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Best Battles in New Comics: 5/30/14

Check out awesome action scenes from the latest issues of NIGHTWING, UNCANNY AVENGERS, and AQUAMAN.

It's once again time to celebrate the latest round of excellent action scenes! This week, we're featuring two battles from DC Comics and one from Marvel. First up, we'll watch two very popular heroes have a ridiculously rough sparring match. After that, we'll check out one big dose of craziness involving several mutants from different timelines. And, last but not least, we'll witness a clash between two incredibly powerful characters.

"Hey, why isn't a battle I love being highlighted and/or listed in the honorable mentions? What gives?!" It's possible we didn't read that issue (A LOT come out each week, after all), or we didn't dig it as much. So, be sure to make suggestions in the official Best Battles Discussion Thread from now on to put this stuff on our radar. We review that before writing this weekly feature and do our best to get our hands on the issues suggested.

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NIGHTWING #30

In the unlikely event you haven't finished Forever Evil yet and don't want a spoiler from its finale, I strongly recommend skipping over this highlight. Seriously, go to the next fight and then come back when you've finally caught-up.

DC's latest big event dealt Dick Grayson a really harsh hand. The world now knows who he really is and the Crime Syndicate tortured him and turned him into a weapon. To prevent the weapon from going off, Lex Luthor had to kill Dick Grayson... right in front of Batman, too. Luckily for him, Luthor was thinking ahead (when isn't he?) and was able to revive Grayson shortly afterwards. Now, not many know Dick Grayson is still alive, so Batman thinks they should use this to their advantage. Yes, this is the issue that shows the first Robin's transition to becoming a spy and Batman presents the idea during a sparring match. Naturally, Grayson's not a fan of the plan and melee gets very brutal very quickly

Batman's elbow is so powerful that it produces lightning. Take THAT, Storm.
Batman's elbow is so powerful that it produces lightning. Take THAT, Storm.

Believe it or not, Bruce elbowing Grayson in the jaw is nothing compared to what follows. This fight gets ridiculously out of hand right away. Grayson's smashed into the case displaying the Robin costume and then Dick uses the cape from said outfit to flip Bruce. As if things couldn't get any crazier, the two then begin to throw random items at one another and end up duking it out on the T-Rex's head. The duo proceed to pummel each other even more and show no concern whatsoever to all of the expensive and high tech goodies that are located throughout the cave.

Not even Batman's bike can withstand the bat kick.
Not even Batman's bike can withstand the bat kick.

This is quite possibly the most over the top street level fight in this week's new comics. Sure, the two are having an understandably heated chat and it's a way to get Grayson to vent, but man, they absolutely demolish the place. You saw him chop a bike in half with a kick, right?! The "well that escalated quickly" line from Anchorman is a very fitting response to this fight. What's especially crazy is the brawl isn't even close to over! As if all of those smashes and strikes weren't enough, the two then take a huge fall right and crash right onto a Batmobile.

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE VEHICLES?!
WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE VEHICLES?!

Even though they're both covered in cuts and soaked in blood, the fight continues and several more vicious hits are landed. We all know the path Dick Grayson is about to take in his new series, but is he able to win this violent sparring match with his mentor in this issue? We may be left with very mixed opinions on the narrative and dialogue, but that was an absurdly savage fight.

UNCANNY AVENGERS #20

Rick Remender and Daniel Acuna's latest issue of UNCANNY AVENGERS is packed with so much madness. Characters from different timelines are on Planet X and they're about to engage in a whole lot of battles. First up, it's Psylocke vs. Psylocke! Remember the version of her we saw back in UNCANNY X-FORCE? You know, Magistrate Braddock? Of course you remember, that run was excellent, after all. She's about to learn firsthand why another version of herself is far more awesome than she is.

Psylocke vs. Psylocke? Psylocke wins, obviously.
Psylocke vs. Psylocke? Psylocke wins, obviously.

Elsewhere, other groups begin to bump into one another. As you can imagine, an unplanned and unfriendly encounter between such powerful individuals is going to result in even more chaos. This is good news for us, the readers, and really, really bad news for quite a few of these fictional beings. Cable is one of the people that'll receive not so good news when he encounters Stryfe. Meanwhile, Beast attempts to take on Magneto's forces all by his lonesome. Hank McCoy puts his agility to good use, but sadly, the odds aren't in his favor.

Stop ruining the fun, Lady Avalanche!
Stop ruining the fun, Lady Avalanche!

As some major drama goes down between other characters (we'd prefer not to spoil the big developments in this feature), Remender chimes in on Thor, Eimin, Daken, and May Parker. Yeah, he's packed a lot of characters into this storyline, but he's a talented writer and juggles them well. The Son of Odin makes quick work and Eimin and the alternate wall-crawler humiliates Daken, but the clawed villain just doesn't know how to stay down. It's not long before Daken gets back up and attempts to dispose of Kang, but Daken's father, Wolverine, cuts right in (sorry, the terrible pun was intentional).

They should really consider family therapy.
They should really consider family therapy.

Is Wolverine forced into killing his son a second time? James Howlett has had a life full of terrible events, but experiencing that all over again would certainly leave a mark on his psyche. So, does Remender put Logan through the horrific act of dispatching his child once more? Will we spoil it here for you? Of course not! Keep in mind, this recap is barely scratching the surface of what's going on in this issue!

AQUAMAN #31

The oceans have been filled with algae, and Arthur Curry aka Aquaman thinks only one being could be behind this: Alec Holland aka Swamp Thing. Along with Ya'wara, Curry uses the Globe of Teleportation to travel to the Terrebonne Parish in Louisiana. It turns out he's not the only one looking for the Avatar of the Green, though. Two men attempting to prove the existence of the "Swamp Ape" are on the hunt as well. They definitely got what they were looking for because Holland approaches them and tells them to leave. Aquaman sees this and believes Swamp Thing is going to attack the two humans, so he leaps into action. Misunderstandings always lead to good people fighting one another, don't they? Anyway, it's time for the King of Atlantis vs. the Avatar of the Green!

Aquaman gets a face full of green fist... or whatever that is.
Aquaman gets a face full of green fist... or whatever that is.

Despite Aquaman's great strength (seriously, he has some crazy strength feats in this series), Swamp Thing is able to swiftly restrain him. As the Justice Leaguer struggles to break free from the plants constricting him, Holland bluntly points out just how outclassed Aquaman truly is in this struggle. Yes, the hero may be mighty and have command of sea aquatic life, but when you're facing the Avatar of Plant Life in a marshland, it's a fight you're just not going to win. But Ya'wara didn't get that memo and she leaps into action with her blades. It's a valiant effort, but totally futile.

A for effort, Ya'wara.
A for effort, Ya'wara.

They've established they can't do meaningful damage to Holland through stabbing, slashing, and sheer strength. Both are now restrained, so what options do they have left? Sure, they could just talk it out at this point, but that would be too pragmatic and, well, not nearly as exciting as them continuing to battle. So instead of chatting it out, Aqauman communicates with the local wildlife and commands them to enjoy a big ol' organic snack.

"Aquatic reptiles, I choose you!"

If you know even the basics about Swamp Thing's abilities, then you know something like this won't keep the powerful creature down for the count. The fight is nearing its end, but it's not over just yet! If you want to see how it all concludes, you should get your hands on Jeff Parker's issue.

Honorable Mentions

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What are your top three fights from this latest round of new comics? Also, don't forget to make nominations every week in the official thread or tell us via Twitter. See you next Friday and have a good weekend!

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@risingbean: So? It's not the only time peak-humans/low-end superhumans accomplish such feats, I have seen people constantly cite Ultimate Captain America ''fighting Hulk'' (he didn't but....) or one-shotting some powerhouse and then acting like it's 'awesome'.

All peak-humans can accomplish similar feats in comic-books.

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@fallschirmjager: @w0nd:

Here are some facts on the batman roundhouse kick

Batman can roundhouse kick u in the face. With both legs. Simultaneously.

Batmans roundhouse kicks have the ability to knock the stupid out of a person. Along with everything else

The question mark (?) Was invented When a scientist tried to measure the speed of a batman round house kick

Batman once roundhouse kicked hulk in the face. He know hides in the woods and calls himself shrek

The reason atlantis is on the bottom of the ocean is because of a batman roundhouse kick demonstration

Obamacare doesnt cover batman roundhouse kicks to the face. No one would survive anyway

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@jeremy1989: batman is not a human being anymore. how can a human being destroy bikes with a kick? how can he fall from great height and still survive? the fight between both of them is way to stupid. that's why i don't read batman's comic. captain america is even better, he more than capable to do what batman does. like falling from great height, and all that stuff. after all he fought the hulk one on one, but loose.

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@dark_vengeance_: Lady Shiva, Nightwing, Connor Hawke, Cassie Cain, and Green Arrow are all human's who are within a stones throw based on logic. Unless Bruce is juicing up there isn't much a 220 pound guy can do that they are too far behind on, weight and gender taken into account. Granted he may be stronger (but it shouldn't seem like they are human and him the Terminator) and his punching power may be a bit ahead, but none are more then mortal (though I think Cassie was eventually revealed to be meta.)

Batman has one of about four logical cases to be made for him. 1. He somehow can channel that desperate mother strength that a woman uses to leverage a car off of her kid and he can channel it at will. 2. He is juicing. 3. He is a meta. 4. His armor enhances his stats. (only problem with the last is that he does this out of armor too.)

The logic issue (and I'll use the example above) is that the Batmobile is generally made up of armor that deflects bazookas and bombs and whatnot, right? There is no way Bruce is drop kicking Dick through it unless 1. The material is compromised from past attacks and chose now to give, 2. the materials are substandard, 3 Bruce isn't human or 4 Reality is much like it exists in the Loony Toons universe. Laws of nature are not constant. Why are two men falling on it from a nonlethal height buckling it likes it's a Ford Taurus?

As for Cap learning stealth is a skill a writer could give him over a arc or two. Have Wolverine or Panther or Daredevil give him some training. It's much less a stretch then human sinking the Batboat by punching it. Batman is human. I read his stuff because I enjoy reading about humans. When I'm seeing stuff like this it just screws with my sense of disbelief and makes it harder to get into the story.

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Nightwing is seen keeping up with Batman in the battle above. Shiva and Cass are not stronger than Bruce but they are arguably faster and agile. Connor and Arrow and are not on Batman's physical level or have the training that he does, at least Arrow doesn't, not too sure about Connor. You have to take into account that Batman knows where to hit.

If I had to give you a logical answer I would tell you 1 and 4 to explain how he does the things he does.

I could make an argument that Bruce knows the weak points of the bat mobile but I'll give you that one but just one move doesn't make the entire fight PIS, only that segment and I stand by the feat of Bruce splitting the motorcycle in half since he has performed such feats over and over again like splitting a tree in half with ease in year one.

For me to buy Cap sneaking behind DD through stealth alone his feats would have to be consistent. Otherwise I would have a hard time seeing that happen.

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Deadly Class had a great fight. Simple compared to the others on the list, but the writing and art plus the character's drug state made it seem incredibly tense.

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@mogo1 said:

@fallschirmjager: @w0nd:

Here are some facts on the batman roundhouse kick

Batman can roundhouse kick u in the face. With both legs. Simultaneously.

Batmans roundhouse kicks have the ability to knock the stupid out of a person. Along with everything else

The question mark (?) Was invented When a scientist tried to measure the speed of a batman round house kick

Batman once roundhouse kicked hulk in the face. He know hides in the woods and calls himself shrek

The reason atlantis is on the bottom of the ocean is because of a batman roundhouse kick demonstration

Obamacare doesnt cover batman roundhouse kicks to the face. No one would survive anyway

Chuck Norris called. He wants his list back.

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@frozen said:

@risingbean: So? It's not the only time peak-humans/low-end superhumans accomplish such feats, I have seen people constantly cite Ultimate Captain America ''fighting Hulk'' (he didn't but....) or one-shotting some powerhouse and then acting like it's 'awesome'.

All peak-humans can accomplish similar feats in comic-books.

Cap's superhuman. Super Soldier Serum, anyone?

Ultimate Cap is much higher up the totem pole, and Ultimate Hulk (particularly in that first arc) isn't 616 level. Cap basically blitzed an attack that consisted of low blows, shield smashes and a foot sweep. A page or so later Hulk tossed him through a car. Was it awesome? Yes. Was it consistent with what Ult Cap can do? You betcha.

The problem I have with Batman is twofold. 1. He's human. 2. He's inconsistent. He should be one shotting everybody if he can actually pull off feats like breaking through the Batmobile. so this incongruity just makes him inconsistent on the whole.

As for the Batfans who want to pull out the "He broke the Batmobile he must beat character X" argument on the boards, we then have to look at what happens when he hits bad guy Y from his books and when a punch does nothing more then bloody the bad guys lip....Well draw your own conclusions.

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@lone_wolf_and_cub: when the boogeyman goes to sleep he checks for Chuck Norris under his bed. when Chuck Norris goes to sleep he checks for Batman under his bed

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@colanicole said:

Why did Batman keep his cowl on? And the fight looks way too stupid.

It's a Batman comic, what do you expect? They exaggerate so much that you forget they're "human" characters.

Aquaman getting humbled by Swamp Thing was awesome.

That Batfight was dumb as hell.

Why's Batman sparring with his mask on shirtless? He kicked a bike in half, WTF? ( Batboys probably fapped to that ridiculousness)

They fall on to the roof of the Batmobile and it BREAKS?!? It's the Batmobile not a f'n Kia! Too much for me.

These may be the most stupidly ignorant comments I have ever seen.

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It's nice to see some reaffirmation of the fact that the people who complain about Batman are the people who don't read Batman.

QFT

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@risingbean: Cap is not superhuman. He is enhanced to the peak of human potential. Batman has other striking feats, he probably holds back against humans so he won't kill them.

That's like saying superman is inconsistent for not punching everyone's head off all the time just because he can.

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@darthaznable: I was half expecting to come here and see his fight with the two lions but I'll take him kicking a bike in half and whooping on Nightwing too. And yes the Batman haters have already started as expected.

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@jayc1324 said:

@risingbean: Cap is not superhuman. He is enhanced to the peak of human potential. Batman has other striking feats, he probably holds back against humans so he won't kill them.

That's like saying superman is inconsistent for not punching everyone's head off all the time just because he can.

He is superhuman. The peak of human potential is essentially a genetic perfection humans haven't attained yet.

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So..... Batman kicks down trees and cracks bazooka proof glass and people complain when he kicks a bike in half?

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Nnnaananaanan, Batman!

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@lone_wolf_and_cub: when the boogeyman goes to sleep he checks for Chuck Norris under his bed. when Chuck Norris goes to sleep he checks for Batman under his bed

But when Batman goes to sleep he prays to Bruce Lee.

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@wolverine08: But the peak of human potential is still human. Its not like superman level strength which humans can't ever acheive. It's just a strength level humans haven't got to yet, but still within the human limit. Tell me if my logic is flawed, but that makes sense to me.

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@risingbean: just so ya know Rising, I agree 100% with ya. Others will try to argue against it, but it is inconsistent as all get out.

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@luciustheeternal: Yup. I've long found it amusing a guy whose main foes (among others) are a clown and a dude who shoots ice and has a glaring weakness to anything warmer then subzero temperatures give him so much grief, yet "with just a bit of prep" Superman, Luthor, whomever is expected to roll over in defeat. I really like Batman, not a fan of the inconsistency.

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@risingbean: Cap is not superhuman. He is enhanced to the peak of human potential. Batman has other striking feats, he probably holds back against humans so he won't kill them.

That's like saying superman is inconsistent for not punching everyone's head off all the time just because he can.

He is superhuman. The peak of human potential is essentially a genetic perfection humans haven't attained yet.

Bingo. If you can't get it by lots of exercise and natural means, its superhuman. And if people used half an ounce of logic, why would the G use the resources to make a serum that made guys only as strong as bodybuilders? Why not just have soldiers work out harder? I guess common sense must cost more per ounce then gold, seeing how little I find around this site some days.

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So..... Batman kicks down trees and cracks bazooka proof glass and people complain when he kicks a bike in half?

To be fair I rolled my eyes at that Batwanking too. If anything it's easier to explain that craftsmanship in the DCU is subpar then to explain how Bruce breaks that stuff. Of course fanboys have the mantra "He's Batman" and I guess that logic is infallible.

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I know this part of Uncanny Avengers wasn't listed in the article, but anyone else think it was bullshit how Magneto killed Stryfe?

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@risingbean: Read post 68 in response to saying cap is superhuman. Like I said to wolverine08, tell me if what I'm saying is wrong because that makes sense to me.

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@jayc1324 said:

@darthaznable: I was half expecting to come here and see his fight with the two lions but I'll take him kicking a bike in half and whooping on Nightwing too. And yes the Batman haters have already started as expected.

He was hardly whooping on nightwing...They were both pretty messed up afterwards.

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@jashro44: We never saw dick hit Bruce. We just saw him on top of him at one point. Bruce was clearly winning. Dick also got kicked through a motorcycle... Yeah batman whooped him.

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Karate Kid is just as human as Batman but his ridiculousness is achieved by pure skill only

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Nightwing was great but, honestly, the New Zero Year Batman should have been included as well....He fought two Lions, man....Lions.....

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@jashro44: We never saw dick hit Bruce. We just saw him on top of him at one point. Bruce was clearly winning. Dick also got kicked through a motorcycle... Yeah batman whooped him.

Dick getting kicked through a motor cycle doesn't matter. Its not like it stopped him. And Dick got multiple hits on Bruce, did you even read the issue?

Right to left.

They were both incredibly bloody. Batman landed a couple of more hits in but he was not dominating.

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@jayc1324: It's evolution. Maybe in the future man will be able to breathe underwater because the ice caps melt and it's a common trait. You find a guy who can breathe underwater now? It's superhuman.

By that peak of potential argument, what about mutants? Is there nothing super about them. Someday we'll all be shooting lasers and using TK to fly. Nothing super about it. Just because all of mankind can't do it, doesn't mean mutants have special powers, right?

Well I'd say thats wrong. Because only a sliver of mankind can do something in excess of what the baseline can do, it's superhuman.

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@jashro44: I can see that they were incredibly bloody. Not blind. Are you kidding? It does matter! It was awesome! If you get kicked through a motorcycle I would say that's pretty embarrassing. Also it looks like Bruce got more hits in and more powerful ones too (like kicking dick through a motorcycle) Dick can't really beat Bruce anyway, and Bruce was winning.

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@jashro44: I can see that they were incredibly bloody. Not blind. Are you kidding? It does matter! It was awesome! If you get kicked through a motorcycle I would say that's pretty embarrassing. Also it looks like Bruce got more hits in and more powerful ones too. Dick can't really beat Bruce anyway, and Bruce was winning.

My argument isn't that Bruce wont beat Nightwing, my arguement is with you saying nightwing got whooped as if he got stomped. Because he didn't.

And no getting kicked through a motorbike and shrugging it off like nothing happened is not embarrassing. Its actually pretty impressive nightwing shrugged off attacks like that. He landed 3 more hits in on nightwing, but Grayson was still conscious in the end and got his own shots in, not to mention he blocked and dodged some of batmans attacks. You can say batman had a slight upper hand all though for the most part its not like it was one sided.

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@jashro44: Well I said whooped not stomped. I didn't mean stomped. But when I see someone get kicked through a motorcycle I would say they got whooped. That's pretty sever. Batmans hits were also much more damaging. Yes, not a stomp, but I think whopped works here.

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@jayc1324 said:

@jashro44: Well I said whooped not stomped. I didn't mean stomped. But when I see someone get kicked through a motorcycle I would say they got whooped. That's pretty sever. Batmans hits were also much more damaging. Yes, not a stomp, but I think whopped works here.

I'd hardly consider that whooped especially since getting kicked through a motor bike did very little to nightwing but whatever.

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That Batman fight is ridiculous. I swear sometimes I forget Batman is still human.

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@jashro44: ... How often does Dick get kicked through a motorcycle. Its not embarrassing because it beat him, it'd just the fact that batman can throw him around and kick him through crazy stuff like that so easily.

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So.....No one thinks the fact nightwing shrugged off the kick which busted a motorcycle is equally as ridiculous? Why is it just batman people complain about?

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@jayc1324 said:

@jashro44: ... How often does Dick get kicked through a motorcycle. Its not embarrassing because it beat him, it'd just the fact that batman can throw him around and kick him through crazy stuff like that so easily.

Not often but thats besides the point. The point is the kick didn't actually stop him...Or even slow him down really. Its a great feat for batman yea but its also a pretty good showing for nightwing.

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@jashro44: That point makes it good for Nightwing yes. But the point that Bruce kicked someone through a motorcycle is also good for Batman.

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@jayc1324 said:

@jashro44: That point makes it good for Nightwing yes. But the point that Bruce kicked someone through a motorcycle is also good for Batman.

I agree with that.

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Man Swamp Thing can kick some ass.

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Ch'p vs superman was awesome. Superman defeated by the squirrel green lantern lol

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@omgomgwtfwtf: nooooo I shouldn't of clicked the blacked out stuff. He has been one of my favs since Xcutioners song. No I have to buy it

@phalcon05: that sounds awesome! But I'm trying to hold off for the trade :(

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Just from seeing the panel (laptop is on the fritz and that's how I read my books these days) I am pretty sure the angle was supposed to make it look like batman kicked nightwing into the bike so hard that it broke. Not that he kicked a bike at him which is how it seemed like a lot of people read it. Not trying to annoy, just making an observation.

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The fight in Nightwing had many issues to it,the dialogue and the scripting were completely off in that particular fight, but hey,lets just ignore that,instead focus on the plausibility of what Batman can do or cant. I cant even fathom why that's even an issue especially for people who read Batman on a consistent basis. The only explanation I can think of is that people just dont want Batman to do anything impressive at all, the sore losers complaining here are just pissed that these feats will be used in that battle forums eventually and they can only cry PIS for so long.

Accept it,this is what Batman has been like for almost 20 years.

@jeremy1989: batman is not a human being anymore. how can a human being destroy bikes with a kick? how can he fall from great height and still survive? the fight between both of them is way to stupid. that's why i don't read batman's comic. captain america is even better, he more than capable to do what batman does. like falling from great height, and all that stuff. after all he fought the hulk one on one, but loose.

Translation:

I hate it when Batman does something impressive,but love it when Cap replicates the same feat,oh and Cap is more powerful as well.

Tell me dude,what exactly are you complaining about again?

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@luciustheeternal: Yup. I've long found it amusing a guy whose main foes (among others) are a clown and a dude who shoots ice and has a glaring weakness to anything warmer then subzero temperatures give him so much grief, yet "with just a bit of prep" Superman, Luthor, whomever is expected to roll over in defeat. I really like Batman, not a fan of the inconsistency.

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@risingbean: Cap is not superhuman. He is enhanced to the peak of human potential. Batman has other striking feats, he probably holds back against humans so he won't kill them.

That's like saying superman is inconsistent for not punching everyone's head off all the time just because he can.

He is superhuman. The peak of human potential is essentially a genetic perfection humans haven't attained yet.

Bingo. If you can't get it by lots of exercise and natural means, its superhuman. And if people used half an ounce of logic, why would the G use the resources to make a serum that made guys only as strong as bodybuilders? Why not just have soldiers work out harder? I guess common sense must cost more per ounce then gold, seeing how little I find around this site some days.

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So..... Batman kicks down trees and cracks bazooka proof glass and people complain when he kicks a bike in half?

To be fair I rolled my eyes at that Batwanking too. If anything it's easier to explain that craftsmanship in the DCU is subpar then to explain how Bruce breaks that stuff. Of course fanboys have the mantra "He's Batman" and I guess that logic is infallible.

You do realize Luthor s just a bald guy in a suit,a single sniper can off him at any time and spare the world some misery,plot aside he's far easier to kill than Joker or Freeze. Likewise Supermans weakness is a green rock.

Good thing real life logic doesn't apply to comics,otherwise all the non powered heroes would've died a long time ago.

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@risingbean: So? It's not the only time peak-humans/low-end superhumans accomplish such feats, I have seen people constantly cite Ultimate Captain America ''fighting Hulk'' (he didn't but....) or one-shotting some powerhouse and then acting like it's 'awesome'.

All peak-humans can accomplish similar feats in comic-books.

Cap's superhuman. Super Soldier Serum, anyone?

Ultimate Cap is much higher up the totem pole, and Ultimate Hulk (particularly in that first arc) isn't 616 level. Cap basically blitzed an attack that consisted of low blows, shield smashes and a foot sweep. A page or so later Hulk tossed him through a car. Was it awesome? Yes. Was it consistent with what Ult Cap can do? You betcha.

The problem I have with Batman is twofold. 1. He's human. 2. He's inconsistent. He should be one shotting everybody if he can actually pull off feats like breaking through the Batmobile. so this incongruity just makes him inconsistent on the whole.

As for the Batfans who want to pull out the "He broke the Batmobile he must beat character X" argument on the boards, we then have to look at what happens when he hits bad guy Y from his books and when a punch does nothing more then bloody the bad guys lip....Well draw your own conclusions.

The super soldier serum barely qualifies as super human,it's the absolute low end of the super human spectrum,dont pretend as if all super humans operate on the same level. The SS doesn't make Cap immune to PIS or BS writing,and it most certainly doesn't allow him to push his body in to Hulk or Thor levels.He's a street level character whose main h2h rivals are Crossbones and Batroc,neither of whom have any powers.

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@medulaoblaganda said:

@jeremy1989: batman is not a human being anymore. how can a human being destroy bikes with a kick? how can he fall from great height and still survive? the fight between both of them is way to stupid. that's why i don't read batman's comic. captain america is even better, he more than capable to do what batman does. like falling from great height, and all that stuff. after all he fought the hulk one on one, but loose.

Translation:

I hate it when Batman does something impressive,but love it when Cap replicates the same feat,oh and Cap is more powerful as well.

Tell me dude,what exactly are you complaining about again?

I love it when these people try to legitimize Cap fighting Hulk as something that's within the scope of his abilities because of his strength and skill, as if his minor degree of superhuman strength actually makes him fighting Hulk any less stupid than if Batman or Daredevil did it. Cap could be a 50 tonner and Hulk would still chew him up and spit him out. Few threads have the same level of collective delusion that Captain America threads do, where "enhanced human" and "super soldier serum" are basically just catch-all buzzwords designed to make said delusion seem acceptable, and somehow Batman kicking a bike in half is something to get outraged about.

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This thread hot interesting.

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Soooo Daredevil can swat bullets at people, flip limos full of people, throw around 450 barbells 20 feet, and be in a sniper scope one panel, disappear, and be down the block in the next 4 and no one complains. Cap is supposed to be enhanced but to the peak of human potential yet no one seems to complain when he gets punched for miles, going through a bunch of buildings, diving out of planes and landing on the ground to point his feet have tiny craters around them. Or he throws his shield through tanks, catches up to missiles and slicing chains off of them, or throwing it through armored trunks and no one complains. Punisher gets blasted 30 feet in the air by characters that can demolish tanks, or he stands up ready for battle despite having a hole in his leg, ankle broken, being stabbed through the stomach, having half his face cut off, neck sliced open, stabbed in the chest, and arm cut off and people praise him for being a badass. Bane without venom rips stone walls out from the building, dismembers people like wet tissue paper, and walks through gunfire and stab wounds without flinching and people don't complain.

I don't get why people are surprised. Writers give human characters low level super human feats all the time. Batman has a history of doing things like punching away bullets, kicking down trees, bracing a thousand pound ceiling, or disappearing in the blink of an eye. It's nothing new to him or his category of characters. They do unrealistic sh*t all the time. It's honestly kind of hard to find an established character like Batman and NOT have stuff like punching through bazooka proof glass or knocking away bullets happening on a regular basis.

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@saren: you are right about cap lol. captain america fought hulk recently in avengers disk war. big time PIS!!