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Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Faora vs. Thor (Movie Versions)

What happens when these two formidable characters from the DC and Marvel cinematic universes go at it? Who's left standing? Well, that's up to YOU, so get in here and cast your vote!

Thor has a brand new movie out and Faora's heading to blu-ray this week, so having them engage in a brutal slugfest only seems natural. What would happen if these two powerful characters went head-to-head? Will the DC villain's speed and viciousness overwhelm Marvel's Avenger? Or, will Thor's durability and versatility eventually earn him the win against Superman's foe?

We understand not everyone will enter this one being knowledgeable on both characters, so please keep in mind you have all week to vote. Conduct your own research by checking out the movies or head to the poll thread (link provided below) and read the detailed arguments which will hopefully be made for both sides. Or, if you do know both characters well, go to the poll thread right now and let us know who you think will win and why. Impress us enough (post must be free of videos and scans) and you just may earn the Viner Argument of the Week. You can't put that on your resume, but it's still pretty darn satisfying award.

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  • Characters are standard versions and have standard gear (Faora is not adjusted to Earth's conditions).
  • Knockout, incapacitation or death all count as elimination.
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated, at night and all standard city lights remain on. They start roughly 25 feet apart and visible. There's a fair amount of cover between them (parked vehicles, bus stops and such). The entire city region is on limits. Seeing as this battle has the potential to go great distances, assume we're talking about a massive city.
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Posted by Luchian

Everyone keeps talking about Faora's speed. Granted, she runs very fast. She could easily close the distance to get in close to Thor, provided he just stays on the ground. But then people talk about her combat speed and completely ignore the fact that she gets tagged repeatedly in combat by humans. They get hits in when she closes the distance, especially when she's facing multiple opponents. They get hits in, they just accomplish nothing with them. She also takes hits from ranged attackers, especially when they have numbers. But they're also using conventional Earth weaponry. Thor is not.

Could she dodge those hits? Maybe. But we can only go with what's demonstrated. And what's demonstrated is that she doesn't. So any attempt to say that she would/could is pure speculation. She doesn't.

Thor manages to hit multiple enemies, which are flying and attempting to actively avoid his attack, when he's trying to bottleneck the invasion in NYC. Most of them get destroyed. The large worm thing takes serious damage. We don't know if it was destroyed, because we don't see it after it reenters the portal. But it still took some serious damage, regardless. And it wasn't even a concentrated blast. He was taking out multiple other enemies with the same attack. It's plausible that a concentrated attack would have obliterated it completely. Yes, that last sentence was speculative.

So it seems that not only can his ranged attack put out some serious damage, but Faora would at least have great difficulty or perhaps simply an inability to dodge it. Faora, however, has nothing remotely comparable to his lightning attack.

Thor can also manage his tornado attack that he used against The Destroyer.

Thor can fly.

Also: Faora can't fly.

Ranged Advantage: Thor.

Having seen Thor 1, 2 and Avengers, it seems obvious that Thor can take some serious beatings. Other than when facing Clark, Faora only faces conventional Earth weaponry, which has not been demonstrated to be a problem for Thor.

Thor managed to crush the arm of Tony's armor with one hand, simply by squeezing hard. Tony's suit is certainly not conventional weaponry, and the Kryptonian's face nothing like it. So it's difficult to use as a comparison. Still, the blasts from Tony and the blasts from The Destroyer are of little concern to Thor. He also takes a serious assault from Malekith and continues, largely undaunted. He takes a beating from Kurse and continues on. You see the trend.

Faora doesn't take nearly the super powered pummeling that Thor has demonstrated he can take.

Toughness/Resilience Advantage: Thor.

Sheer running speed? Faora clearly demonstrates that. Of course, simply running fast is of limited help in a fight.
Foot Speed Advantage: Faora.

I'm not seeing the argument about smashing dirt. Do you have any idea the output of a nuclear weapon? And they barely make much a crater. Besides, Thor was using an AOE attack, releasing his lightning. It's not obvious that he was simply trying to damage the ground, and it would be pointless anyway. That argument doesn't hold water. He does manage to smash ice sheets. Cars and planes are collateral damage in his fights, as are hillsides. Farora's own strength feats are in close proximity to Thor's. But when you take his lightning attacks into account, she only has a fraction of his damage output. And he has demonstrated that he can channel it directly through his hammer. So he can use it in close range or at a distance.

Tony's armor specifically absorbs much of the lightning attack, and it still takes damage from the remainder. The Kryptonian armor was never shown to have that capability. So we can't assume that it does. The reasonable assumption is that it will be damaged. And his lightning hits large areas and/or multiple targets. Even if he hits her in the chest, her helmet would likely still suffer damage from the blast. And the helmet was shown to not be nearly as resilient as the rest of the armor.

Discussing Faora's knife is pointless. Loki's weapon is Asgardian. Faora's weapon is Kryptonian. Faora's knife may be no more effective than my knife would be, or it might be just as effective as Loki's. We don't know. Also, Faora was prone to simply punching and kicking more than actually using her blade. So the fight may be over before it even becomes an issue. Any comment about the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of her knife is simply speculation. We don't know.

Final breakdown:


Toughness/Resilience: Thor.
Combat Skill: Thor has the experience and Faora has the training. We can call this a tie.
Running Speed: Faora.
Combat Speed/Reflexes: Both are able to avoid attacks, handle multiple attackers easily and parry assaults. We can can call this a tie.

Raw Strength: More or less equal. We can call this a tie.

Damage Output: Thor takes this one.

Flight: Thor.

Ranged Attack: Thor.

Area Attack: Thor.

Tornado Attack: Thor.

All Thor has to manage is 2-3 hits at most, so that her armor is compromised, if she hasn't already been ko'ed. Once the armor is compromised, the fight is over.

Faora took close combat hits from humans. She also took multiple ranged hits from humans. Thor can hit multiple moving, actively dodging targets at range. He can also fly. He clearly has the ranged advantage. There's no reason to believe Faora would be capable of avoiding that assault and certainly not completely. Thor's charged attacks can hit the area, not just one point of impact. So he can manage that even in close combat. He can easily get a few hits in. That's not even a question. Faora has not been shown to have the decisive damage output. Thor can take hits and keep on going.

Even if you want to push and say that Faora has a speed advantage when it comes to reflexes, it's a marginal advantage. Even if she were able to get two hits in for every one of Thor's, it won't matter. She'll keep pummeling, while he tears apart her armor. Then the fight is over.

Thor.

I'm not saying he'll walk away completely unscathed. But he will be the one who walks away.

Posted by Reactor

You guys know there's only one answer to this.

They fight to a draw because: Thor's power > Faora's power.

Faora's fighting skill and speed > Thor's skill and speed.

Then they end up banging each other. amirite?

I dunno if that's a good idea. Faora comes off as a... black widow type of woman, if you get my meaning.

Edited by Mr_Athrilla

@asgardianxeno929:

the Spear would of killed movie Thor, because it was headed for his head.Comic Thor would of survived. Odin already established That they aren't Gods, and can in fact die. The reason you leave spears unmodified is because it's been well established that Thor is vulnerable to piercing attacks like knives and daggers. A spear to the head would of worked just fine I just re-watched that fight scene. nobody's weapons were glowing. Asguardians can die pretty easy. the steel trap in the SHIELD hele-carrier is proof enough.

That's the whole point of blocking, to pervert an a possibly fatal attack.and if were talking realism, people don't like getting punched in the face because it can absolutely can, and easily kill you. Not because it's an inconvenience. Look at Mohammad Ali, a lifetime of taking padded punches has left if with Parkinsons.

Posted by ptigrusmagus

Why an A+++ lister vs a B villain? Wrong matchup

Posted by k4tzm4n

Why an A+++ lister vs a B villain? Wrong matchup

Sure, if you want to blatantly ignore all of the potential factors in this fight and only look at "who's more popular?" But that's completely missing the point of the segment, isn't it?

Posted by AsgardianXeno929

@mr_athrilla: that fair reasoning, I haven't had the chance to watch it again. :\

Posted by Lunacyde

@sandman_: Yeah, but it's a rookie Superman with practically zero formal combat training. Her against Thor is a soldier VS a warrior with hundreds of years of experience, and a much greater power set. I don't recall her even figuring out heat vision in MoS.

You really like to say things that are blatantly ignorant don't you? Faora is a Kryptonian soldier trained from birth for her role as a soldier. She was second in command behind Zod and demonstrated more true H2H skill than Thor has. His hammer is Thor's only saving grace, without it he loses. Rookie with Zero combat training is utterly wrong.

Posted by ForeverEvil

@lunacyde said:
@alkusanagi said:

@sandman_: Yeah, but it's a rookie Superman with practically zero formal combat training. Her against Thor is a soldier VS a warrior with hundreds of years of experience, and a much greater power set. I don't recall her even figuring out heat vision in MoS.

You really like to say things that are blatantly ignorant don't you? Faora is a Kryptonian soldier trained from birth for her role as a soldier. She was second in command behind Zod and demonstrated more true H2H skill than Thor has. His hammer is Thor's only saving grace, without it he loses. Rookie with Zero combat training is utterly wrong.

WITH it he still loses. loki too thor to the floor with nothing more than a letter opener. faora would murder thor with her knife and combat speed that far outclass thors combat speed.

Posted by AsgardianXeno929

@luchian: (can't quote on phone) to elaborate on some of your points: in vanaheim, Thor would have not have wanted to destroy land, one of his best friends lives there. Unlike superman, he actually cares about collateral damage {playful jab}. And Loki's dagger is possibly enchanted, In Thor 1 he stabs a frost giant and it glows, and he mentions he has 'my' dagger in Thor 2.

Posted by ForeverEvil

@luchian: (can't quote on phone) to elaborate on some of your points: in vanaheim, Thor would have not have wanted to destroy land, one of his best friends lives there. Unlike superman, he actually cares about collateral damage {playful jab}. And Loki's dagger is possibly enchanted, In Thor 1 he stabs a frost giant and it glows, and he mentions he has 'my' dagger in Thor 2.

they never mentioned it was enchanted and also as its been posted a few times, there is no magic in the asgardian movie world

Posted by dorukesin

faora-ul ftw

Edited by TheIronLord

@luchian said:

Everyone keeps talking about Faora's speed. Granted, she runs very fast. She could easily close the distance to get in close to Thor, provided he just stays on the ground. But then people talk about her combat speed and completely ignore the fact that she gets tagged repeatedly in combat by humans. They get hits in when she closes the distance, especially when she's facing multiple opponents. They get hits in, they just accomplish nothing with them. She also takes hits from ranged attackers, especially when they have numbers. But they're also using conventional Earth weaponry. Thor is not.

Could she dodge those hits? Maybe. But we can only go with what's demonstrated. And what's demonstrated is that she doesn't. So any attempt to say that she would/could is pure speculation. She doesn't.

Thor manages to hit multiple enemies, which are flying and attempting to actively avoid his attack, when he's trying to bottleneck the invasion in NYC. Most of them get destroyed. The large worm thing takes serious damage. We don't know if it was destroyed, because we don't see it after it reenters the portal. But it still took some serious damage, regardless. And it wasn't even a concentrated blast. He was taking out multiple other enemies with the same attack. It's plausible that a concentrated attack would have obliterated it completely. Yes, that last sentence was speculative.

So it seems that not only can his ranged attack put out some serious damage, but Faora would at least have great difficulty or perhaps simply an inability to dodge it. Faora, however, has nothing remotely comparable to his lightning attack.

Thor can also manage his tornado attack that he used against The Destroyer.

Thor can fly.

Also: Faora can't fly.

Ranged Advantage: Thor.

Having seen Thor 1, 2 and Avengers, it seems obvious that Thor can take some serious beatings. Other than when facing Clark, Faora only faces conventional Earth weaponry, which has not been demonstrated to be a problem for Thor.

Thor managed to crush the arm of Tony's armor with one hand, simply by squeezing hard. Tony's suit is certainly not conventional weaponry, and the Kryptonian's face nothing like it. So it's difficult to use as a comparison. Still, the blasts from Tony and the blasts from The Destroyer are of little concern to Thor. He also takes a serious assault from Malekith and continues, largely undaunted. He takes a beating from Kurse and continues on. You see the trend.

Faora doesn't take nearly the super powered pummeling that Thor has demonstrated he can take.

Toughness/Resilience Advantage: Thor.

Sheer running speed? Faora clearly demonstrates that. Of course, simply running fast is of limited help in a fight.

Foot Speed Advantage: Faora.

I'm not seeing the argument about smashing dirt. Do you have any idea the output of a nuclear weapon? And they barely make much a crater. Besides, Thor was using an AOE attack, releasing his lightning. It's not obvious that he was simply trying to damage the ground, and it would be pointless anyway. That argument doesn't hold water. He does manage to smash ice sheets. Cars and planes are collateral damage in his fights, as are hillsides. Farora's own strength feats are in close proximity to Thor's. But when you take his lightning attacks into account, she only has a fraction of his damage output. And he has demonstrated that he can channel it directly through his hammer. So he can use it in close range or at a distance.

Tony's armor specifically absorbs much of the lightning attack, and it still takes damage from the remainder. The Kryptonian armor was never shown to have that capability. So we can't assume that it does. The reasonable assumption is that it will be damaged. And his lightning hits large areas and/or multiple targets. Even if he hits her in the chest, her helmet would likely still suffer damage from the blast. And the helmet was shown to not be nearly as resilient as the rest of the armor.

Discussing Faora's knife is pointless. Loki's weapon is Asgardian. Faora's weapon is Kryptonian. Faora's knife may be no more effective than my knife would be, or it might be just as effective as Loki's. We don't know. Also, Faora was prone to simply punching and kicking more than actually using her blade. So the fight may be over before it even becomes an issue. Any comment about the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of her knife is simply speculation. We don't know.

Final breakdown:

Toughness/Resilience: Thor.

Combat Skill: Thor has the experience and Faora has the training. We can call this a tie.

Running Speed: Faora.

Combat Speed/Reflexes: Both are able to avoid attacks, handle multiple attackers easily and parry assaults. We can can call this a tie.

Raw Strength: More or less equal. We can call this a tie.

Damage Output: Thor takes this one.

Flight: Thor.

Ranged Attack: Thor.

Area Attack: Thor.

Tornado Attack: Thor.

All Thor has to manage is 2-3 hits at most, so that her armor is compromised, if she hasn't already been ko'ed. Once the armor is compromised, the fight is over.

Faora took close combat hits from humans. She also took multiple ranged hits from humans. Thor can hit multiple moving, actively dodging targets at range. He can also fly. He clearly has the ranged advantage. There's no reason to believe Faora would be capable of avoiding that assault and certainly not completely. Thor's charged attacks can hit the area, not just one point of impact. So he can manage that even in close combat. He can easily get a few hits in. That's not even a question. Faora has not been shown to have the decisive damage output. Thor can take hits and keep on going.

Even if you want to push and say that Faora has a speed advantage when it comes to reflexes, it's a marginal advantage. Even if she were able to get two hits in for every one of Thor's, it won't matter. She'll keep pummeling, while he tears apart her armor. Then the fight is over.

Thor.

I'm not saying he'll walk away completely unscathed. But he will be the one who walks away.

Toughness/Resilience: Either way. Thor had to escape that SHIELD trap to survive, so we know his limit. And the only time Faora was down was when she had problems with her suit. I don't really see why you keep talking about her being hit by military. I mean, she felt nothing, she just stood there looking at the bullets bouncing off of her.

Combat Skill: I may have years of experience of fighting in the streets, but if I face a UFC first timer, I am screwed. See my point?

Running Speed: Faora.

Combat Speed/Reflexes: It's not a tie, because we see Superman not being able to land a punch on her in that diner. It proves that her running speed translates directly to her reflexes, which means she's got a huge advantage here.

Raw Strength: It's a tie. Agreed.

Damage Output: If you consider the possibilities of his hammer, then yes, Thor's got this one.

Flight: Thor.

Ranged/Area/Tornado Attack: You keep making new categories just so Thor can take the lead. I'd say all those three fall under 'damage output'.

To sum up, I'd say Thor's only chance is flight. Granted that he manages to take off before she gets him, he may have a chance with his lightening strike. But it's highly unlikely it'd have the desired effect, so he'd have to land some time. Faora decimates him in a blink of an eye, superspeeds to him, snaps his neck or cuts his throat, done deal.

And by the way, I find it funny that it's so unfair here. Thor has Mjolnir, with flight, lightening, while Faora has all the disadvantages: lose armor - lose match, no flight, no heat vision. I mean, if there was a sequel with her, and she took her armor off just like Zod, it'd be no contest whatsoever ;) But that's a little off-topic.

Posted by TheIronLord

@blazinghell: 100% agreed. There's just no way movie Thor beats movie Faora. Period.

Posted by Mr_Winchester

@mr_winchester said:

@fallschirmjager said:

@caseyjustice said:

Thor, for two reasons:

1: Experience. Faora is military trained, but Thor has THOUSANDS of years of combat experience under his belt.

2: The suit. If Faora is not acclimated to Earth conditions, one good crack in the suit (which Mijolnir will readily provide) and she's severely handicapped.

1. For all his years of experience, he shows almost no skill. He brawls in every single fight he's in. Just like comic Thor. Faora on the other hand, displays skill as she dismantles Superman.

2. Those suits tanked small arms fire, Superman's heat vision, 40mm grenade shells, atmospheric reentry, 30mm depleted uranium shells from A-10 warhogs, missile blasts and other massive explosions and more. Its laughable to think they would break so easily. Mjolnir doesn't have feats to suggest it can break them.

Perhaps the suit can hold it's own, but the helmet she wears (which prevents sensory overload) definitely will not hold up well against Thor. *See "Man of Steel: "It hurts doesn't it?" clip. All it took were a few punches and a smash through a gas station to disable Zods helmet.

The fact that Faora is not acclimated to Earth's atmosphere is the deciding factor. No eye lasers and no flight really weaken her in the ranged department. What's to stop Thor from flying up and doing that finishing move he did to the destroyer armour? Picture it: Thor will Fly up and charge up his tornado, if Faora tries to leap and attack she will most definitely be seen coming from a mile away and be swatted out. Thor charges up his tornado, resulting in Faora floating in the air (against which she really can't do anything) following which Thor lights her up like a Christmas tree.

Yes she's fast, skilled and strong. And yes she will definitely give Thor hell. But Thor deserves at least some credit for his warrior background, another scenario involves him without a doubt get into a scuffle with Faora during which her protective helmet will be damaged at which point sensory overload will ensue, resulting in Thor capitalizing and landing the finishing blow.

Thor Wins IMO.

Are you kidding me? That helmet took Superman level punches AND a point blank heat vision. Both by the way, beyond Thor's capabilities.

"Superman level punches" what is that exactly? in this debate that doesn't count for very much as his strength level in the movies is vastly reduced from his comic book counter part. So "Superman level punches ain't saying much, I'll give you the heat vision at point blank but I do feel a nice jolt from mjolnir should do equal if not greater damage, after all what's the most powerful thing you've seen superman's eye lasers do in MOS? melt ice or steel think.

And what happened when Superman tried to fly up in their fight? He got pulled down. The same thing would happen here. Thor doesn't have the speed to get himself airborne in time.

Assuming Thor is dumb enough to fly away from Faora from as close range as Superman did, yes he'll get pulled down. His flight speed may not be kryptonian level but there are ways Thor can get airborne, his main challenge is establishing a distance between himself and Faora which isn't impossible given his area of effect attacks and ranged attacks.

Remember when she leapt at the JET?! You know something that moves a hell of a lot faster than Thor. She almost destroyed it (leaping up to the same level) had it not been saved by Supes. That and the fact that he has to reeve himself every time he needs to.

She leapt at a JET and almost destroyed it had it not been saved by Supes? What, are you saying that will happen to Thor if he's airborne? Assuming Thor does become airborne he'll see Faora coming at him (just like the pilot did) and either blast her out of the air or wait for her to get close enough and give her a big ol whack. Thor having to reeve himself is an issue yes but as I said earlier, provided Thor can knock her back a few giving him that little space of time he needs he can become airborne.

His warrior background won't help. He has shown 0 martial arts feats unlike Faora who completely schooled Clark in that department. His technique is basically this: pull up hammer, smash, rinse and repeat. He doesn't even have the power to put her out.

The fact that Faora schooled Clark doesn't say much. That would be the equivalent of a soldier owning a random civilian in a fight. Clark has not demonstrated any background or knowledge in the combat arts, Thor on the other hand obviously has. Yes his fighting style seems gung-ho at times but the fact remains he has the mentality and competence to respond to Faoras fighting style. After watching the fight between her and Clark again I noticed that Clark was getting the upper hand had it not been for the interference of Nam-ek.

In fact upon closer observation I noticed Faoras combat speed his actually seen in the form of closing the distance between her and her opponent(s) her style doesn't actually focus on Throwing a barrage of high speed punches, rather it entails powerful small quantity of strikes. In short I think she'll give Thor a helluva challenge but at close range she's highly susceptible to being hit by miojlnir, and I doubt she's tanked anything like that which'll result in her helmet being damaged.

Posted by ForeverEvil
Posted by Luchian

Toughness/Resilience: Either way. Thor had to escape that SHIELD trap to survive, so we know his limit. And the only time Faora was down was when she had problems with her suit. I don't really see why you keep talking about her being hit by military. I mean, she felt nothing, she just stood there looking at the bullets bouncing off of her.

Combat Skill: I may have years of experience of fighting in the streets, but if I face a UFC first timer, I am screwed. See my point?

Running Speed: Faora.

Combat Speed/Reflexes: It's not a tie, because we see Superman not being able to land a punch on her in that diner. It proves that her running speed translates directly to her reflexes, which means she's got a huge advantage here.

Raw Strength: It's a tie. Agreed.

Damage Output: If you consider the possibilities of his hammer, then yes, Thor's got this one.

Flight: Thor.

Ranged/Area/Tornado Attack: You keep making new categories just so Thor can take the lead. I'd say all those three fall under 'damage output'.

To sum up, I'd say Thor's only chance is flight. Granted that he manages to take off before she gets him, he may have a chance with his lightening strike. But it's highly unlikely it'd have the desired effect, so he'd have to land some time. Faora decimates him in a blink of an eye, superspeeds to him, snaps his neck or cuts his throat, done deal.

And by the way, I find it funny that it's so unfair here. Thor has Mjolnir, with flight, lightening, while Faora has all the disadvantages: lose armor - lose match, no flight, no heat vision. I mean, if there was a sequel with her, and she took her armor off just like Zod, it'd be no contest whatsoever ;) But that's a little off-topic.

TR

We don't know that the fall/trap would have killed Thor. That's speculation. And even SHIELD wasn't completely certain it would work. It's not like it had ever been tested. So we can't say that it would have worked on Thor. Besides, Thor shrugged off hits from Hulk, who was able to smash that massive alien creature with one punch. So no, I'm not convinced that the SHIELD trap would have killed Thor. There's nothing demonstrating that it would have actually been successful.

CS

Having trained in Taekwondo, Hapkido, Tang Soo Do, Karate, Judo and Kung Fu, as well as having been in my fair share of brawls: no. I really don't see your point. I've been in competition. My mom still has trophies I won somewhere collecting dust. I've also been in actual fights. So no, they're not the same thing. The real deal is much different. There are no rules in a real fight. There is no ref. Thor has centuries of dealing with that reality.

I'll take an experienced street fighter over someone who is just starting out in MMA every time. Years of experience will trump training virtually every time. I was beating black belts when I was a green and blue belt. Having training doesn't automatically make you good. Marines and soldiers train so that they'll be prepared for a real fight. But every one of them will tell you that the real deal is quite different. Ask a cop if training at the local gym makes you %100 ready for a street brawl. Or I can just save you the trouble: the answer is no. I've trained with police officers. My uncle was a police officer. My cousin was in the FBI. I've heard the stories. It's not the same. One of my friends is a Marine, who trained Marines. And he has seen combat. It's different. And there's a limit to how much they can prepare you for the reality.

If anything, in terms of skill Thor will have the advantage due to experience. He's still alive, so he must have some genuine skills. In giving a tie to Faora, I'm assuming she has some degree of experience, as well as training. That'll help immensely.

CSRWait, a Kansas farm boy couldn't land a hit on a trained, experienced soldier? And this translates to the fight with Thor, how? Exactly. It doesn't demonstrate anything. Given similar circumstances (fighting multiple combatants), Faora and Thor have performed on a fairly even level. Even if we give the edge to Faora, it's marginal.

When Clark was fighting Zod, he was getting smacked around like a rag doll. Superman isn't terribly super yet when it comes to a fight. That was demonstrated repeatedly. But that says more about Clark than it does about anyone else. MoS is his origin story. He's not supposed to be "the world's greatest super hero" yet. And that was made pretty obvious.

RATA

Yes, they do fall under "damage output". But they also show his versatility. Thor doesn't even have to get close to Faora to take her down. And the tornado would render her basically helpless, while he proceeds to take her out. Even if he is in close, he can still manage his AOE hits. That's significant when damaging Faora's armor, and it helps him to render her speed much less effective.

Heat vision was never demonstrated to be anywhere near to Thor's lightning in terms of damage output. One serious blast from Thor may well slag Faora's armor, especially her helmet, which was shown to be less durable. Even if she can take a couple rounds, we know Thor can last.

The armored alien beast had insane armor that Iron Man couldn't penetrate with his best attacks. Yet Thor blasted it with no difficulty. Point Thor.

In Conclusion:

Ranged:

This goes to Thor. That's not even a question. Faora has nothing she can manage, if she's kept at a distance.

Toe-to-toe:

Faora is on more equal footing. But she's not The Flash. She hasn't demonstrated anything like that level of speed. Thor will gets hits in. They will count. The only chance Faora has is if she can A) close the distance before taking damage/being taken down and B) put Thor down before he manages to do any real damage to her up close. It's all on her to not screw up. And those are both iffy. We know Thor can last in a fight. Putting him down is not going to be easy like Sunday morning.

I'm not saying that this is a clean sweep for Thor. But it's certainly, significantly in his favor.

Posted by BigCimmerian

Thor wins. Faora wasn't very fast. She had peak human speed at best.

Posted by AsgardianXeno929

Are you kidding me? That helmet took Superman level punches AND a point blank heat vision. Both by the way, beyond Thor's capabilities. And what happened when Superman tried to fly up in their fight? He got pulled down. The same thing would happen here. Thor doesn't have the speed to get himself airborne in time. Remember when she leapt at the JET?! You know something that moves a hell of a lot faster than Thor. She almost destroyed it (leaping up to the same level) had it not been saved by Supes. That and the fact that he has to reeve himself everytime he needs to. His warrior background won't help. He has shown 0 martial arts feats unlike Faora who completely schooled clark in that department. His technique is basically this: pull up hammer, smash, rinse and repeat. He doesn't even have the power to put her out.

Thor isnt slower than a jet, he landed on the Quinjet in Avengers pretty easily.

What do you call his fighting the trained soldiers in Thor 1? Military trained soldiers didnt fare too well, and Faora is military trained too. Or his fight with the frost giants, fight with iron man and hulk in avengers (dodging and countering hulk), or in TDW when he fought on Vanaheim, or broke an elf's neck with one hand while not even stopping to fight them, etc. That counts as skill, it doesnt have to be flashy to be effective.

@asgardianxeno929 said:

@luchian: (can't quote on phone) to elaborate on some of your points: in vanaheim, Thor would have not have wanted to destroy land, one of his best friends lives there. Unlike superman, he actually cares about collateral damage {playful jab}. And Loki's dagger is possibly enchanted, In Thor 1 he stabs a frost giant and it glows, and he mentions he has 'my' dagger in Thor 2.

they never mentioned it was enchanted and also as its been posted a few times, there is no magic in the asgardian movie world

Then why was it glowing? Normal daggers dont glow, and as shown in The Dark World, asgardians have weapons with some sort of energy field around them, most likely to allow them to hurt each other.

Toughness/Resilience: Either way. Thor had to escape that SHIELD trap to survive, so we know his limit. And the only time Faora was down was when she had problems with her suit. I don't really see why you keep talking about her being hit by military. I mean, she felt nothing, she just stood there looking at the bullets bouncing off of her.

Combat Skill: I may have years of experience of fighting in the streets, but if I face a UFC first timer, I am screwed. See my point?

Running Speed: Faora.

Combat Speed/Reflexes: It's not a tie, because we see Superman not being able to land a punch on her in that diner. It proves that her running speed translates directly to her reflexes, which means she's got a huge advantage here.

Raw Strength: It's a tie. Agreed.

Damage Output: If you consider the possibilities of his hammer, then yes, Thor's got this one.

Flight: Thor.

Ranged/Area/Tornado Attack: You keep making new categories just so Thor can take the lead. I'd say all those three fall under 'damage output'.

To sum up, I'd say Thor's only chance is flight. Granted that he manages to take off before she gets him, he may have a chance with his lightening strike. But it's highly unlikely it'd have the desired effect, so he'd have to land some time. Faora decimates him in a blink of an eye, superspeeds to him, snaps his neck or cuts his throat, done deal.

And by the way, I find it funny that it's so unfair here. Thor has Mjolnir, with flight, lightening, while Faora has all the disadvantages: lose armor - lose match, no flight, no heat vision. I mean, if there was a sequel with her, and she took her armor off just like Zod, it'd be no contest whatsoever ;) But that's a little off-topic.

Should he have just sat there and waited for it to crash while his brother was causing mayhem on the helicarrier?

Posted by ForeverEvil

Thor wins. Faora wasn't very fast. She had peak human speed at best.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Wardemon32

@luchian:

What. Are. You. Talking. About....question mark.

Everyone keeps talking about Faora's speed. Granted, she runs very fast. She could easily close the distance to get in close to Thor, provided he just stays on the ground. But then people talk about her combat speed and completely ignore the fact that she gets tagged repeatedly in combat by humans. They get hits in when she closes the distance, especially when she's facing multiple opponents. They get hits in, they just accomplish nothing with them. She also takes hits from ranged attackers, especially when they have numbers. But they're also using conventional Earth weaponry. Thor is not.

Could she dodge those hits? Maybe. But we can only go with what's demonstrated. And what's demonstrated is that she doesn't. So any attempt to say that she would/could is pure speculation. She doesn't.

Thor manages to hit multiple enemies, which are flying and attempting to actively avoid his attack, when he's trying to bottleneck the invasion in NYC. Most of them get destroyed. The large worm thing takes serious damage. We don't know if it was destroyed, because we don't see it after it reenters the portal. But it still took some serious damage, regardless. And it wasn't even a concentrated blast. He was taking out multiple other enemies with the same attack. It's plausible that a concentrated attack would have obliterated it completely. Yes, that last sentence was speculative.

"She gets tagged repeatedly in combat by humans". Um. What? You mean when she just stands there looking at them like their stupid and they really think their going to hurt her with missiles and bullets right? Why would she need to move if its going to do 0% damage.

And he wont have to do that lightnign strike within battle. And that isn't in character. The only electric strikes we are really going to see him do is the one from his hammer.

Thor can also manage his tornado attack that he used against The Destroyer.

Thor can fly.

Also: Faora can't fly.

Ranged Advantage: Thor.

Their jumpign is basically them flying. And what does he do after he levels her? And do you think she's just going to sit there and let him do that? She's not really that type.

Having seen Thor 1, 2 and Avengers, it seems obvious that Thor can take some serious beatings. Other than when facing Clark, Faora only faces conventional Earth weaponry, which has not been demonstrated to be a problem for Thor.

Nope. In 1 he didn't even take any Earth weapons. Two he didn't also. And in three I don't even recall him being shot by teh chitarui once. He runs away from the bullets of a F-22 and she stands there bravery with full confidence knowing she can take the blast. A few armor feats.

  • Takes multiple bullets from the A-10(30mm rounds)
  • Takes the impact of being blitzed, then impact from two exploding factory tanks, then slammed onto the ground, then punched a time on the mask by a pissed off superman, then gets dragged through the ground, then takes the explosion of a gas tank.
  • Takes laser vision from Superman
  • Takes teh explsion from a coal train.

Don't you remember when Thor was being hurt by Iron-Mans repulsor rays and punches?

Thor managed to crush the arm of Tony's armor with one hand, simply by squeezing hard. Tony's suit is certainly not conventional weaponry, and the Kryptonian's face nothing like it. So it's difficult to use as a comparison. Still, the blasts from Tony and the blasts from The Destroyer are of little concern to Thor. He also takes a serious assault from Malekith and continues, largely undaunted. He takes a beating from Kurse and continues on. You see the trend.

When Superman was about 13 he was able to crush a pole until it was flat effortlessly. Thor didn't even crush it easily. Come on. In my eyes Malekith barely did anything. Iron-Man seemed to haev done better than him.

Final breakdown:

Toughness/Resilience: Thor.

Combat Skill: Thor has the experience and Faora has the training. We can call this a tie.

Running Speed: Faora.

Combat Speed/Reflexes: Both are able to avoid attacks, handle multiple attackers easily and parry assaults. We can can call this a tie.

Raw Strength: More or less equal. We can call this a tie.

Damage Output: Thor takes this one.

Flight: Thor.

Ranged Attack: Thor.

Area Attack: Thor.

Tornado Attack: Thor.

Toughness goes to Thor? You do realize that she has a suit on protecting her right? A suit that Thor would barely be able to penetrate and she's only getting stronger by the minute right?

Combat skill goes to Thor? Woah woah woah. Please tell me what skill did he really show. Experience doesn't mean anything. If i'm a boxer but I'm fighting a guy that punches harder and is 2x my speed I'm going down. Experience doesn't mean anything when you look at the stats. In that first gif you can clearly see she has more skill.

Running speed. Of course.

Combat Speed and reflexes a tie? Do you see how fast these people punch? And did he dodge machine gun fire? I know he ran from it....

Raw Strength: Okay. But she'll only get stronger anyways.

Damage output: Do you mean punches. Then no. Even if; what does this matter if Mjolnir couldn't even penetrate her armor or even hurt her?

Flight: She can easily catch him by jumping.

Area Attack: Irrelevant but goes to Thor.

Tornado Attack: Irrelecant but goes to Thor.

Posted by ForeverEvil

thor showed normal human movements while faora showed superspeed. she wins this. plain and simple.

Posted by BigCimmerian

@blazinghell: Wolverine and Batman are faster than this. If you really think this is fast for comic book or even Thor movie standards, then it is your problem.

Edited by Wardemon32

@bigcimmerian:

Lol. Wolverine and Batman are faster than that? I really hope you're exaggerating or something. So they can get about 12 feet in one second while stopping to hit someone? And Thor moved faster than Faora? Gifs? Video? Proof?

Posted by KingAres109

Faora had peak human stats in MoS??Wow...I don't believe that....

Posted by Wardemon32

@bigcimmerian:

Lol. Wolverine and Batman are faster than that? I really hope you're exaggerating or something. So they can get about 12 feet in one second while stopping to hit someone? And Thor moved faster than Faora? Gifs? Video? Proof?

Posted by ForeverEvil

@blazinghell: Wolverine and Batman are faster than this. If you really think this is fast for comic book or even Thor movie standards, then it is your problem.

lol stop trolling man. this is movie version and yes this is WAY faster than thor moved in combat. if you feel differently then prove thor is faster in combat. i feel stupid even typing that cause i know damn well that you cant prove it since ive seen all of these movies and thor has NOT displayed anything other than regular human speed during combat. dont insult our intelligence. stop trolling dude, youre better than that

Edited by Fallschirmjager

Thor has never used his flight abilities in combat by the way. He only uses it for travel.

Trying to argue an advantage for him there is silly.

@wardemon32 he is a Fanboy. Ignore him.

Posted by BigCimmerian

@foreverevil: What are you trying to prove me? That Faora is faster than Thor? No need for that, I know she's faster, but you people are making it like she's going light speed lol. Black Panther and Batman moved faster than Faora in this gif.

@bigcimmerian:

Lol. Wolverine and Batman are faster than that? I really hope you're exaggerating or something. So they can get about 12 feet in one second while stopping to hit someone? And Thor moved faster than Faora? Gifs? Video? Proof?

Ok I exaggarated it a bit, but her speed is still peak human lol. Maybe she wasn't going at full speed in this gif, but street levelers like Wolverine and Batman have moved like blur and faster than blink of an eye.

Faora had peak human stats in MoS??Wow...I don't believe that....

Only her speed.

Posted by ForeverEvil

@foreverevil: What are you trying to prove me? That Faora is faster than Thor? No need for that, I know she's faster, but you people are making it like she's going light speed lol. Black Panther and Batman moved faster than Faora in this gif.

@wardemon32 said:

@bigcimmerian:

Lol. Wolverine and Batman are faster than that? I really hope you're exaggerating or something. So they can get about 12 feet in one second while stopping to hit someone? And Thor moved faster than Faora? Gifs? Video? Proof?

Ok I exaggarated it a bit, but her speed is still peak human lol. Maybe she wasn't going at full speed in this gif, but street levelers like Wolverine and Batman have moved like blur and faster than blink of an eye.

@kingares109 said:

Faora had peak human stats in MoS??Wow...I don't believe that....

Only her speed.

lol yea thats what im trying to prove but youre acting like youre trolling by saying things like shes peak human. you must not know what that means. unless youre still thinking that this is comic versions. REMEMBER this is MOVIE versions. and the people involved are faora and thor. faora is MUCH faster than thor. but since you agree theres nothing left to say

Posted by TheIronLord

@luchian:

Let me start with the combat thing. I'm no expert, which clearly you are, so I'll stick to movies this time, no real-life analogies. You and many people here keep talking about how experienced he is. But how do you know that? Was it stated in the films? You don't know about Faora's past either. You don't know how long Kryptonians live, you don't know how many fights she had. So when you say Thor's still alive hence he has to be good, I have to say the same thing about her. Besides, from what we've seen in the movies, Thor has no fighting skills and is pretty dumb while fighting. Loki keeps on fooling him with that hologram thing time and time again. So this tells me his experience doesn't do much good, as he just doesn't learn. When he wins, he wins by overpowering his opponents and swinging his hammer. While Faora has speed, agility, strength and military training (plus experience). She's not dumb when she fights, which is also important here.

You also can't just assume his lightnings would damage her armor. Iron Man's suit took it as a power up. So I can assume that her armor is equipped with electricity resistance/absorption. After all, their technology is pretty advanced.

I can give the tornado thing, though. If caught in it, she'd have a problem. But then again, I'd say it'd be extremely difficult to catch her in it.

His flight isn't as much of an advantage as people think it is. It takes time for him to take off. Not that much time, of course, but it makes all the difference.

And by the way, just because Iron Man wasn't able to penetrate that alien's armor and Thor was, it doesn't make it an admirable feat. Iron Man is not on Thor's power level, he's like Captain America to Hulk. And just his fight with Iron Man alone should be proof enough. He was having problems with Iron Man and you claim he'd take Faora.

Posted by ForeverEvil

@bigcimmerian:

Lol. Wolverine and Batman are faster than that? I really hope you're exaggerating or something. So they can get about 12 feet in one second while stopping to hit someone? And Thor moved faster than Faora? Gifs? Video? Proof?

give him a break. thor is one of his favorite comic characters. he's just frustrated and acting crazy because of that. but he knows better

Edited by BigCimmerian

@foreverevil: Ok, let me say this again. Faora is faster than Thor, but her speed isn't problem, because it's barely above peak human and I've seen peak humans move faster than that. I didn't even say Thor wins, both of them lack feats, but you should know and see her speed isn't problem for Thor.

In the scan bellow Bats changed cups in the blink of an eye. That is faster than Faora in that gif.

Again this Bats feat is the same if not better than Faora's.

Posted by AsgardianXeno929

He was fighting evenly with both Iron Man AND hulk which by the way is HUGE insult because neither of those characters are even powerful enough to kiss Faora's boots. He fought a military trained man and won...that is your argument?!

Thor is a hell of a lot slower than a Jet. All of his showings are of him at normal human speed. And everytime he needs to take off he needs to rev up.

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS.

First of all. That was a ridiculous brawl of attrition. There was nothing but brawling on either side. The stronger guy won. There was no noticeable feat of martial skill on either side. Whereas in MoS the differences between the krypt soldiers and Kal's fighting style are largely marked which Faora used to toy with him. Thor wins because he is stronger in all of his encounters unfortunately in this match he isn't.. He isn't witty or sly or even skilled in combat. He can barely contend with the speed of Iron Man. Not to mention that CA's shield stopped the mighty hammer. All of Thor's opponents pretty much just stand there and let themselves get hit.

He was winning against iron man, and either fiege or whedon said he only got mad when cap got there, which is why he effortlessly tossed iron man away. And he wasnt trying to take out hulk, he was trying to reason with him. I never mentioned they could fight faora, i dont believe they stand a chance.

Then how did he catch the quinjet? and he didnt need to rev up when he was knocked into the air by malekith, as soon as he got his bearings he flew right back, at speeds resembling MOS speed bursts.

He was human levels then and easily beat all of the highly trained men there, Coulson makes it clear how impresive that was. hell, even in that gif of the diner or against the humans, she isnt using much skill. countering superman's wild punches that i learned to do in grade school in karate classes? using my superior speed and strength to one punch a bunch of humans? not too impressive.

You mean ironman who surprise attacked him and then almost got beaten?

The whole point of the shield is to be indestructible, and even then the hit destroyed a large area of the mountain. and that was a weakened thor, the prelude comic explained that thor was weakened in avengers because of how odin sent him to earth.

Posted by ForeverEvil

@foreverevil: Ok, let me say this again. Faora is faster than Thor, but her speed isn't problem, because it's barely above peak human and I've seen peak humans move faster than that. I didn't even say Thor wins, both of them lack feats, but you should know and see her speed isn't problem for Thor.

In the scan bellow Bats changed cups in the blink of an eye. That is faster than Faora in that gif.

Again this Bats feat is the same if not better than Faora's.

SO MUCH FAIL. THAT IS A COMIC BOOK! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH???????? lol geeeeez

Posted by Back_stabbath95

If this truly is movie version ten she has barely been in contact with yellow sun thir would pulverize her though her speed would piss Thor off ibsay he would take it

Posted by AsgardianXeno929

SO MUCH FAIL. THAT IS A COMIC BOOK! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH???????? lol geeeeez

Why are you so mean to others? If you don't like what they say, yelling at them isn't going to fix it.

Posted by ForeverEvil

@foreverevil said:

SO MUCH FAIL. THAT IS A COMIC BOOK! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH???????? lol geeeeez

Why are you so mean to others? If you don't like what they say, yelling at them isn't going to fix it.

not yelling thats why i said lol geeeeeez. i hit all caps so that he can see it better. figured THAT had to be the problem. i had already said its not comic versions a few times. figured he the only logical reason why he kept bringing comics up was cause he couldnt see me continually telling him the same thing. figured id help him with all caps.

Posted by TheIronLord

@luchian: Heat vision melted that huge steel bar Zod was swinging at Superman in a second, so I'd say it's pretty dangerous. Don't know how to compare it to Thor's lightnings as far as damage output goes, but I'd say they're more or less equally dangerous. So yeah, I don't think the lightning strike would ko her/compromise her armor.

Posted by Admiral_IronBeast

@reactor said:

Thor TDW must have some wicked showings, because out of Thor and the Avengers, Faora outclasses him in everything except flight and projection.

In the Dark World there were a ton of feats:

Mjolnir is seen shooting out of Earth's atmosphere in less than three seconds--power potentially capable of breaking her suit, albeit it would have to be a direct and full power blow which might not happen in city environment

Thor's lightning is capable of temporarily dismantling the dark ether, which is one of the most powerful objects in the Marvel U--it's part of Thanos's omnipotence glove, the Infinity Gauntlet

Thor and Loki battle Kurse--an enemy immune to Mjolnir--and win via a trick, showing Thor fights with his mind and his hammer...Also it is notable that Mjolnir had pretty much not affect on Kurse yet Thor still won, meaning Thor could potentially winn even though the dials on Krypton go up to 11...

Thor organizes and ingenious plan using warriors three, Loki and others--showing that he his truly a master strategist, a trait Faora does not have

Thor demonstrates how he can use his abs to once again seduce the supermodel/scientist for no apart reason

Thor demonstrates complete control of rain--which could be used to overload Faora's senses since she is not used to earth

Also in Thor 2 it becomes clear Thor can always communicate with Heimdall, meaning Thor can launch himself/or anyone else to any realm he wishes--I would consider this standard gear, meaning if Thor is about to lose he can pull a draw via battlefield removal

So yes, TDW did have some game-changing feats.

Edited by Wardemon32

@admiral_ironbeast:

Mjolnir is seen shooting out of Earth's atmosphere in less than three seconds--power potentially capable of breaking her suit, albeit it would have to be a direct and full power blow which might not happen in city environment

Honestly this was so inconsistent.

Thor's lightning is capable of temporarily dismantling the dark ether, which is one of the most powerful objects in the Marvel U--it's part of Thanos's omnipotence glove, the Infinity Gauntlet

Since when was the Aether part of the Infinity Gaunlet? The IG isn't omnipotent its night* omnipotent. And either way the IG has no feats under its belt.

Thor and Loki battle Kurse--an enemy immune to Mjolnir--and win via a trick, showing Thor fights with his mind and his hammer...Also it is notable that Mjolnir had pretty much not affect on Kurse yet Thor still won, meaning Thor could potentially winn even though the dials on Krypton go up to 11...

Thor didn't do sh*t. He didn't even know what the "trick" was(btw don't spoil it for others). It was Loki that did all of the work and actually beat Kurse and that wasn't even from physical harm from them; it was a grenade. Thor would have died and its not like they have the grenades here.

Thor organizes and ingenious plan using warriors three, Loki and others--showing that he his truly a master strategist, a trait Faora does not have

It's not like it was some crazy plan but it was impressive. But thats not battle wise. I don't see how he'd transform that into this battle and that doesn't make him a "master" strageist. A master strategist is consistent at what they do.

Thor demonstrates how he can use his abs to once again seduce the supermodel/scientist for no apart reason

Thor demonstrates complete control of rain--which could be used to overload Faora's senses since she is not used to earth

Also in Thor 2 it becomes clear Thor can always communicate with Heimdall, meaning Thor can launch himself/or anyone else to any realm he wishes--I would consider this standard gear, meaning if Thor is about to lose he can pull a draw via battlefield removal

So yes, TDW did have some game-changing feats.

Dont get the abs thing. Rain? Seriously? Rain? You think that would really work? Okay.

He can't have outside help unless the OP says he can. And he wouldn't do that in character.

Posted by Sebast_Allen

You guys know there's only one answer to this.

They fight to a draw because: Thor's power > Faora's power.

Faora's fighting skill and speed > Thor's skill and speed.

Then they end up banging each other. amirite?

Yeah

Posted by BigCimmerian

@foreverevil: So? Comic book peak humans are faster than MoS Kryptonians.

Posted by ForeverEvil

@foreverevil: So? Comic book peak humans are faster than MoS Kryptonians.

hey buddy. do you understand that this does not involve comic characters? this is movie versions. do you get that??

Edited by Fallschirmjager

@foreverevil said:

@bigcimmerian said:

@foreverevil: So? Comic book peak humans are faster than MoS Kryptonians.

hey buddy. do you understand that this does not involve comic characters? this is movie versions. do you get that??

comic book peak humans > mos Kryptonians > Thor

still don't understand what he is trying to prove.

Never seen a peak human 1-shot 12 guys in a couple seconds either. Or fly up and down the atmosphere in a few seconds. Or jump from the ground and intercept attack planes.

But hey. Whatever.

Edited by ForeverEvil

@foreverevil said:
@bigcimmerian said:

@foreverevil: So? Comic book peak humans are faster than MoS Kryptonians.

hey buddy. do you understand that this does not involve comic characters? this is movie versions. do you get that??

comic book peak humans > mos Kryptonians > Thor

still don't understand what he is trying to prove.

Never seen a peak human 1-shot 12 guys in a couple seconds either. Or fly up and down the atmosphere in a few seconds. Or jump from the ground and intercept attack planes.

But hey. Whatever.

im starting to think he may be a young kid

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