Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Arkillo vs. Hulk

@muyjingo: Well, let's put it this way: What makes you think Arkillo would opt to trap Hulk in a construct and send him off to space? What examples do you have to justify that seeming like a porbable outcome the character would reach? Having read his biggest fights and a lot of his work against jobbers, I simply have never seen anything to justify him using the ring like some of the more tactical and creative characters out there. He uses them for brutal and simple methods, but never have I seen him do anything which would justify (in my mind) Arkillo BFRing Hulk for a majority or creating a construct around his head to suffocate him. Sinestro? I'd agree wholeheartedly, but Arkillo? I simply cannot agree.

this is insulting to the Hulk to be pitted against Arkillo ....Hulk takes this fight ten out of ten times

I don't seem to have read as many stories with Arkillo as you have, so I admit first of all that I am not as familiar with the character as you are.

I am however familiar with the rings, and I find it hard to accept that Arkillo isn't aware of what the rings are capable of, and wouldn't use those capabilities if his physical attacks were not working.

There is an earlier thread from March in the battle forums of Hulk vs Arkillo, and someone posted some scans where he made nets, enclosed someone in a force field etc. So while it may be rare, he does know how to, and has created such constructs.

It may well be out of character for him to use his constructs in the specific way I mentioned, eg sending hulk to space, but I don't think it is out of character for him to use the more advanced capabilities of the ring. If he was getting beaten down by hulk, I don't see it as too unlikely that he would drag hulk with him into space.

You've read his biggest fights...what are the most advanced constructs or uses of his ring so far? Is there really absolutely nothing that would support him BFRing Hulk? Not one supporting example of his using his ring in a relevant way?

Time to do some research.

@theacidskull: Please stop typing in all bold letters. It's hard on the eyes.

@muyjingo:

and I find it hard to accept that Arkillo isn't aware of what the rings are capable of, and wouldn't use those capabilities if his physical attacks were not working.

I think his multiple encounters over a short period of time with Kilowog prove the contrary, honestly.

I'd say his most "advanced" constructs were in the latest NEW GUARDIANS run (the scan in the article is from that book). I think it's possible to speculate he could BFR the Hulk, I just don't view it as a likely outcome for a majority.

Hmmm so I've researched hmmm a little ( I'm still not choosing sides yet) but it seems as though he has enough superhuman strength and stamina to fight mongul for a very long time. He also fights dirty. Biting people, clawing people. He's as just as powerful as his counterpart, kilowog and that could mean he could probably create mini black holes. Not saying that'll work with hulk but its an option.

i guess absolutely NO ONE has read Arkillo stats before just blurting out that he's "Just some lantern." The man can hold his own with Mongul WITHOUT the ring. I wish people do research before answering, but it looks like this battle segment is becoming more of a popularity contest.

@theacidskull: nice man! Great of you to point out the speed ups as of late.

@theacidskull: Nicely done. Very thought out and I completely agree that the Hulk would dominate. No contest.

I'm very interested to see the results of this poll, logic should dictate who the victor would be, but it failed to do so last time so it's anybody's fight as far as I can predict. Truly this is a wonderfully fun and engaging segment here, and I for one hope it sticks around. Many kudos to you k4tzm4n for dreaming this piece up- my hat is sincerely doff'd to you for this wicked bit of fan-interaction-tasticness.

keep em comin!

@theacidskull:

We really need to clear up some of your 'facts'.

The Hulk did not lift a 15 billion ton mountain if you are referring to the Secret Wars feat.

In Banner's own words, 'I'm just bracing it....I've got leverage'. The image shows Banner preventing a small cavern like structure from collapsing inwards. Yes there is a lot of mountain above them but it would be more likely to be a fraction of the mountain. At the time of this event and as the text reveals, Banner's mind is becoming more 'Hulk like', with him being easier to anger. And Reed needed to keep him angry and become even angrier otherwise they were all dead.

Your image for the Hulk holding the world together appears to show him moving tectonic plates back so they don't rub. Despite Sakaar's diameter being bigger, we dont know the size of the tectonic plates the Hulk moved. Not every tectonic plate is equal. For instance on Earth, we have tectonic plates with surface areas that vary from 8100 square km to over 100,000,000 square km. Moving the plates is impressive but falls far short of a 'planetary destruction feat'. I don't think his strength was any different between his 'world breaker' phase and his WWH phase to be truthful based on the feats shown.

Hyperion was actually more powerful than normal on the planet they fought on thanks to a higher level of solar rays coming penetrating the planets atmosphere. This also needs to be taken in to account otherwise we misrepresent the baseline of the 2 combatants.

The text of the one image does state Hyperion did hold the 2 worlds (Earth's) apart until they broke, and then says 'the cascading energies collapsing 2 entire universes'.

I wont downplay holding the planets apart but they likely reason the planets broke up was due to gravitation effects - not that they impacted with him or exploded with him in the middle as he apparently did hold them apart. I didn't see Hyperion in the midst of a gigantic explosion but floating in nothingness after the action was done. The images are what we have to go on and they don't reveal all that we would like.

Hyperion has been hurt by Thor, Gladiator, the villainous Hyperion and Redstone in the past and at least one of those is not a top tier powerhouse (Redstone).

Did you notice in your first thunderclap image that Blastarr was unmoved while the lesser and weaker beings were blown over. Blastarr is uniformly rated at the Marvel 50 tonne mark (and has been shown on several occasions to be inferior in strength to the Thing). Compare this to Arkillo who has gone toe to toe with Mongul, who in turn is far stronger than Blastarr. Then the ring augments his damage resistance with shields that can prevent the shockwave reaching Arkillo's ears.

Your second thunderclap image with Hyperion also needs clarification. Firstly Hyperion has enhanced hearing (being a superman analogy) so his hearing is more sensitive to this mode of attack.

As for the Hulk's healing factor and durability, he can still be cut and pierced by sufficiently strong materials. One of the reasons wolverine struggles to finish the Hulk off is that he can't cut all the way through the Hulk with his limited claw length and strength. Now imagine that you can control a dicer with blades 10 feet long by a few atoms thick but incredibly strong and backed by strength 10,000,000 times greater than Wolverines. The hulk would be rendered in to cubes in 1 pass of the dicer. Then scatter them. Even if he survived, he losses by a technical KO while he pulls himself together.

HULK GOT THIS !

The hulk would destroy Arkillo. His brute force completely out weighs the power ring. Remember in 'The Incredible Hulks, The Heart of the Monster' how Hulk destroyed the dark dimension. The Hulk has limitless power and should win the fight with Arkillo

Hulk Smash!

Evidence?

@k4tzm4n: Hello kind sir. Sorry if this is out of place. And I know you have ultimate say in whos in what battle. Overall I really like the battle choices you have made. Great fights and characters. One thing though is that all of the characters have been male. Now I know its only been the third one, so there are plenty of time for female combatants to join in. But you can also look at it as out of 6 combatants all have been male. And i guess that reflects the representation in comic books with mostly male characters. Anyways I really love these weekly comicvine battles and I'm not asking you to change at all just a suggestion. Keep being awesome and sorry if I was out of line at all.

@shadowx: You're not out of line at all! I assure you I have plenty of female combatants I'd love to use in this segment... it's just a matter of matching characters properly and that's proving quite challenging so far!

I was thinking about that. His big physical fights have been against other ring bearers....yes? I'm guessing being a lantern of any color grants some immunity from a lot of the offensive capabilities of the ring.

Has he had a tough physical fight against a non lantern?

He fought Mongul, one-on-one. For the most part, they did not use their rings. It was mostly a physical fight.

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@k4tzm4n: thank you. Im sure you do. I look forward to all your battles, male and females. I'm sure it is a lot of hard work, but they have been really fun and I thank you for that

I know, that is kind of my point. I'm wondering if Mongul had not had a ring, if Arkillo would have used it to get the upper hand.

Hulk all the way. Not even close. The Hulk overpowered and shattered Onslaught's armor, whose power and armor were equal to those of a Celestial. I can't think of anyone Arkillo has taken down who is near that power level.

I think people are forgetting that Arkillo isn't going to use brute force. After seeing the Hulks strength he's going to use the Hulks fear against him.

remember that time in new guardians where this angel guy who had amazing strength wore down the combined mights of kyle rayner, saint walker, munk, bleeze and arkillo? yeah im gonna say Hulk

what about another true powerhouse in the name of Grand Reggent Thragg from invincible. I think he could succesfully take on the hulk.

arkillo is badss but imma go with hulk on this one

... I guess they could argue that. But they'd be pathetically mistaken.

Btw, BFR'ing people isn't a standard move in comics, because it would be boring. Even beings that are billions of years old wont just do that. Like the GLC and the Guardians didn't just do that when Doomsday was wandering around Oa (technically one Guardian did, but it was a side effect of a suicide blast).

What fear would that be?

I don't think that when Hulk is angry he doesn't fear no one he will just get more angry ( stronger ) and smash your face to the ground

Hulk has got to win this surely... Arkillo is powerful but my money is on Hulk, simple. Would love to see him face off with Kilowag!!

It depends on which Hulk Arkillo is fighting. If it's savage Hulk then yeah Hulk probably win but if it's Banner/WWH the Arkillo could use his fear of never being normal again, his fear of hurting his loved ones, never being left alone, never being in total control etc.

Sincerely,

There is a fundamental flaw in that line of logic; Arkillo knows nothing about Hulk, he doesn't even know Banner exists all he sees is a very large, green and very angry humanoid thats got the mad on for him.

And despite the many things the rings can do, giving them psionic powers are not one of them in this modern age. Finally, to actually exploit that fear, it would mean Arkillo started waging psychological warfare, which isn't his style.

Awwww I wanted it to be Pitt not Akrillo T.T

the last time i even remember him saying that was in wwh where he said he was harder to cut, he didnt say he couldn't cut him , just that it was harder...im sure x23 slashed his eyeballs out too.

If I had the ring I would just pick up hulk and throw him out of orbit, the end he wouldnt be able to jump back to earth until he came across something to change his momentum but by then id be long gone. If this is about a beat down, fisticuff match I think hulk would win though. Superman and wonder woman, broke GLs constructs no problem, I dont see why hulk couldnt

Hulk unless someone convincing Arkillo scans

I also would rather see Atrocious vs Hulk

I think Atrocious makes for a better choice. I can see him getting a win over hulk

They had a time where this was suggested that but they retconned it into Hulk just healing so fast that he appeared to never been cut. Aside from that the only time Logan ever made mention of Hulk getting harder to cut was in WWH and even then the very next panel his claws were still slicing and stabbing into Hulk fine. Aside from this, if you've actually read most of their fights like you're suggesting you have, Logan has always been able to hurt the Hulk. Whether permanently or not is irrelevant, but saying he never has is completely untrue.

Hulk smash silly yellow ring alien.

Not to derail the entire thread....but is Pitt really that powerful? I have an old #2 of the character's original series, and I always wanted to know more about him.

@veshark: He has crazy level regen. At one point he took on a genetic modified Creed that had been designed specifically to kill him..............after having been impaled, dipped in acid, nanites introduced into his system attacking him from the inside out and nuked! Didn't even seem fazed.

He's gone toe on toe with Supreme (Superman clone with roughly the same stats) and the Darkness (Jackie Estacado) and done pretty well. Pitt is one scary SOB.

I would give it to Arkillo, if he could come up with something the Hulk feared...

This is becoming my profile picture lmfao! xD

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