Big Change to Flash's Role in 'Arrow' [Update]

YES!

I cant wait to see Captain Cold <3333

Once again, they manage to exclude super powers from the Arrow world. Whatever. Still a great show and only a minor change. Still don't think Grant Gustin should play Barry though...

I like it.

It shows they have great confidence in their story, their cast and their direction. And that bodes well.

You never know. He could end up being great.

they'll definitely get all those viewers curious about the costume to jump over from Arrow, i'm just happy things with DC are finally expanding

Well see. I havent really seen anything he's been in, but he looks pretty young to be playing Barry

Good move

That is a good sign of faith in what they have seen from Grant. All this talk about Johns and his love of Cyborg on the other thread related to Johns make me wonder if Vic will be the Chloe Sullivan or Green Arrow (Bandit) on this show. S.T.A.R. Labs could help build a cosmic treadmill... They could even develop Flash's costume. I am looking forward to this show to see what the creators can pull off.

Maybe Nightwing will pop up if he is indeed showing up on Arrow. If time travel is used, maybe we will see Max Mercury, XS, Booster Gold, Rip Hunter, Goldstar, or Jay Garrick from another universe.

Still can't believe Flash is getting a TV show and a movie whilst Wonder Woman....

This was a good decision. I didn't like them bringing powers to Arrow.

I actually really like this idea. I'm still behind on Arrow so I'd hate to have to watch Flash's origin in Arrow to catch up on his story in his own show.

Its still going to be in the same universe. Barry is showing up in Arrow. They are just giving him a proper pilot instead of a back door one.

I'm positive they'll do crossover episodes if both TV shows are concurrent for any length of time.

They have a problem with the whole female thing. Probably lasting backlash from Elektra and Catwoman.

Not saying its right, but it just is.

Who knows, maybe they'll drop a WW movie announcement sometime next year

@queenfrost_: Whatever happened to that 'Amazon' show CW was making?

God if they try and make it to where barry doesn't have super speed but instead he's just "super duper fast" or something stupid like that, all my hope will be lost for anything that arrow puts out in the future. There are only so many characters in the dcu that can be changed to not have superpowers

According to this (and I'm not saying its 100% true), the pilot is pushed back to 2014. They're being careful because the NBC WW pilot was garbage.

@fallschirmjager: Might be same universe but by getting his powers in his own Pilot it's easier to look at it as separate universes for those who don't want to mix. There are ways to do a good crossover without bringing those powers to the GA show and that is only if they do one.

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Oh. I thought this was how it was going to be from the start considering them keeping super powers out of Arrow for the time being.

I like this move give people a tease and a reason to tune into the pilot.

I can't wait to see the whole Rogues gang. I wonder if they'll go with biological powers as a kind of foil to Barry, or tech weapons. Either way, I'm interested.

QFT

I am slightly concerned that DC/WB have no idea what they are doing as far as a larger shared universe. I highly doubt they will have this kid appear in JL when that finally comes out and they seem to just be licensing shows to various networks with zero connectivity in mind. I think this, specifically, is a good move to get people curious in The Flash show without giving them everything in Arrow. It makes sense to tease him a little and then give the full reveal in The Flash.

Me sadsta...

In fact, they know exactly what they're doing because they're not mixing the TV show and movies - which is a terrible idea.

The second you do that, you immediately handcuff both TV and movies and limit what the other can do so you don't screw up continuity.

Moreover Arrow all ready has 1 full season of history that would either have to be incorporated or ignored. And vice versa for Man of Steel. We don't need people on Arrow dropping hints about the Kryptonian invasion every 5 seconds.

I don't really get why people think TV/Movie crossover is a good idea. It makes no sense from a story telling or monetary perspective.

well that makes more sense.

When Black Canary showed up with that sonic device, it pretty much showed they wasn't gonna go the superpower way.

Some pics of him in Arrow as Barry Allen.

I'll laugh my ass of if he's just the fastest kid on the track team in Central City.

@black_claw: He is still getting his origins, meaning he'll still have his powers just won't be Flash in Arrow, yet.

I feel like the origin shouldn't happen until his pilot episode and he should just be a cop in Arrow.

Oh wow I'm really not liking this. I understand this is suppose to be a younger Barry but come on. It's like take you son to work day

Would have been a GREAT Wally tbh.

Unsure about this, then again I really don't like Arrow. But on the plus side it'll give non-comic/animation fans exposure to The Flash/Barry Allen.

I am guessing, as I am sure many others have, that the particle accelerator that keeps getting mentioned in news clips during the show is what is going to trigger Barry Allens powers. I don't think they can, or will go down the technology route like they did with Black Canary.

The question remains will they continue to have the explosion (or accident) in Arrow and then have The Flash segway from that in the pilot, i.e. Oliver goes back to Starling City and the show follows him and the Flash pilot picks up with Barry? Or do they leave the explosion to the Flash pilot and have Oliver appear in it to set up the connection to the two shows?

Cool, look forward to it :)

@fallschirmjager: I actually completely agree with you. I would much prefer Arrow to remain separate from the movies but it seems I am in the minority on that opinion.

Its a bit silly to judge a guy just for how he looks. Wait and see how it plays out until you decide whether its going to be good or not.

To do so before hand is just close minded.

word.

He looks about as old as Q did. No one complained about that.

This show could be on for 10 years, guys. We can't have a Flash in his mid-40s.

Also, I've seen younger looking professionals. Maybe it's because I'm just out of undergrad. Let's see him actually act.

I also support separating Arrow from the movies. They have ruined too many concepts and characters in the DCU for my tastes.

@captain13: I don't know if ruined is the right word, but when you connect the universes you handcuff each one, preventing them from exploring concepts as they like because they have to adhere to each other's rules

True.

Ha! I've got that issue of Brave and the Bold. Great cover.

They couldn't have him dye his hair? Really? Such a simple thing to do. I just don't see Grant as Barry yet. I'll give him a shot because the Flash is my favorite but so far I am just not impressed.

@captain13 said:

I agree

O that cover is so great and hopefully they eventually do something like that.

A straight up regular pilot is a smart move and one that saves time. They were going to have to make a first episode any way, one that would likely recap whatever the plan for episode 20 was and do some more stuff but with out the budget for a pilot.

Still haven't seen anything Gunderson has done so who knows maybe he's utter crap - than again I did think Amell looked like yet another CW pretty boy (he is) but he can act. So we'll see.

I wonder what the costume will look like. His rogues as well.

Now that that there's pictures, I can totally see Grant as a young Allen.

SAVE ME BARRY!!

Well to be fair, as someone who LOVES Wonder Woman: Flash, Green Arrow, and most other heroes have easier origins than Wonder Woman. Every other hero in the GLA with the exception of Green Lantern either is out of their element (Superman away from Krypton) or has an origin based easily on the real world. On the other hand making a Wonder Woman show requires either dropping her back story (PLEASE NO!) or potentially having it come off like a bad Xena remake. Diana certainly deserves a series or movie; but it is the most difficult of all the characters.

Mixing Barry with Wally again I see. -_-