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Comic Book Rants & Raves This Week: 11/30/12

This week we discuss Wolverine's treatment in ALL-NEW X-MEN, Marvel NOW!'s progress, if there's any hope for RED LANTERNS, and why we're suckers for IDW's TMNT. And because you asked so nicely, there's not one, but TWO bonus rants!

Oh, hello there. Thanks for checking out this week's edition of Rants & Raves. The concept is simple: we all love and loathe certain things while reading through our stack of new comics and I'll pick 4 things to spotlight. 2 that made me happy to be a comics fan and 2 that made me not so pleased with the industry.

If you're nice, I'll even add a bonus rant or rave from time to time. This week there's two because I'm feeling extra generous. Once you're done reading (you are reading this and not just glancing at the pictures/titles, right?), be sure to chime in with your thoughts on my selections and even your own rants and raves!

BEWARE: THAR BE SPOILERS HERE!

Rant: Downplaying Wolverine

Use your words, Logan.

Let me kick this off by saying I loved ALL-NEW X-MEN #2 and thought the way writer Brian Michael Bendis handled Wolverine's interaction with the team was hysterical. That said, as a fan of the character, I also thought it was doing the runt a total disservice.

It's no secret James despises Cyclops after the events of AVENGERS VS X-MEN. On some level, I absolutely understand why Logan would lash out if he thought Scott had the brass to stroll into the X-Men's property. But is this really how Mr. Howlett would respond? Out in public eye, he'd drool and scream as he lunged at Cyclops claws first? Now, I'm not disregarding or oblivious to the numerous times Wolverine has given into his rage. It's something that happens quite frequently, but to think he's regularly sporting such a mindset is a misconception.

He might not always look like it, but Wolverine's incredibly wise and has been through countless trials that tested his patience over the decades. Wolverine was able to act calm and collected when he immediately picked up Scott's scent, so I'd like to believe that he'd logically act in a more mentally stable manner when confronting the former X-leader. He'd want his blood, but screaming like a madman with no cover available doesn't seem like the best way to take down a dude with highly accurate and powerful optic blasts.

Then there's the Jean Grey incident. Over the years, the clawed X-Man has shown a great deal of resistance to telepathy (courtesy of Charles Xavier), yet here the young Grey had no issue whatsoever making Wolverine count sheep. To top it off, she literally just discovered she could read minds and then somehow was able to completely shutdown a man with a powerful defense against telepaths. Could it be that Xavier's death means Logan's TP resistance is now down? G-Man and I had a good chat about this and we don't believe so. Otherwise, that would imply Xavier has idly been holding those defensive measures in place every second of every day over the years. Is this something he could do? Considering his massive amount of power, I suppose it's possible but doesn't seem very rational to me. So, teenage Grey easily making Wolverine pass out is something that made me scratch my head... especially since Bendis had Logan say "you know that doesn't work on me."

How do you feel about Wolverine's treatment in the issue?

Rave: Marvel NOW! continues to impress

I know! I'm surprised, too!

Man, I'm such a sheep. Marvel throws a bunch of new number ones on the shelves and I can't help myself. Despite my limited budget, every week I'm making room to give each one of these new titles an honest shot. Thankfully, so far they've been mostly baller . Yes, "baller." I think I've only used that word a handful of times in my life, so that should help emphasize how I feel about the move.

If they haven't already done so, Marvel should definitely give Matt Fraction a raise. Not only did he blow me away with FANTASTIC FOUR #1 and continues to impress with HAWKEYE, but he's also done a solid job with FF #1. If you didn't laugh at least once or close the issue with a strong interest in where things are about to go, then there's Jason Aaron on THOR: GOD OF THUNDER and Brian Michael Bendis on ALL-NEW X-MEN. Both of the Marvel A-listers managed to string me along with their second issues. My checking account might not be pleased with Marvel NOW!, but I certainly am. I only hope these titles remain consistently strong as we dive deeper into each series.

Viners, how do you feel about Marvel NOW! so far?

Rant: RED LANTERNS feels stagnant

Wish I could say the same, Bleez.

I really want to like RED LANTERNS. Seriously, I mean that. I think Atrocitus and his crew have the potential to be one of the most interesting corps in the cosmos. Writer Geoff Johns made me fall in love with their leader and I was thrilled to see they earned an on-going in The New 52. Because of this, I've been buying issue after issue despite it being so mediocre. I keep hoping the next issue will improve, but it seems like a foolish desire at this point because sadly, the series has been -- to be blunt -- boring.

Somehow, an issue consisting of Miguel Sepulveda's brilliant sketches of the Red Lanterns blasting apart The Third Army doesn't redeem the book. Yes, it looks fantastic, but these oh-so-sexy pencils can't compensate for a weary story and script. Writer Peter Milligan is capable of much better and 14 issues in, I'd really prefer to see someone else given the opportunity to craft Atrocitus's adventures. I hope the series will one day improve, but my fanboyish nature will only let me hold on for so long.

Are you still holding onto hope for RED LANTERNS like myself or have you already dropped it?

Rave: The future of IDW's TMNT

The modern Tokka and Rahzar?

Shredder wants to recruit Leo? General Krang is constructing the Technodrome? And now Old Hob is going to team-up with Slash? The future looks exciting and filled with an extra filling of awesomeness in IDW's TMNT reboot.

Yes, it wasn't fun seeing artist Dan Duncan leave the title and yes, replacement artist Andy Kuhn does illustrate some wonky facial expressions, but overall he does an able job and I especially appreciated his work on the lengthy battle. If you ever considered yourself a fan of the Turtles, you've gotta give this series an honest chance. All of the characters you know and love are here and it's all playing out in a familiar yet refreshing manner.

Bonus Rant: Cassaday's Captain America close-up

Captain Fish Scales!

If I was the Red Skull, I be so ashamed this dude has defeated me time and time again. I'm usually fond of John Cassaday's work (loved ASTONISHING X-MEN), but this just looks ridiculous to me. The scales are too prominent and way too puffy. It completely underscores Captain America's physicality. Was this panel off-putting for you as well?

Bonus Bonus Rant: Batman's brutality

Never thought I could apply "BOOM! Headshot!" to Batman.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! What?! Bruce Wayne is an absurdly skilled marksman and I get he was in terrible shape here, but this was crazy! It almost seemed like brutality for the sake of brutality. Wayne needed to escape from Scarecrow, but was a huge grappling line (you see that size of that hook, right?) really the best way to end this abruptly? Now, you can say "Batman knows he'll live," but does he really? That devastating shot ripped right through Crane's lower jaw and out his mouth. Then, the poor villain was left hanging there as he pretty much bled out. Not only did this likely shatter/destroy more than a handful of teeth, it could have potentially ripped through his tongue.

To make matters worse, Batman leaves him like that. Again, he's in piss-poor condition and needs to escape, but this felt like sentencing Scarecrow to death. Then, I don't know how, but Scarecrow is able to talk after suffering this attack. Go figure. David Finch's artwork is great and makes this scene (for a lack of better words) a jaw-dropper, but there really wasn't a less dangerous way for the world's greatest detective to escape this one?

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. Be sure to follow him on Twitter to get early spoilers for Best Battles and Rants & Raves!

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Posted by Baberaham_Lincoln

Bonus Rant Rant section hahaha XD

Edited by fables87

This image is the best!

Posted by papad1992

"Jeannie..."

Posted by Cafeterialoca

Oh please, Wolverine is in 5 other books. He's annoying with his overexposure. I say everyone should take as many potshots as they can get and let someone else get the spotlight.

(Seriously, I hate Wolverine because you can't escape him)

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

Kid Omega has also recently been helping Logan strengthening his resistance to TP so I found it weird as well

Posted by NightHaunter

Agreed NOW! is fantastic.

Much as Wolverine has annoyed me recently his treatment in X-men was insulting, especially as their leader.

Posted by CBninja

I'm sure batman was quite pissed after being stabbed in the chest with a sycthe.

Edited by Cavemold

the wolverine scene is proof bendis is cluess on wolverine. the batman scene i actually laughed. the johns panel is horrid poor capt. he delayed for that come on... fire him. my rave is alex ross mask issue. so amazing

Posted by ccraft

Xmen rant, that seem wierd that they would do that...

Posted by ccraft

CV coverage of the TMNT series making me want to pick up the series.. Too bad I only can get the Trades/

Posted by pspin

I think that the single issues of Red Lanterns really aren't all that great but it is one of those series that is better in trade. I totally agree about Marvel Now.

Posted by Yung ANcient One

God I love Comic Vine. :) (+)

Posted by McKlayn

I do think it was weird about the Wolverine thing, but meh the book will awesome, wolverine is a total bad ass in everything else the world will keep spinning and i am good with that. As far as Marvel Now in general goes Yes please give me more i love this shit so far

Posted by Hiddensix

as much as I agree with you with Wolverine having a pathetic role in the second issue of All new X-men , that fight was really funny .

Posted by Dark_Vengeance_

I actully quiet liked that scene of Batman stabing Crane in the face. It showed how pissed off he was.

Posted by Cap10nate

@k4tzm4n: If you are bothered by the way Cap looks in the book, how do you feel about the Red Skulls Walmart Halloween mask? I have a hard time enjoying the book just looking at how ridiculous he looks after how great he looked when Epting drew him.

Posted by Yung ANcient One

I just thought of something... what if Jean was able to put Logan to sleep because he has a soft spot for her. Plus she did say, He really was thinking Hank is my hero for doing this. Meaning he low key wanted to be put to sleep.

????

no?

okay

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Posted by Necrotic_Lycanthrope

I swear that scene with Scarecrow looks like a direct rip-off of the beginning of Land of the Dead.

(it's in here. You just have to watch a butt load of gore first ;P)

Posted by CircularLogic

There needs to be more love for X-men Legacy, really been enjoying that (though in fairness, it's not quite something to rave about).

In any case, Wolverine really shouldn't have been taken down like that. Jean couldn't even use telepathy until long after she had joined with the Phoenix Force over 10 years in the future, so how does this happen? Come on, Bendis. I know you're a funny guy, but restrain yourself sometimes, man.

Edited by iaconpoint

@CBninja said:

I'm sure batman was quite pissed after being stabbed in the chest with a sycthe.

Exactly. You mess with the bull, you get the horns. Crane should know by now not to taunt the Bat.

Posted by BatWatch

I had mixed feelings on the Dark Knight scene. It was brutal and out of character, but it looked really awesome. Considering the issue as a whole was complete crap, let's just ignore the ridiculousness of it all and enjoy the brutality.

Dark Knight Review.

Posted by Reignmaker

@DarkKnightDetective said:

I actully quiet liked that scene of Batman stabing Crane in the face. It showed how pissed off he was.

Yeah, frankly I wouldn't mind seeing Batman be more brutal with these freaks. He's got to be sick and tired of how often they keep getting out of Arkham.

Posted by Reignmaker

I have a hard time respecting Wolverine as a character because of these charge-first, think-second sequences that seem to frequently occur.

Posted by BlackArmor

I greatly enjoyed Bendis's downplaying of Wolverine. If nothing else it was amusing

Posted by Juandicimo_Magnifico45

I gave up on Red Lanterns, I really wanted it to be good too. Luckily Threshold will be good, because more Larfleeze sounds amazing.

Posted by jesusdisciple001

Red lanterns written j micheal strazcynski and drawn by tomas guillero(d guy dat drew earth 2#0)

Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus

Yeah I'm holding onto Red Lanterns too out of staunch devotion to the Corps, but even I have to admit that Milligan's writing is really starting to dry up at points. Where it really got interesting for me was issue 12 when the Five Inversions were reborn. I mean it took nearly a year to get to that point and then its back to Drysville once more with regard to the reading. I don't know, maybe Milligan's just stretching himself too thin with the titles he's writing? :/

Posted by theTimeStreamer

@Cafeterialoca: go fanwank to transonic then

Posted by ComicMan24

That thing with Wolverine was just pure gold lol And yeah sure he was downplayed but at least he has another 999 books where he can show us how brilliant of character he is :P

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Posted by Outside_85

Reading Red Lanterns, enjoying Red Lantern despite it not being what I thought it would be, don't see any reason it should change.

Posted by edwardx1

@iaconpoint: Agreed

Posted by Zeeguy91

I wasn't too impressed with Uncanny Avengers #2. Although, I do love Red Skull, so I think I'll give it to the end of this arc. I'm definitely picking up New Avengers with Hickman at the helm. *Sigh*. I need to do some serious restructuring of my pull list, bro...

I think I'm gonna drop Uncanny Avengers after Red Skull makes his exit, Superman after H'el on Earth finishes, and Suicide Squad.

Edited by save.me.now

I was more surprised by the fact that wolverine attacked scott right in front of his school. Brutally killing someone right in front of his school just doesn't fit wolverine's character, what if one of the kids saw him?. Even before the "Holier than thou" attitude he gained in Schism, he would always at least tell the kids to "look away" when he knew he was going to kill someone.

Posted by Arevish

Damn bendis, such a bad write on Logan

Posted by x10afreedom

You mess with the Bat, you get the grappling hook. LOL

Edited by Timotheus316

I totally agree with Rant Number 1. Bendis is a good writer but he may need to bone up on some Xmen stories and do some damn reading before writing that nonsense. He's a smart guy; crappy writing from him is unacceptable.

And I don't like Capt. America with a helmet. It doesn't look right to me. If they are gonna start doing that s**t at least do it across all the books. Don't they have department editors at Marvel? He needs to be looking at the art as well as the writing and tell those guys, "Hey! Some continuity between books would be great! Re-draw Capt. A without the stupid helmet." End rant.

Posted by Miss_Garrick

Batman's brutality: This has always been one of my biggest reasons why I don't like or read Batman comics!!! I keep seeing page after page of Batman beating the villians down and it ALWAYS looks like he's purposely leaving them to die by internal injuries, and/or just bleeding to death! I just HATE how Bruce is such a hypocrite in that he vows to never use a gun (which is good), but he fires a grappling line THRU A MAN'S MOUTH and leaves him there!?! HYPOCRITE!! I know Batman isn't the only "hero" to do this, but JEEZ!

Downplaying Wolverine: It's such a pain when, depending on the writer, Logan's 40 odd year struggle to control his rage just shuts downs and we're back to square one, and then it's back and he's more intelligent about his actions, and then it's gone and he attacks blindly, and then it's back and he knows better, and...

Posted by ReadItNow

I'm still reading Red lanterns. The art is beautiful, and a few of the charters have drawn me in as we'll. it has a good premise, we just need a good story to sink into. Maybe after all the crossovers?

Posted by Blues32

@Cafeterialoca: That's all fine and dandy, but the way Wolvie is taken down a peg should at least make sense. There is NO way Jean should have been able to make him go to sleep. His mental defenses are too damn high.

Posted by adrianjfm

Wolverine reaction maybe be a little off, but also scott latest behavior is, so i think wolverine is protecting the kids of the school from someone who is being acting dangerously and who knows what he might be doing in your front yard!

when it comes to the kids, first shoot then ask! and that is a normal reaction of wolverine

Posted by Cafeterialoca

@Blues32 said:

@Cafeterialoca: That's all fine and dandy, but the way Wolvie is taken down a peg should at least make sense. There is NO way Jean should have been able to make him go to sleep. His mental defenses are too damn high.

Bendis already admitted that he isn't that far in reading X-Men from the beginning. One of the main reasons this story is happening is because he's still reading through the original team.

Bendis ignores stuff all the time. ALL THE TIME. The fact he still sells kinda shows that people really don't care about the continuity he ignores.

Edited by roboadmiral

I can't believe they had the nerve to make Wolverine slightly less invincible. But seriously, this guy can't be immune to everything, otherwise there's nothing that ever puts him in danger. It's getting a tad ridiculous.

Also, I don't really mind Batman shooting Scarecrow. I always felt that the absolute no-kill rule was a combination of the tradition set up from the Comic Code Authority days and the desire to keep iconic villains around. I think that Batman should be extremely reluctant to kill, but is willing to make exceptions under extreme circumstances. I think it suits the character better.

Posted by StMichalofWilson

Wolverine should have been a badass. Bendis is making him too easy(wow, that sounded uncanny).

Edited by The Black Hood

I don't believe that Wolverine was at all out of character. He spent the first three issues of AvX basically saying "I stab Hope" whenever he had a speaking role and the last half saying "I stab Phoenix X-men" so the idea that he would drool like a pitbull and attack Cyclops seems perfectly cannon for him.

Posted by Tyrannotaur

Wolverine getting owned by Jean Grey is what I was afraid of when I saw Bendis was writing this book. He does this kind of stuff alot right? I mean completely ignore established canon. Hopefully this doesn't happen too often in this title because I really like it so far.

I'm really loving Marvel Now so far. Everything I read has either been really good or great. I'm really liking All-New X-men, Red She-hulk, Uncanny Avengers, Deadpool, FF, and Fantastic Four. Thor was good too. Iron Man I liked, the art I hated though.

I agree with the Cap fish scales thing. Really jarring.

Still need to read Dark Knight. Spoiled it for myself, OH WELL.

Posted by Crimsonlord53

Teenage jean needed the prof to put dampers on her or the TP would have driven her mad so her playing sandman on wolverine works for me. Lowered defence and the hammer blow of a full power jean I could see it happing.

Posted by Scantenii

About the Lil' Jean knocking out Logan thing... While Jean was using her telepathy to read his mind, I thought Jean could knock Logan out by using the telekinetic part of her powers to slow the flow of blood to his brain to knock him out. Haven't they done that before? Maybe I am giving them too much credit. I did like these X-men knocking Logan out though because I kinda think Logan needs to be taken down a couple pegs.

Posted by DocFishstick

love the batman one. it made me lol.

Posted by Nicodemus

Jean was able to knock out Wolverine because Xavier's not around holding her back. I think Xavier was mentally blocking her full potential all those years back. No Xavier means no limit to Young Jean's power.

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