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Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Moon Knight vs. Red Hood

It's Jason Todd vs. Marc Spector and YOU determine the winner!

The Fist of Khonshu takes on the second Robin... who will be left standing after the brawl? Well, that's up to you! Debate on Moon Knight vs. Red Hood begins today and you'll have five days to think about it before needing to cast your vote! While they may not be as skilled as some of the top street levelers in their respective universes, they're both still immensely talented and willing to be more brutal than a traditional hero. While Todd has extensive training from Batman, firearms and other goodies, Moon Knight has consistently displayed topnotch pain tolerance, has held his own against quite a few characters, and has a simple yet effective variety of gear at his disposal (Marc hasn't had moon based powers in a long time, by the way). No matter who's the victor, this has the potential to be downright savage.

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Comic Vine Battle of the Week Rules

  • Combatants are in character (assume Marc has a pre-Bendis' run mental status, therefore he won't think he's one of the other Avengers).
  • This is a random encounter.
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated and at night. Assume they start roughly 50 feet apart and visible. There's a moderate amount of cover between them (parked cars and such).
  • Both characters have standard gear (assume Moon Knight has his standard gear/attire from the Civil War era. The above image is from that era, by the way).
  • Incapacitation, knockout or death all count as elimination.

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Voting will remain open until this Friday morning (ET) and a new article will go on the homepage shortly after. Please keep in mind voting remains open for 5 days so you can research characters and read the debates presented for both sides. I know it's easy to vote for the character you like more, but please try to have adequate information on both characters before casting your vote.

Friday's update will include one Viner's argument for the winning character (only posts in the poll thread will be considered and it can't be a scan fest), the staff's thoughts and if we're extra lucky, thoughts from writers, artists and others in the industry! Viners, it's understandable that debates over "who would win?" can get heated, but please try to keep the conversations informative and not personal.

Feel free to make future match suggestions in the comments below or via Gregg's Twitter page.

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I love Moon Knight. I especially love how he wants to see his victims coming. Hence he wears white, and he certainly deserves his own film. However we can always come back to the same argument with anyone associated with Batman. Batman has the moves ! Quite simply. And though Moon Knight some extreme cases of agility, LIKE when he dodged a crowbar. This is a move I'm pretty sure Jason could also pull off.

I'm not saying this would be a short fist fight, in fact I doubt that Red Hood could finish him off without a subsantional amount of use of his weaponry. I've had some time to think about it and I think that the vote does go to Red Hood. Though I can see Moon Knight putting up a good fight, he has IMMENSE amounts of will power. And he could possibly dodge a large amount of the bullets. However they both have farely unpredictable fighting styles (going back to the Wayne argument) HE WAS TRAINED BY BATMAN !! So yep Red Hood, done sorted.

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Red Hood.

He's a Bat-kid, he can handle himself.

He's only been getting better, Moon knight can't even beat punisher with his powers. Jason is to skilled with enough deception too fool the bat.

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I don't see Todd being able to do anything to Spector. He takes gunshot wounds like a regular guy takes punches, and they are about as skilled. Spector is also stronger.

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Both combatants have amazing skills, both Todd and Spector have no qualms whatsoever about putting an opponent down for good. So both are willing to do what it takes to win (thus eliminating the superhero X doesn't kill but superhero Y does conundrum), regardless (more so with Moon Knight) of the consequences. Todd is very skilled and can be construed as being a more ruthless version of Batman, not as skilled though but close to it. Spector possibly comes from an even harder school of knocks and his almost sadistic tolerance of pain is what I consider the clincher...Todds best bet is to fill Spector with as many bullets as possible before he gets close. Even when it is down to the fisticuffs, Todd will fight like a demon possessed, its just that Spector's pain tolerance and willingness to if I may use the pun "To make an omelet you've got to break some eggs" approach means that even when (not If) Todd makes some brutal strikes, Spector just will not care and will end the conflict. This conflict will end either in Todd's death or be broken up by some other third party. I just don't see mercy in Spectors heart, this conflict is a final solution type peeps, only one survives.

Moon Knight FTW...

PS: I am a Moon Knight fan since the 80's but I have a lot of love for the Red Hood, I believe that the pain tolerance aspect is the only separator between the two.

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...Todd's not my favorite character, he's always seemed a bit winy, but he still trained with Batman, starting at a very young age; considering this, I think he'd probably be prepared for a random encounter battle more so then Moon Knight, who was just a Marine/Boxer before he became a crime fighter. I think a more interesting, and equally matched, fight would be Moon Knight vs. Jean Paul Valley era Azrael.

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I voted too close to call. Jason has been trained by just about everyone now, but Moon Knight does have some superhuman abilities. I know that anyone caught in the middle of this should head for the hills.

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Marc takes it. His top notch gear and skills should pull through for him.

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@thedarkshight: With guns sure but that doesn't count moon knight's staff

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Red hood for me by a little bit

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i think we should just call it a tie and make the 2 team up in their own book.......A MAN CAN DREAM DAMMIT!!!!

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@mutie199: Red Hood all the way. Trained to find the weakness in his opponents and as Red Hood ready to kill with lethal gadgets. Moon Knights armor would keep him safe from the projectiles but there is the concussive force that still transfers when hit. So the pistols are not a kill condition but more of a control element for this fight.

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Honestly i said this before, Marvel DOES showcase they're character feats better than DC does(outside of Batman and Superman of course), so im not really mad at people saying Moon Knight. At least DC seems a lil bit more adamant about showcasing more character feats in the new 52 books. I think i said this in the Daredevil vs Nightwing battle, give DC a year or 2(if another reboot doesnt happen) and a lot of opinions will change.

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This New 52 Red Hood is a boss!!! He's not only been trained by Batman but by this ancient All Caste monks in a hidden mountain/realm that's pretty much equivalent to K'un L'und (Where Iron Fist was trained) so I give the edge to Jason. Moon Knight is cool but he is crazy as hell and not in a good way. He better take his meds before this fight or Jason is going to end it very quickly.

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I'm a fan of Red Hood and feel he is an excellent combatant. He was trained by the best hand to hand combatant in the DC universe along with the All Caste. This would be quite the battle. Moon Knight is also excellent at hand to hand and has years of experience. He was a Marine, boxer, and mercenary. The fact he was a boxer says he can take punches and with it being night he will have increased strength, so he will also be physically stronger than Jason. Epic battle but I'm giving the win to MOON KNIGHT.

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Sadder than this guy:

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this guy:

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and even this guy:

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@k4tzm4n Meanie.........

@k4tzm4n: And after I had such nice thigns to say about you. I'm truly hurt. I am now the Saddest of all Possible Pandas in all Possible Realities.

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@k4tzm4n: And after I had such nice thigns to say about you. I'm truly hurt. I am now the Saddest of all Possible Pandas in all Possible Realities.

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@k4tzm4n said:

@thundergodswrath said:

Moon Knight would beat Jason Todd.

He's also the most badass street leveler in marvel and dc

Pssh. Certainly didn't seem like it against Bullseye or Black Spectre :P

On the other hand...:D

Never underestimate the resolve of a Sado-Masochist.

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@k4tzm4n: This is the most even match up the Vine has seen in a long time. It honestly could go either way. Bravo sir.

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Moon knight might just take the cake

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I'm gonna have to give it to Jason since I'm not all that familiar with Moon Knight. From what I know about Jason, he will won't stop still he leaves in Moon Knight's corpse in a ditch

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@laflux said:

@strider92: I'm doing likewise, may the best man win- no underhand shenanigans

What am I saying!!! Of course there will be underhand shenanigans >:DD

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@strider92: I'm doing likewise, may the best man win- no underhand shenanigans

What am I saying!!! Of course there will be underhand shenanigans >:DD

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@laflux said:


Just to note if your gunning for the arguement of the week, taunting @k4tzm4n isn't going to help lol

Nah i'm waiting for a Spider-man thread before I really gun for comment of the week so in the mean time I can tauntz him mwhahahahahaha

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This is a good fight. In my opinion Moon Knight takes a majority. Jason Todd is a strong combatant no doubt however Moon Knight has been a consistently strong fighter. He's demonstrated a good knowledge of nerve strikes and uses them on a very regular basis. Moon Knight is also a lot faster than most people give him credit for he's easily dodged bullets and jumped his way through a laser grid.

Initially Jason would probably have the advantage due to his guns however this will be short lived once a close combat situation occurs. Red Hood is of course no stranger to hand to hand having been trained by Batman and all but its not often he fights someone as utterly devoid of pain as Moon Knight. Marc has had both his legs broken and fallen from a 4 story building and still kept fighting, he was tortured by Midnight-Man by the villain tearing at his spinal column and it ended with Moon Knight putting an iron bar through his head despite hours of previous torture. So when it comes to a close combat situation Jason is not on the same level of durability as Moon Knight the guy literally doesn't give a damn what kind of punishment he is put through. He's the kind of person who wouldn't mind getting his hand chopped off if it means he can get in a position to kill you. As a result Marc can put himself in a situation Jason won't be expecting. Taskmaster even said that he hated fighting Moon Knight for this exact reason because MK would rather take a blow so he could get in a position to beat the living hell out of you than avoid you and wait for an opening. This is a fighting style that is very unpredictable and very effective if you're opponent is less durable than you which in this case Jason is.

Moon Knight should take a majority due to his unpredictable fighting style, his incredible pain tolerance and the fact that he is a far better fighter than people actually give him credit for!

P.S K4tz forfeited a debate with me on this because deep down he knew Moon Knight wins! Not really he was just too busy to participate but thats what i'll keep telling myself and everyone I meet mwhahahaha

Oh and Moon Knight is faster than a crowbar........Just sayin.....

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Just to note if your gunning for the arguement of the week, taunting @k4tzm4n isn't going to help lol

Also you forgot the most important fact- MOON KNIGHT Panwzz A utAHRaptorZZ

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Well after a long tough fight, I would go with Moon Knight. My reason is that while Red Hood has excellent fighting skills and weapon skills, so does Moon Knight, as he has a extensive military background. And even though Red Hood has been trained by Batman, he isnt Batman, and as Strider92 pointed out, the Taskmaster who excells at picking apart fighting skills and styles, had his toughest fight against Moon Knight, so Red Hood would just get frustrated trying to stop this madman. And to top it off, Moon Knight's insane tolerence for pain, and not just caring about what he has to do to defeat an enemy, so Moon Knight has the advantage here. It wouldnt be an easy fight, and a pretty vicious battle for sure.

Moon Knight for the win!

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@lordrequiem: @tparks:

  • Both characters have standard gear (assume Moon Knight has his standard gear/attire from the Civil War era. The above image is from that era, by the way).

aka not carbonadium armor.

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Spector is a brick house even without his armor. He may have lost his Super Powers, but the guy can tank anything from gun shot wounds, broken bones, blood loss, and head trauma and keep fighting like the insane man he is. During Midnight Sun, Spector and Task Master went toe to toe. Task Master tells Spector that he never copies MK's fighting style because MK would always rather take a punch then block it. I don't think Todd can dish out enough punishment to bring MK down. MK is going to leave the fight bloody, bruised, and possibly concussed with some broken bones; but he will leave the fight which I can't say the same for Todd.

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Moonie beats the tar out of red hood hands down

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That armour of Moon Knights is going to be a factor. I say him.

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Red Hood!!!

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Red Hood is a very tough opponent, but as a result of a brutal battle, Marc shall win.

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wow, I might be wrong. Moon Knight might actually get this vote. SO WHY THE HELL IS RED HOODS BOOK STILL GOING AND MOON KNIGHTS GOT DUMPED????!!! What a run it was.

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Khonshu's Champion has got this in the bag.

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@mrshway88:

I've been ranting and ranting about Moon Knight last title run. Brian Bendis and Alex Maleev did a 12 month run. It's one large story, and there's 2 trades. You have to understand something. Bendis got popular because of his Daredevil run, but more importantly he was the writer on DD for over a year, but when Maleev jumped on it might be the most popular DD has been since Frank Miller was writing it. My point is this tho. I never liked Moon Knight, but I loved Bendis and Maleev on DD so I picked it up, because MK and DD are similar characters. It was in my top 3 picks every month and I'm just sick that it's not still running. It's so fucking fresh, and original the take on Moon Knight. The dialogue is sick and funny as hell. The art an aquired taste, but it's very noirish. like a street hero book should be. If you can draw even a little bit you'll envy Maleev, because his style just looks so easy to do, but it's not. Doesn't matter tho. It's all about the story. If you serious about a recommendation, this is it. I knew very little about Moon Knight and followed along perfectly. Bendis tells you his past in a very original way too. The worst thing about the run tho, is even if, and when Moon Knight does get another solo story, he'll never be written in this fasion. If I told you more about the approach I'd spoil it so bad. You see the take in the 1st issue tho. Shit, it's so good, and I want EVERYONE to read it, that I'll even tell you to go download the 1st 3 or 4 issues in torrent form just so you can see what I'm ranting about. You do that. You go download the 1st 3 issues in torrent form and read them on your computer and I GUARANTEE that you'll go out and by the 2 trades just so you can own them and read them over and over again. I own them, and have read them easily 10 times already. I own the singles, but I got the trades 2 months ago.

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Red Hood.

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Why are my favorite Marvel and DC heroes fighting? WHO DO I CHOOSE?

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Moon knight

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Moon Knight had enhanced strength, stamina, and reflexes based on the phase of the moon. He is at his strongest during a full moon, as he could lift the weight of 2 tons and at normal strength when there is a no moon, where he could lift around 700 lbs. He can also see magical beings that normal humans cannot see and possesses night vision as well. Moon Knight can also become invisible in a shadowed area........Moon Knight....will win

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@calebhara: Loool I knew someone was goingvto bring up Kaine !

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@thundergodswrath said:

Moon Knight would beat Jason Todd.

He's also the most badass street leveler in marvel and dc

If Kaine read this..

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He would disagree :)

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Moon Knight would beat Jason Todd.

He's also the most badass street leveler in marvel and dc

Pssh. Certainly didn't seem like it against Bullseye or Black Spectre :P

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Moon Knight would beat Jason Todd.

He's also the most badass street leveler in marvel and dc

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Does tihs battle take place at night?

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