Brutally Honest: Moments That Make You Shake Your Head

It seems as if the signature feminist in Wonder Woman was completely destroyed. I have never been a big Wonder Woman fan, but even I am appalled at this horrible writing. Why Wonder Woman, I will agree needed some form of modernization or update, but completely destroying her as an icon for women in power was the wrong way to take this character. Wonder Woman since the beginning was as I see her supposed to be merciless and strong, and especially would never bow her head to any man.The concept of putting her below Superman is only reinforcing every Gender Role in our society that Wonder Woman was fighting against. For example one of my favorite (other than her kiss with superman) portrayals of Wonder Woman was during the Batman and Robin All Star run, while her appearance was short to me someone had finally gotten Wonder Woman right. She powerful and self reliant, this is where this writer you pointed out failed, but her vulnerability was correctly portrayed. In the example offered by Babs we see Wonder Woman Idealizing Superman. Like I said I believe Wonder Woman was never designed or intended to be put beneath man, or vulnerable because they are greater or more complete. ( The irony is that Superman has and always will be more lost than Wonder Woman) Wonder Woman knows who she is and what she stands for, Wonder Woman's weak area should lye in her lack of understanding of the world around her not herself. She is self confident and reassured when written correctly, but at that same time lacks understanding of the world around her. A short rant I may back this up with examples later, but the basic concept of how she was wrongly portrayed I hope gets across. 

Um...correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't JMS writing both the Superman and Wonder Woman books for awhile? And aren't both the guys writing them still following his notes for both books? I'm just wondering, if JMS was still on both titles, would everyone still be complaining about the whole WW thing?

PG is an alternate version of a spin-off of Superman. Of cource she would compare herself to him. 
 
How old is WW supposed to be? I mean, she is immortal, & while one of the youngest, how long was she on the island, training to be a warrior? Did the Amazons even have any contact with the outside? Superman is supposed to be the beginning of a new age of super heros, both in universe & in real life, so yeah, they should say WW was inspired by him.
 
& to be honest, I have asked alot of people this question, both in class, & at work, male & female, not one of them sees WW as on the same as Batman & Supes. They put her on the same level as GL, Flash, Aquaman. Above Hawkman & Jonn Jones. The top tier yeah, but not the "Trinity" as they are called.

When I read that issue of Superman, I got incredibly angry. I hate when writers use the "Oh, I saw Superman. Now I am a hero" cop-out. Yes. He's inspiring. But Wonder Woman should be a hero because of who she IS, not who she happened to SEE. I was very disappointed. And the fact that this is now part of her new canon is disappointing.

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Oh, other than my earlier comment, these moments, when I first read about them (I got into comics back in 2008) made me angry, to the point that I wanted to organize everyone here to stage a coup on the comic companies: 
 
-The trouble with keeping the Justice League roster (with the trinity) stable throughout volume 2 (though I do like the new lineup they have right now) 
-Spider-Man's problems because of OMD 
-The sheer amount of (prominent and secondary) character deaths in these past few years 
-The fact that they turned the Scarlet Witch into an insane killer and Daredevil into a puppet for a demon 
-Depowering Static 
-Completely messing up the Marvel Family 
-Deciding to alter Wonder Woman's timeline 
-The fact that they put Earth-Man into the Legion of Super-Heroes and made Mon-El a Green Lantern 
-The arguments stemming from the storytelling of "Grounded" (and the way it is being depicted)
-Power Girl having financial troubles 
-Not changing David Reid back to normal 
-The fact that Jean Grey is still dead 
-Hawkman and Hawkgirl being disintegrated by the White Lantern 
-Aquaman getting his hand cut off.....AGAIN 
-Killing Holly Granger and Garth 
-Green Arrow killing Prometheus 
-Lian Harper being killed 
-Roy Harper's downward spiral 
-And finally, along with the above and some others I don't need to mention at this point 

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Maxwell Lord shooting Jaime Reyes in the head.

 I think at some point this year, I'm going to write a letter/manifesto to both of the big two, to tell them to clean up their acts for good.....and for pete's sake, get rid of their obsession with death. Fewer and fewer big events More standalone issues or 2-3 part stories in a titleThe return of anthology titles and digests, if they want to get more readers No unecessary reboots, get writers who know and care for the characters they're tasked with telling tales of And finally, START DOING INTERCOMPANY CROSSOVERS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! "

I really like you, you are after my taste, we are angry about exactly the same things

There's not one point where I'd disagree with you, okay maybe Intercompany Crossovers, I can live without them.

I'd just add Dolphin to Garth and Holly Granger.

And Jaime? First they unneccessarily kill of Ted Kord, albeit replacing him with a really good character, just to kill this character off in exactly the same way?

How I love the Didiot and Johns.

Seriously, each month I buy less superhero biiks by the big 2 and buy more comics from Dark Horse/ Image/ IDW and other indie publishers.

At elast, if I buy an Avatar comic, I know it will be tasteless, violent and full of gore and (probably) sex. I really don't need to see this in a regular Marvel or DC comicbook

"Every single appearance of Emma Frost makes me shake my head. "

 
 
corrected for truth. 

@Caligula

why does everyone hate what i love :( (maybe jotham was right, maybe i have poor taste) "

jotham is totally right, you have no idea how much I loathe you for posting this pics, activated my gagreflex again.
Seriously, here I come to check this thread, one week after I posted the last time and now this.
I just don't feel welcome here anymore. :-)

" Maybe the trinity needs to be abolished . "

It's a good thing regular Wonder Woman will be back eventually from what I've heard.

I'm not even upset about the Power Girl thing. I'm PISSED off about the Wonder Woman thing. It completely invalidates Wonder Woman and insults her that this is her origin. Making her origin tie into Superman doesn't make her on an even footing with the Trinity. It makes her less than. THIS JUST UPSETS ME SO MUCH. AWWWWW!!!!!!

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  This messed up Spider-man forever "

Biggest SMH moment? Easily in Blackest Night when Ganthet was able to control the other corps rings for replication because they are based on Oan technology and had a hidden safeguard that no one knew about except the Guardians :/  There are so many questions and confusion that this action raises I don't even know where to start. It comes off as being way too convenient for the situation.

I am still shaking my head

while you may have your point about Wonder Woman... your point about Power Girl show a lack of your ability to read into what was being said there. She was saying that she wanted to have some emblem, to give something they could look at and derive meaning or hope from... something to FILL the hole that is created when we long for heroes...She couldn't think of anything because she, herself, had that hole in her own thoughts and thus the hole IS an emblem itself.

" @entropy_aegis:  you sir have crossed the line batman is never an idiot (unless written by johns)"

" @entropy_aegis:  funny thing is i could actually see batman in some situation somewhere being like "fuck you kid, im the goddamn batman". Batman rip though, morrison was reaching pretty far. "

I agree

" I think my problem with the Powergirl lines are that it doesn't convey what they were meant to. Contextually, they were meant to show how she didn't really know who she was. But that's... not what they convey here. Here they sound like she just couldn't think of anything cool looking enough.I think maybe it should have been worded more like...  "I wanted to find a symbol that showed people who I was. But I couldn't think of anything that did that." "

" All of Identity Crisis. The "Dark Serious Turn" for the DC universe was an eye rolling extravaganza for me. Heavy hitters like Superman and Batman were left bamboozled by a mystery Robin could have solved when he was 13. Did not enjoy that at all. "

I think my problem with the Powergirl lines are that it doesn't convey what they were meant to. Contextually, they were meant to show how she didn't really know who she was. But that's... not what they convey here. Here they sound like she just couldn't think of anything cool looking enough.

I think maybe it should have been worded more like...  "I wanted to find a symbol that showed people who I was. But I couldn't think of anything that did that."

" @entropy_aegis:  3 words holmes
  batman of zur-en-arrh morrison's a shit-bird "

For me the list is too long to list. I'm disappointed in pretty much every decision made by either of the big two in the last 11 years.

Wait you're bothered because WW payed tribute to DC's golden boy in a moment he's depressed because he lost many of his race that he recently found out that survived to the destruction of his home planet? 
 
Seriously, that's no reason to be bothered about it, 1st it was always the way DC rolled, Superman is an example to everyone, he might rob a museum alongside batman and leave money in there because they had K exposed, but he's an example to everyone all the time no matter what, I think it was far worse when WW killed Max and she got a lot of hate and even retired from the hero life, really? A born warrior raised for war and combat?  
2nd Superman that is always pointed as an example of purity and such, has depowered and right after murdered the 3 depowered Kryptonians with Kriptonite, that's cold blood murder in the spot, but its ok he will always be an example, he did that to stop the permanently depowered Kryptonians from doing more harm in the future, so he doesn't kills the Joker, Luthor or everyone else that is human lvl and he knows the body count they will make in the future will go to unkown number of digits, but 3 Kryptonians reducced to the same lvl need to be killed, and if WW kills Max to prevent Superman from doing harm to others gets greeted with hate, IIRC Bats didn't even talked to her.  
 
And PG like WW is paying her tribute to SM as well, allthough there's a diferent version where she states that the reason of the hole is because it shows what she is, its shows she's a woman and if guys distract themselves looking she's not apologizing for that.  
So the way PG found to reveal that she's a woman is getting a huge hole on her suit revealing a good deal of her breasts.

WW rules she'll be back 

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  This messed up Spider-man forever "

" @entropy_aegis:  quality over quantity beotch"

There's far too many to count, but some of the major ones include Juggernaut's creepy Dazzler obsession and the entirety of the X-men Forever series.

" @entropy_aegis:  2  good batman stories is still whey more than mr. grant "my face is nothing but a giant flaccid penis" morrison, has "

" Every single appearance of Emma Frost written by Matt Fraction makes me shake my head.  "

" @TheBuck said:

" Been a while since I read that issue is JSA Classafied but wasn't  Power Girls real because she didn't feel like she belonged and it will remain empty until she feel like she does belong?
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Yes, but did people really buy that argument? And I feel like she belongs now, but her costume is still the same. I would much rather have her say "Hey I have a hole here because I want it there and I can wear whatever I want- I'm a voluptuous woman and I'm proud of that, and I have no problem using my assets to distract you. If you're distracted, don't be mad at me when I've K.O.'d you for the next week." "

i think she'll be back to normal soon enough and none of that will matter. Just a distant memory...

Grant Morrisons run on X-men.  Just garbage. 

I agree.  PowerGirl is stupid.  She is the bimbo of comics.  LOL

Too many to count, I'm afraid. I've actually given up on Marvel and DC after 30+ years of collecting. I love so many of the characters and it's been hard for me to see them written in ways I disdain. (Not that I'm the definitive judge...ok I am. At least as far as my wallet goes)...
 
Off the top of my head, 
Mephisto asking for a marriage instead of a soul and the guy that was once a hero saying Okey Dokey has been at the top of my list. 
 
Syrin losing her child and then running to the bed of Deadpool is a tad jarring
 
Making the Star Sapphires the "Love" group when their all kind of stalkery and their paragon is called the Predator...
 
I'm sure there's more but luckily I don't read them...I just read about them on the character bios here and cry in the fetal position on my floor.

well i'm not too bothered by the Powergirl or WW thing...doesn't seem like a big idea, i just hate when comics tend to make a hero TOO powerful for example i hated the World War Hulk saga where they had the hulk beat like EVERYONE in the Marvel Universe i mean COME ON, how the hell does he beat Professor x and the ENTIRE Avengers??

" @entropy_aegis:  2  good batman stories is still whey more than mr. grant "my face is nothing but a giant flaccid *&$%" morrison, has "