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Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Black Widow vs. Talon

Marvel's Natasha Romanova or DC's William Cobb? These two are about to square off and the winner will be determined by you. Yes, you. So, get in here and vote!

To celebrate Black Widow's new series (by Nathan Edmondson and Phil Noto), we thought it would be really fun to give the Avenger a real challenge. This week, she's facing off against Bane's latest ally in ARKHAM WAR: the Talon named William Cobb. Will the Marvel hero overcome or will the DC villain claim the victory? Well, it turns out that'll be up to you. Yeah, you. We know that's a lot of pressure, so don't feel rushed to vote if you're not sure how this fight would go down. The poll will be open until Friday morning (ET), so that should give you plenty of time to research both characters and then cast your vote/speak your mind in the debate.

Comic Vine Battle of the Week Rules

  • Random encounter (aka no prep).
  • In character.
  • Standard gear.
  • Knockout, incapacitation or death all count as elimination. Making a tactical retreat counts as a loss, too.
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated, at night and all standard city lights remain on. They start roughly 20 feet apart and visible. There's a lot of cover between them (a variety of idle vehicles, bus stops, dumpster bins, benches, etc.). The entire city region is on limits (rooftops, inside buildings, alleyways, sewers, etc.).
  • It's not mandatory, but if you take time to vote, elaborating as well would be extra awesome. Keep things informative and your post could be the next Viner Argument of the Week!

Click the following link to cast your vote. Again, it would be extra cool if you could get your elaboration on as well. If you vote for a side, be sure to tell us why. Oh, and do try to remember this is just a conversation about fictional characters fighting, so keep things informative and not personal.

CLICK HERE TO VOTE!!!

Viners, you have the week to research, debate and vote! This means there's no reason to vote right away if you don't have all of the info you need to make an educated decision. Check the homepage Friday for an updated article with the following:

  • Thoughts from the CV staff.
  • A Viner Argument in favor of the poll's winner (can't include scans and must be in the poll thread).
  • If we're lucky, blurbs from industry talent.

Feel free to make future match suggestions in the comments below or via Gregg's Twitter page.

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Posted by darknightspideyfanboy

um does black widow have any ice weapon or is the fight in a location that is really cold if not then she is screwed

Posted by Dstick88

The talons are near unkillable, widow would have more stories to work with but id give it to talon

Posted by Oy_the_Billy_Bumbler

It would definitely help if it was really cold. I'm pretty confident Talon can take the majority, but it should be a good fight.

Posted by MisdirectedFantomex

@darknightspideyfanboy: Nope and nope, it's a random encounter and in a generic downtown city setting. So yeah, I'd like to say that she's screwed but good fight nonetheless.

Posted by k4tzm4n

um does black widow have any ice weapon or is the fight in a location that is really cold if not then she is screwed

  • Knockout, incapacitation or death all count as elimination. Making a tactical retreat counts as a loss, too.
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Posted by VMole

I know comparatively little on both combatants, but I know even less for Talon except that he's undead or something, what has he done?

Posted by micah

@vmole: he was the primary assassin sent to kill Batman, still getting my argument together but I know in Arkham War he almost singlehandidly fought through all of the Arkham villians which included (Victor Zassz, Man-Bat, Sumo and other enhanced villians)

Edited by cobra88king8

I picture this fight going down the exact way Damian and his Talon fight did

Edited by jwalser3

I picture this fight going down the exact way Damian and his Talon fight did

Posted by GraniteSoldier

If she shoots him in the head he may heal but that counts as a knockout. I think she's far from screwed.

Edited by mikep12

From my Knowledge Widow doesn't usually come equipped with blades so it wouldn't be easy for her to repeat what Damian did. I do know that she usually comes equipped with guns which William is easily capable of doglegging or just straight up tanking as they hardly have an effect on him. On the other hand tho Black Widow is very smart and would most likely catch on an opt to use here guns at some point just not off the bat since she is in character.

Widow is an excellent Marksman and would most likely get some shots off and quickly realize her guns have no effect on William. Like I stated before Widow is pretty smart so she'd most likely opt to using her guns to take some more of Williams more vital spots. Widow could replicate what Batwing did by blowing Talons arms off or with her Marksmanship could probably blow Williams legs off or she could do both leaving Talon immobilized and at this point she could do whatever she wants with Cobb.

As for Cobb he doesn't really have morals and would try to kill widow off the bat. I'd imagine Cobb taking out the lights and easily sneaking behind widow and easily take her down with three swipes or less of his daggers. Also I'd like to mention that while Widow could replicate what Batwing did his fire arms were at a much higher caliber and I don't think her bullets would pierce his armor.

I see Cobb winning this as I think he would use the environment better to his advantage, the fact he will opt to killing right off the bat, Cobb could easily avoided Widows bullets and keep on her so she can't get the ability to snipe him tho I doubt she will be able to even keep up with him anyway and the fact that Widow has no real way of putting Cobb down as her bullets wouldn't pierce his armor and Widow's h2h wouldn't help much ether as I'd think they fight on equal grounds but Talons attacks would do more damage as Widow doesn't have his healing factor

Posted by Strongarm

Widow, more history and thus more feats accumulated

Posted by lifeboy

I kinda wanna say that Striks should be fighting blackWidow.

Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse

Talon.

Posted by Wardemon32

Talon definitely wins.

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Posted by LordoftheNorth

@granitesoldier: Why would that count Batman dropped him like 50 stories off of Wayne Tower crushing a car and the moment Batman turned to look at him he was already gone Talon's healing is basicaly instantaneous so unless Widow has a Katana hidden up her ass Talons going to tank all her shots get in close and cut her to pieces

Edited by MuyJingo

Black Widows character backstory has her undergoing the Russian equivalent of the same treatment as Captain America, and having similar abilities.

Since CA would beat a talon, I would assume BW would for the same reasons.

Posted by MrTummyTumms

I'm going to have to go with Talon. He's a straight up boss in the comics.

Posted by SoA

not voting but i'll say the talon but black widow will win the votes

Posted by k4tzm4n

@soa said:

not voting but i'll say the talon but black widow will win the votes

Well, if you'd vote you would see the polar opposite is true right now.

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Edited by GraniteSoldier
Posted by LordoftheNorth

@granitesoldier: ya some big writer inconsistance their but we also have to remember that Batman is far stonger and vastly better at h2h than Widow so just becuase Batman can knock Talon out dosnt mean she can

Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

@granitesoldier: ya some big writer inconsistance their but we also have to remember that Batman is far stonger and vastly better at h2h than Widow so just becuase Batman can knock Talon out dosnt mean she can

Ummm...Snyder created Talon and the Court of Owls. How is it writer inconsistency?

Posted by GraniteSoldier

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: @lordofthenorth: My point is that you need to look at everything as an entirety. Batman never put a .45 through Talons head, so to think Talons would get half his head blown off and walk away isn't exactly realistic. Natasha has all the tools, skills, and capable intent to put this guy down. I'm not saying she wins, I'm saying its a good fight.

Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

@granitesoldier: I'm on your side lol. I don't see how Talon being knocked out is inconsistent when Snyder was the one that created him in the first place.

Posted by mikep12

@k4tzm4n why is this and voting separate?

Posted by viin

Talon..im not too sure how Black Widow would keep up with his regeneration.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@mikep12 said:

@k4tzm4n why is this and voting separate?

Because the article itself can't have a poll.

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Posted by GraniteSoldier
Edited by VMole

What's the extent of Talon's regeneration abilities? Is it like Wolverine where he can somehow regenerate from a skin cell or is it limited regeneration like Blade's where if any significant damage is done against a vital part of his body (blow half his head off or something) will kill him but anything less than that he can completely regenerate from barring limbs and such?

I mean Widow still has a good shot in turning Talon's head into a sieve, right?

Posted by mikep12
Edited by k4tzm4n

@mikep12 said:

@k4tzm4n: makes sense

It makes so much that some might even say it makes dollars.

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Edited by mikep12
Edited by LordoftheNorth

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Becuase at the begaining of the arc Talon falls off a 50 story building and walks away but Batman can knock him out with his punches just becuase its the same writer dosnt mean their cant be inconsistances

Edited by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Becuase at the begaining of the arc Talon falls off a 50 story building and walks away but Batman can knock him out with his punches just becuase its the same writer dosnt mean their cant be inconsistances

Because it is the same writer, Snyder obviously had his reasons to why Talon would be able to get knocked out. I'm pretty sure Talon was still knocked out from falling from that great height.

Edited by El_Taza

Cobb has meta-human stamina, strength and agility while Black Widow is at peak level condition which itself isn't enough since Cobb can slap Batman around. Widow weights 60 kilos and Batman is almost double her weight. Not mentioning that unless she's played by Scarlett Johansson her tits breasts are the size of her head each, which is nice but also a lot of dead weight to carry during combat. The fact that Cobb uses melee weapons also works for him. She could perhaps make him drop a sword but he has a whole belt of knives (I don't rly know if that's true) on his chest. Widow has some tear gas in her standard eq but he's fully protected from it.

How I imagine it would (in a short version) they'd fight gadgets vs toys at controlled distance and after a minute she'd get rid of his sword and start hand to hand combat in which after a few defensive moves William would overcome and start the offense. Widow wouldn't be ultimately able to stop the offence (not that she wouldn't try her best using some trick moves). At one point during his series of strikes she would calculate her chances of winning again and choose not to be beaten and stabbed to death ergo make a tactical retreat. William Cobb wins!

Edited by LordoftheNorth

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: never mind i went and took a look at my trade and he does get knocked dont know why i thought he didnt but he isnt out for very long

Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: he wasnt knocked out it clearly shows that the Talon gets away before bruce and even turn around

What? I flipped through the issue and only saw that Talon fell onto the car and was knocked out for an extended period of time. As far as I remember, Cobb only reappears at the end of issue #3.

He also dispatched Alton Carver pretty swiftly by kicking him off the building, where he fell to the sewers and was downed for a bit before resurfacing. I'm not sure if you have scans of Cobb walking off his impact with the car, as I haven't read COURT OF THE OWLS/NIGHT OF THE OWLS in a year or so.

Posted by LordoftheNorth
Posted by El_Taza

I just joined and I want to add that those weekly battles are a cool idea and I already enjoy geeking out in here.

Edited by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: check my comment i corrected myself but he does get up in the issues when he is being taken away

Ah okay. Still, if Cobb was taken out of the game for that long, it's enough to consider it a win in Bruce's favor. Natasha has a chance of winning here.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@el_taza said:

I just joined and I want to add that those weekly battles are a cool idea and I already enjoy geeking out in here.

Welcome to the site and thanks!

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Posted by ravisher

talon is good enough to put up a fight with batman

soooooo

Posted by jackbensley777

William cobb definately he took down nightwing, dick got him lucklily with electricity. Talon beast natasha

Posted by k4tzm4n

@ravisher said:

talon is good enough to put up a fight with batman

soooooo

Not really. When Bruce fought him as Wayne, he commented he had to hold back to not give away his skill -- and he still won. Then, Talon had to ambush and drug Batman to give him hell -- even then he lost. Talon isn't Batman's equal or has what it takes to beat him for a majority with these rules.

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Posted by ChillinVillain

@k4tzm4n said:

@ravisher said:

talon is good enough to put up a fight with batman

soooooo

Not really. When Bruce fought him as Wayne, he commented he had to hold back to not give away his skill -- and he still won. Then, Talon had to ambush and drug Batman to give him hell -- even then he lost. Talon isn't Batman's equal or has what it takes to beat him for a majority with these rules.

True, but let's not act like Black Widow is anywhere near Batman's level in terms of combat.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@k4tzm4n said:

@ravisher said:

talon is good enough to put up a fight with batman

soooooo

Not really. When Bruce fought him as Wayne, he commented he had to hold back to not give away his skill -- and he still won. Then, Talon had to ambush and drug Batman to give him hell -- even then he lost. Talon isn't Batman's equal or has what it takes to beat him for a majority with these rules.

True, but let's not act like Black Widow is anywhere near Batman's level in terms of combat.

No one is. If anyone wishes to support Natasha here, they'll likely cite her agility and gear being able to lead her to victory, not her hand-to-hand abilities.

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