Brutally Honest: Moments That Make You Shake Your Head

Cassandra Cain.  That is the biggest screw up in writing I have seen in comics.  It still gets under my skin every time I think about.

hated the ending os secret invasion

That stupid grimdark Wonderdog story. That was retarded.

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  This messed up Spider-man forever "

" @WDW:  you said "I don't even consider my self a comic fan, "I'm just a Wonder Woman fan.I'd like to get into some other comic but i just can't." and I take it you are a feminist (that's just me assuming things by your comments, so don't be offended because i don't know you personally) and I figured i'd give you a list of comics and females to check out since you seem to be into Women. "

Someone has already mentioned this but:
Cassandra Cain's derailment.

" @WDW: nah, my reason for liking Batman so much, is that he was my first. I got a long box full of Batman/Detective comics when i was like six. So it's more sentimental than any sort of connection with his personality. He is actually very much right wing in his attitude dare I see even Communist or Facist. and I am a Libertarian for the most part. :D  it's weird what people like. "

Really, Power Girl? Anyone else find it convenient that the chest is where most superheroes have their symbols. Ironically, the chest itself is the reason anyone outside the comic world would remember Power Girl. That's just wrong.

It's the fact that Superman seems to be the standard of heroism that all other heroes are held to. A previous poster brought the ambivalent Outsiders series. I liked that series during the mid 2000s when I read as a teen. It was interesting and different to see Dick push himself into not amoral, but ambigous territory. He attempted the same kind of tactics that Batman had been using since the first crisis ala No Man's Land and such. Controlling crime while eliminating the other families? I mean he's not "technically" killing them, but still. For Superman to step in and say "You're doing it wrong" reinforces the notion of beware the Superman.  
 
For all his amazing abilities, his principles and image shouldn't be the standard the DC heroes aspire to. Let me clarify something: I like Superman. For all my jaded criticisim, I appreciate him when his ideals prove justifiable and not preachy. Where it really counts in little moments, not where he's walking across America or shitting on characters about their pragmatism or amoral killings. It's like when Ollie killed Promethus in Cry for Justice. I applauded him. He didn't regret it until he realized the the negative effect it had on Mia when she was about to murder that villain. There's a consquence for killing in comics that can be safely explored. 
 
When you have the mentality of "I want to save everyone" It's noble but at the same time what leads to fans like us ranting and debating about "Should he kill or shouldn't he?" Not every hero should be a saint and not every vigilante should be a mass murdering serial killer from the Dark Age. it's the shades of that avenger vs guardian mentality that makes comics interesting. 
 
As for Superman's iconic status, sure we get it. He's one of the first big heroes. And it's cool for alot of heroes to admire him and be inspired by him. I just find it grating when a writer injects their hero worship of any of the Trinity, when it had been previously established that character was inspired by something else. 
 
Batman was inspired by a bat and the vow to never stop waging his crusade against crime. He respects someone like Supes, but he realizes that he's also used as a measuring stick in terms of heroism. I wish I could say the same about Wonder Woman. She's an icon, but honestly she doesn't have that impact as much as she used to have. Still, she's inspired people like Cassie and Artemis, so it balances out. 
 
Through it all, I'm saying that the Big Three serve as one of the inspirations for the newer heroes, but they're not the end all be all measuring stick for heroism.  
 
Some are motivated by fame(Booster-Gold, pre time-travelling) some by vengence(Batman),some by duty(Green Lanterns), and some are motivated by the simple ideal of wanting to save every life, no matter what the consquences maybe (Superman). And it' alot of little factors as well that incorporate into inspiration for heroes.

Power Girl should have been like... you want a symbol? I already got a symbol right here! Bam!

" @entropy_aegis:  2  good batman stories is still whey more than mr. grant "my face is nothing but a giant flaccid *&$%" morrison, has "

well i'm not too bothered by the Powergirl or WW thing...doesn't seem like a big idea, i just hate when comics tend to make a hero TOO powerful for example i hated the World War Hulk saga where they had the hulk beat like EVERYONE in the Marvel Universe i mean COME ON, how the hell does he beat Professor x and the ENTIRE Avengers??

Too many to count, I'm afraid. I've actually given up on Marvel and DC after 30+ years of collecting. I love so many of the characters and it's been hard for me to see them written in ways I disdain. (Not that I'm the definitive judge...ok I am. At least as far as my wallet goes)...
 
Off the top of my head, 
Mephisto asking for a marriage instead of a soul and the guy that was once a hero saying Okey Dokey has been at the top of my list. 
 
Syrin losing her child and then running to the bed of Deadpool is a tad jarring
 
Making the Star Sapphires the "Love" group when their all kind of stalkery and their paragon is called the Predator...
 
I'm sure there's more but luckily I don't read them...I just read about them on the character bios here and cry in the fetal position on my floor.

I agree.  PowerGirl is stupid.  She is the bimbo of comics.  LOL

Grant Morrisons run on X-men.  Just garbage. 

i think she'll be back to normal soon enough and none of that will matter. Just a distant memory...

" @TheBuck said:

" Been a while since I read that issue is JSA Classafied but wasn't  Power Girls real because she didn't feel like she belonged and it will remain empty until she feel like she does belong?
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Yes, but did people really buy that argument? And I feel like she belongs now, but her costume is still the same. I would much rather have her say "Hey I have a hole here because I want it there and I can wear whatever I want- I'm a voluptuous woman and I'm proud of that, and I have no problem using my assets to distract you. If you're distracted, don't be mad at me when I've K.O.'d you for the next week." "

" Every single appearance of Emma Frost written by Matt Fraction makes me shake my head.  "

" @entropy_aegis:  2  good batman stories is still whey more than mr. grant "my face is nothing but a giant flaccid penis" morrison, has "

There's far too many to count, but some of the major ones include Juggernaut's creepy Dazzler obsession and the entirety of the X-men Forever series.

" @entropy_aegis:  quality over quantity beotch"

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  This messed up Spider-man forever "

WW rules she'll be back 

Wait you're bothered because WW payed tribute to DC's golden boy in a moment he's depressed because he lost many of his race that he recently found out that survived to the destruction of his home planet? 
 
Seriously, that's no reason to be bothered about it, 1st it was always the way DC rolled, Superman is an example to everyone, he might rob a museum alongside batman and leave money in there because they had K exposed, but he's an example to everyone all the time no matter what, I think it was far worse when WW killed Max and she got a lot of hate and even retired from the hero life, really? A born warrior raised for war and combat?  
2nd Superman that is always pointed as an example of purity and such, has depowered and right after murdered the 3 depowered Kryptonians with Kriptonite, that's cold blood murder in the spot, but its ok he will always be an example, he did that to stop the permanently depowered Kryptonians from doing more harm in the future, so he doesn't kills the Joker, Luthor or everyone else that is human lvl and he knows the body count they will make in the future will go to unkown number of digits, but 3 Kryptonians reducced to the same lvl need to be killed, and if WW kills Max to prevent Superman from doing harm to others gets greeted with hate, IIRC Bats didn't even talked to her.  
 
And PG like WW is paying her tribute to SM as well, allthough there's a diferent version where she states that the reason of the hole is because it shows what she is, its shows she's a woman and if guys distract themselves looking she's not apologizing for that.  
So the way PG found to reveal that she's a woman is getting a huge hole on her suit revealing a good deal of her breasts.

For me the list is too long to list. I'm disappointed in pretty much every decision made by either of the big two in the last 11 years.

" @entropy_aegis:  3 words holmes
  batman of zur-en-arrh morrison's a shit-bird "

I think my problem with the Powergirl lines are that it doesn't convey what they were meant to. Contextually, they were meant to show how she didn't really know who she was. But that's... not what they convey here. Here they sound like she just couldn't think of anything cool looking enough.

I think maybe it should have been worded more like...  "I wanted to find a symbol that showed people who I was. But I couldn't think of anything that did that."

" All of Identity Crisis. The "Dark Serious Turn" for the DC universe was an eye rolling extravaganza for me. Heavy hitters like Superman and Batman were left bamboozled by a mystery Robin could have solved when he was 13. Did not enjoy that at all. "

" I think my problem with the Powergirl lines are that it doesn't convey what they were meant to. Contextually, they were meant to show how she didn't really know who she was. But that's... not what they convey here. Here they sound like she just couldn't think of anything cool looking enough.I think maybe it should have been worded more like...  "I wanted to find a symbol that showed people who I was. But I couldn't think of anything that did that." "

I agree

" @entropy_aegis:  funny thing is i could actually see batman in some situation somewhere being like "fuck you kid, im the goddamn batman". Batman rip though, morrison was reaching pretty far. "

" @entropy_aegis:  you sir have crossed the line batman is never an idiot (unless written by johns)"

while you may have your point about Wonder Woman... your point about Power Girl show a lack of your ability to read into what was being said there. She was saying that she wanted to have some emblem, to give something they could look at and derive meaning or hope from... something to FILL the hole that is created when we long for heroes...She couldn't think of anything because she, herself, had that hole in her own thoughts and thus the hole IS an emblem itself.

I am still shaking my head