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Best Battles in Comic History: TDKR Batman vs. Superman

Come see why Batman and Superman's showdown in THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS is easily one of the most iconic battles in comic book history.

Every week, we take some time to reflect on all of the awesome fights in the latest round of new comics. Why limit our praise to just the brand new brawls, though? Why not highlight some of the epic fights in comic book history? Well, ladies and gentlemen, that's exactly what we're going to do with this all-new monthly segment. And, when it comes to kicking-off a segment about iconic book fights, the first pick was blatantly obvious: Batman vs. Superman in THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.

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In 1986, Frank Miller hit the world with the four-issue mini-series, THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. Written and illustrated by Miller, the story revealed a bleak future for Batman and Superman. Wayne, who's now in his fifties, has hung up the cowl and Superman's essentially become a weapon for the U.S. President to utilize. When Wayne decides to finally step back into the cowl (and even accept a new Robin), the powers that be aren't too pleased with the development. Ultimately, the President orders Clark to put the Dark Knight down and what follows is without question one of the most classic battles to ever take place within the pages of a comic. Who would have thought the signature Batman/Superman fight would take place in a non-canon book?

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Upon being ordered by the President to take down his former ally, Superman reaches out to Wayne instead of getting the job done right away. Considering their decades of history, it's the respectful and right thing to do. Using his heat vision, he writes one simple word in the ground near Bruce: "where?" The Caped Crusader looks up and replies, "Crime Alley." The area's evacuated by the military so the two can battle without any collateral damage, but Superman made one critical mistake: he gave Bruce prep time. Now, we all know who's going to take this fight in a random encounter, but Kal isn't about to face your ordinary version of Batman. Instead, Bruce shows up to the fight sporting one heck of an armor and a whole lot of new toys. Utilizing his weapons and even the environment, he's able to give Clark all kinds of trouble when the fight kicks-off. It's worth noting this future version of Superman isn't quite up to par with what we're used to -- one nuclear warhead nearly killed him.

Sure, a slugfest between these two under Frank Miller is all kinds of good stuff, but what makes this battle particularly great is the fact it shows off Batman's tactical mind and resourceful nature. Even with all of his tech, Wayne knows he's not winning a Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots style encounter with Kal-El. Because of that, this fight relies purely on Bruce's wit and the plan he crafted. Naturally, the details weren't revealed before the big showdown, so it's a glorious experience to watch it all play out.

Bruce uses every tool possible and it softens the alien just enough to the point where a regular strike (from a super-strong armor, of course) can faze Supes. Sonics, acid, electric -- Bruce unleashes it all against Clark. The offensive is definitely felt by the Kryptonian, yet it still pales compared to the damage the powerhouse sends back his way. With only a couple of hits, the Caped Crusader suffers three broken ribs and a crushed wrist. Bruce is giving it his all, but there's just no standing up to a hit from Superman, no matter how advanced your armor may be.

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All good things must come to an end and the fight's conclusion is quite legendary. Seeing as it's such a fantastic and memorable read, we don't want to spoil it for you in case you haven't checked it out yet. That said, if you haven't already read Miller's story, we strongly recommend you jump into it as soon as possible. Seriously, it's often considered one of the top must read Batman stories for a reason, people. Plus, it's pretty much the least you can do to prepare for 2015's Batman vs. Superman, right?

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@cadencev2: I have a problem with indie comic fans with your attitude mate, and that like to obnoxiously hate on everything mainstream while constantly talking about said mainstream things. Superman does usually fight smart. I was just noting that the moments in which he doesn't maximize his abilities to his fullest are usually due to plot, not any like of intelligence.

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@theocitylegend: You do know that he just said that he has a problem with mainstream comic fans, right? Lol.

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@theocitylegend: You do know that he just said that he has a problem with mainstream comic fans, right? Lol.

And so what? Other people have problem against Flash, and Batman fans. People openly complain of DBZ fans, thus why DBZ is banned again.

I have a problem with you people who like to only show off the best feats of characters and hold it as the standard.

Then S**t all over any comic character who does not have 60+ years of comic feats, stating they are clearly inferior.

So..........

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@cadencev2:

I have a problem with you people who like to only show off the best feats of characters and hold it as the standard.

Ah, you mean that you have a problem with people who don' t lowball in debates. I note great skill, durability, etc. feats that are consistent with a character.I'm not going to pick up inconsistent low showings for either my character or the character I need to debate against. Just because I am a skilled enough debater to the point where I do not have to obnoxiously lowball the character I debate against to present myself succinctly, doesn't mean you should be mad with me.

Then S**t all over any comic character who does not have 60+ years of comic feats, stating they are clearly inferior.

I've never done that. I've noted to you multiple times how there are a plethora of debaters that use lesser known characters just like you do, and are able to successfully pass them off as equals to Marvel and DC characters without lowballing. Tpraks did this beautifully recently in the Shredder vs Elektra battle of the week without lowballing at all Maybe you are just largely inferior to those indie comic debaters I noted in terms of debating skill, and you need to take a few notes on how they debate against mainstream characters.

So..........

Cheers.

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@cadencev2: I have a problem with indie comic fans with your attitude mate, and that like to obnoxiously hate on everything mainstream while constantly talking about said mainstream things. Superman does usually fight smart. I was just noting that the moments in which he doesn't maximize his abilities to his fullest are usually due to plot, not any like of intelligence.

Most of my pull list consists of mainstream books but I still see where this guy is coming from. We have writers like Lobdell introducing stupidly ridicules feats like benching the Earth for several days in one story, and then in another story we are expected to believe Superman has issues with lesser villains like Metallo. It's hard to read stories totally independently from one another and without comparing the Superman of a given story to past ones. If we attribute Supermans low showings to plot then the whole concept of feats starts to fall apart because fanboys can then just say all Supermans low showings are due to plot but all his high showings are legitimate, or Superman haters can just say all his high showings are due to plot stupidity and his low showings are legitimate. For me there must be characteristic of the character that explains his range in feats, Superman not being too brainy when it comes to using his ability's in combat situations works.

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@theocitylegend: The bench pressing Earth feat was an EXTREMELY high end feat for New 52 Superman which his other consistent showings don't show he could pull off. Thus, why it is scrutinized by debaters. I was just noting that some instances where Superman does not perform as well as he possibly can when he consistently does perform aptly in combat is due to the sake of story. I never insinuated that ALL of Superman's low showings are due to plot, I was just pointing to plot for the specific issue at hand here.

There is nothing to understand with Cadence, he is just angry.

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@theocitylegend said:

Most of my pull list consists of mainstream books but I still see where this guy is coming from. We have writers like Lobdell introducing stupidly ridicules feats like benching the Earth for several days in one story, and then in another story we are expected to believe Superman has issues with lesser villains like Metallo. It's hard to read stories totally independently from one another and without comparing the Superman of a given story to past ones. If we attribute Supermans low showings to plot then the whole concept of feats starts to fall apart because fanboys can then just say all Supermans low showings are due to plot but all his high showings are legitimate, or Superman haters can just say all his high showings are due to plot stupidity and his low showings are legitimate. For me there must be characteristic of the character that explains his range in feats, Superman not being too brainy when it comes to using his ability's in combat situations works.

This guy totally gets it.

Superman is very smart and downright tactical when he needs to be. He is just dumb in his day to day battles.

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@theocitylegend: The bench pressing Earth feat was an EXTREMELY high end feat for New 52 Superman which his other consistent showings don't show he could pull off. Thus, why it is scrutinized by debaters. I was just noting that some instances where Superman does not perform as well as he possibly can when he consistently does perform aptly in combat is due to the sake of story. I never insinuated that ALL of Superman's low showings are due to plot, I was just pointing to plot for the specific issue at hand here.

There is nothing to understand with Cadence, he is just angry.

You still do not and never will. Sigh......

Ah, you mean that you have a problem with people who don' t lowball in debates. I note great skill, durability, etc. feats that are consistent with a character.I'm not going to pick up inconsistent low showings for either my character or the character I need to debate against. Just because I am a skilled enough debater to the point where I do not have to obnoxiously lowball the character I debate against to present myself succinctly, doesn't mean you should be mad with me.

The only people who seem to think I lowball is the same people who like to point out the best feats. Plenty of times in debates I have other Viners agreeing with me over you and your high feat nit picking for certain characters.

I've never done that. I've noted to you multiple times how there are a plethora of debaters that use lesser known characters just like you do, and are able to successfully pass them off as equals to Marvel and DC characters without lowballing. Tpraks did this beautifully recently in the Shredder vs Elektra battle of the week without lowballing at all Maybe you are just largely inferior to those indie comic debaters I noted in terms of debating skill, and you need to take a few notes on how they debate against mainstream characters.

Tparks is a very good debater, I think he is too soft in his debates. As for me not being successful, I got voted in the Debater Hall of Fame. I must be doing something right. Not everyone likes my style, and I could care less. Not everyone will be happy with my views, gender, race, speech, politics, religion, ect.

Im not here to try and gain the approval of everyone like you then. Im here to point out the facts as I read, seen, and studied them. Im here to prove indie Comics are in many ways just as good as Mainstream Comics. Im very successful at it too it seems. Many people have come around like my arguments in Ultimate Cap vs Deathstroke. Many people seen and learn the character, then went as far to say they wish they could have changed their vote. I have convinced many people Ghost Rider is a awesome, and totally underused character of Marvel. Most people 4-3 years ago believed Ghost Rider would lose to Iron Man or lower. Now everyone knows he is a match for Thor. As far as I seen, me and Zoom were the only GR fans on here who pushed out the facts of GR.

I done pretty well it seems. I just wont hide my distaste for fanboy favorite characters. Wolverine, Spider Man, Superman, Batman, Flash, Deathstroke, and many more are such overrated characters with a overzealous fan base. Its in the total Norm for people to say (insert Indie character here) is featless compared to a Marvel or DC character because they are not as well known, less comics, or the publisher is simply not the big 2. I will not hide my contempt for such mainstream characters these days, nor should I have too. Free world and all.

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I wouldn't mind the outcome of the fight all that much if it didn't have Frank Millers hate plastered all over the book. *In my Kanye voice* Frank Miller hates blac---*cough*...Frank Miller hates Superman. Superman was written so out of character in this book, it should even make MoS haters cringe. And it was all to make Batman seem all the more better too. Everything about this book is pretty much Frank Miller wanking Batman and messing up Superman. This book also spawned one of the most out-of-context used pictures ever....soooooo.....

But, seriously, the fight is pretty cool once you get past all the Miller-ness

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@cadencev2:

The only people who seem to think I lowball is the same people who like to point out the best feats. Plenty of times in debates I have other Viners agreeing with me over you and your high feat nit picking for certain characters.

No Cadence, multiple credible debaters have called you out for lowballing, temper tantrums, scan bombing, etc. before. It has become the center of your style. You think that if you lowball you will somehow gain respect for lesser known characters. Pretty poor method.

Tparks is a very good debater, I think he is too soft in his debates.

He isn't "soft". He just knows how to present himself excellently without lowballing an throwing temper tantrums. Like you always do. Take note.

I'm not here to try and gain the approval of everyone like you then. Im here to point out the facts as I read, seen, and studied them. Im here to prove indie Comics are in many ways just as good as Mainstream Comics. Im very successful at it too it seems. Many people have come around like my arguments in Ultimate Cap vs Deathstroke. Many people seen and learn the character, then went as far to say they wish they could have changed their vote. I have convinced many people Ghost Rider is a awesome, and totally underused character of Marvel. Most people 4-3 years ago believed Ghost Rider would lose to Iron Man or lower. Now everyone knows he is a match for Thor. As far as I seen, me and Zoom were the only GR fans on here who pushed out the facts of GR.

I think even you have noted before that most of the people impressed by our debating style are new people while veterans call you out......

Its in the total Norm for people to say (insert Indie character here) is featless compared to a Marvel or DC character because they are not as well known, less comics, or the publisher is simply not the big 2.

No, it is the norm for people to say that when the indie character in question is just lacking feats.

Wolverine, Spider Man, Superman, Batman, Flash, Deathstroke, and many more are such overrated characters with a overzealous fan base.

They aren't nearly as overzealous as your puerile hatred. None of their fanshup comes close to equating your hatred.

I will not hide my contempt for such mainstream characters these days, nor should I have too. Free world and all.

LOL, this is code for "I hate all mainstream comic characters and I will continue to hate and lowball them!". You are allowed to keep doing what you do best, and you will just continue ti look like a Grade A clown. I am done with this conversation. I am degrading myself by talking to you.

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Sh*t book with sh*tty characterization of Superman. Frank Miller sucks.

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One of the best fights in comic books history, one of my favorites of all time.

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awesome story. great fight. even made the animated films off of it. and they were great too. frank miller is the best fan boy

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@wolverine08: Well, again I seem to be credited alot. In our Cap vs Snake battle I had 6 votes to your 10+. People must be agreeing with me somewhere.

I been on here longer than you, use to try and work within the stystem of acceptance, and I now no longer wish to hide my dislike for Mainstream characters. Nor as of last 2 weeks, do I even care anymore what people think. I took a break do to taking it personally, and being frustrated with the norm around here.

As of my past 4 CaV debates, I simply do not care what people think anymore and nor do I care how they perceive my dislike of mainstream characters. I still get to make tons of money on my GI Bill, go to college all day and get paid, and come home to bang my wife. I no longer care what a bunch of faceless Internet kids think of my dislike of Marvel and DC comics anymore :/ Sry.

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@cadencev2: Like I said, keep lowballing the mainstream Marvel and DC characters you dislike. I could not really care less, and all you do is just lower you credibility as a debater.

Have a good day.

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@wolverine08 said:

@cadencev2: Like I said, keep lowballing the mainstream Marvel and DC characters you dislike. I could not really care less, and all you do is just lower you credibility as a debater.

Have a good day.

Then do me a favor and stop stalking me on this site. Every time I turn around, your their shouting Lowballer. You are clearly trolling me at this point about this subject, which I do not care anymore. There is 2 CaVs alone where you derailed the thread to try prove a point on my hate of Mainstream. Just leave me alone then.

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@cadencev2: Okay then mate.

I still think your a great debtor when all said and done. Just starting to to get tiresome when we get into these lengthy debates over my very public hate.

Let my own shenanigans bring me down, it happens then it happens.

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Superman by feats and with his power set could and should beat most foes in DC universe with minimal effort. Yet he fights like a brick half the time forgetting his Heat Vision that can cut moons in half, his FTL Speed Blitzes, Freeze Breath, ect. Most often he simply fights at the enemies pace like a brick.

Strikes me dumb.

Yet again mate, that is as far from the truth as I can put it. Fighting "dumb" is by far a very incorrect term in specifying how Superman fights. Superman doesn't fight "dumb" nor is he dumb, for the most part, he's inexperienced in terms of who he's up against or the heroes we can compare him to. He may take advantage of his sheer power, but there are more than enough instances to prove that he utilizes more tactical and strategic motives in his fights than even Batman himself.

In addition, whether readers like it or not, Superman is written differently by almost every writer who approaches him. In some cases he might be powerful enough to wipe out his enemies with a single blow or in another instance, he might be weakened to allow the writer to utilize some creativity in how Superman approaches his enemies (which happens more often than not).

I simply don't find it fair that you're assuming as much, especially based off very little and especially off of TDKR of all things. That is no way a means to downplay the story, but a simple clarification that the story gave Batman a massive crutch in order to shine him in a proper light.

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Personally I really enjoyed this fight and the book.

Although there where a few flaws like why does superman get hurt by a bomb and why was superman a pawn of the government but yeah even though he was toned down a bit IIRC it was still a great fight and once I realised how it was a battle beyond physical means I began to appreciate it more.

I agree Superman was written badly in it but overall I think it was a great book and a great fight as it gives a good image to the classic batman vs superman fight but doesn't actually nerf superman as much as everyone thinks as even with Bruce's armour he still ends up in a bad state by the end.

My biggest dislike is when people say it is non canon when refearing to it being none mainstream and to be honest it's not so far away from mainstream as its only a future version of the same place.

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i dunno why everyone is hyping those two books soo much...they are ok and i even like Frank Miller a lot but those two books never really got on the top of my own favourite batman stories and toplistings.

but this fight was better then the one in the first book, thats for sure.

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@deranged_midget said:

@cadencev2 said:

Superman by feats and with his power set could and should beat most foes in DC universe with minimal effort. Yet he fights like a brick half the time forgetting his Heat Vision that can cut moons in half, his FTL Speed Blitzes, Freeze Breath, ect. Most often he simply fights at the enemies pace like a brick.

Strikes me dumb.

Yet again mate, that is as far from the truth as I can put it. Fighting "dumb" is by far a very incorrect term in specifying how Superman fights. Superman doesn't fight "dumb" nor is he dumb, for the most part, he's inexperienced in terms of who he's up against or the heroes we can compare him to. He may take advantage of his sheer power, but there are more than enough instances to prove that he utilizes more tactical and strategic motives in his fights than even Batman himself.

In addition, whether readers like it or not, Superman is written differently by almost every writer who approaches him. In some cases he might be powerful enough to wipe out his enemies with a single blow or in another instance, he might be weakened to allow the writer to utilize some creativity in how Superman approaches his enemies (which happens more often than not).

I simply don't find it fair that you're assuming as much, especially based off very little and especially off of TDKR of all things. That is no way a means to downplay the story, but a simple clarification that the story gave Batman a massive crutch in order to shine him in a proper light.

I think you misunderstand me.

I understand the different writer bit, I do. That is just one of the many negative downfalls of a long running comic that gets mishandled by their own company from time to time.

Add to that Earth 31 Superman is vastly weaker than other Supermen.

The point I was making was what I took away from the Frank Miller Batman books. Superman is dumb. Again I am not saying Superman in general is dumb, just that Frank Miller seems to write and see Superman as dumb. I do not blame him, I think overall Superman relies on his stats for wins in most Comic fights I seen him in than anything else.

That is just my thoughts on Frank Miller's work.

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@darkseid1006 said:

Personally I really enjoyed this fight and the book.

Although there where a few flaws like why does superman get hurt by a bomb and why was superman a pawn of the government but yeah even though he was toned down a bit IIRC it was still a great fight and once I realised how it was a battle beyond physical means I began to appreciate it more.

I agree Superman was written badly in it but overall I think it was a great book and a great fight as it gives a good image to the classic batman vs superman fight but doesn't actually nerf superman as much as everyone thinks as even with Bruce's armour he still ends up in a bad state by the end.

My biggest dislike is when people say it is non canon when refearing to it being none mainstream and to be honest it's not so far away from mainstream as its only a future version of the same place.

I can answer this.

Frank Miller's Batman is based on Earth 31. This Superman is vastly weaker than the other Earth Supermans. Look at Superboy Prime, Classic Superman, Ultraman, Red Son Superman, All Star Superman, or Superman 1 Million. All these Supermen are different in power levels and feats. Ultraman is not even weak to magic thanks to his Universe difference.

As long people can remember this, it is a good read and battle.

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One of the best fights in comics, good pick.

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I think you misunderstand me.

I understand the different writer bit, I do. That is just one of the many negative downfalls of a long running comic that gets mishandled by their own company from time to time.

Add to that Earth 31 Batman is vastly weaker than other Supermen.

The point I was making was what I took away from the Frank Miller Batman books. Superman is dumb. Again I am not saying Superman in general is dumb, just that Frank miller seems to write and see Superman as dumb. I do not blame him, I think overall Superman relies on his stats for wins in most Comic fights I seen him in than anything else.

That is just my thoughts on Frank Miller's work.

Could've opened with that one mate :P

Frank Miller is hardly a proper knowledge on Superman, let alone the character by extension. His work with Batman through TDKR should hardly be considered a proper indication of Superman in any regard. My opinion on Miller's work with Batman differs largely from his characterization of several other characters.

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Of corse, this was back when the idea of these two fighting was unheard of. Back then they were as close as brothers.

It was a great fight, but still, nobody has ever let Superman live down this one defeat.

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I always find the fight confusing

SPOILER:

The ending has batman saying he won, but yet superman was barely fighting and even on the picture says "I just broke three of your ribs" the dude is trying his hardest to hold back yet batman who passed out ( even though it was on his own doing ) won? I never understood that...

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I always find the fight confusing

SPOILER:

The ending has batman saying he won, but yet superman was barely fighting and even on the picture says "I just broke three of your ribs" the dude is trying his hardest to hold back yet batman who passed out ( even though it was on his own doing ) won? I never understood that...

Batman did won, he outsmarted Superman. Superman holding back has no place on a legit win, it is his weakness that he holds back.

You do not see UFC fighters crying to judges "Waaaagh, I held back, I would have won!"

C'mon people.

Could've opened with that one mate :P

Frank Miller is hardly a proper knowledge on Superman, let alone the character by extension. His work with Batman through TDKR should hardly be considered a proper indication of Superman in any regard. My opinion on Miller's work with Batman differs largely from his characterization of several other characters.

Frank Miller is also insane now and days. And his take on Robocop vs Terminator was terrible as well.

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Frank Miller is also insane now and days. And his take on Robocop vs Terminator was terrible as well.

That's a matter for a different discussion but his work prior was notable in many regards.

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you mean most overrated....

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@cadencev2: Hey Soldier - you might check that talk about utilizing your GI benefits to berate others on the head in any discussion. Using it as a tool to make yourself feel justified isn't honorable. Period. Other than that, I have no problem with your impassioned defense and can even laud your desire to defend what you believe.

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@grey56 said:

@cadencev2: Hey Soldier - you might check that talk about utilizing your GI benefits to berate others on the head in any discussion. Using it as a tool to make yourself feel justified isn't honorable. Period. Other than that, I have no problem with your impassioned defense and can even laud your desire to defend what you believe.

Soldier? Try Sailor guy. As for my mention of using my GI Bill to berate others, not my problem. They can join the service for 4-8-12-20+ years too if they want. I did my time, and do not give a leap frog what others think of my opinions after I served 8 miserable years in the service so they can have those opinions.

Also not sure why your butting in anything between me and Wolverineo8 who has been hassling me for the past month now on my so call Low Balling. Not sure why at all.

Before you think I am berating anyone, check yourself on what you may perceive as berating is not actually me standing firm to my ideals of not giving a monkey's bottom what others think of my views since I made something of my life.

Huu Raaw.

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@cadencev2: Hey Sailor - you aren't the only party on here who's given service. The point of the service is that you did it out of a sense of honor and obligation - not as a venue with which to publicly justify how you feel at the end of the day. Let alone in a discussion on a message board. Your insinuation that it lends more credence to your opinion and your negative depiction of your spouse doesn't have any place in any discussion.

That is why I 'butted' in. I couldn't care less what scrum you're in over what cape has better abilities. Everyone here probably has due deference to your seeking to make a better life for yourself and your family. There's no need to utilize it as a bludgeon.

I'm not berating you at all for defending your beliefs - so you can do the checking. If you'll read my original post you should find that I can empathize with anyone being passionate about what they believe.

Oh and it's Sir - not guy. Hooah.

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@grey56 said:

Oh and it's Sir - not guy. Hooah.

Well sir, with all due respect, Foxtrot Uniform. Or as I use to say it a few years back, "Roger that." Now if you excuse me, I have Math Homework to finish doing before another day of laboring in the sun for a decent paycheck to cover my bills for me and my family since that pitiful GI Bill that does not nearly make enough between me and my wife thanks to Obama Care forcing her job to cut hours below 40 hours a week so they do not have to pay health care.

Copy that? Over and out.

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Hated the artwork, hated the story, hated the characters. It's up there with my hate for anything Batman, Superman, and Batman/Superman related. Overrated, underrated, etc., etc.

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@cadencev2: Good grief - I see the time in service didn't teach you enough respect. Good luck with convincing anyone of your ideas let alone of your honorable service with an attitude like that.

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@grey56 said:

@cadencev2: Good grief - I see the time in service didn't teach you enough respect. Good luck with convincing anyone of your ideas let alone of your honorable service with an attitude like that.

Thank you. In the end let me ruin my own credibility. As long as I make money for my family, operate within the law, and hurt no one, then screw anyone else views on me.

You should not have tried to lecture me on berating anything when I merely made a statements of what is facts. I am doing pretty well in life without caring what faceless internet snobs who nut hug their favorite characters think of me and my taste. I did my time, got my 2 Honorable Discharges, and Good Conduct Medals. I do not need your damn approval.

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I hate Miller's version of Batman. He's basically Rorschach and Wolverine mixed with Clint Eastwood then with a twist of what Miller WISHES he could be IRL. The stories Miller tries to tell with Batman, outside of "Year One", have nothing to do with Batman at all. It's all about him and his republican, anti-sissy fantasy Batman.

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its not even canon....who cares

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its not even canon....who cares

... Yes it is. Its Earth 31.

Batman Year One, Batman All Stars, Batman and Spawn (Many official books and insights claim its canon to Frank Miller as it was his Batman), Return of the Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Strikes Again. In this order.

All these books are Frank Miller's Batman of Earth 31.

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I really need to read this already, I have the graphic novel, but I know I have the original four issues, I really need to dig them out... (Because this looks pretty awesome...)

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Should this say: A nuke, Green Arrow, Robin, and Batman vs Superman?

I always hated this fight, for one thing, the only person who "did" anything to Supes is Green Arrow. The art is bad, the portrayal of Superman is way off, and Frank Miller is hack.

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damn...I just read through this and at first I was like "Man, this thread certainly didn't go in the direction K4tz intended." Then I was like "Damn, Cadence is getting corrected by another serviceman" man, this thread got WAY off topic, but I like it.....

This thread = bookmarked

edit: oh, and frank while a good writer is wack when it comes to superman. I hope he doesn't get to say sh*t when Man of Steel 2: Superman vs Batman is being written and directed, lawd knows hes going to make Henry Cavill look like a jackass compared to Ben Affleck.

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damn...I just read through this and at first I was like "Man, this thread certainly didn't go in the direction K4tz intended." Then I was like "Damn, Cadence is getting corrected by another serviceman" man, this thread got WAY off topic, but I like it.....

This thread = bookmarked

This was indeed an excellent thread :D

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@wolverine08: and i'm not saying it to be a jerk to cadence...Its just a rare occurrence that I think needs to be looked back on from time to time...y'know

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@2cool4fun: SPOILER: Once he has the kryptonite, Superman is weak, and Batman could have pretty much killed him at that moment. Batman chose to pass out because that was the only way of beating Superman without killing him (i.e. proving Superman wrong about the whole capturing thing). The whole fight was pretty much a fight of ideologies, Superman thinking there is no other way and Batman showing him another way.

Well said. :)