottest actresses alive today, or do I choose the pretty boy "badass" from the teenybopper channel? All of sudden, it's not so tough to choose.

Posted by Guardiandevil83

@cameron83: It's over. Season 2 will be back in the fall.

Posted by RedX17

This is a close one... I'm going with tie. They tie in just about everything I can think of, with only slight edges over each other. But she does have better resources without a doubt. Arrow only has criminal and business contacts, while widow has contacts of all creeds from around the world.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

Hmm, let's see. Do I go with one of the hottest actresses alive today, or do I choose the pretty boy "badass" from the teenybopper channel? All of sudden, it's not so tough to choose.

so in other words your completely biased

Posted by The Stegman

@reignmaker said:

Hmm, let's see. Do I go with one of the hottest actresses alive today, or do I choose the pretty boy "badass" from the teenybopper channel? All of sudden, it's not so tough to choose.

so in other words your completely biased

Not only biased, but he's not even talking about characters but rather the the people who play them.

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@jonny_anonymous said:

@reignmaker said:

Hmm, let's see. Do I go with one of the hottest actresses alive today, or do I choose the pretty boy "badass" from the teenybopper channel? All of sudden, it's not so tough to choose.

so in other words your completely biased

Ha ha. Yep. On this matchup, I totally am. And yet, my vote still counts as much as yours.

As a footnote, I did watch the first few episodes of Arrow. Wasn't a terrible show from what I saw.

Edited by Pokeysteve

Oooooo good one!

Edited by Jonny_Anonymous

@jonny_anonymous said:

@reignmaker said:

Hmm, let's see. Do I go with one of the hottest actresses alive today, or do I choose the pretty boy "badass" from the teenybopper channel? All of sudden, it's not so tough to choose.

so in other words your completely biased

Ha ha. Yep. On this matchup, I totally am. And yet, my vote still counts as much as yours.

As a footnote, I did watch the first few episodes of Arrow. Wasn't a terrible show from what I saw.

That may be so but now pepole will just disregard your opinion

Posted by Grand_Supremor

I don't know who i think would win, it would be really close, maybe Widow because her years of training and her time working with Hawkeye will aid her in beating Oliver (who is a very skilled archer in his own right). Next time i want Man of Steel Superman vs Avengers Hulk.

Edited by Reignmaker

@jonny_anonymous said:

That may be so but now pepole will just disregard your opinion

That's cool. I'm not whoring for followers, so people can think what they'd like.

Posted by AlKusanagi

Is Ollie a man-ho in the show like he is in the comics? Because as the scene with Loki in the cell showed, the reason Widow is an Avenger is just as much for psychological warfare than combat skill. She could pull a damsel in distress routine, lure him into a compromising position, and then finish him off, just like her namesake.

Edited by blkson

Why you people always debate here? lol Go to the forum made for this battle.

Posted by HexThis

Since Arrow is such a terrible show, I'll go with Black Widow. Maybe if she beats him bad enough we won't have to endure more episodes.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@hexthis said:

Since Arrow is such a terrible show, I'll go with Black Widow. Maybe if she beats him bad enough we won't have to endure more episodes.

great, more biased opinions

Posted by danhimself

I don't see how anyone can say that Black Widow has better feats...we've seen her fight like 3 times...but Arrow has 23 hour long episodes of feats...there's just nothing to compare

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Posted by danhimself

@reignmaker said:

Hmm, let's see. Do I go with one of the hottest actresses alive today, or do I choose the pretty boy "badass" from the teenybopper channel? All of sudden, it's not so tough to choose.

so in other words your completely biased

this is why I hope that no one is taking these battles to seriously...winning a poll does not equal winning a battle

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Posted by Mythologico4

Great match up, two of my favorite characters in here..

Although I think both have enough feats for a debate, and I already love this thread, thank you so much.. I feel the debate would be better after Captain America 2, due to Natasha having more feats for us to compare to, since Ollie at the moment has a full season of feats, while Widow has 2 movies... But anyway, I feel we have enough for a nice debate

It's a tough one to decide. Both are very skilled H2H fighters, and although Ollie seems to have the long range advantage, Natasha's gadgets should kind of equal that situation. Nat showed nice feats in both Iron Man 2 and Avengers, although most of her appearances showed fights agaisn't commom thugs, but still enough to show her skills with H2H combat and agility. Oliver on the other hand, has more feats to examine due to the 23 episodes the series has so far. He also showed nice H2H skills and accuracy with the bow and Arrow.

Given to the scenario and both's agility, and could see Widow dodging his attacks, and vice versa. The battle would probably end in a H2H combat, which although both are pretty even, I would give it to Natasha, specially since she has gadgets she can use for close range. So I'll give this to Nat, very close one though

Posted by millennium

are we talking about black widow from the avengers movie? or iron man 2 because if its the iron man 2 widow then she has a chance but if its the avengers widow (where she was a walking talking super spy that can do everything stereo type) then she has no chance of winning this arrow will take this he has better range and his cqc is a lot better than hers from what we saw in the movie so winner arrow

Posted by lilben42

Arrow.

Posted by fletcher78

I am going for Arrow. Some people seem to be dismissing him as a mere archer and disocunting his combat and h2h skills. don't forget this version of the Green Arrow was trained by Deathstroke so we have to think he is going to be pretty handy. Plus he took down malcolm Merlyn mostly by using hand to hand combat. Also lets not forget that he cleared a safehouse full of guards armed and otherwise to rescue his stepfather. When you add his agility, parkour and his own set of stealth skills he is much more than a mere archer.

Black Widow is also a very strong competitor and won't be a push over. She is extremely competant at taking on mulitple enemies and disarming them plus she has a large arsenal of gadgets and handguns. However almost half of the feats we have seen her do so far have come from making her enemies underestimate her. The Russians in the Avengers thought she was no trouble to them. Whilst it was only sparring she took down Happy because he underestimated her. True she is capable of holding her own regardless but the majority of things we have seen her do come from being underestimated. Once she has dodged a few arrows the Ollie is not going to underestimate her.

Posted by simonchan

green arrow. This arrow is focused and can fight. You've seen him take down multiple opponents without his arrows so even if he doesnt manage to get a shot, hes effective in close quarters.

Posted by iceman228433

Black Widow in marvel hero's she has these drones she can just spam and everything dies. Oh yea and she is awesome but so is Arrow so either way all good.

Posted by New_World_Order

This matchup sucks :(

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