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Big Change to Flash's Role in 'Arrow' [Update]

Barry Allen will still appear, but apparently we won't see him wearing the red and yellow costume... at least not yet.

We all know Barry Allen will soon appear in CW's Arrow and will be played by Grant Gustin. Originally, the plan was to introduce and use the famous character in three episodes and have it lead into his own spinoff show. However, according to Deadline, it's looking like there's a slight change of plans. Allen will still appear in episodes eight and nine of Oliver's show, but instead of stepping into his famous costume in episode twenty, the superhero will make his proper debut in his very own pilot.

We'll still see Barry's origin in episodes eight and nine, but it looks like they're saving his superhero debut for his own pilot. Why? Likely so it can receive more focus and room to develop. Allen's pilot is being developed by Arrow co-creators Andrew Kreisberg and Greg Berlanti as well as Geoff Johns and David Nutter. According to Deadline, it's currently unclear whether episode twenty will still incorporate Allen. As for how the Central City character will end up in Oliver's world, it turns out Allen will travel to Starling City to investigate some unexplained robberies which could have a link to his past.

Do you think this is wise move on their part, Viners? Let us know below.

Source: Deadline

Update

The CW has released an image of Grant Gustin as Barry Allen from the December 4 episode, "The Scientist."

Here's the official synopsis:

A seemingly impossible robbery at Queen Consolidated's Applied Sciences Division brings Central City police scientist Barry Allen (guest star Grant Gustin) to town. Citing a similar case back home, Barry offers to help Oliver (Stephen Amell) and team with the investigation. Oliver senses there is more to Barry than meets the eye, but he's distracted by the similarities between this current case and something that happened on the island. Meanwhile, Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) takes a liking to Barry, which doesn't go unnoticed by Oliver. Sin (guest star Bex Taylor-Klaus) asks Roy (Colton Haynes) for help when a friend of hers goes missing. Roy is surprised when Thea (Willa Holland) not only encourages him to help, but joins the search. Unfortunately, Sin's friend is connected to Brother Blood (guest star Kevin Alejandro), and their search ultimately gets one of them seriously injured.

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Posted by TheCheeseStabber

YES!

I cant wait to see Captain Cold <3333

Posted by hamlet33

Once again, they manage to exclude super powers from the Arrow world. Whatever. Still a great show and only a minor change. Still don't think Grant Gustin should play Barry though...

Posted by Fallschirmjager

I like it.

It shows they have great confidence in their story, their cast and their direction. And that bodes well.

Posted by Black_Claw

@hamlet33 said:

Once again, they manage to exclude super powers from the Arrow world. Whatever. Still a great show and only a minor change. Still don't think Grant Gustin should play Barry though...

You never know. He could end up being great.

Posted by mark15

they'll definitely get all those viewers curious about the costume to jump over from Arrow, i'm just happy things with DC are finally expanding

Edited by hamlet33

@hamlet33 said:

Once again, they manage to exclude super powers from the Arrow world. Whatever. Still a great show and only a minor change. Still don't think Grant Gustin should play Barry though...

You never know. He could end up being great.

Well see. I havent really seen anything he's been in, but he looks pretty young to be playing Barry

Posted by daredevil21134

Good move

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Edited by Captain13

That is a good sign of faith in what they have seen from Grant. All this talk about Johns and his love of Cyborg on the other thread related to Johns make me wonder if Vic will be the Chloe Sullivan or Green Arrow (Bandit) on this show. S.T.A.R. Labs could help build a cosmic treadmill... They could even develop Flash's costume. I am looking forward to this show to see what the creators can pull off.

Maybe Nightwing will pop up if he is indeed showing up on Arrow. If time travel is used, maybe we will see Max Mercury, XS, Booster Gold, Rip Hunter, Goldstar, or Jay Garrick from another universe.

Posted by queenfrost_

Still can't believe Flash is getting a TV show and a movie whilst Wonder Woman....

Posted by Dernman

This was a good decision. I didn't like them bringing powers to Arrow.

Posted by sentryman555

I actually really like this idea. I'm still behind on Arrow so I'd hate to have to watch Flash's origin in Arrow to catch up on his story in his own show.

Posted by Fallschirmjager

@dernman said:

This was a good decision. I didn't like them bringing powers to Arrow.

Its still going to be in the same universe. Barry is showing up in Arrow. They are just giving him a proper pilot instead of a back door one.

I'm positive they'll do crossover episodes if both TV shows are concurrent for any length of time.

Still can't believe Flash is getting a TV show and a movie whilst Wonder Woman....

They have a problem with the whole female thing. Probably lasting backlash from Elektra and Catwoman.

Not saying its right, but it just is.

Who knows, maybe they'll drop a WW movie announcement sometime next year

Posted by MaccyD

@queenfrost_: Whatever happened to that 'Amazon' show CW was making?

Edited by Protoflash

God if they try and make it to where barry doesn't have super speed but instead he's just "super duper fast" or something stupid like that, all my hope will be lost for anything that arrow puts out in the future. There are only so many characters in the dcu that can be changed to not have superpowers

Posted by Fallschirmjager

@maccyd said:

@queenfrost_: Whatever happened to that 'Amazon' show CW was making?

According to this (and I'm not saying its 100% true), the pilot is pushed back to 2014. They're being careful because the NBC WW pilot was garbage.

Edited by Dernman

@fallschirmjager: Might be same universe but by getting his powers in his own Pilot it's easier to look at it as separate universes for those who don't want to mix. There are ways to do a good crossover without bringing those powers to the GA show and that is only if they do one.

Posted by AllStarSuperman

God if they try and make it to where barry doesn't have super speed but instead he's just "super duper fast" or something stupid like that, all my hope will be lost for anything that arrow puts out in the future. There are only so many characters in the dcu that can be changed to not have superpowers

@mark15 said:

they'll definitely get all those viewers curious about the costume to jump over from Arrow, i'm just happy things with DC are finally expanding

these^

Posted by The Mighty Monarch

Oh. I thought this was how it was going to be from the start considering them keeping super powers out of Arrow for the time being.

Edited by BR_Havoc

I like this move give people a tease and a reason to tune into the pilot.

Posted by RaggedScarecrow

YES!

I cant wait to see Captain Cold <3333

I can't wait to see the whole Rogues gang. I wonder if they'll go with biological powers as a kind of foil to Barry, or tech weapons. Either way, I'm interested.

Edited by StMichalofWilson

@mark15 said:

they'll definitely get all those viewers curious about the costume to jump over from Arrow, i'm just happy things with DC are finally expanding

QFT

Edited by SynCig

I am slightly concerned that DC/WB have no idea what they are doing as far as a larger shared universe. I highly doubt they will have this kid appear in JL when that finally comes out and they seem to just be licensing shows to various networks with zero connectivity in mind. I think this, specifically, is a good move to get people curious in The Flash show without giving them everything in Arrow. It makes sense to tease him a little and then give the full reveal in The Flash.

Edited by Deranged Midget

Me sadsta...

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Edited by Fallschirmjager

@syncig said:

I am slightly concerned that DC/WB have no idea what they are doing as far as a larger shared universe. I highly doubt they will have this kid appear in JL when that finally comes out and they seem to just be licensing shows to various networks with zero connectivity in mind. I think this, specifically, is a good move to get people curious in The Flash show without giving them everything in Arrow. It makes sense to tease him a little and then give the full reveal in The Flash.

In fact, they know exactly what they're doing because they're not mixing the TV show and movies - which is a terrible idea.

The second you do that, you immediately handcuff both TV and movies and limit what the other can do so you don't screw up continuity.

Moreover Arrow all ready has 1 full season of history that would either have to be incorporated or ignored. And vice versa for Man of Steel. We don't need people on Arrow dropping hints about the Kryptonian invasion every 5 seconds.

I don't really get why people think TV/Movie crossover is a good idea. It makes no sense from a story telling or monetary perspective.

Posted by MadeinBangladesh

well that makes more sense.

Edited by patrat18

When Black Canary showed up with that sonic device, it pretty much showed they wasn't gonna go the superpower way.

Posted by patrat18

Some pics of him in Arrow as Barry Allen.

Posted by JeanRalphio

God if they try and make it to where barry doesn't have super speed but instead he's just "super duper fast" or something stupid like that, all my hope will be lost for anything that arrow puts out in the future. There are only so many characters in the dcu that can be changed to not have superpowers

I'll laugh my ass of if he's just the fastest kid on the track team in Central City.

Posted by jdillander

@black_claw: He is still getting his origins, meaning he'll still have his powers just won't be Flash in Arrow, yet.

Posted by Phantim555

I feel like the origin shouldn't happen until his pilot episode and he should just be a cop in Arrow.

Posted by Dernman

The Scientist

Oh wow I'm really not liking this. I understand this is suppose to be a younger Barry but come on. It's like take you son to work day

Posted by JeanRalphio

@dernman said:

Oh wow I'm really not liking this. I understand this is suppose to be a younger Barry but come on. It's like take you son to work day

Would have been a GREAT Wally tbh.

Posted by LyraFay

Unsure about this, then again I really don't like Arrow. But on the plus side it'll give non-comic/animation fans exposure to The Flash/Barry Allen.

Posted by fletcher78

I am guessing, as I am sure many others have, that the particle accelerator that keeps getting mentioned in news clips during the show is what is going to trigger Barry Allens powers. I don't think they can, or will go down the technology route like they did with Black Canary.

The question remains will they continue to have the explosion (or accident) in Arrow and then have The Flash segway from that in the pilot, i.e. Oliver goes back to Starling City and the show follows him and the Flash pilot picks up with Barry? Or do they leave the explosion to the Flash pilot and have Oliver appear in it to set up the connection to the two shows?

Edited by Vaeternus

Cool, look forward to it :)

Posted by SynCig

@fallschirmjager: I actually completely agree with you. I would much prefer Arrow to remain separate from the movies but it seems I am in the minority on that opinion.

Posted by Justthatkid

@patrat18 said:

Some pics of him in Arrow as Barry Allen.

God this show and hair colors.......

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Posted by Fallschirmjager


Its a bit silly to judge a guy just for how he looks. Wait and see how it plays out until you decide whether its going to be good or not.

To do so before hand is just close minded.

@syncig said:

@fallschirmjager: I actually completely agree with you. I would much prefer Arrow to remain separate from the movies but it seems I am in the minority on that opinion.

word.

Posted by Captain13

He looks about as old as Q did. No one complained about that.

This show could be on for 10 years, guys. We can't have a Flash in his mid-40s.

Also, I've seen younger looking professionals. Maybe it's because I'm just out of undergrad. Let's see him actually act.

Edited by Captain13

I also support separating Arrow from the movies. They have ruined too many concepts and characters in the DCU for my tastes.

Posted by Fallschirmjager

@captain13: I don't know if ruined is the right word, but when you connect the universes you handcuff each one, preventing them from exploring concepts as they like because they have to adhere to each other's rules

Posted by Captain13

@captain13: I don't know if ruined is the right word, but when you connect the universes you handcuff each one, preventing them from exploring concepts as they like because they have to adhere to each other's rules

True.

Posted by longbowhunter

Ha! I've got that issue of Brave and the Bold. Great cover.

Posted by Mbecks14

They couldn't have him dye his hair? Really? Such a simple thing to do. I just don't see Grant as Barry yet. I'll give him a shot because the Flash is my favorite but so far I am just not impressed.

Posted by Mbecks14

@captain13 said:

I also support separating Arrow from the movies. They have ruined too many concepts and characters in the DCU for my tastes.

I agree

Posted by MrMazz

O that cover is so great and hopefully they eventually do something like that.

A straight up regular pilot is a smart move and one that saves time. They were going to have to make a first episode any way, one that would likely recap whatever the plan for episode 20 was and do some more stuff but with out the budget for a pilot.

Still haven't seen anything Gunderson has done so who knows maybe he's utter crap - than again I did think Amell looked like yet another CW pretty boy (he is) but he can act. So we'll see.

Edited by Marionettegeist

I wonder what the costume will look like. His rogues as well.

Posted by The Stegman

Now that that there's pictures, I can totally see Grant as a young Allen.

SAVE ME BARRY!!

Posted by TheBlackHood

@dernman said:

This was a good decision. I didn't like them bringing powers to Arrow.

Its still going to be in the same universe. Barry is showing up in Arrow. They are just giving him a proper pilot instead of a back door one.

I'm positive they'll do crossover episodes if both TV shows are concurrent for any length of time.

@queenfrost_ said:

Still can't believe Flash is getting a TV show and a movie whilst Wonder Woman....

They have a problem with the whole female thing. Probably lasting backlash from Elektra and Catwoman.

Not saying its right, but it just is.

Who knows, maybe they'll drop a WW movie announcement sometime next year

Well to be fair, as someone who LOVES Wonder Woman: Flash, Green Arrow, and most other heroes have easier origins than Wonder Woman. Every other hero in the GLA with the exception of Green Lantern either is out of their element (Superman away from Krypton) or has an origin based easily on the real world. On the other hand making a Wonder Woman show requires either dropping her back story (PLEASE NO!) or potentially having it come off like a bad Xena remake. Diana certainly deserves a series or movie; but it is the most difficult of all the characters.

Edited by Smart_Dork_Dude

Mixing Barry with Wally again I see. -_-

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