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Comic Book Question of the Week: Treatment of Female Characters

The depiction of women in comics has come a long way. Which publisher is does it best?

The treatment of women in comics has come a long way. If you've read any Silver or Golden Age comics, you'll likely come across some scenes and dialogue that are pretty far out there and pretty wrong. While things have gotten a lot better and we are seeing more and more female readers enjoying mainstream comics, for ever two step forwards, the industry occasionally takes a step back.

This was something that was brought up on Twitter over the weekend (using the hashtag #ComicWomen). There are those that strongly feel some publishers are doing it right or simply doing it better. The question is, which publisher do you think is handling the portrayal of women the best. Try to consider all their characters.

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Edited by Pokeysteve

Every company has their role models and their sluts...

Posted by Husk

@pokeysteve:

yes, but some companies role models have fallen recently.....that said...definitely not DC.... and Dynamite has always been lacking

Posted by charlieboy

Probably Marvel. The ladies from the X-Men have been pioneers in this field for years.

Edited by evilvegeta74

I say Marvel has done it best. They have often showcased their female characters for decades. I like the fact that they did not try to showcase one particular female character over others like DC. Wonder Woman has been around longer but why should she get more promotion than other high potential tier female characters. MU give's you that mix. Take a look at Fearless Defenders, X-Force titles , there not a company out there doing that with that many female characters in one book.

Edited by dondave

Every company has their role models and their sluts...

Posted by thenexusrebound

Image has a lot of strong female lead characters. Marvel does pretty well too.

Posted by Wolverine08

None of this companies represent females well enough for me to say they are the "best".

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Posted by SOG7dc

i love the way wonderwoman is portrayed but do you guys know what this thread needs? a female perspective

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Posted by kriminal

this topic annoys me. comics are made for guys. not saying girls don't enjoy them, but they are made for guys. I honestly like female characters to look sexy and kick ass.

Posted by sasquatch888

marvel by a longshot

Posted by Bierschneeman

dynamite has never been there....DC lost the fight when they took two of their three strongest female solo titles, and ruined them. (Batwoman...you know why) and they took their limelight female role model, and paired her with a stronger male presence... a relationship which has proved extremely disgustingly submissive in the past when applied during elseworlds.

and marvel has always had their female heroes play second banana to their male counterparts, in spades...god did you read matt Fractions defenders...

image, im unfamiliar with, but they did have a rotten history of female treatments in the 90s

sooo....none

Posted by Billy Batson

image, im unfamiliar with, but they did have a rotten history of female treatments in the 90s

How about judging by their current output?

BB

Posted by Husk

@bierschneeman: yes, I have read Matt Fraction's Defenders...and I was thoroughly offended, there are worse examples...but marvel is far from the best....I am wondering which is the worst? DC or Marvel

Edited by Husk

@sog7dc said:

i love the way wonderwoman is portrayed but do you guys know what this thread needs? a female perspective

am I not female enough?

and Wonder Woman was great... until they insulted us with that superman/wonder woman... garbage

Posted by beccatoria

This is going to be a partisan trainwreck of a poll that's basically going to break down along the lines of "who do you like best."

That said, I'm genuinely confused at the way Marvel seems to be so decisively considered ahead of DC when it comes to women in comics (not just in this poll, I mean generally). November solicits list ten comics that DC is currently publishing with female leads/all-female teams (Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Catwoman, Batwoman, Batgirl, Birds of Prey, Worlds' Finest, Pandora, Harley Quinn and Katana) and three published by Marvel (Fearless Defenders, X-Men and Captain Marvel). A lot of those DC titles are also stable, staple parts of their line-up whereas Marvel had a period less than two years ago where they didn't have a single female-led title in their line-up. And it's not like DC don't publish titles with majority female teams or female leaders. The Movement is a currently published example, but in recent history there's also been Demon Knight, the Ravagers, Sword of Sorcery and Voodoo. Sure it sucks that they tanked as quickly as Red She-Hulk or Journey into Mystery with Sif in the lead, but DC does tend to take more risks on titles like this (see also Zatanna, Power Girl and Gotham City Sirens pre-52boot).

I should make clear, I'm not suggesting DC are a bastion of feministic awesome. They really, really aren't. I could list half a dozen things that make me want to punch them in their corporate faces. And I'm certainly able to name a bunch of situations where I think a female team member or supporting character got a better story arc and more respectful attention than a female lead in a comic. There is certainly some mileage in saying, let's look at the actual stories that Marvel vs DC provide for their women?

But even by that measurement, I don't see the enormous gap many others see. Catwoman's an obvious exception, but most of the solo women in DC's current line-up aren't even particularly sexualised by the standards of the industry (which is admittedly a low bar). In a lot of ways, I think that Marvel escape as much attention as DC because they don't have these high profile characters. Their women are more often cast in supporting roles or as co-leads.

The **** that went down with Batwoman near broke my heart. It was a terrible waste and an awful call. I wholeheartedly support criticising it and pointing out the homophobic overtones to the decision, whether they were intended or not. But part of me can't help but feel that using this as an example of Marvel's superiority is ass backwards when Marvel doesn't even have a book like Batwoman to screw up.

Having women who are the unambiguous stars of their own comics matters. And DC reliably runs about three times as many of those as Marvel.

Posted by MadeinBangladesh

No way Marvel and DC. Image has the best lead women.

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Posted by Perfect 10

@evilvegeta74: at least dc has consistantly had female led books as part of their roster of series, but NOT marvel. do not go by what is only out now but look at the facts: supergirl, batgirl, wonder woman, birds of prey at one point all were being printed at the same time, marvel doesnt do this. they do one female led book at a time and there have been years when they had NO female lead books. case in point: she-hulk was going, then canceled and replaced with ms. marvel, then canceled and replaced with x-23 then canceled and replaced with captain marvel. things are getting better NOW in 2013 we have captain marvel, fearless defenders and x-men (which in itself shows their lack of confidence in women to not call it x-women) and next year she-hulk is coming but trust captain marvel will end by the time that happens. you cant put marvel over dc with marvel's one year of "equality" when dc has had years of female lead books such as batwoman, batgirl, supergirl, birds of prey and wonder woman.

p.s. i choose image

Posted by SOG7dc

@husk said:

@sog7dc said:

i love the way wonderwoman is portrayed but do you guys know what this thread needs? a female perspective

am I not female enough?

and Wonder Woman was great... until they insulted us with that superman/wonder woman... garbage

i didnt know lol. and i dont understand the hate for that pairing. why is it "garbage" because i for one love it

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Posted by startingtofall

@pokeysteve: yep like Marvel's slut is The White Queen (uxm). Her costume is simply ridiculous with her chest all hanging out. Where as say with a character like The Wasp, she could maybe be seen currently as more professional or ummm not a ho. I'm sure she will be a ho sooner or later. Hard to keep those hands off Captain Marvel or Havok.

Edited by Husk

@sog7dc said:

@husk said:

@sog7dc said:

i love the way wonderwoman is portrayed but do you guys know what this thread needs? a female perspective

am I not female enough?

and Wonder Woman was great... until they insulted us with that superman/wonder woman... garbage

i didnt know lol. and i dont understand the hate for that pairing. why is it "garbage" because i for one love it

theres a sordid history with Wonder Woman, and its a step in the wrong direction after a good recent track record.

Id like to compare it to when they depowered her way back in the days post WW2... but it isn't nearly as bad.

in Elseworlds the Superman Wonder Woman has been done several times before... and everytime its been a jumping on point for her submitting to his might. It almost writes itself , why does the most powerful female hero have to pair up with a more powerful male counterpart, intended or not its a message of control. he is there to control and passivate her. and in Frank Millers abominations...tame her. you can't remove the tainted past of this relationship. you can't remove the stigma that the most powerful woman in the world, Must fall in love with the one man that can overpower her.

written well or not, its insulting....

And beyond that, Wonder Woman, of all super heroes should remain a complete an utter role model, through and through. she should never falter. there are plenty of male superheroes, who lack weakness... Wonder Woman should be the shining example of the same strength of will.

Posted by TrueMarvel

I'm not sure who does it best, but I damn sure know who does it worst. DC comics. I'm hard pressed to find one prominent DC female that isn't wearing something skimpy or revealing.

New 52 Harley Quinn( WTF happened to her?)

Wonder Woman(why does she basically wear a one-piece bikini?)

Power Girl(Awesome boob window)

Super Girl(one short ass skirt)

Black Canary(One phase: FISHNETS!)

Huntress( I don't even get why she wears as little close as she does...)

Still only one female member on the new 52 justice league team.

Posted by TrueMarvel

@husk said:

@sog7dc said:

@husk said:

@sog7dc said:

i love the way wonderwoman is portrayed but do you guys know what this thread needs? a female perspective

am I not female enough?

and Wonder Woman was great... until they insulted us with that superman/wonder woman... garbage

i didnt know lol. and i dont understand the hate for that pairing. why is it "garbage" because i for one love it

theres a sordid history with Wonder Woman, and its a step in the wrong direction after a good recent track record.

Id like to compare it to when they depowered her way back in the days post WW2... but it isn't nearly as bad.

in Elseworlds the Superman Wonder Woman has been done several times before... and everytime its been a jumping on point for her submitting to his might. It almost writes itself , why does the most powerful female hero have to pair up with a more powerful male counterpart, intended or not its a message of control. he is there to control and passivate her. and in Frank Millers abominations...tame her. you can't remove the tainted past of this relationship. you can't remove the stigma that the most powerful woman in the world, Must fall in love with the one man that can overpower her.

written well or not, its insulting....

And beyond that, Wonder Woman, of all super heroes should remain a complete an utter role model, through and through. she should never falter. there are plenty of male superheroes, who lack weakness... Wonder Woman should be the shining example of the same strength of will.

I always liked Wonder Woman/Batman to be honest. They both are in control, but in different ways.

Posted by evilvegeta74

@evilvegeta74: at least dc has consistantly had female led books as part of their roster of series, but NOT marvel. do not go by what is only out now but look at the facts: supergirl, batgirl, wonder woman, birds of prey at one point all were being printed at the same time, marvel doesnt do this. they do one female led book at a time and there have been years when they had NO female lead books. case in point: she-hulk was going, then canceled and replaced with ms. marvel, then canceled and replaced with x-23 then canceled and replaced with captain marvel. things are getting better NOW in 2013 we have captain marvel, fearless defenders and x-men (which in itself shows their lack of confidence in women to not call it x-women) and next year she-hulk is coming but trust captain marvel will end by the time that happens. you cant put marvel over dc with marvel's one year of "equality" when dc has had years of female lead books such as batwoman, batgirl, supergirl, birds of prey and wonder woman.

p.s. i choose image

You couldn't be more wrong as stated Marvel has been doing it for decades, it's onlyin recent yrs that Dc has started having multiple female titles other than WW and BG and honestly, will BG hold up! Also She Hulk has had multiple titles, so has Ms. Marvel dating back to the 80's and maybe 70's in MM's case now known as Capt Marvel along with Spiderwoman and Red Sonja. Also the majority of popular female characters have had Mini-series can that be said of DC comics female characters. I can name one for every one you mention, you first! Also you are overlooking the history of marvel and look at something recent. Before you step to the plate be ready to come out swinging! I'm ready, let's go!

Posted by Nico7
@kriminal said:

this topic annoys me. comics are made for guys. not saying girls don't enjoy them, but they are made for guys. I honestly like female characters to look sexy and kick ass.

The reason why so many comics are made for heterosexual, white man is that most comic writers are heterosexual, white man. They are writing from their own viewpoint, but that doesn't mean comics are exclusively made for white guys. It's unlikely that a business would ignore a potential target audience and relinquish money just to create a boys club.

You like characters who "look sexy and kick ass". Me too. Everyone likes characters who are attractive and interesting, men and women. The problem is that female characters are most times not as well-written as their male counterparts.

Even if you think comics are made exclusively for guys you should be interested in improving female characters and comics in general.

Edited by The Stegman

I choose Dark Horse. But there's no way Marvel treats their women better than DC

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Posted by beccatoria

@truemarvel: I agree that the redesign of Harley Quinn is terrible. On the other hand, DC is not solely to blame, nor the sole publisher of, women in bathing suits. I'm a big fan of Captain Marvel's new costume, but she's had it for about 16 issues and wore a "bathing suit" for the entirety of her previous 60-issue run, and she's one of the most iconic characters Marvel has. Huntress, whom you accuse of wearing almost nothing (I assume you meant "clothes" not "close"), actually wears a body suit that covers her up entirely. The "belly-window" phase (which I agree was ridiculous), didn't actually last that long in publication terms.

Execution counts for a lot too. Compare the way Wonder Woman is drawn in Justice League vs her own book. In Justice League, yeah, she looks like a woman wearing a bathing suit. In her own title, Chiang draws her like a classical Greek wrestler and the effect is far less sexualised.

Batwoman, Katana, Batgirl and Pandora all wear costumes that reveal very little. Since Batgirl is the DC solo female lead that sells the most at DC and is one of the few superheroines that people who don't read comics have actually heard of (even if they know nothing more than the name) I'd say she qualifies as "prominent".

(Sidenote: it's probably important to note that - as I said above - I don't think DC is a wonderful example of how to ensure good representation for women in comics; I just get really confused and bothered by the apparent common wisdom that they're godawful).

Posted by Cobalion

As a female reader, I find that Dynamite does well with Red Sonja. Marvel is doing the best Fearless Defenders, X-men, Uncanny X-force, over the past decade marvel has of their more of their women characters getting an ongoing (e.g Elektra, mystique, Ms. Marvel etc.) though some didnt last long (true). They've DC has been pushing mainly wonder woman, and she hogs the spotlight the most. I guess their doing a good job, but not as good as Marvel or Image (maybe Darkhorse too).

Posted by Pokeysteve

@pokeysteve: yep like Marvel's slut is The White Queen (uxm). Her costume is simply ridiculous with her chest all hanging out. Where as say with a character like The Wasp, she could maybe be seen currently as more professional or ummm not a ho. I'm sure she will be a ho sooner or later. Hard to keep those hands off Captain Marvel or Havok.

I was thinking of She-Hulk or Emma. I don't read much Marvel that has women in it though. Just Elektra.

I'm not sure who does it best, but I damn sure know who does it worst. DC comics. I'm hard pressed to find one prominent DC female that isn't wearing something skimpy or revealing.

New 52 Harley Quinn( WTF happened to her?)

Wonder Woman(why does she basically wear a one-piece bikini?)

Power Girl(Awesome boob window)

Super Girl(one short ass skirt)

Black Canary(One phase: FISHNETS!)

Huntress( I don't even get why she wears as little close as she does...)

Still only one female member on the new 52 justice league team.

Supergirl, Power Girl and especially Wonder Woman, all have strong personalities and self respect. Quinn, Canary and Hel, not so much. Can't always go by what they wear.

Edited by explodingpineapple

Really a lot of characters need to wear more. Especially women, they are fighting, flying, slamming, stomping in small amounts of clothing. I know logic in comics is not like real life logic (for example Superman) but so many things could go wrong with their showy costumes that only cover half of them. For example Wonder Woman, isn't she supposed to be a role model? But yet she is running around as an action hero in a one piece bikini type thing, showing off probably almost half of what she's got. So yes women in comics have come some way, but there could be more done for the good. And the thing is Wonder Woman has more clothes than probably a good bit of women in comics. Like Starfire, she wears what less than a normal bikini? Power Girl's window, unneeded. So yep. Thanks.

Posted by explodingpineapple

Also if they are a respectable character why don't they dress them like a respectable character? Thanks.

Posted by cameron83

@nico7 said:
@kriminal said:

this topic annoys me. comics are made for guys. not saying girls don't enjoy them, but they are made for guys. I honestly like female characters to look sexy and kick ass.

The reason why so many comics are made for heterosexual, white man is that most comic writers are heterosexual, white man. They are writing from their own viewpoint, but that doesn't mean comics are exclusively made for white guys. It's unlikely that a business would ignore a potential target audience and relinquish money just to create a boys club.

You like characters who "look sexy and kick ass". Me too. Everyone likes characters who are attractive and interesting, men and women. The problem is that female characters are most times not as well-written as their male counterparts.

Even if you think comics are made exclusively for guys you should be interested in improving female characters and comics in general.

First of all,I disagree with Kriminal. Comics are NOT made exclusively for guys to enjoy,and that doesn't mean that the women have to wear strings as costumes.

And nico7,the only little nitpick I have with what you said is that it makes it seem as if a person of a certain gender/ethnicity thinks in a certain way in a different way than the other(s). Just a nitpick

Posted by cameron83

I mean,I can't speak for all or most girls from,let's say Image or Dynamite or something,but some of them wear incredibly skimpy 90s outfits (like Angela or Sonja)

@cobalion said:

As a female reader, I find that Dynamite does well with Red Sonja. Marvel is doing the best Fearless Defenders, X-men, Uncanny X-force, over the past decade marvel has of their more of their women characters getting an ongoing (e.g Elektra, mystique, Ms. Marvel etc.) though some didnt last long (true). They've DC has been pushing mainly wonder woman, and she hogs the spotlight the most. I guess their doing a good job, but not as good as Marvel or Image (maybe Darkhorse too).

I agree.

I mean,DC does have many female titles (at the moment),but the portrayal of women in DC has been awful. I mean,there are some exceptions,but many of them have been portrayed as:

  • Wearing incredibly sexed up outfits (Starfire, Powergirl, Supergirl, Huntress, Black Canary, Nu 52 Harley,etc) either in the past or from the start of the new 52..and that Catwoman book was....ugh.
  • Their portrayals (for most,not all) have gone downhill (especially from the start of the new 52). I mean,like Starfire, or Powergirl (who always had a strong personality and portrayal that I loved in the old universe,but now......). Or characters like Vixen. Seriously,in the old universe she was a prominent member of the JLA and a really distinctive and great character.Now.....I don't even know anymore. Seriously,I haven't even seen enough of her to decide.

But I believe Marvel has always been pushing more female titles and characters even from WAY back (whereas DC has mainly pushed Wonder Woman,almost like a token female character). And Wonder Woman's costume,while iconic and I kinda like,is still really.....weird for her to wear. DC has either barely been pushing their female characters (and are basically just beginning) or they push them and they end up horribly. And besides,this is kinda a specific example,but....women in refrigerators. Major Force.Kyle Rayner. From what I hear,it's not good.

Posted by daedalus25

@perfect_10 said:

@evilvegeta74: at least dc has consistantly had female led books as part of their roster of series, but NOT marvel. do not go by what is only out now but look at the facts: supergirl, batgirl, wonder woman, birds of prey at one point all were being printed at the same time, marvel doesnt do this. they do one female led book at a time and there have been years when they had NO female lead books. case in point: she-hulk was going, then canceled and replaced with ms. marvel, then canceled and replaced with x-23 then canceled and replaced with captain marvel. things are getting better NOW in 2013 we have captain marvel, fearless defenders and x-men (which in itself shows their lack of confidence in women to not call it x-women) and next year she-hulk is coming but trust captain marvel will end by the time that happens. you cant put marvel over dc with marvel's one year of "equality" when dc has had years of female lead books such as batwoman, batgirl, supergirl, birds of prey and wonder woman.

p.s. i choose image

You couldn't be more wrong as stated Marvel has been doing it for decades, it's onlyin recent yrs that Dc has started having multiple female titles other than WW and BG and honestly, will BG hold up! Also She Hulk has had multiple titles, so has Ms. Marvel dating back to the 80's and maybe 70's in MM's case now known as Capt Marvel along with Spiderwoman and Red Sonja. Also the majority of popular female characters have had Mini-series can that be said of DC comics female characters. I can name one for every one you mention, you first! Also you are overlooking the history of marvel and look at something recent. Before you step to the plate be ready to come out swinging! I'm ready, let's go!

Sorry, but perfect_10 is right. DC has had plenty of female-centric titles and has been doing it far longer than Marvel. Wonder Woman had her own comic book in the 40s. Supergirl in the early 70s (before Ms. Marvel). Batgirl, Catwoman, and Birds of Prey go back for over a decade. Batwoman has been going strong, and Worlds' Finest is still around. And there are dozens of mini-series such as Zatanna, Gotham Sirens, and Power Girl. And those are just the ones immediately off the top of my head without doing any real research. Your implication that only Marvel is capable of maintaining female leads in comic books is quite mistaken.

But DC aside, there are other comic book publishers with female leads such as Red Sonja, Vampirella, and Witchblade that have far outlasted anything put out by Marvel.

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@daedalus25 said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

@perfect_10 said:

@evilvegeta74: at least dc has consistantly had female led books as part of their roster of series, but NOT marvel. do not go by what is only out now but look at the facts: supergirl, batgirl, wonder woman, birds of prey at one point all were being printed at the same time, marvel doesnt do this. they do one female led book at a time and there have been years when they had NO female lead books. case in point: she-hulk was going, then canceled and replaced with ms. marvel, then canceled and replaced with x-23 then canceled and replaced with captain marvel. things are getting better NOW in 2013 we have captain marvel, fearless defenders and x-men (which in itself shows their lack of confidence in women to not call it x-women) and next year she-hulk is coming but trust captain marvel will end by the time that happens. you cant put marvel over dc with marvel's one year of "equality" when dc has had years of female lead books such as batwoman, batgirl, supergirl, birds of prey and wonder woman.

p.s. i choose image

You couldn't be more wrong as stated Marvel has been doing it for decades, it's onlyin recent yrs that Dc has started having multiple female titles other than WW and BG and honestly, will BG hold up! Also She Hulk has had multiple titles, so has Ms. Marvel dating back to the 80's and maybe 70's in MM's case now known as Capt Marvel along with Spiderwoman and Red Sonja. Also the majority of popular female characters have had Mini-series can that be said of DC comics female characters. I can name one for every one you mention, you first! Also you are overlooking the history of marvel and look at something recent. Before you step to the plate be ready to come out swinging! I'm ready, let's go!

Sorry, but perfect_10 is right. DC has had plenty of female-centric titles and has been doing it far longer than Marvel. Wonder Woman had her own comic book in the 40s. Supergirl in the early 70s (before Ms. Marvel). Batgirl, Catwoman, and Birds of Prey go back for over a decade. Batwoman has been going strong, and Worlds' Finest is still around. And there are dozens of mini-series such as Zatanna, Gotham Sirens, and Power Girl. And those are just the ones immediately off the top of my head without doing any real research. Your implication that only Marvel is capable of maintaining female leads in comic books is quite mistaken.

But DC aside, there are other comic book publishers with female leads such as Red Sonja, Vampirella, and Witchblade that have far outlasted anything put out by Marvel.

Once again I say, when you step to the plate be ready to swing where do you think Red Sonya was ? 1977, does it burn? Don't boast come with the facts, I can go on if you need me to. There's nothing worse than mis info! It's cool though? Are female you willing to compare the marvel female titles vs Dc titles and or other companies, seriously! You go then I go, how bout that! Nothing personal, but bring it!

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I really hate how Red Sojna is dressed. It makes no sense to me.

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@cameron83 said:

But I believe Marvel has always been pushing more female titles and characters even from WAY back (whereas DC has mainly pushed Wonder Woman,almost like a token female character). And Wonder Woman's costume,while iconic and I kinda like,is still really.....weird for her to wear. DC has either barely been pushing their female characters (and are basically just beginning) or they push them and they end up horribly. And besides,this is kinda a specific example,but....women in refrigerators. Major Force.Kyle Rayner. From what I hear,it's not good.

To be fair this is mainly do to two reasons.

1)WW is arguably the most popular female comic book character thats NOT a blood relative of Superman or runs around with a bat symbol.

2)She only female in DC's roster that has made a cultural impact( being the feminist icon and all that jazz).The same cannot be said for Mavel's ( or any other companies for that matter) female characters.As for the costume well ..thats not 100% DC's fault.Remember the shitstorm that euprted when they tried to put pants on her.:P

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DC...

I believe they have the most series with a lead female role (not including team books)

Wonder Woman

-Superman/Wonder Woman

Supergirl

Batgirl

Batwoman

Katana

Catwoman

Birds of Prey

Harley Quinn

World's Finest

Red Hood and the Outlaws (Starfire)

Trinity of Sin: Pandora

I could be wrong though...I havnt got into Dynamite and Dark Horse.

Edited by cameron83

@cameron83 said:

But I believe Marvel has always been pushing more female titles and characters even from WAY back (whereas DC has mainly pushed Wonder Woman,almost like a token female character). And Wonder Woman's costume,while iconic and I kinda like,is still really.....weird for her to wear. DC has either barely been pushing their female characters (and are basically just beginning) or they push them and they end up horribly. And besides,this is kinda a specific example,but....women in refrigerators. Major Force.Kyle Rayner. From what I hear,it's not good.

To be fair this is mainly do to two reasons.

1)WW is arguably the most popular female comic book character thats NOT a blood relative of Superman or runs around with a bat symbol.

2)She only female in DC's roster that has made a cultural impact( being the feminist icon and all that jazz).The same cannot be said for Mavel's ( or any other companies for that matter) female characters.As for the costume well ..thats not 100% DC's fault.Remember the shitstorm that euprted when they tried to put pants on her.:P

1. True,but other characters don't magically get popular. They have to be pushed as well. There are plenty quality females in DC that can get the spotlight for at least a minute or two.

2. But still,that doesn't mean that we can't push other characters. It might be asking for a bit much to ask for others to be the front-runners instead of WW,but they should at least push other female characters a lot more than they are.

Posted by cameron83

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@daedalus25 said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

@perfect_10 said:

@evilvegeta74: at least dc has consistantly had female led books as part of their roster of series, but NOT marvel. do not go by what is only out now but look at the facts: supergirl, batgirl, wonder woman, birds of prey at one point all were being printed at the same time, marvel doesnt do this. they do one female led book at a time and there have been years when they had NO female lead books. case in point: she-hulk was going, then canceled and replaced with ms. marvel, then canceled and replaced with x-23 then canceled and replaced with captain marvel. things are getting better NOW in 2013 we have captain marvel, fearless defenders and x-men (which in itself shows their lack of confidence in women to not call it x-women) and next year she-hulk is coming but trust captain marvel will end by the time that happens. you cant put marvel over dc with marvel's one year of "equality" when dc has had years of female lead books such as batwoman, batgirl, supergirl, birds of prey and wonder woman.

p.s. i choose image

You couldn't be more wrong as stated Marvel has been doing it for decades, it's onlyin recent yrs that Dc has started having multiple female titles other than WW and BG and honestly, will BG hold up! Also She Hulk has had multiple titles, so has Ms. Marvel dating back to the 80's and maybe 70's in MM's case now known as Capt Marvel along with Spiderwoman and Red Sonja. Also the majority of popular female characters have had Mini-series can that be said of DC comics female characters. I can name one for every one you mention, you first! Also you are overlooking the history of marvel and look at something recent. Before you step to the plate be ready to come out swinging! I'm ready, let's go!

Sorry, but perfect_10 is right. DC has had plenty of female-centric titles and has been doing it far longer than Marvel. Wonder Woman had her own comic book in the 40s. Supergirl in the early 70s (before Ms. Marvel). Batgirl, Catwoman, and Birds of Prey go back for over a decade. Batwoman has been going strong, and Worlds' Finest is still around. And there are dozens of mini-series such as Zatanna, Gotham Sirens, and Power Girl. And those are just the ones immediately off the top of my head without doing any real research. Your implication that only Marvel is capable of maintaining female leads in comic books is quite mistaken.

But DC aside, there are other comic book publishers with female leads such as Red Sonja, Vampirella, and Witchblade that have far outlasted anything put out by Marvel.

Once again I say, when you step to the plate be ready to swing where do you think Red Sonya was ? 1977, does it burn? Don't boast come with the facts, I can go on if you need me to. There's nothing worse than mis info! It's cool though? Are female you willing to compare the marvel female titles vs Dc titles and or other companies, seriously! You go then I go, how bout that! Nothing personal, but bring it!

Just saying,but I agree with evilvegeta.....although (pronoun) attitude is kinda funny.Not in a bad way,just kinda funny

Posted by evilvegeta74

@cameron83 said:

But I believe Marvel has always been pushing more female titles and characters even from WAY back (whereas DC has mainly pushed Wonder Woman,almost like a token female character). And Wonder Woman's costume,while iconic and I kinda like,is still really.....weird for her to wear. DC has either barely been pushing their female characters (and are basically just beginning) or they push them and they end up horribly. And besides,this is kinda a specific example,but....women in refrigerators. Major Force.Kyle Rayner. From what I hear,it's not good.

To be fair this is mainly do to two reasons.

1)WW is arguably the most popular female comic book character thats NOT a blood relative of Superman or runs around with a bat symbol.

2)She only female in DC's roster that has made a cultural impact( being the feminist icon and all that jazz).The same cannot be said for Mavel's ( or any other companies for that matter) female characters.As for the costume well ..thats not 100% DC's fault.Remember the shitstorm that euprted when they tried to put pants on her.:P

I sort of said that in a different way but agree,with everthing said here.

Edited by evilvegeta74

@cameron83 said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

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@daedalus25 said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

@perfect_10 said:

@evilvegeta74: at least dc has consistantly had female led books as part of their roster of series, but NOT marvel. do not go by what is only out now but look at the facts: supergirl, batgirl, wonder woman, birds of prey at one point all were being printed at the same time, marvel doesnt do this. they do one female led book at a time and there have been years when they had NO female lead books. case in point: she-hulk was going, then canceled and replaced with ms. marvel, then canceled and replaced with x-23 then canceled and replaced with captain marvel. things are getting better NOW in 2013 we have captain marvel, fearless defenders and x-men (which in itself shows their lack of confidence in women to not call it x-women) and next year she-hulk is coming but trust captain marvel will end by the time that happens. you cant put marvel over dc with marvel's one year of "equality" when dc has had years of female lead books such as batwoman, batgirl, supergirl, birds of prey and wonder woman.

p.s. i choose image

You couldn't be more wrong as stated Marvel has been doing it for decades, it's onlyin recent yrs that Dc has started having multiple female titles other than WW and BG and honestly, will BG hold up! Also She Hulk has had multiple titles, so has Ms. Marvel dating back to the 80's and maybe 70's in MM's case now known as Capt Marvel along with Spiderwoman and Red Sonja. Also the majority of popular female characters have had Mini-series can that be said of DC comics female characters. I can name one for every one you mention, you first! Also you are overlooking the history of marvel and look at something recent. Before you step to the plate be ready to come out swinging! I'm ready, let's go!

Sorry, but perfect_10 is right. DC has had plenty of female-centric titles and has been doing it far longer than Marvel. Wonder Woman had her own comic book in the 40s. Supergirl in the early 70s (before Ms. Marvel). Batgirl, Catwoman, and Birds of Prey go back for over a decade. Batwoman has been going strong, and Worlds' Finest is still around. And there are dozens of mini-series such as Zatanna, Gotham Sirens, and Power Girl. And those are just the ones immediately off the top of my head without doing any real research. Your implication that only Marvel is capable of maintaining female leads in comic books is quite mistaken.

But DC aside, there are other comic book publishers with female leads such as Red Sonja, Vampirella, and Witchblade that have far outlasted anything put out by Marvel.

Once again I say, when you step to the plate be ready to swing where do you think Red Sonya was ? 1977, does it burn? Don't boast come with the facts, I can go on if you need me to. There's nothing worse than mis info! It's cool though? Are female you willing to compare the marvel female titles vs Dc titles and or other companies, seriously! You go then I go, how bout that! Nothing personal, but bring it!

Just saying,but I agree with evilvegeta.....although (pronoun) attitude is kinda funny.Not in a bad way,just kinda funny

Beer and intent! lol!

Posted by Akindoodle

@akintoussaint said:

@cameron83 said:

But I believe Marvel has always been pushing more female titles and characters even from WAY back (whereas DC has mainly pushed Wonder Woman,almost like a token female character). And Wonder Woman's costume,while iconic and I kinda like,is still really.....weird for her to wear. DC has either barely been pushing their female characters (and are basically just beginning) or they push them and they end up horribly. And besides,this is kinda a specific example,but....women in refrigerators. Major Force.Kyle Rayner. From what I hear,it's not good.

To be fair this is mainly do to two reasons.

1)WW is arguably the most popular female comic book character thats NOT a blood relative of Superman or runs around with a bat symbol.

2)She only female in DC's roster that has made a cultural impact( being the feminist icon and all that jazz).The same cannot be said for Mavel's ( or any other companies for that matter) female characters.As for the costume well ..thats not 100% DC's fault.Remember the shitstorm that euprted when they tried to put pants on her.:P

1. True,but other characters don't magically get popular. They have to be pushed as well. There are plenty quality females in DC that can get the spotlight for at least a minute or two.

2. But still,that doesn't mean that we can't push other characters. It might be asking for a bit much to ask for others to be the front-runners instead of WW,but they should at least push other female characters a lot more than they are.

*Internet fist bump!* I want to give you an internet hug for that and almost everything else you've said on this thread

Edited by akintoussaint

@akintoussaint said:

@cameron83 said:

But I believe Marvel has always been pushing more female titles and characters even from WAY back (whereas DC has mainly pushed Wonder Woman,almost like a token female character). And Wonder Woman's costume,while iconic and I kinda like,is still really.....weird for her to wear. DC has either barely been pushing their female characters (and are basically just beginning) or they push them and they end up horribly. And besides,this is kinda a specific example,but....women in refrigerators. Major Force.Kyle Rayner. From what I hear,it's not good.

To be fair this is mainly do to two reasons.

1)WW is arguably the most popular female comic book character thats NOT a blood relative of Superman or runs around with a bat symbol.

2)She only female in DC's roster that has made a cultural impact( being the feminist icon and all that jazz).The same cannot be said for Mavel's ( or any other companies for that matter) female characters.As for the costume well ..thats not 100% DC's fault.Remember the shitstorm that euprted when they tried to put pants on her.:P

1. True,but other characters don't magically get popular. They have to be pushed as well. There are plenty quality females in DC that can get the spotlight for at least a minute or two.

2. But still,that doesn't mean that we can't push other characters. It might be asking for a bit much to ask for others to be the front-runners instead of WW,but they should at least push other female characters a lot more than they are.

But its not like DC hasn't tried to push other characters ( Amethyst ,Voodoo,Virtue).Problem is most of their respective books boomed and were canceled.:P

Edited by Swiffer

@husk: Not trying to pick a fight or defend the Defenders, but what about them offended you? Just curious.

Posted by DrellAssassin

If we're talking big two *looks at Starfire's costume*... Marvel. But I'd give it to Image based on the characters we've seen out of the likes of The Walking Dead and Saga.

Edited by Hawkguy

Where's Lois Lane in all this? Has anyone read Gotham Central? Mera? Hawkgirl? Scandal Savage?

When it comes to Marvel, I haven't enjoyed any female characters besides Kitty Pride and what Bendis has done with female characters in Ultimate Spider-man. When it comes to keeping books alive, no one should ever mention Marvel. Seriously. Their female lead books don't sell, and when their books don't sell, they cancel them. If they were really supportive they would try to get the books noticed instead of restarting them a year later to increase sales. I can also guarantee that all the things they're announcing at NYCC, She-Hulk will be the only female involved.

Sure, WW is pushed the most with DC, but why wouldn't she? She's a well known heroine and she's in the Justice League. They have a huge amount of female characters and they all have their own books.

When it comes to costumes, I mean, yeah, some are ridiculous, but then again, could Catwoman wear something baggier? While trying to sneak through laser fields and moving the way she does? One hook into a baggy shirt and she gets caught. Can Mera wear anything besides her suit while swimming under water? Would ANYONE be comfortable fighting in jeans? Even in the current WW there are times when she's wearing civilian clothes.

When it comes down to personalities and the power women evoke, Marvel has been much worse than DC. The characters are in the background and when they do take the spotlight it's short lived.

And let's not forget, Psylocke holds the record for most a$$ shots in comics as well.

Maybe if Joss Whedon wrote every Marvel book with female characters my opinion would change but... well...

Posted by Hawkguy
Edited by cameron83

@cameron83 said:

@akintoussaint said:

@cameron83 said:

But I believe Marvel has always been pushing more female titles and characters even from WAY back (whereas DC has mainly pushed Wonder Woman,almost like a token female character). And Wonder Woman's costume,while iconic and I kinda like,is still really.....weird for her to wear. DC has either barely been pushing their female characters (and are basically just beginning) or they push them and they end up horribly. And besides,this is kinda a specific example,but....women in refrigerators. Major Force.Kyle Rayner. From what I hear,it's not good.

To be fair this is mainly do to two reasons.

1)WW is arguably the most popular female comic book character thats NOT a blood relative of Superman or runs around with a bat symbol.

2)She only female in DC's roster that has made a cultural impact( being the feminist icon and all that jazz).The same cannot be said for Mavel's ( or any other companies for that matter) female characters.As for the costume well ..thats not 100% DC's fault.Remember the shitstorm that euprted when they tried to put pants on her.:P

1. True,but other characters don't magically get popular. They have to be pushed as well. There are plenty quality females in DC that can get the spotlight for at least a minute or two.

2. But still,that doesn't mean that we can't push other characters. It might be asking for a bit much to ask for others to be the front-runners instead of WW,but they should at least push other female characters a lot more than they are.

*Internet fist bump!* I want to give you an internet hug for that and almost everything else you've said on this thread

Thanks :)

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