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Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Aquaman vs. Thing

The Ever-Lovin' Blue-Eyed Thing dukes it out with the King of the Seven Seas! Who will be left standing? Well, that's determined by YOUR vote!

Welcome back! This week, we have a Justice Leaguer taking on a member of the Fantastic Four. Both are powerhouses who have what it takes to hang with the true heavy hitters of their respective universes, but neither should logically take a majority over the top tier characters. That said, that's no reason to discredit either because both are incredibly brutal, effective and durable fighters. So, do you think New 52 Aquaman has what it takes to defeat Thing... or will he eventually get clobbered?

Comic Vine Battle of the Week Rules

  • Combatants are in character (again, this is New 52 Aquaman).
  • This is a random encounter.
  • They're fighting in our version of Manhattan (this way there's no Baxter Building for a potential advantage but both do indeed recognize where they are). It's unpopulated and at night. Assume they start roughly 20 feet apart and visible in Times Square. TS is littered with parked cars and other standard items. This means the Hudson is about 5 avenues over and the East River is a bit farther away.
  • Thing is unarmed and Arthur has his trident.
  • Incapacitation, knockout or death all count as elimination.

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Voting will remain open until this Friday morning (ET) and a new article will go on the homepage shortly after. Please keep in mind voting remains open for 5 days so you can research the characters and read the debates presented for both sides. I know it's easy to immediately vote for the character you like more, but please try to have adequate information on both sides before casting your vote!

Friday's update will include one Viner's argument for the winning character (only posts in the poll thread will be considered and it can't be a scan fest!), the staff's thoughts and if we're extra lucky, thoughts from writers, artists and others in the industry! Viners, it's understandable that debates over "who would win?" can get heated, but please try to keep the conversations informative and not personal. Now, go on and prove why you think Arthur or Ben wins!

Feel free to make future match suggestions in the comments below or via Gregg's Twitter page.

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Posted by comic_book_fan

@laabitres:

that didn't count unless you think wolverine can beat lobo.

Posted by comic_book_fan

@matchesmalone21:

the have very similar powers they are both super strong fast and talk to fish namor can fly where aquaman has a better weapon that's the main different.

Edited by laflux

Aquaman's going to win by a landslide and the announcement thread will be filled with people whining about the DC conspiracy that runs right to the roots of this site. Yessiree, you can take that to the bank.

But there is a DC conspiracy. And quite frankly I find it to an injustice.......................

NB- For anyone who doesn't get that reference, your a dunce >:DD

Posted by DWrathborne

Well, the Thing won't remain unarmed for long, as one of his favorite tactics is smacking people with lamp posts. ;)

But, while Ben puts up a valiant fight, in the end I'll give it to Aquaman. The longer the battle lasts, the more of an edge the Thing has, but all Arthur has to do is tear open a fire hydrant and he's got an instant refresh. The Thing has no such advantage, but he's tough and strong willed enough to go the full 10 rounds before the final KO.

Aquaman wins after a long brawl, but Thing definitely earns a measure of respect from him by the end of it.

Edited by Verotikryptonite

Marvel characters lose to any DC character by default on comicvine. Never in the history of comics has there been a character to challenge Aqua-Man for lamest of all time. A useless character who's who's sole ability was to control trout has now been retconned in the DC tried and true method of overpowering to the point of nausea. His name alone is reason enough for him to never be taken seriously. I'm waiting for the Matter Eater Lad retcon. He will have the ability to eat entire galaxies with one gulp. That will teach Marvel for creating an infinity better product. Does Aqua-Man move at FTL speeds yet? If not the annual crisis regurgitation will see to it that he does. It's funny as hell

Posted by WaveMotionCannon

@comicfan11: you just said it yourself he's standing under the ship examining it. It's not low balling when there's nothing to suggest he lifted a ship that was already scuttled. He says "I've searched everywhere" then tells the guy all the passengers are accounted for which clearly means he searched the ship AFTER it was already wrecked. He's standing on the rocks which are on the shore and the ship on it side in the water which meant it was already on its side when Arthur was searching the ship and the water. The aqua fanboys jumped on it and ran with it. You never see him lifting the ship and it was never implied that he did, you jokers just looked at the picture and assumed. The Sub feat shows him actually doing what you wanted him to do but didn't with the cruise liner.

Posted by Dratini1331

Marvel characters lose to any DC character by default on comicvine. Never in the history of comics has there been a character to challenge Aqua-Man for lamest of all time. A useless character who's who's sole ability was to control trout has now been retconned in the DC tried and true method of overpowering to the point of nausea. His name alone is reason enough for him to never be taken seriously. I'm waiting for the Matter Eater Lad retcon. He will have the ability to eat entire galaxies with one gulp. That will teach Marvel for creating an infinity better product. Does Aqua-Man move at FTL speeds yet? If not the annual crisis regurgitation will see to it that he does. It's funny as hell

Aquaman has always been capable of a lot, and to say otherwise is stupid. As a matter of fact, he's weaker here than he was when he had his water hand. Back off, Aquaman is an excellent hero, if not the single greatest hero of all time.

Posted by frogdog

@comicfan11: you just said it yourself he's standing under the ship examining it. It's not low balling when there's nothing to suggest he lifted a ship that was already scuttled. He says "I've searched everywhere" then tells the guy all the passengers are accounted for which clearly means he searched the ship AFTER it was already wrecked. He's standing on the rocks which are on the shore and the ship on it side in the water which meant it was already on its side when Arthur was searching the ship and the water. The aqua fanboys jumped on it and ran with it. You never see him lifting the ship and it was never implied that he did, you jokers just looked at the picture and assumed. The Sub feat shows him actually doing what you wanted him to do but didn't with the cruise liner.

If you already seen aquaman holding a sub, then why are playing Semitics with the cruse ship feat?

Marvel characters lose to any DC character by default on comicvine. Never in the history of comics has there been a character to challenge Aqua-Man for lamest of all time. A useless character who's who's sole ability was to control trout has now been retconned in the DC tried and true method of overpowering to the point of nausea. His name alone is reason enough for him to never be taken seriously. I'm waiting for the Matter Eater Lad retcon. He will have the ability to eat entire galaxies with one gulp. That will teach Marvel for creating an infinity better product. Does Aqua-Man move at FTL speeds yet? If not the annual crisis regurgitation will see to it that he does. It's funny as hell

Explain Moonknight vs red hood. Then again biased Marvel fanboys love to play victim when they can't bring a decent reasons.

Posted by matchesmalone21

@comic_book_fan: why are you answering me? and I said nothing other than that, I know enough about them and I just wanted to differentiate their personalities and fighting abilities

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Posted by WaveMotionCannon

@frogdog: moon Knight is underrated and could possibly beat Red Hood but why after being trained by Batman and The All Caste is Jason still considered way below Dick and Bruce?

Edited by comicfan11

@wavemotioncannon: He is lifting the ship clearly. In the first panel you see the propeller above Aquaman's head and on the second you see the back of the ship adjacent to the rocks, after Aquaman lets it down.

Stop hating and lowballing, the pic is pretty clear.

Unless again you think Johns told Lee to paint a near full page spread with Aquman looking at a ship.

Posted by krazyman27
Posted by Dratini1331

@frogdog: Semantics is speech. Semitics are the Jews and other peoples of similar descent.

Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

If Aquaman has that awesome seahorse he definitely wins! Seriously though as lame as Aquajerk is I'm leaning towards him to pull out a victory. Plus he talks to fish! ;)

Posted by frogdog

@frogdog: Semantics is speech. Semitics are the Jews and other peoples of similar descent.

My bad, didn't know I spelt the word wrong.

Posted by laflux

@verotikryptonite: Marvel characters won last week...

Nightwing also lost to Daredevil and Akrillo also lost to Hulk. So the DC bias thing is really BS.

Posted by MonsterStomp

@laflux: Yep. DC has had only one win which was Deathstroke vs Ult Captain America. Glad to finally see a landslide in favour of DC >:P

Posted by micahparadise

Aquaman wins. It would be a great long fight but i think a great advantage here is that the fight is at night. Aquaman's enhance senses and eyesight will give him the edge in this battle.

Posted by tobyxtremegamer

Aquaman.

Posted by Sylvain

Aquaman

Edited by RedheadedAtrocitus

I think I will go with Aquaman on this for the strength factor.

Posted by venomoushatred1001
Posted by Miss_Garrick

What kind of battle is this? I love Aquaman, but of course Thing will win, he's in a different strength level. This is too obviously one-sided.

Edited by k4tzm4n

What kind of battle is this? I love Aquaman, but of course Thing will win, he's in a different strength level. This is too obviously one-sided.

The debate and poll results say otherwise. If you really think it's unfair, go ahead and prove it ;)

Posted by jashro44

Aquamans trident gives him a big advantage IMO (I realize it isn't as powerful as it was pre 52 but still). If his trident can puncture darkseid then it can puncture the thing IMO (even if darkseid didn't show signs of pain he does seem to be bleeding). It also has a lot of reach as well, and I think aquaman is faster and more agile. I think strength and blunt force durability are pretty even, and I do think Grimm is more skilled but I still have to go with aquaman.

Posted by HushoftheWind

Aquaman has telepathy(not only for talking to the aquatic life but for screwing people minds up look it up).

His Trident, which supports some hefty magical properties

His Speed on land is ridiculous, probably can dodge any punch Thing throws at him(Look up Throne of Atlantis when he closed the gap on Wonder Woman and sucker punched Superman.)

His Durability is nothing laugh at neither as he traded blows with Wonder Woman.

The Man is King and Commander, need i say more?

Honestly this fight seems much more like a mismatch. Now if we were talking about 70's Aquaman who people seem to cling on to so badly, then yes Thing would talk this.

Posted by Dbogan67theman

The Thing. Don't get me wrong. I love Aquaman...but Aquaman is like Namor. And the Thing has gone up against some of Marvel's powerful heavy hitters like the Hulk, Thor, She-Hulk and others and can handle the beating as well as giving it out. Second, Aquaman haven't fought someone in that class for a good long time than Superman. The Thing has. Third, The Thing is street fighter...he's dirty as it can get than most street fighters. Plus he has military training as well in judo and boxing. Question is...can Aquaman handle someone who has gone toe to toe with the Hulk and still be alive to speak with having his jaw wired shut? No doubt...The Thing. And if anyone really want to question that...think of how The Thing might be absorbing cosmic ray when he's fully pissed off? It's never be engaged as theory as the Hulk...but what if the Thing can do what the Hulks can do...absorbing cosmic energy? And I will throw this out...Hulk is much stronger than Superman. lol.

Posted by Ostyo

Arthur is just too much for Ben to handle, and if Pokemon taught us anything, it's that water always beats rock.

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Posted by Teerack

I'm going with Thing because he was able to beat Namor underwater before.

Posted by patrat18

@verotikryptonite: i could name 5 marvel fanboys on here who go on every post and vote marvel characters, no matter what so stop crying and get over yourself

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Can I see Aquaman's fight with Wonder Woman? Just for personal interest.

Posted by comicfan11

@monsterstomp: http://www.comicvine.com/aquaman/4005-2357/forums/new-52-aquaman-respect-thread-670936/?page=4

They are on this page. After WW's punch he saves Batman from Ocean master by rushing at him and stopping him from blasting him, but I don't think that page is here.

Posted by fsatchel

AQUAMAN!

Posted by Guardiandevil83

@lone_wolf_and_cub: Actually Aquaman does not talk to fish. In the new 52 it was explained that fish are to primitive to actually hold a conversation, and their brains are also too small to even learn speech. What he does is telepathicly push the animals he reaches out to, to do what he wants them too. Basically he gives them a suggestion like "Eat That" and so they do.

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Edited by mrtrevorguy

Why is everything a toss up between marvel and DC? Why can't people enjoy the comics regardless of who is it?

I admit Im more into marvel then DC but I do have to give aquaman the edge here

Edited by Batmanikk

I thought this was obvious to be fair. Water (in time) dissolves rock :P

Edited by Battle_Forum_Junkie

Okay, I'll be honest: Aquaman's one of my favorite characters, but I'll try to stay unbiased.

Let's look at Strength. Here's a feat for Arthur:

Granted this is nearby water, but it just solidifies the point that if Arthur get's Ben to the river it's over.

Now I think we all can agree that Thing has the upper hand strength-wise, I mean this guy has taken on the Hulk. But I'd like to address something here; Aquaman isn't mindless like the Hulk. He's also a whole lot faster. He will evade his hits and drag this out as long as he can to tire Ben out. Here's an endurance feat for Arthur:

But, eventually He will be hit. Which brings us to another "thing" : Durability.

Aquaman's armor has been shown to be pretty durable as evidence of this scan.

As you can see AK47 bullets bounce right off his armor, but we all know Ben loves his face punches, so this probably won't come into play, but here's a few scans for Arthur's personal durability:

Him taking bullets straight to his bare chest with only minimal bleeding.
Another of him having rubble collapse on him.

This is hardly Thing's level of durability, but this shows that he will be able to take a few hits and still keep going.

To summarize for those like me who don't like reading that much here's how I see it playing out;

Ben will start out strong and get some good punches in. Arthur will soon realize that he'll need to change his strategy and switch to evasion and tire Ben out. He'll then start leading him to water where he'll finish him off.

Final thoughts;

Allot of people brought up the fight between him and Namor where after a long good fight Ben took him down.

Here's something I'd like to clear up. Namor is no where near the power house he used to be the one that was able to take down Hulk, and then later the original Avengers. In recent years he has been severely de-powered. Where as Aquaman has gotten a power boost.

Anyways, I hope that I kept it unbiased and helped some people that may not have been able to decide one way or another.

This is Battle_Forum_Junkie signing off until next "Battle of the Week"!

Edited by micahparadise

I just need a marvel writer to explain HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE that the thing beat Namor underwater?????? The entire AVX storyline i felt was horribly written. In my mind, i dont even include this storyline as canon!!! Thing defeating Namor by pinning hiM with bone tusks IN THE SEA???????? Come on!!! I like the Thing but this is IMPOSSIBLE!! Even if THing had a power boost that was never announce, for him to fight Namor in the water like he did and win, to pin him down with bone tusks when Namor is at full strength????!!! Anyway, i said all that to say, i dont think the AVX Thing vs Namor battle can be used as a reference in this battle. Its bad writing !!! Again i say, Aquaman after a long battle.

Edited by micahparadise

Namor vs ironman out of water: Namor wins. Thing cannot deafeat Iron Manr.

forces Dr. Strange's astral form from his mind by sheer force of will and then breaks the UNBREAKABLE Crimson bands of Cytorrak. Thing has not shown to do this.

On the Aquaman vs Namor threads, Aquaman wins by the majority. Thing cannot defeat Namor in Water and Aquaman by fan votes in the comicvine threads beats Namor. Aquaman wins

Posted by willyLEE

Somehow the fight would eventually get to some sort of water....Aquaman wins. Maybe a shark comes through the sewers, or a school of tuna from the back of a truck, or an octopus from a dentist's tank, and eventually pushes the Thing into the water. I'm a big Marvel fan and even I can see that the Thing in the water against Aquaman wouldn't be good for him. Now suppose they were in a desert, different story.

Posted by God_Spawn

@battle_forum_junkie: Namor hasn't been depowered at all. It's just everyone has grown stronger and still the AvX with Namor getting pinned under the see is ridiculous and makes zero sense.

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Posted by laflux

@micahparadise: In fairness the scan with Namor and Iron Man comes from Marvel Adventures, which isn't actually cannon.

Posted by Pokergeist

This battle is so one sided in votes and arguments.

Thing never stood a chance.

Edited by turoksonofstone

Marvel has never rebooted Thing he is a experienced Professional Superhero and Adventurer and would recognize Aquaman as a Sea King just by the Trident alone. Thus Thing would no doubt call Aquaman a cheap knockoff of Prince Namor and keep Aquaman and the Battle away from the water. Grey Hulk almost drowned a super-powerful Spiky Thing and I am sure Ben would know that avoiding water would be best here. Aquaman has a great agility advantage here but little else unless he can get Thing in the water. Thing will just hit him with a Bus or Something Thing Wins anything less would be a revoltin' Development.

Edited by comicfan11

Marvel has never rebooted Thing he is a experienced Professional Superhero and Adventurer and would recognize Aquaman as a Sea King just by the Trident alone. Thus Thing would no doubt call Aquaman a cheap knockoff of Prince Namor and keep Aquaman and the Battle away from the water. Grey Hulk almost drowned a super-powerful Spiky Thing and I am sure Ben would know that avoiding water would be best here. Aquaman has a great agility advantage here but little else unless he can get Thing in the water. Thing will just hit him with a Bus or Something Thing Wins anything less would be a revoltin' Development.

1) That's speculation on your part (not that it would make any difference or actually help Ben).

2) Aquaman does not need water to function and beat the Thing, which makes your point moot. He can also easily carry or punch the Thing and take the fight to the water (although he doesn't need water to beat the much slower and weaker Thing)

3) You are shooting your argument on the leg here since a) Grey Hulk is one of the weakest incarnations of the Hulk ever, b) Spiky Thing is more powerful than normal Thing (which is the case here), c) Thing was loosing that fight and proved he can drown. d) AQ can just wreck Thing physically with the Trident, which would hurt more than Grey Hulk.

4) Saying AQ can only win by taking Ben in the water is completely contradictory to facts and completely wrong, making your point wrong from the get go.

5) Again this is simply flat out wrong and shows great lack of knowledge for the character, since a bus would do exactly nothing to Aquaman, making your point wrong from the get go again.

Posted by micahparadise

Apologies @laflux. Here is a more canon link with Iron man being easily defeated by Namor (although this was when the battle was taken into sea ) http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/goetz420/tnai-01-019.jpg

Thats a feat i dont think Thing is capable of doing. and @battle_forum_junkie I am still enraged at that storyline!!!!!

Dont get me wrong i love the thing but i think Aquaman and Namor will eventually win in a good battle

Posted by The_Titan_Lord

Thing.

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