Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Black Widow vs. Talon

um does black widow have any ice weapon or is the fight in a location that is really cold if not then she is screwed

The talons are near unkillable, widow would have more stories to work with but id give it to talon

It would definitely help if it was really cold. I'm pretty confident Talon can take the majority, but it should be a good fight.

@darknightspideyfanboy: Nope and nope, it's a random encounter and in a generic downtown city setting. So yeah, I'd like to say that she's screwed but good fight nonetheless.

• Knockout, incapacitation or death all count as elimination. Making a tactical retreat counts as a loss, too.

I know comparatively little on both combatants, but I know even less for Talon except that he's undead or something, what has he done?

@vmole: he was the primary assassin sent to kill Batman, still getting my argument together but I know in Arkham War he almost singlehandidly fought through all of the Arkham villians which included (Victor Zassz, Man-Bat, Sumo and other enhanced villians)

I picture this fight going down the exact way Damian and his Talon fight did

If she shoots him in the head he may heal but that counts as a knockout. I think she's far from screwed.

From my Knowledge Widow doesn't usually come equipped with blades so it wouldn't be easy for her to repeat what Damian did. I do know that she usually comes equipped with guns which William is easily capable of doglegging or just straight up tanking as they hardly have an effect on him. On the other hand tho Black Widow is very smart and would most likely catch on an opt to use here guns at some point just not off the bat since she is in character.

Widow is an excellent Marksman and would most likely get some shots off and quickly realize her guns have no effect on William. Like I stated before Widow is pretty smart so she'd most likely opt to using her guns to take some more of Williams more vital spots. Widow could replicate what Batwing did by blowing Talons arms off or with her Marksmanship could probably blow Williams legs off or she could do both leaving Talon immobilized and at this point she could do whatever she wants with Cobb.

As for Cobb he doesn't really have morals and would try to kill widow off the bat. I'd imagine Cobb taking out the lights and easily sneaking behind widow and easily take her down with three swipes or less of his daggers. Also I'd like to mention that while Widow could replicate what Batwing did his fire arms were at a much higher caliber and I don't think her bullets would pierce his armor.

I see Cobb winning this as I think he would use the environment better to his advantage, the fact he will opt to killing right off the bat, Cobb could easily avoided Widows bullets and keep on her so she can't get the ability to snipe him tho I doubt she will be able to even keep up with him anyway and the fact that Widow has no real way of putting Cobb down as her bullets wouldn't pierce his armor and Widow's h2h wouldn't help much ether as I'd think they fight on equal grounds but Talons attacks would do more damage as Widow doesn't have his healing factor

Widow, more history and thus more feats accumulated

I kinda wanna say that Striks should be fighting blackWidow.

Talon.

Talon definitely wins.

@granitesoldier: Why would that count Batman dropped him like 50 stories off of Wayne Tower crushing a car and the moment Batman turned to look at him he was already gone Talon's healing is basicaly instantaneous so unless Widow has a Katana hidden up her ass Talons going to tank all her shots get in close and cut her to pieces

Black Widows character backstory has her undergoing the Russian equivalent of the same treatment as Captain America, and having similar abilities.

Since CA would beat a talon, I would assume BW would for the same reasons.

I'm going to have to go with Talon. He's a straight up boss in the comics.

not voting but i'll say the talon but black widow will win the votes

Well, if you'd vote you would see the polar opposite is true right now.

@lordofthenorth: And yet he KO'd him in the maze.

@granitesoldier: ya some big writer inconsistance their but we also have to remember that Batman is far stonger and vastly better at h2h than Widow so just becuase Batman can knock Talon out dosnt mean she can

Ummm...Snyder created Talon and the Court of Owls. How is it writer inconsistency?

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: @lordofthenorth: My point is that you need to look at everything as an entirety. Batman never put a .45 through Talons head, so to think Talons would get half his head blown off and walk away isn't exactly realistic. Natasha has all the tools, skills, and capable intent to put this guy down. I'm not saying she wins, I'm saying its a good fight.

@granitesoldier: I'm on your side lol. I don't see how Talon being knocked out is inconsistent when Snyder was the one that created him in the first place.

@k4tzm4n why is this and voting separate?

Talon..im not too sure how Black Widow would keep up with his regeneration.

Because the article itself can't have a poll.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Oh I know my post just tagged you both haha.

What's the extent of Talon's regeneration abilities? Is it like Wolverine where he can somehow regenerate from a skin cell or is it limited regeneration like Blade's where if any significant damage is done against a vital part of his body (blow half his head off or something) will kill him but anything less than that he can completely regenerate from barring limbs and such?

I mean Widow still has a good shot in turning Talon's head into a sieve, right?

@k4tzm4n: makes sense

It makes so much that some might even say it makes dollars.

@k4tzm4n: lol I remember that episode

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Becuase at the begaining of the arc Talon falls off a 50 story building and walks away but Batman can knock him out with his punches just becuase its the same writer dosnt mean their cant be inconsistances

Because it is the same writer, Snyder obviously had his reasons to why Talon would be able to get knocked out. I'm pretty sure Talon was still knocked out from falling from that great height.

Cobb has meta-human stamina, strength and agility while Black Widow is at peak level condition which itself isn't enough since Cobb can slap Batman around. Widow weights 60 kilos and Batman is almost double her weight. Not mentioning that unless she's played by Scarlett Johansson her tits breasts are the size of her head each, which is nice but also a lot of dead weight to carry during combat. The fact that Cobb uses melee weapons also works for him. She could perhaps make him drop a sword but he has a whole belt of knives (I don't rly know if that's true) on his chest. Widow has some tear gas in her standard eq but he's fully protected from it.

How I imagine it would (in a short version) they'd fight gadgets vs toys at controlled distance and after a minute she'd get rid of his sword and start hand to hand combat in which after a few defensive moves William would overcome and start the offense. Widow wouldn't be ultimately able to stop the offence (not that she wouldn't try her best using some trick moves). At one point during his series of strikes she would calculate her chances of winning again and choose not to be beaten and stabbed to death ergo make a tactical retreat. William Cobb wins!

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: never mind i went and took a look at my trade and he does get knocked dont know why i thought he didnt but he isnt out for very long

What? I flipped through the issue and only saw that Talon fell onto the car and was knocked out for an extended period of time. As far as I remember, Cobb only reappears at the end of issue #3.

He also dispatched Alton Carver pretty swiftly by kicking him off the building, where he fell to the sewers and was downed for a bit before resurfacing. I'm not sure if you have scans of Cobb walking off his impact with the car, as I haven't read COURT OF THE OWLS/NIGHT OF THE OWLS in a year or so.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: check my comment i corrected myself but he does get up in the issues when he is being taken away

I just joined and I want to add that those weekly battles are a cool idea and I already enjoy geeking out in here.

Ah okay. Still, if Cobb was taken out of the game for that long, it's enough to consider it a win in Bruce's favor. Natasha has a chance of winning here.

Welcome to the site and thanks!

talon is good enough to put up a fight with batman

soooooo

William cobb definately he took down nightwing, dick got him lucklily with electricity. Talon beast natasha

Not really. When Bruce fought him as Wayne, he commented he had to hold back to not give away his skill -- and he still won. Then, Talon had to ambush and drug Batman to give him hell -- even then he lost. Talon isn't Batman's equal or has what it takes to beat him for a majority with these rules.

True, but let's not act like Black Widow is anywhere near Batman's level in terms of combat.

No one is. If anyone wishes to support Natasha here, they'll likely cite her agility and gear being able to lead her to victory, not her hand-to-hand abilities.