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Carnage Returns in October

To fight Spidey and Shellhead.

  Can these two handle the Carnage?
 Can these two handle the Carnage?
That’s the damnedest thing about parasites. You can cut them off with a blade, you can incinerate them with a megaton bomb… but no matter how thoroughly you think you’ve killed them, they always somehow manage to eek their way back into your business. Symbiotes are parasites, of course, so anybody who thought Carnage was gone for good ought for to feel foolish right about now. Sure, the last time we saw this monster, he’d been torn in half by the Sentry and tossed into orbit at the beginning of NEW AVENGERS.   All that was really missing was a big bloody “FATALITY” floating in space to mark the occasion. But c’mon, you knew Carnage would be back someday. Even without Cletus Kassidy.

See, one of the titles that was announced at SDCC was CARNAGE, a limited series by Zeb Wells and Clayton Crain that’ll start pitting Spidey and Iron Man against the red maniac in October. Wells has been talking about the project in a number of places, from Marvel’s site to IGN (and thanks to Grubich for the head’s up,) and saying that, just as Venom went from Eddie Brock to Mac Gargan, so too will Carnage pass from Cassidy to an all-new female character. One question that’ll be addressed pertains to how much of Carnage’s evil up until this point can be blamed on the symbiote, and how much of it stemmed from Cassidy... because this new host? She's going to be a bit more conflicted about the usual bloodlust.

  Of this, I speak.
 Of this, I speak.

Ever since seeing Bill Sienkiewicz’s poster of MAXIMUM CARNAGE, I’ve always held this villain in regard as one of the most horrifying in the Marvel universe. Any of you remember that intense “ Spider-Carnage” storyline from back in the days of Ben Reilly? So I’m glad (although a bit scarred, admittedly) to see this killer’s returned to the fold. But what about you Comic Vine maniacs? Do you concur?

-- Tom Pinchuk is the writer of HYBRID BASTARDS!  and UNIMAGINABLE. Pre-order the HYBRID BASTARDS! hardcover now on Amazon.com.

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@KasadyCarnage:@KasadyCarnage said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @WillRobinson said:
" @Gambit1024: Unsurprisingly. You don't have to be a parasite in comics to be "brought back from the dead". I will say that Carnage is one of the least inspiring villains in all of comics for me. Psychopath killer is one thing, but no real motive other than a bee-line for 'Spidey/Venom makes him an obvious Joker facsimile without the intelligence and drive to make him interesting. Pass. "
He kills people because deep down he doesn't want them to have the opportunity to hurt him. He's a child afraid of being abused again. "

I'm the one who told you that. "
Really, because I found that out in the comics
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@wolfman54 said:
"Needs to be cassiday, that is what made him Carnage "

I agree
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Needs to be cassiday, that is what made him Carnage
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carnage was fantastic, but i am sick and tired of all these female replacements. miss sinister, new black panther,  the new red skull is probably Sin,  loki turned to a chick,  and now this? she better be one sick ****  like Kletus or i'm not sure i could like her. 
 
what would be REALLY awesome, is if Kletus came back for his symbiote and kills her.

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@misterz173:
Ohh boy... 
 
Kasady was in the costume. Bendis left that whole "Maybe the symbiote was alone" schtick in to make Carnage's/Kasady's death open-ended for the future, so if another writer comes aong and decides to bring him back, they can decide Kasady's fate for themselves. Bendis never officially said Kasay was in the symbiote, or if he wasn't... 
 
And a later writer (Zeb Wells) came in and said "hey, since its open-ended, I'm gona say Kasady was in the symbiote, and...he's dead." There you have it. 
 
It makes no sense to have the symbiote, an organism that cannot survive without a host, locked-up in a jail cell instead of some sci-fi stasis tank, so Carnage was Kasady-bonded when Sentry killed him.
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carnage is a lame character he wasnt around long should have kept it that way......................now watch ben riley will come back in december
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Nice! Love Zeb Wells, and I understand its not Cassidy but recall that the symbiote was with him so long maybe the symbiote retained some of Cassidy's psycotic personality. I can't wait to see who it is!!!!!!
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Female Carnage? This has me intrigued...

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There's gonna be Hell to pay!

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@misterz173:
 
in an interview one of the guys doing the story confirmed kletus is dead, and that both of them were never fans of him....why would someone who never liked thee character be chosen to bring him back?  Carnage isn't everyones favorite butt he has a lot of fans
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@CadeShanley said:
"Carnage?!!? But how The Sentry took it way down how did he survive?!!?    "

Cassidy wasn't in the suit when Sentry ripped it apart. Plus, I think parts of the Carnage symbiote fused with Cassady's body, the wat the Venom symbiote did with Eddie Brock. It just needed time to regenerate itself.
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Also...Iron Man already defeated an army of symbiotes.Why would Spider-Man be teaming up with him when Iron Man can beat Carnage by himself?

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I like how Sentry ripping him in half did nothing.Marvel just can't let go of novelties that have worn off.Symbiotes are pass their prime.They aren't cool anymore.They have characters they won't even let you know their whereabouts but you bring back punk ass Carnage.The character has no reason to exist.

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I is disappoint.

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I'm going to wait and see how ridiculous this gets. But what woman in the Marvel universe can be tied to Spider-Man and Iron Man? 
 
Is Carnage possessing Jessica Drew?
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im torn about this 
 
my interest in the new carnage is peaked cuz im almost always interested in nnew takes on character but we all know how wrong an experiment like this can go, i wont name any examples because we ll have different tastes 
 
and secondly i liked cletus because i relate to him      hes lost in a world thatseems just so empty and meaningless to him and hes trying to do anything just 2 get by
 
i recently had a pychotic episode and to this day i still feel so empty, like its all some big joke and i cant help but feel trapped
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I'm on the fence. On one hand, I liked the End of Carnage and Cassidy was awesome as him. Even if he was psychotic. In addition, making everyone and their mother female characters is totally just to get a reaction out of the fanboys, where's the fun in that?
 
On the other hand, Women can be just as psychotic as men and I think as long as it's not a cheap imitation, it's worth a read.

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Um.. I don't know how to feel.

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sweet .
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Maybe he'll eat that Deadpool corps ?

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carnage attaches himself to Rulk.... just imagine.

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@Mr. Dead Pool totally agree. This new deal oughta be interesting, but it's not Carnage without Cassidy.
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eh.
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Can't wait to see Iron Man and Spiderman team up. I'm not too sure about Iron Man's armor though.

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@KasadyCarnage said:
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Told ya he'd be back... I did... but then it turned arround and bit me in the @$$. I miss Cletus Kasady already. Carnage deserves better than this.

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@KasadyCarnage:
I completly agree i say bring back Kasady as if venom changing characters was'nt enough
bringing back a great character but bringing this big change they said Kasady may not of been in the symbiote but now he's dead officially talk about my day being ruined
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i love Crain's work and this series i think it would be awesome

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never liked the character... so it ehhhhhhhh to me

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@KasadyCarnage said:
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Told ya he'd be back... I did... but then it turned arround and bit me in the @$$. I miss Cletus Kasady already. Carnage deserves better than this.

"

LMAO. I somehow knew you would be all over this.
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YAAAAAAAASSS My boy carnage is coming back and know  he's going to fight spider-man and ironman cant wait for octuber.

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Finally, Carnage is back! I admit, I was kinda looking forward to seeing Kassidy return so he could be pit against Anti-Venom, but this story sounds even better. And with Iron Man, too? Even better! 
 
I just hope this new host is a new character... Not some perverted clone-child of some demented villain or one of Spidey's friends... I want a whole new story!!!  And a whole new character!

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@Nyogtha said:
" @*Girl of Steel*:  It just feels like a total retcon though. It was always nodded that the symbiotes go after humans that have hatred or blood lust in them. Venom was pure hatred, Carnage wanted murder and blood spilled. Kinda like Khonshu is with Moon Knight. But they were only as vicious as the human it inhabited. Venom turned into a hero because he wasn't just maiming and destroying. Carnage turned into what it was because Cletus was a deranged killer.   If it's just some woman that it picks off the street, I'm not buying it. The woman it picks has to be interesting enough on her own, have a good story as to why the symbiote wants to bond to her. It's not that me (not speaking for everyone) is jumping the gun, it just sounds like a re write without a need of one. "
Yeah it is pretty retcon-esque, especially considering his very definitive death. But I'm pretty sure they said his bloodlust will remain within it, so that's not probably going to factor.  As for the " possibly new character" I'd at least hope it's someone they would thoroughly well build before introducing. I'll definitely be fan depending on how it's handled, but I really think their goal is to just give us a new perspective into the symbiotes. Yes it is sort of  a rewrite..., but it wouldn't have been a lot lamer if they had thought of some stupid way to bring Cletus back.
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@KasadyCarnage said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @WillRobinson said:
" @Gambit1024: Unsurprisingly. You don't have to be a parasite in comics to be "brought back from the dead". I will say that Carnage is one of the least inspiring villains in all of comics for me. Psychopath killer is one thing, but no real motive other than a bee-line for 'Spidey/Venom makes him an obvious Joker facsimile without the intelligence and drive to make him interesting. Pass. "
He kills people because deep down he doesn't want them to have the opportunity to hurt him. He's a child afraid of being abused again. "

I'm the one who told you that. "
I know. And you were right. So I told him that.
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@*Girl of Steel*:  It just feels like a total retcon though. It was always nodded that the symbiotes go after humans that have hatred or blood lust in them. Venom was pure hatred, Carnage wanted murder and blood spilled. Kinda like Khonshu is with Moon Knight. But they were only as vicious as the human it inhabited. Venom turned into a hero because he wasn't just maiming and destroying. Carnage turned into what it was because Cletus was a deranged killer. 
 
If it's just some woman that it picks off the street, I'm not buying it. The woman it picks has to be interesting enough on her own, have a good story as to why the symbiote wants to bond to her. It's not that me (not speaking for everyone) is jumping the gun, it just sounds like a re write without a need of one.
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Oh yeah
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@G-Man:

Here here! I actually would like to see Carnage again, but just not brought back like this... It feels like it's too little too late.
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@TheMess1428 said:

" @*Girl of Steel* said:

" @sora_thekey said:

" Passing on to a female host sound very Ultimate... In the 1610 Universe the host was Gwen Stacy... who could be the....
 
@TheMess1428 said:

" I'm putting out there that I think the new host is Gwen Stacy's daughter. "
Don't be surprised if she is... although I really like Sarah Stacy as a character... This would probably ruin her even more "
 
They've pretty much confirmed it's going to be a all new character so I'm pretty sure Sarah is safe, and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings ."
I didn't see anything about it being a new character. It just said female. And female Carnage screams Gwen Stacy and she's dead so Sarah Stacy is left. "
    
 
IGN Comics: By starting from scratch are you referring to a new character? Can you tell us a bit about the character? Does this person know Peter Parker?
  ZebWells: "She's a civilian who gets sucked in to Spider-Man and Iron Man's world. We're going to see just how much of Carnage's villainy was Cletus, and how much was the symbiote. ... That's enough. "
 It's probably not totally likely that's it is her but I suppose it isn't out of the question either.  It would be cool though now that I've thought about it to see her back into  the fray of stuff.
http://comics.ign.com/articles/110/1108393p1.html
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@*Girl of Steel* said:
" @sora_thekey said:
" Passing on to a female host sound very Ultimate... In the 1610 Universe the host was Gwen Stacy... who could be the....
 
@TheMess1428 said:
" I'm putting out there that I think the new host is Gwen Stacy's daughter. "
Don't be surprised if she is... although I really like Sarah Stacy as a character... This would probably ruin her even more "
 
They've pretty much confirmed it's going to be a all new character so I'm pretty sure Sarah is safe, and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings ."
I didn't see anything about it being a new character. It just said female. And female Carnage screams Gwen Stacy and she's dead so Sarah Stacy is left.
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@sora_thekey said:
" @*Girl of Steel* said:
" @sora_thekey said:
" @*Girl of Steel* said:
"and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings"
I think that's because the dynamic between the two characters was really good, until Civil War... they are trying to get it back! and how funny it would be if Tony's next girlfriend was Sarah Stacy?!?! "
Yeah that's true,  and considering that  it definitely does make sense as a option. Wow! Yeah that be pretty randomly funny, and at least definitely a interesting match for him. "
Probably would be too much for Tony to handle "
Yeah at least reformed Tony anyway... lol
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@*Girl of Steel* said:
" @sora_thekey said:
" @*Girl of Steel* said:
"and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings"
I think that's because the dynamic between the two characters was really good, until Civil War... they are trying to get it back! and how funny it would be if Tony's next girlfriend was Sarah Stacy?!?! "
Yeah that's true,  and considering that  it definitely does make sense as a option. Wow! Yeah that be pretty randomly funny, and at least definitely a interesting match for him. "
Probably would be too much for Tony to handle
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@sora_thekey said:
" @*Girl of Steel* said:
"and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings"
I think that's because the dynamic between the two characters was really good, until Civil War... they are trying to get it back! and how funny it would be if Tony's next girlfriend was Sarah Stacy?!?! "
Yeah that's true,  and considering that  it definitely does make sense as a option. Wow! Yeah that be pretty randomly funny, and at least definitely a interesting match for him.
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@*Girl of Steel* said:
"and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings"
I think that's because the dynamic between the two characters was really good, until Civil War... they are trying to get it back!
and how funny it would be if Tony's next girlfriend was Sarah Stacy?!?!
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@sora_thekey said:
" Passing on to a female host sound very Ultimate... In the 1610 Universe the host was Gwen Stacy... who could be the....
 
@TheMess1428 said:
" I'm putting out there that I think the new host is Gwen Stacy's daughter. "
Don't be surprised if she is... although I really like Sarah Stacy as a character... This would probably ruin her even more "
 
They've pretty much confirmed it's going to be a all new character so I'm pretty sure Sarah is safe, and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings .
 


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I'm not going to read anything with this New Carnage unless She Makes a Real Impact on the Character, Cletus was basically Zsasz with a hemophiliac Symbiote, and not much else. 

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I loved it when he got ripped in half. 

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Come On They should of kept that psycho dead....

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Passing on to a female host sound very Ultimate... In the 1610 Universe the host was Gwen Stacy... who could be the....
 
@TheMess1428 said:

" I'm putting out there that I think the new host is Gwen Stacy's daughter. "
Don't be surprised if she is... although I really like Sarah Stacy as a character... This would probably ruin her even more
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Carnage should be the villan in Spiderman 4. Either that or Vulture.
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Awwww jeez i really thought they totally killed him off but yes ive been wrong before and ive should have seen this coming well i'll be looking forward to this and i hope their might be a Carnage vs Venom rematch in the future
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Why make him now a girl? Whats up with that?
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By Crain!!! Awesome!
Carnage back, not so much... but since I love Crain stylized artwork... 
 
Talking about all those symbiotes and such, more than Eddie Brock back into the black symbiote, Carnage's return or Mac Gargan's symbiotic adventures, I would love to have some kinda follow-up to early 2000s' character Toxin!
What happened to the guy?!