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Big Change to Flash's Role in 'Arrow' [Update]

Barry Allen will still appear, but apparently we won't see him wearing the red and yellow costume... at least not yet.

We all know Barry Allen will soon appear in CW's Arrow and will be played by Grant Gustin. Originally, the plan was to introduce and use the famous character in three episodes and have it lead into his own spinoff show. However, according to Deadline, it's looking like there's a slight change of plans. Allen will still appear in episodes eight and nine of Oliver's show, but instead of stepping into his famous costume in episode twenty, the superhero will make his proper debut in his very own pilot.

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We'll still see Barry's origin in episodes eight and nine, but it looks like they're saving his superhero debut for his own pilot. Why? Likely so it can receive more focus and room to develop. Allen's pilot is being developed by Arrow co-creators Andrew Kreisberg and Greg Berlanti as well as Geoff Johns and David Nutter. According to Deadline, it's currently unclear whether episode twenty will still incorporate Allen. As for how the Central City character will end up in Oliver's world, it turns out Allen will travel to Starling City to investigate some unexplained robberies which could have a link to his past.

Do you think this is wise move on their part, Viners? Let us know below.

Source: Deadline

Update

The CW has released an image of Grant Gustin as Barry Allen from the December 4 episode, "The Scientist."

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Here's the official synopsis:

A seemingly impossible robbery at Queen Consolidated's Applied Sciences Division brings Central City police scientist Barry Allen (guest star Grant Gustin) to town. Citing a similar case back home, Barry offers to help Oliver (Stephen Amell) and team with the investigation. Oliver senses there is more to Barry than meets the eye, but he's distracted by the similarities between this current case and something that happened on the island. Meanwhile, Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) takes a liking to Barry, which doesn't go unnoticed by Oliver. Sin (guest star Bex Taylor-Klaus) asks Roy (Colton Haynes) for help when a friend of hers goes missing. Roy is surprised when Thea (Willa Holland) not only encourages him to help, but joins the search. Unfortunately, Sin's friend is connected to Brother Blood (guest star Kevin Alejandro), and their search ultimately gets one of them seriously injured.

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So Barry is like what,15?

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Cool!

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Nice! I hope they introduce Hal in Wally's series.

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So powers do exist here?

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@dbatdog said:

Nice! I hope they introduce Hal in Wally's series.

Hal may pop by, but I doubt Green Lantern would.

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@captain13 said:

I also support separating Arrow from the movies. They have ruined too many concepts and characters in the DCU for my tastes.

Agree with this completely. I just don't see DC/WB putting them together especially since they've placed the DC shows on a smaller network as opposed to CBS or even HBO.

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Pretty sound idea to me, it gives a chance to see how people react to him, try to get a bit of a following and offer some hype.

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@protoflash: Agreed Im only watching this show still for Barry's appearence if they mess up on it I will be severely pissed.

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I really hope he has super speed

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So they let 16 year olds onto the police force now?

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He looks like a tall 11 year old

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I suppose this shift shows that the network must have confidence in the possibility of The Flash show.

Like most people I am still not completely sold on Grant playing Barry Allen, but I am willing to keep my mind opening and see how he performs before I really judge.

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this worries me for the arrow show cause this means they are re-writing that episode to take barry out but hopefully it will be for the better cause you dont want him to outshine the main cast in anyway

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@dernman: powers are still going to appear in arrow the just change episode 20 from a back door pilot into a actually pilot

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lol Barry looks so young. But I'm staying optimistic. I'm excited for the Flash to get his own show!!

But I'm not sure if I want all of this to connect to the DC Cinematic Universe...

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@theblackhood:

that's the problem, so many people think she is so difficult to do but she isnt. what is so complex or difficult about her origin? "amazon queen makes a baby out of clay and pray to her gods who answer her prayer and gives it life." simple pimple. now depending on which origin you go with (i prefer george perez) she is either just another amazon OR she is gifted by each goddess of olympus with a different ability (like sleeping beauty minus maleficent). the difficult part is getting people to get pass their prejudices of wonder woman and giving her the shot she deserves

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@theblackhood:

that's the problem, so many people think she is so difficult to do but she isnt. what is so complex or difficult about her origin? "amazon queen makes a baby out of clay and pray to her gods who answer her prayer and gives it life." simple pimple. now depending on which origin you go with (i prefer george perez) she is either just another amazon OR she is gifted by each goddess of olympus with a different ability (like sleeping beauty minus maleficent). the difficult part is getting people to get pass their prejudices of wonder woman and giving her the shot she deserves

I hope it isn't the case of prejudice, but perhaps I'm naive. I think its more complex because the gods and Amazons are such a foreign idea and such a large part of her narrative that it makes the production of the film difficult without coming off cheesy. I mean, consider what they did to Thor in the movies. Marvel decided not to even make him a god, and instead resorted to him being some kind of high tech alien. Add to that the fact that while both Thor movies have made good money, they tend to be the least loved of the Marvel movies. I hope that DC's slowness to make a film for Diana means that want to ensure she gets the perfect treatment. Perhaps you're right about the prejudice, but I hope I'm write about the extra care they're taking. None of us want another Green Lantern.

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Has david nutter been affiliated with arrow? Just seeing his name brings so much experience and class that gives me so much faith that it'll be fine.

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one word: DEMOGRAPHICS

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I actually thought this would be terrible...but it looks ok. All we have to do now is see him act.

for some reason i always thought of Barry Allen as a it wooden...

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@theblackhood:

sorry that seems to be the same excuse everyone uses.

They made a Thor movie..fuck they made 2! They made a howard the duck movie ages ago! It can be done

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I think he can pull it off. If he nails the acting part, then everything else will fall into place.

And yeah, I'd love to see what the Rogues look like on this show.

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barry allen looks like a weak skinny punk ...hes all wrong

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i still would have preferred a flash movie over a series.
Its hard to dedicate time to tv shows. And i end up just stop watching it then....


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Yes, I think this is a smart move.
More than the no powers in Arrow thing, if Flash's getting his own series, it should have the superhero debut right there and not a "check out episode blah of that other show" thing.
Also, if they do the origin right it could be awesome, and I really think they should bring Johns to help produce that flash origin episode of Arrow.
Remember Smallville? Not everyone liked it, but the 2 episodes Johns wrote were just amazing.

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Still can't believe Flash is getting a TV show and a movie whilst Wonder Woman....

Wonder Woman is probably the most famous feminist icon, even outside of comics. Barry isn't. If they ruin Barry's show, it won't be as much of a big deal.

I just hope that when they finally do produce a movie that they used their time wisely, because I think they've taken long enough, especially since the Justice League movie comes out in 2017. I can't imagine Diana not being there. Who knows, maybe that'll be their jumping off point with her.

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Here's what's going to happen: Barry won't have super speed. He'll have the nickname "Flash" somehow (akin to Oliver's sister being called "Speedy") - "woah, slow down there Flash - - what's your hurry?" He will have a super fast mind however and be able to solve crimes super fast - - usually between 41-43 minutes. Also, he'll usually be seen with maybe a yellow t-shirt and a red jacket of some sort and maybe other days he'll change to a red t-shirt and yellow jacket (naw, that'll be his "reverse Flash" arch nemesis over in the other precinct!). Captain Cold will be his actual police captain, the Weather Wizard will be the local weather guy on Channel 86, and the Trickster will be some minor comic-relief annoyance - - some guy tooling around on a skateboard and being all emo and stuff. Why, this show practically writes itself! LOL!

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Was really hoping this was going to be about a casting change. But hey..can't knock him till you see what he's got I guess. Never would think you'd cast someone from Glee to be a superhero but than again the Flash is one of the more flamboyant characters.

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I'm sick of the particle accellerator mentions on Arrow. We got it the first time... you're teasing Flash. Just move on

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The Flash on TV again. Good times.

Can't wait for it.

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@hamlet33 said:

Once again, they manage to exclude super powers from the Arrow world. Whatever. Still a great show and only a minor change. Still don't think Grant Gustin should play Barry though...

agreed.

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In the extended promo for Barrys debut episode it showed him being hit by lightning then falling into chemicals. I thought he wasnt getting his powers yet.

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Still can't believe Flash is getting a TV show and a movie whilst Wonder Woman....

Why? And Flash hasn't been confirmed for a movie yet.

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lol Barry looks so young. But I'm staying optimistic. I'm excited for the Flash to get his own show!!

But I'm not sure if I want all of this to connect to the DC Cinematic Universe...

I think I read that they confirmed Arrow would not connect with the Cinematic Universe.

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@batmannflash said:

lol Barry looks so young. But I'm staying optimistic. I'm excited for the Flash to get his own show!!

But I'm not sure if I want all of this to connect to the DC Cinematic Universe...

I think I read that they confirmed Arrow would not connect with the Cinematic Universe.

And either this version of The Flash. I think DC is creating a Multi-media universe not a shared one.

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