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Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Marvel vs DC Paintball

Which team of gunslingers will emerge victorious? Your vote can make a difference, so get in here and speak your mind!

We have a real treat for you this week, battle junkies. We're bringing an all-new scenario your way and hopefully it'll be a blast for you to think about. Some characters who love firearms from Marvel and DC are about to take aim at one another and it's going to get hectic. Which team will win the day? Well, that's completely up to you.

There's a decent amount of rules here, but honestly, it'll take you no more than a minute or two to scan through them. They're important and you don't want to look silly by making a post which clearly contradicts 'em or ask something already addressed in there, do you? Go on, get your read on and then have fun thinking about the shootout.

Oh, one more thing: a common theme I'm seeing is people complaining about popularity or how they won't vote because they think it won't make a difference. That couldn't be any further from the truth. Not only will your vote matter, but you also have the ability to change the tide of the poll. Complaining won't win over votes, but do you know what will? Presenting awesome arguments, scans and luring in more voters. There's 5 days for the poll to fluctuate, so if you really want a team to win, bring your A game and truly support them.

Microsoft Paint makes it seem like that could be a real cover, doesn't it?!

Comic Vine Battle of the Week Rules

  • Everyone is in character.
  • Everyone is wearing standard and grey gym clothing (shorts and a t-shirt).
  • Aside from strength, Bucky's bionic arm will not grant him any additional features.
  • If tagged by a paintball directly, the character is eliminated and immediately teleported from the location (their weapon and ammo will remain behind). Elimination can also be by knockout, incapacitation or death via close combat.
  • Where are they facing-off? A large forest. Midday. Weather is not a factor. Temperature is moderate and it's not windy.
  • Teams begin 100 feet apart. Teams are somewhat visible to each other when the match starts, but seeing as they're in a forest and at that distance, there's a whole lot of cover.
  • Characters have one simple objective: defeat the enemy team by any means necessary.
  • Characters will not intentionally harm their own teammates (for example, Punisher won't shoot Bullseye), but no one is forcing them to use teamwork, either.
  • Everyone has the same kind of pistol which fires paintball rounds. However, the paintball rounds will move at the same speed and accuracy as a standard pistol round.
  • Characters can fire 21 shots before needing to reload. Each character has 10 additional magazines (assume these are weightless and will not hinder their movement).
  • Each character only has the pistol. Unless they obtain extra ammo or even a pistol from someone else, they're limited to unarmed combat (or whatever they can find in the environment -- branches and rocks, for example).
  • For simplicity's sake, pre-52 feats for the DC characters are applicable.
  • All characters are aware of how to use their weapon and are fully aware of the rules.
  • If you took the time to read all of these rules before diving into the voting thread, please give yourself a pat on the back. You've earned it and we're proud of you.

Team Marvel

Team DC

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Viners, you have the week to research, debate and vote! This means there's no reason to vote right away if you don't have all of the info you need to make an educated decision. Check the homepage Friday for an updated article with the following:

  • My extended thoughts on the match.
  • A Viner Argument in favor of the poll's winner (can't include scans and must be in the poll thread).
  • Extra thoughts from other Comic Vine staffers.
  • If we're lucky, blurbs from industry talent.

Feel free to make future match suggestions in the comments below or via Gregg's Twitter page.

50 Comments
Edited by RazzaTazz

This will essentially come down to Bullseye's near superhuman ability to hit targets

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Posted by fletcher78

This will essentially come down to Bullseye's near superhuman ability to hit targets

Deadshot is no slouch either. in his villians month special he shot a hole into a mech before firing off a second round which went into the hole the first bullet made. All of this was done whilst free falling from a plane.

Posted by CBninja

I think I know who in going to vote for but I'm going to hold off and see what people have to say.

Posted by ravisher

why hush?

Posted by k4tzm4n
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Edited by Nightwing_22

Wait is it Bucky or Winter Solider?

Posted by bflynn316

Bullseye would wreck

Edited by jwalser3

Bullseye would wreck

Pretty much.

Posted by AlKusanagi

Gotta give the nod to Bullseye, simply because he can get the most out of unconventional weapons, and he'd probably find some nefarious use for the paintballs.

Posted by viin

Really? Hush?

Do something like Black Widow and Hawkeye vs Black Canary an Green Arrow.

Posted by kriminal

flash would tear it up. he can hit most of marvel by himself, all at point blank range

Posted by Bogey

Really Hush? Why not Deathstroke?

Posted by Ancient_0f_Days

I doubt anyone actually knows of Hush's marksmanship feats..not the best pick in my opinion....Slade would make it an easy win for the DC team so I can see why he was left out.

Edited by Deathstroke19

@ancient_0f_days: Couldn't agree more or said it better myself with what you said below. Timmy's marksmanship is highly underrated but its definitely not the best. I also agree with the second part about DS being too much.

Posted by Ancient_0f_Days - December 09, 2013 at 12:04 PM

I doubt anyone actually knows of Hush's marksmanship feats..not the best pick in my opinion....Slade would make it an easy win for the DC team so I can see why he was left out.

Edited by mikep12

This is a horrible mismatch. Red arrow can turn anything into a projectile and he can actually do martial arts deadshot and jonah hex don't do any thing alike. Plus how is a bionic arm not suppose to kill somebody with on punch deathstroke is needed. Plus what has hush ever done to get on this list chesire or lady shiva would have been great to go against black widow. This is unfair I'm giving it to DC just for that.

Edited by BlackLegRaph

People, this is paintball, not physical combat. Read the rules and it actually becomes more interesting. They are not being forced to work as teams, so there is a huge chance that this will just be a battle between lone wolves.

Posted by HushoftheWind

im trying to figure out how Hush got a bid over Deathstroke or Arsenal. anyways Marvel has too many good gun based characters on their squad ie Castle and Bullseye so i have to go Marvel. I thinking that Jonah Hex might be the weak link. Yes he's a good shooter but his agility falls into question.

Edited by vPuik

I think Bullseye would take down the whole DC team with a single pine cone he found on the ground.

Oh this is paint ball, not death match?

Then Bullseye would just flick one of the paintballs with his fingers and take down the opposing team.

Posted by TheCheeseStabber

Saint Of Killers arrives Uninvited and shoots everyone with one bullet.

The teams both moth walk away disgruntled

Posted by RazzaTazz

@razzatazz said:

This will essentially come down to Bullseye's near superhuman ability to hit targets

Deadshot is no slouch either. in his villians month special he shot a hole into a mech before firing off a second round which went into the hole the first bullet made. All of this was done whilst free falling from a plane.

Perhaps, but Bull's Eye would be able to accomplish things like bouncing paintballs off of other objects for ricochets. The other shooters couldn't do this.

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Posted by lesterlawton

@fletcher78 said:
@razzatazz said:

This will essentially come down to Bullseye's near superhuman ability to hit targets

Deadshot is no slouch either. in his villians month special he shot a hole into a mech before firing off a second round which went into the hole the first bullet made. All of this was done whilst free falling from a plane.

Perhaps, but Bull's Eye would be able to accomplish things like bouncing paintballs off of other objects for ricochets. The other shooters couldn't do this.

Deadshot does that quite often, actually.

Posted by RazzaTazz

@lesterlawton: Deadshot might be able to ricochet bullets, but probably not paintball pellets which are deisigned to explode on contact.

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Edited by comicgod

Punisher would destroy them all, because remember almost all his weapons are custom, therefore he weapons he is using in this battle are custom. If he brings something like a paintball uzi they win. Plus, who is going to be dumb enough to try and hit punishers chest, where he has his skull t-shirt. Punisher would go on a rampage knowing the last thing his son gave him was ruined.

Edited by Ancient_0f_Days

@comicgod: I hope you know that Deadshot is flat out a better shooter than Punisher.

Edited by lesterlawton

@razzatazz:

@lesterlawton: Deadshot might be able to ricochet bullets, but probably not paintball pellets which are deisigned to explode on contact.

If thrown, either is capable of ricochet shots. If we're talking fired directly from the marker, neither will be able to. Paintball shells generally aren't thick enough to accomplish such a feat.

Edited by MYadidas

This comes down to Deadshot vs. Bullseye. Which in my opinion is a tie. Great lineup. Hush is kind of questionable but he is a good tactician who took out the Bat. But Two-Face would have been a more even choice over Slade or the Arrows. But on that mistake I unfortunately have to vote against Team DC. Deadshot deserved one of the arrows.

Edited by mightyrearranger

Really wish I could access my Deadshot scan collection right now.

Can he load the paintballs in his wrist-shooters?

Posted by RazzaTazz

@lesterlawton: I think Bull's Eye near supernatural power at aiming would overcome the design limitations of the paintballs.

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Posted by Carter_esque

Team Marvel stomps as usual.

Posted by CuddlyPlane

Bullseye gets all the kills while paintballs bounce off of the Punisher and don't splatter

Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen

I'm not placing a vote here just yet but I'm going to throwdown some favorite Deadshot feats of mine since he's my favorite marksman in any Comic Book Universe.

While blindfolded kills an entire room of foes. Note that he's hitting all of his targets in both the head & the heart, two kill shots per person.
Escapes from the police while handcuffed, uses a stone to bounce off of the hubcap to start off his escape.
Trains while blindfolded.
Kills multiple gang members with several kill shots rather quickly.
Pretty good with long distance sniper shots, too.

I think Floyd will do just fine here, the only person on the Marvel Team that really stands a chance against him is Bullseye, and I'm worried that the Marvel Team won't be willing to work together as much as the DC team is.

Posted by lesterlawton

@lesterlawton: I think Bull's Eye near supernatural power at aiming would overcome the design limitations of the paintballs.

Aim doesn't change the structure of an object. I was on a speedball team for about 8 years, and the paintballs break on inflatable barriers at a decent distance. In order to ricochet, they have to be traveling at speeds that break them. My Flatline barrel can shoot at a slight arc around barriers at a decent distance, but the type of marker wasn't specified.

Posted by Nerd Of A Hero

This battle is tricky but I'll give my analyzes on the situation for now.

Team Marvel:

- We have Bucky Barnes and Black Widow will pretty much be the most likely characters to be acting as a team because they've worked together in the Avengers in and out (as well as having a relationship before) so they have a strong partnership and trust one another because they know each others skills and abilities that'll help them coordinate their tactics more efficiently and get them through tough situations. They would have to at this point, why wouldn't they team up? Taking out either of them would slow down Team Marvel and I think Bucky can handle his own more so than Black Widow because Bucky's been through a lot during his Days as Winter Soldier and his superior skills and cyborg arm. I think they can take some characters out, but someone from DC (Deadshot) might do some real damage while things are going on.

- With the Punisher, he could team up with Bucky and Widow to take out Team DC, making this an even better advantage for Team Marvel because Punisher is good with guns too and he has teamed up with heroes from time to time. However, part of me just doesn't see it happening mainly because of the strain relationship between the other heroes and Punisher - since he mostly does, well...you know, punishing people. But that doesn't stop him from going into a different approach in this battle. He could just let Bucky, Widow and maybe...maybe Bullseye go toe to toe with Team DC while he'll plan on attacking from behind or to the sides as their being distracted. Plus since Punisher is tolerate to pain he may take some hits just to get closer to opponent and fire back at some good areas, all the while studying them and then predict their movies before attacking some more.

- Bullseye could pretty much solo the whole team DC on his own if it wasn't for Deadshot. Like Punisher, everyone would attack Team Dc while he'll ambush them and shoot them in every angle possible and with style. He could do the some thing while confront Team DC and attack them in every angle and with style. He could ricochet his paintballs by using obstacles around to get to the them at a distance. Heck, if he wanted to, he could take out the paint balls out of the gun and throw them from bare his hands just to be creative and more enjoyable. The only way for Team DC to win against Bullseye is to attack him alone, but he could dodge around while Team Marvel can shoot at Team DC at the same time.

Team DC :

- There is no question that Deadshot could solo this battle if it wasn't for Bullseye. Like Bullseye, he could ricochet his paintballs to get to Team Marvel, weather he goes up against them with his team or by attack them at a distance with the other DC team confronts Team Marvel with their assaults. Either way, Deadshot's a tough nut to crack.

- Red Hood isn't on the level of marksmanship like Deadshot but he is still good at using guns for the majority of his career, as well as his trickster like tactics. Plus, he's was trained by Batman and had even more training, so he's definitely someone who should be taken likely. I'm a little iffy with Hush because of the fact that he's not very skilled at acrobatics (which is a great factor in this battle) and that he's a "Master strategist" and "manipulator" which I don't see working well for him here. He doesn't seem like the person to give out orders to plan their attack and execute them well, but keeps things to himself. You also have to consider that this OP wasn't planned out by him, so there's no way he can manipulate a series of events in this battle, so the only good thing he good for is his marksman skills and I'm sure that he can't last long alone. When Batman first confronted him, Hush was able to shoot all of Batman Batarangs with no problem. Because of their history with Batman, Hush and Red Hood might go into blows, wanting for themselves how they want to defeat Batman without interference. I just want to see how they'll pair up against Bucky and Black Widow.

- This is pretty much Jonah Hex's play ground here, so he too is a tough cookie himself. He a remarkable marksman and his fast reflexes is so strong that he's able to draw out and shoot down multiple people before they pull out their guns. He's also took out Batman in the gut before during the Return of Bruce Wayne story line...wait, what? 0_0 With that in mind , I could see him making some good shots at the head, arms, legs, gut and any other area on Team Marvel. I like to think that he could take on Black Widow, Bucky and maybe the Punisher, but I don't know too much about Jonah Hex other than what I researched and if Jonah Hex's action is affected by PIS or something. So for any Jonah Hex fans out there, please help your bro out, okay. Here's the scan BTW.

It would seem that Marvel has the advantage here because of their team work, and that having Bullseye on the team which makes a big deal. I think Team DC still has a slight chance but I'll come back to this when I can come back with more stuff to say and more people joining in.

Posted by Lykida

This will essentially come down to Bullseye's near superhuman ability to hit targets

And Punisher being Punisher.

Posted by RazzaTazz

@lesterlawton: Agreed, but Bull's Eye is routinely shown making shots that practically defy physics. The others do not

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Edited by TheTrueBarryAllen

Are we really on the belief that Bullseye is going to be able to ricochet paintballs?

*Heavy Sigh*

Edited by lykopis

Bullseye is the decision maker for me here.

Bullseye would be flinging pebbles, branches, acorns whatever just to kill for the heck of it. I think his ability to throw things would be even more quicker than the trajectory of a paintball. He's been shown to throw baseballs (145 grams or 5 oz) at a speed of 105 miles per hour. He could just flick paint balls himself and arguably be faster at taking down targets than using a standard paintball gun which on average expels a paintball (3.5 grams or .1 oz) at a speed of 200 miles per hour.

Just a thought, not too serious. Just trying to think outside the box.

Edit: Ignore the above. According to the OP, the paintballs travel the same speed as a bullet from a gun. Pretty much negated my idea entirely.

Posted by Wolverine08

Picked the Marvel team due to the combination of Bucky and Natasha's close partnership (Great teamwork will come from them), Bullseye's insane marksmanship that can match anyone's here, and the often ignored X factor in Punisher's own skill with shooting.

Posted by RazzaTazz

@lykida: Maybe, though he is not better of a shot no more ruthless than Deadshot for instance.

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Posted by RazzaTazz

@thetruebarryallen: I am not sure, we routinely believe other things like that Batman can dodge lasers, so why not?

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Edited by TheTrueBarryAllen

@razzatazz: I've never debated that or seen that debate, Batman isn't a character that I myself particularity enjoy.

I'm just saying that if that Bullseye were to apply enough force to a paintball to get to to bounce off of a tree or the ground what is going to give it enough force to break on contact with it's final target?

It's an incredibly far fetched argument being made that Bullseye is going to end up ricocheting paintballs using a gun that fires these INCREDIBLY fragile paintball rounds at the speeds of a normal firearm.

Posted by RazzaTazz

@thetruebarryallen: OK, that is fine, I am willing to admit that it is a near impossible feat, but the amount of aim that Bull's Eye is shown to have in comics goes beyond what is reasonable in terms of physics. If it can be accepted that Batman dodges lasers, then this is not much of a stretch either. Also it is completely feasible to me that in such a scenario that a comic writer would make the characters do nearly impossible things.

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Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen

@razzatazz: I don't see why it keeps going back to Batman dodging lasers, heck in comics lasers don't seem to even have the best track record for being fast & hitting their targets, they're almost as bad as random agents or nameless mob fodder.

Anyways, if Bullseye SOMEHOW does pull off the ricochet then there is nothing preventing Deadshot from doing the same. He's shown himself to be fully capable of trickshots & using unconventional objects as weaponry in combat and he shows skill with using them as projectiles.

I'm still on the DC team's side for this, Bullseye doesn't tilt the scales enough when Deadshot & Jonah Hex are on the opposing team.

Posted by RazzaTazz

@thetruebarryallen: Just an example of a poor application of physics to comics. A lot of debating on comics goes in and out of science. If someone is going to argue that a human can dodge lasers, then it stands to reason that paintballs can be ricocheted. So going with your argument that paintballs can't be ricocheted, then it stands to reason that this is going to come down to a shooting match. It is therefore going to be resolved by who has the best tactics, not the best shot. So as mentioned above, I go with Team Marvel because they have characters that routinely work together.

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Posted by mannthias

u can not forgett that team work is a factor here while while both teams are sort of lone rangers the marvel team has people that get along better while the dc team is villians who probily will argue instead of fight just like in many situaions the badguys work toghether to fight the good guy but then get taken down when thier team work fails and thats how i say this battle would work

Edited by Nerd Of A Hero

@mannthias: I wrote that Team Marvel has the advantage because of their teamwork & experience and having Bullseye going nuts with the paintballs will definitely put them on Top. I like to think that Team DC have something to show because of Deadshot, Jonah Hex, and maybe Red Hood but pretty much everyone is just talking about Deadshot and Bullseye.