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Batman Battle of the Month Results: Winter Soldier vs. Batman

The Dark Knight takes on the Winter Soldier. Who do we think would win? Who did the Comic Vine community side with? Come check out the verdict and a highlight from the debate!

This month, Batman's abilities are being tested against the man who once wielded the shield: James Buchanan "Bucky" Barnes. Since the poll was created on Monday, 400+ Viners voted and there were a lot of superb posts praising both characters. Well, the poll is now locked and the community has spoken: Batman wins. Gotham's hero took 64% of the votes while the Winter Soldier earned 31%. 5% of voters thought this match had the potential to go either way and voted too close to call.

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The community thinks Bruce defeats James, but do I agree? Let's go ahead and take a look at the advantages, shall we?

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First and foremost, there's no denying Bucky's a formidable hand-to-hand combatant. While it's not clear just not many styles he knows, he's been able to hang with highly talented individuals and overcome some tough challenges with relative ease. When it comes to martial arts, Bucky may not be among the absolute best in his universe, but he's damn good. Throw in the fact he won't mind using dirtier tactics and he should absolutely not be underestimated in this regard. But at the end of the day, there just isn't enough to justify Bucky being Bruce's equal in unarmed combat. There's certainly no shame in that, though, seeing as Bruce has mastered 127 styles and is without question among the best in his respective universe.

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While Bruce would of course take a majority of victories in a purely unarmed battle, this isn't a simple melee and Bucky has one key variable: his cybernetic arm. One clean hit from this arm with superhuman-strength could be exactly what James needs to take the edge. Moreover, it can release a powerful electric attack or even an EMP (which could potentially disable some of Bruce's gear, but in turn, Bruce's EMP holds the potential to shutdown Bucky's arm, too). We all know Batman's cowl is insulated from electric attacks, but as recently proven by Wrath, a powerful enough attack can still indeed faze the hero. After researching, I was unable to find exactly how many watts Bucky releases with this attack, but it's fair to speculate this has the potential to, at the very least, momentarily stun Bruce. When you're dealing with someone who will do whatever it takes to win, even the slightest opening can serve as a game changer. This can open the window to land a hit with his cybernatic arm or even use his high caliber pistol. Batman's cowl is bulletproof, but a hit from that modified S.H.I.E.L.D. pistol is sure to be felt in close proximity. Batman is by no means an easy character to shoot, but it is worth noting that Bucky's a very formidable marksman. With little time to respond, he's been able to catch and even shoot down numerous arrows fired by Clint Barton and blast away Daredevil's billy club. He may not hit Bruce at a distance in this environment, but if anything, he's sure to keep him on his toes.

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Bucky's equipment can serve as massive wildcards, but if we're talking gear, Bruce is hardly lacking in that regard, either. While it's nonsensical to believe he'll have every piece of gear we've seen him use throughout the decades, he still has a commendable amount of options on him at all times, and quite a few could definitely impact his opponent's performance (though smoke/stealth is unlikely since Bucky's mask can generate a 3D map of the entire location and see his targets). When it comes to gear and equipment, the Caped Crusader plainly has more options to utilize as the fight progresses.

In the end, this comes down to the simple fact that Batman does indeed possess a skill advantage and has a more than wealthy variety of gear at his disposal which can turn the tide. It won't be any easy or even short fight -- not at all -- but ultimately, I agree with the majority that the Dark Knight has what it takes to eventually triumph in a fight that would be well worth witnessing.

Viner Argument of the Week for Batman is by SlimJ87D

"He [Bucky] really isn't just a guy with a gun, he is capable of using it WHILE performing H2H combat. He's also shot out projectiles from Hawkeye and Daredevil. Hawkeye had shot 3 arrows behind Bucky's back and Bucky shot them all out in mid air. He's also capable of catching Hawkeyes arrows with both arms. He shot Daredevil's Eskrima sticks when Daredevil threw them.

So I think the gun can be used pretty well offensively, a lot of Batman's batarangs could be caught and thrown right back at him, even worse if Batman throws any tech lethal batarangs at Bucky, Bucky is fast enough to catch and return them just like he did to Hawkeyes explosive arrows when he caught and immediately threw them at Wolverine's torso. Again, I think their gear is pretty even.

Batman's stealth won't really work because again, he's up against someone that has sneaked around Doctor Doom's castle past all his security tech. He has snuck up on Wolverine 2 times and followed Wolverine around for months without Wolverine not even catching his scent. Lastly, his domino mask acts like a sonar just like Daredevil's ability to know where people are.

In the strength department, Bucky actually has the advantage here thanks to his metal arm. The other advantage is that Batman doesn't know Bucky's arm is a metal arm. Bucky's new arm actually is capable of jamming tech to give it off as a normal arm. It even looks and feels like a normal arm when he wants it to, giving off heat signatures like a normal arm as well.

Batman's main advantage would be his skill and years of experienced clocked in. He's fought and has a much larger number of feats compared to Bucky. He's also older than Bucky is and has evidence of more training than Bucky does. The importance in skill probably outweigh the difference in strength, but slightly due to the arm being an element of surprise.

This is why I give it to Batman 6/10 in a difficult fight. If Bucky had the SHIELD, then it would have been too close to call IMO because Bucky can throw the shield fast enough to slice through metal objects and is as skilled with it as Steve is, but unlike Steve he has been shown to use his fire arm very well with the SHIELD's trajectory of ricocheting around."

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@k4tzm4n: nice reasoning for your opinion. It's too bad i didnt catch this battle so i couldn't say anything in the original thread but i basically agree with what you said. Nice job. Sounds like it was interesting.

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Winter Soldier too.... nice to see comics are a huge popularity contest like high school.

Or -- and far more likely -- it's possible Batman actually has what it takes to earn a slight majority in a random encounter with Bucky.

@trodorne said:

What I liked with the mention at the bottom of this article was the Cyclops vs Batman where you had 2 verdicts. Comicvine verdict, and the voters verdict. and thats how it should be. a bi partisan look at the characters and how they stack up, while still giving the fans a say in who they think would win.

cause to me, im so sick of batman id rather see bruce wayne beaten into a coma and staying there for the next 2 years and let Dick take over again. but thats me.

This one does have two verdicts -- it states who won the poll and who I believe would win. The only thing it's missing is a joke picture for "what if Bucky won?" And I simply didn't have time to make one of those this week.

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@jamdamage: why are you going on about cap? It's winter soldier vs batman

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Winter Soldier too.... nice to see comics are a huge popularity contest like high school.

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Well... The fight is over, guys. Keep cool !

And I'm glad to read that next times we'll have members of the Bat-family instead of Batman himself. That could be really funny.

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winter soldier is so over matched its not even funny....who the fuck is winter soldiers rouges gallery ? a russian general and caps leftovers ?,,,he's been in like 50-60 comics not as bucky and half of them were with the new avengers ..winter soldier has skills and he's a badass but he's not on batman's level at all. hell put up a decent fight for a few mins but batman will eventually defeat him. .... black panther maybe captain america maybe...winter soldier hell no

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@scodiac said:

Yeah Batman is popular... He's also Batman. He would win.

Thank you.

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I'm glad none of you are surprised. Or "shocked" in any or it's incarnations; as is the word of the day in the comments. Of his Bat-Battles I still think the only legit winner is Black Panther as much as I hate to say it. I mean c'mon... it's Batman. If we were all in 3rd grade he'd be the dude that could beat up our dads and Santa Claus... At the same time! Nobody else has that honor. Except maybe Doomsday.

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@k4tzm4n: Please where did you get that batman pic on the homescreen from?

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@redroomwriter said:
@entropy_aegis said:

Oh look, the"Batman always wins cause he's popular brigade is back",hmmm if that's the case then why did he lose to Black Panther and Kraven? Batman beats Bucky cause Buck has nothing on him period.

Skills,smarts,physicals,equipment,stealth etc Batman HAS every advantage on him,as par the course the usual Bucky arguments are more or less"he's fought in wars,he kills" completely and utterly irrelevant.

You sound like you never read a single book with Winter Soldier in....Bucky has:

-Lifetime of experience of War, Espionage, Assassination, everything Cloak & Dagger Bucky has done.

-Trained with Captain America (was his partner), Black Widow, Red Guardian, etc

-Expert information gatherer.

-Delt with a much more varying range of opponents and fought several heroes at the same time 3 of which are super powered (Wolverine, Daredevil, Hawkeye and Captain America) he took Wolverine down instantly, Clint was a null factor and Daredevil was in all kinds of trouble, Cap had to blindside him.

Yes it was a clear Bias post you made, a clear Batfan post, Bucky isn't a slouch and would give Batman a real run for his money.

The reason Batman lost to Kraven, Black Panther & Wolverine (Bucky beat Wolverine in canon by the way) is quite simple, there was absolutely no possible argument that could be pulled out such as "Preptime" or "Experience" the fact they HAVE been used as the excuse for Batmans win over Winter Soldier once again shows two things:

-Batfans don't research and use "Preptime" and "Experience" as a crutch

-Batfans forget he has weaknesses that can be openly exploited, He Is Still a Man.

Oh and yes the fact that Bucky is Cold and Efficent in battle matters a Lot more than you think, Batman uses Shadowgames, intimidation and fear, they are entirely ineffective against the Winter Soldier.

Edit: To Add, Bucky isn't just a "Normal Guy" now, he has taken the Infinity Formula which enhances the individuals healing factor, slows aging and puts them just above peak human capabilities, so yep, I believe I'm quite right to call BS on this one.

I've read plenty of Bucky comics(Brubakers entire run,and the WS series),if anything you're the one who clearly lacks Bucky knowledge,every single point you've brought up is essentially worthless and reeks wiki.Expert information gatherer,fighting wars,training with Cap etc seriously those are some of the most useless,generic traits ever,they actually do Bucky's capabilities a disservice,I could easily interpret that as Falcon or something.

Likewise you've got some nerve accusing others of being fanboys and using the prep card as a crutch when you're basically doing the same thing.Buck didn't land a single hit on DD in that fight you keep bragging about despite being prepared and bloodlusted,his killer instinct didn't prevent him from being one shotted by Cap,and he again had prep against Wolverine.When you get down to it every major Bucky feat has some some amounts of prep involved and he hasn't beaten a single top tier fighter in a random encounter.

Batman doesn't need prep,he can wreck Bucky in half a dozen different ways in a random encounter,Batman wins 10/10.

Batman is a man stronger,faster,smarter,more skilled than Bucky.

QFT

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@redroomwriter said:

@lvenger said:

@entropy_aegis: Now I wouldn't say Batman wins 10/10. Bucky has plenty of advantages that will make it a closely fought fight such as better physical stats, good marksmanship, offensive weaponry and good tech to keep Batman at bay. These advantages are enough to make Batman fight very hard to gain a majority.

@redroomwriter Now come on, you're just making yourself seem just as bad as any over zealous Bat fanboy with the whining and the popularity contest complaint. If you actually read the article Gregg has written, you'd see your errors in your complaints. As for your analysis, though I don't feel like getting too much into its errors, Bucky does not actually have more experience than Batman. Remember that he was cryogenically frozen and only brought out to serve on certain black ops missions. That's why he's still so young. Technically, he doesn't actually have more experience than Batman I'm afraid. Batman has more feats and demonstrable skill feats too. Even Winter Soldier experts such as Slim have admitted Bucky can't take a majority over Batman. And when guys like that weigh in, it's important to take note of their views.

Winter Soldier was cryogenically frozen during mission downtimes in the late 1960's (Marvel timeline) due to concerns over the mental conditioning weakening, thus his Handlers were afraid of him slipping the leash, this means he was active for 20 + years before becoming a "popsickle"
This does not mean Bucky festered, he, like Cap didn't age and kept at his peak of training, but we could go on this all day so I'll just go onto the flaw with these "Battles" namely Batside.
The problem with a lot of Batmans greatest achievements? Retcons.
Now it's true if you take everything that encompasses Batman, every victory from right back to when he was first created, yes he edges the win out, no denying that. But a lot of that stuff has been taken away and not the same (the problem is noone ever specifies which Batman we are seeing here, is it pre52 or New52? is it everything? it it older Bruce? is it the frozen aging Bruce?)
When a character gets retconned as hard as Batman (a good example Marvel side is Spidey who lost the whole "The Other" powers and thus his hardest fought victory against Morlan) you kind of have to define, which Bruce we are talking about...
Afterall if we go all encompassing in fights, he would never beat the likes of Cyclops or even come close to a draw with him (Cyclops became Dark Phoenix afterall that would be brought up everytime) Deadpool would have roflstomped him and he would have come against the Demon possessed Shadowland Daredevil instead of current Matt.

Anyone matched against Bruce tends to be taken from current continuity is my point, with Retcons considered and all in the arguments, every Bat argument...keeps absolutely every single aspect including the Bronze Age Batman that was nigh on unstoppable.

Better verification is needed before these fights, along with a bit of combatant "Tales of the Tape" before each voting, do that, less people will cry foul.

Um what the hell are you talking about? Batman was far weaker in the Bronze age,this is normal Batman vs normal Winter Soldier,simple as that,where do Phoenix Cyclops or Shadlowland DD figure in to the equation? they only got those upgrades for ONE story for plot purposes and after that were back to normal.

All your posts come down to you accusing others of doing things that they haven't done,no one has brought up the prep argument,no one has used Batman's PIS moments,no one has talked about Silver age feats,it's you JUST YOU. Ironic really,seeing as you're doing exactly with Bucky when you talk about all his supposed experience,Batman's prep is exaggerated but it is an actual factor, same cant be said for Bucky killing a few fodder politicians in the course of a few decades,some experience.

@lvenger said:

@entropy_aegis: Now I wouldn't say Batman wins 10/10. Bucky has plenty of advantages that will make it a closely fought fight such as better physical stats, good marksmanship, offensive weaponry and good tech to keep Batman at bay. These advantages are enough to make Batman fight very hard to gain a majority.

@redroomwriter Now come on, you're just making yourself seem just as bad as any over zealous Bat fanboy with the whining and the popularity contest complaint. If you actually read the article Gregg has written, you'd see your errors in your complaints. As for your analysis, though I don't feel like getting too much into its errors, Bucky does not actually have more experience than Batman. Remember that he was cryogenically frozen and only brought out to serve on certain black ops missions. That's why he's still so young. Technically, he doesn't actually have more experience than Batman I'm afraid. Batman has more feats and demonstrable skill feats too. Even Winter Soldier experts such as Slim have admitted Bucky can't take a majority over Batman. And when guys like that weigh in, it's important to take note of their views.

I'd say Batman can comfortably win 10/10,Bucky hasn't beaten a single fighter on Batman's level even when the circumstances were stacked in his favour,he lost to Cap in his first ever appearance as WS quite easily,Batman has superior skill,physicals,smarts,weapons,stealth etc. He has every advantage you can think of in a combat scenario,Bucky became hot for a while thanks to the PIS Crossbones one shot which made people overestimate the efficiency of his arm.

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Oh look, the"Batman always wins cause he's popular brigade is back",hmmm if that's the case then why did he lose to Black Panther and Kraven? Batman beats Bucky cause Buck has nothing on him period.

Skills,smarts,physicals,equipment,stealth etc Batman HAS every advantage on him,as par the course the usual Bucky arguments are more or less"he's fought in wars,he kills" completely and utterly irrelevant.

Because Black Panther is better than Batman in every way, and is more badass :D

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@patrat18: so? it doesnt matter if he is batman or not. batman can be beaten by reed richards, bruce banner himself, spider man will over kill him.

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This isn't that surprising. Winter Soldier is a skilled killing machine but Batman's far more adaptable in terms of on sight analysis and diverting tactics. Bucky goes into a situation with the intent of killing a target by any means necessary where as Batman is there to diffuse the situation completely. On a physical level Bucky might have the advantage with the younger body and cyber arm but I'll bet his mental acuity is not on Batman's level. Age before beauty I say. Also Batman is super crazy. He seriously can not stand dudes who use guns for murder and when he sees Winter Soldier using guns like a trained assassin he'll lose his freaking mind. He simply would not stop until he beats Bucky unconscious with his own fists.

I imagine Batman getting into his head. He could puzzle out from the mixed fighting styles of American and Soviet forces that Bucky is a former child soldier turned traitor. He can use that against him vocally and enough insight on Bucky's past would throw the Winter Soldier off his game. A moment's hesitation is all it would take for Batman to disable Barnes and then proceed to help free him from his servitude of the true enemy. When the threat is over they join forces and fight crime as Batman and Batclaw or something.

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@lvenger said:

@entropy_aegis: Now I wouldn't say Batman wins 10/10. Bucky has plenty of advantages that will make it a closely fought fight such as better physical stats, good marksmanship, offensive weaponry and good tech to keep Batman at bay. These advantages are enough to make Batman fight very hard to gain a majority.

@redroomwriter Now come on, you're just making yourself seem just as bad as any over zealous Bat fanboy with the whining and the popularity contest complaint. If you actually read the article Gregg has written, you'd see your errors in your complaints. As for your analysis, though I don't feel like getting too much into its errors, Bucky does not actually have more experience than Batman. Remember that he was cryogenically frozen and only brought out to serve on certain black ops missions. That's why he's still so young. Technically, he doesn't actually have more experience than Batman I'm afraid. Batman has more feats and demonstrable skill feats too. Even Winter Soldier experts such as Slim have admitted Bucky can't take a majority over Batman. And when guys like that weigh in, it's important to take note of their views.

Winter Soldier was cryogenically frozen during mission downtimes in the late 1960's (Marvel timeline) due to concerns over the mental conditioning weakening, thus his Handlers were afraid of him slipping the leash, this means he was active for 20 + years before becoming a "popsickle"
This does not mean Bucky festered, he, like Cap didn't age and kept at his peak of training, but we could go on this all day so I'll just go onto the flaw with these "Battles" namely Batside.
The problem with a lot of Batmans greatest achievements? Retcons.
Now it's true if you take everything that encompasses Batman, every victory from right back to when he was first created, yes he edges the win out, no denying that. But a lot of that stuff has been taken away and not the same (the problem is noone ever specifies which Batman we are seeing here, is it pre52 or New52? is it everything? it it older Bruce? is it the frozen aging Bruce?)
When a character gets retconned as hard as Batman (a good example Marvel side is Spidey who lost the whole "The Other" powers and thus his hardest fought victory against Morlan) you kind of have to define, which Bruce we are talking about...
Afterall if we go all encompassing in fights, he would never beat the likes of Cyclops or even come close to a draw with him (Cyclops became Dark Phoenix afterall that would be brought up everytime) Deadpool would have roflstomped him and he would have come against the Demon possessed Shadowland Daredevil instead of current Matt.

Anyone matched against Bruce tends to be taken from current continuity is my point, with Retcons considered and all in the arguments, every Bat argument...keeps absolutely every single aspect including the Bronze Age Batman that was nigh on unstoppable.

Better verification is needed before these fights, along with a bit of combatant "Tales of the Tape" before each voting, do that, less people will cry foul.

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@entropy_aegis: Now I wouldn't say Batman wins 10/10. Bucky has plenty of advantages that will make it a closely fought fight such as better physical stats, good marksmanship, offensive weaponry and good tech to keep Batman at bay. These advantages are enough to make Batman fight very hard to gain a majority.

@redroomwriter Now come on, you're just making yourself seem just as bad as any over zealous Bat fanboy with the whining and the popularity contest complaint. If you actually read the article Gregg has written, you'd see your errors in your complaints. As for your analysis, though I don't feel like getting too much into its errors, Bucky does not actually have more experience than Batman. Remember that he was cryogenically frozen and only brought out to serve on certain black ops missions. That's why he's still so young. Technically, he doesn't actually have more experience than Batman I'm afraid. Batman has more feats and demonstrable skill feats too. Even Winter Soldier experts such as Slim have admitted Bucky can't take a majority over Batman. And when guys like that weigh in, it's important to take note of their views.

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I hate how many people think BM would beat Cap, when Cap is pretty much just as big a badass hand to hand as BM is, but Cap has powers. Stop saying he doesn't either, and that he's just at human peak. He's been shown to pick up whole trees and no one can do that with out powers. Or jump a hundred feet up or forward either. His speed too. But Bucky just has the arm. anyone who thinks he can beat BM is just an idiot. Im not even voting. I like BM more then both, but he beats Bucky, and loses to Cap.

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@entropy_aegis: @redroomwriter: I see this as a 5/10 and that's because while bats has beaten thugs who kill Bucky is NOT a random thug, bats is not stronger, see: bionic arm, not faster see: infinity formula, not more skilled since even though he fought in wars I will not use that for bucky but before he became cap's sidekick he trained with British govt, correct me if am wrong then came back to further train with the Russian govt in defeating super-humans. Now bane beat batman in a random encounter but he prepared but if bane shows anything it's that while bats is good and wins he can also lose now bats is deinitely smarter than bucky so as said 5/10.

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@redroomwriter said:
@entropy_aegis said:

Oh look, the"Batman always wins cause he's popular brigade is back",hmmm if that's the case then why did he lose to Black Panther and Kraven? Batman beats Bucky cause Buck has nothing on him period.

Skills,smarts,physicals,equipment,stealth etc Batman HAS every advantage on him,as par the course the usual Bucky arguments are more or less"he's fought in wars,he kills" completely and utterly irrelevant.

You sound like you never read a single book with Winter Soldier in....Bucky has:

-Lifetime of experience of War, Espionage, Assassination, everything Cloak & Dagger Bucky has done.

-Trained with Captain America (was his partner), Black Widow, Red Guardian, etc

-Expert information gatherer.

-Delt with a much more varying range of opponents and fought several heroes at the same time 3 of which are super powered (Wolverine, Daredevil, Hawkeye and Captain America) he took Wolverine down instantly, Clint was a null factor and Daredevil was in all kinds of trouble, Cap had to blindside him.

Yes it was a clear Bias post you made, a clear Batfan post, Bucky isn't a slouch and would give Batman a real run for his money.

The reason Batman lost to Kraven, Black Panther & Wolverine (Bucky beat Wolverine in canon by the way) is quite simple, there was absolutely no possible argument that could be pulled out such as "Preptime" or "Experience" the fact they HAVE been used as the excuse for Batmans win over Winter Soldier once again shows two things:

-Batfans don't research and use "Preptime" and "Experience" as a crutch

-Batfans forget he has weaknesses that can be openly exploited, He Is Still a Man.

Oh and yes the fact that Bucky is Cold and Efficent in battle matters a Lot more than you think, Batman uses Shadowgames, intimidation and fear, they are entirely ineffective against the Winter Soldier.

Edit: To Add, Bucky isn't just a "Normal Guy" now, he has taken the Infinity Formula which enhances the individuals healing factor, slows aging and puts them just above peak human capabilities, so yep, I believe I'm quite right to call BS on this one.

I've read plenty of Bucky comics(Brubakers entire run,and the WS series),if anything you're the one who clearly lacks Bucky knowledge,every single point you've brought up is essentially worthless and reeks wiki.Expert information gatherer,fighting wars,training with Cap etc seriously those are some of the most useless,generic traits ever,they actually do Bucky's capabilities a disservice,I could easily interpret that as Falcon or something.

Likewise you've got some nerve accusing others of being fanboys and using the prep card as a crutch when you're basically doing the same thing.Buck didn't land a single hit on DD in that fight you keep bragging about despite being prepared and bloodlusted,his killer instinct didn't prevent him from being one shotted by Cap,and he again had prep against Wolverine.When you get down to it every major Bucky feat has some some amounts of prep involved and he hasn't beaten a single top tier fighter in a random encounter.

Batman doesn't need prep,he can wreck Bucky in half a dozen different ways in a random encounter,Batman wins 10/10.

Batman is a man stronger,faster,smarter,more skilled than Bucky.

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What I liked with the mention at the bottom of this article was the Cyclops vs Batman where you had 2 verdicts. Comicvine verdict, and the voters verdict. and thats how it should be. a bi partisan look at the characters and how they stack up, while still giving the fans a say in who they think would win.

cause to me, im so sick of batman id rather see bruce wayne beaten into a coma and staying there for the next 2 years and let Dick take over again. but thats me.

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@redroomwriter: I don't agree with all of your points at all but there is little need to debate each one. You seem to be setting up your own rules for the match which in no way represent the battle between these two characters per the standard fight rules. This is a random encounter and yet you make mention of Winter Soldier using Batman's past against him?! How would that work since they don't know each other? It seems like you altered the entire setup of the fight simply so you could try to pull a win out for a character that you like better. In essence, you turned it into your one-man-vote popularity contest.

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@redroomwriter: A lot of generalizations going on there... Prep time isnt used as a crutch at all, it's just something batman is great at and is used in arguments. People just get upset and lose their patience when that word is used for batman for some reason.

Batman has dealt with much more than a bionic arm and enhancements before (bane, mr.freeze), so Bucky shouldnt be a problem honestly. The part about him eing cold and efficient does not matter very much as batman fights people every night who are trying kill him, cold, dirty fighters like Bucky.

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Knew it. lol

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@entropy_aegis said:

Oh look, the"Batman always wins cause he's popular brigade is back",hmmm if that's the case then why did he lose to Black Panther and Kraven? Batman beats Bucky cause Buck has nothing on him period.

Skills,smarts,physicals,equipment,stealth etc Batman HAS every advantage on him,as par the course the usual Bucky arguments are more or less"he's fought in wars,he kills" completely and utterly irrelevant.

You sound like you never read a single book with Winter Soldier in....Bucky has:

-Lifetime of experience of War, Espionage, Assassination, everything Cloak & Dagger Bucky has done.

-Trained with Captain America (was his partner), Black Widow, Red Guardian, etc

-Expert information gatherer.

-Delt with a much more varying range of opponents and fought several heroes at the same time 3 of which are super powered (Wolverine, Daredevil, Hawkeye and Captain America) he took Wolverine down instantly, Clint was a null factor and Daredevil was in all kinds of trouble, Cap had to blindside him.

Yes it was a clear Bias post you made, a clear Batfan post, Bucky isn't a slouch and would give Batman a real run for his money.

The reason Batman lost to Kraven, Black Panther & Wolverine (Bucky beat Wolverine in canon by the way) is quite simple, there was absolutely no possible argument that could be pulled out such as "Preptime" or "Experience" the fact they HAVE been used as the excuse for Batmans win over Winter Soldier once again shows two things:

-Batfans don't research and use "Preptime" and "Experience" as a crutch

-Batfans forget he has weaknesses that can be openly exploited, He Is Still a Man.

Oh and yes the fact that Bucky is Cold and Efficent in battle matters a Lot more than you think, Batman uses Shadowgames, intimidation and fear, they are entirely ineffective against the Winter Soldier.

Edit: To Add, Bucky isn't just a "Normal Guy" now, he has taken the Infinity Formula which enhances the individuals healing factor, slows aging and puts them just above peak human capabilities, so yep, I believe I'm quite right to call BS on this one.

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Bucky can't take Bruce

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Oh look, the"Batman always wins cause he's popular brigade is back",hmmm if that's the case then why did he lose to Black Panther and Kraven? Batman beats Bucky cause Buck has nothing on him period.

Skills,smarts,physicals,equipment,stealth etc Batman HAS every advantage on him,as par the course the usual Bucky arguments are more or less"he's fought in wars,he kills" completely and utterly irrelevant.

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@scodiac said:

Yeah Batman is popular... He's also Batman. He would win.

@techherofan said:

People are really taking this Bat wins solely on popularity a bit to far almost as bad as Bats always wins with prep time.It's a contest more people are likely to pick a side rather then to close to call.

@m3th said:

Here's a prediction next montH Batman wins the majority votes. XD

-ABstract4$$#073-

@medulaoblaganda said:

i knew batman would win because of is popularity. if written well bucky takes this.

@scodiac said:

Yeah Batman is popular... He's also Batman. He would win.

@turel_hash_ak_gik said:

gee the popularity contest ..... um i mean battle was won by batman. shocker.

The list goes on and on.

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Time to disect this clear "Popular Vote" win and not a "skill battle"

Prep time: Both candidates have demonstrated skill in this area, Batman is of course legendary for prep time but Bucky has shown capable of handling himself against Marvels preptime counterpart of Batman Dr Doom, Batman has the edge on preptime however.

Batman: 1 Winter Soldier: 0

Combat Experience: Batman despite being a master of multiple martial arts does indeed NOT have the same combat experience as the Winter Soldier, Bucky fought in WWII and remained active throughout the Cold War Crisis, operating as a Soviet assassin and Red Room Training instructor, he even trained a secret squadron of Assassins that he hunted down and beat in combat (Project Zephyr)

Batman has zero wartime experience and his Stealth advantage does NOT come into play either for Bucky is himself a master of using Stealth and Gurrella warfare tactics to his advantage. The Winter Soldier has the Edge.

Batman: 1 Winter Soldier: 1

Equipment: This is equal despite "Bruces millions" Winter Soldier has every piece of SHIELD technology at his disposal from the advanced Camotech belt (that would allow Bucky to take on the appearance and even vocal traits of somebody like Jim Gordon) to tracking devices, stealth jets and other paraphinalia.

Bruce relies on his utility belt and prep time, Bucky is classed "Dead" and a hard man to find, so he would have to go on what few records exist of Winter Soldier, he would be able to deal with his Bionic but would not know about his Personalised Palm Print Luger (It's one of a kind) SHIELD don't leave papertrails...Bruce however does, Bucky could obtain the Batsuit schematics and use them against Bruce.

Neither really gets the edge here, it's a fair trade so neither scores a point.

Mental state: Bruce isn't mentally stable, sorry Batfans but anyone that would let the a homicidial maniac like the Joker live as long as he has...well they got something seriously wrong upstairs and his no kill rule is definatley going to be a HUGE hinderance against Bucky who has no such issues.

Bucky also has issues, but they are more on the emotional spectrum, something which has been shown to be able to overcome (believe me Bruce does NOT want to use Natasha against Bucky, that would be a mistake and really slide the scale out of his favor) he isn't afraid to take life, killing was his career for the best part of his life so it's more like an on and off switch.

Bucky could easily use Bruces past as a weapon against the Caped crusader, Bruce could use Natasha but it'll only drive Bucky to deeper lengths to get his man. Winter Soldier gets the edge.

Batman: 1 Winter Soldier: 2

Final conclusion:

Whereas Batman has the edge on Preptime, he has NEVER fought anyone quite like the Winter Soldier, so he would not be truly prepared for what he would face. The closest was Ras Al Ghul who had the disadvantage through Age and Arrogance and Bane who infamously "Broke the Bat".

It wouldn't be a Cakewalk for Bucky, it'd be a tough fight...but it comes down to this.

Bucky has fought in wars, has litterally half a century of combat experience under his belt, he has fought against every type of foe imaginable and has come out on top (except for Fear Itself but this was Bucky being an Avenger, not being the Winter Soldier) he like Batman is at home in the Shadows, in solitude...but the difference maker...

Bucky wouldn't hesitate to put a bullet between Bruces eyes, he wouldn't even give it a moments thought, something Batman has NEVER delt with is a foe that won't take a second guess, if he believes putting Bruce down would be for the best, he will damn well do it....and he's skilled enough that Bruce would never see it coming.

The Palm Print Luger could also come into play, there are NO schematics of the weapon in existence, it's one of a kind, Bruce wouldn't get chance to study it, if he tried to disarm it, he WOULD lose his hand.

So this one Belongs to the Winter Soldier....sorry Batman cannot win them all.

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@veshark said:

Great write-up and Viner Argument, it's a logical result.

@slimj87d Did Bucky actually kill Ursa, though? Because the narration kind of implies that he just knocked the bear out?

NVM, I misread that last line.

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Winter Soldier vs Nightwing would be more

Appropriate I think.

In that case I'd have to give Bucky a slight edge.

Winter Soldier outclasses Nightwing, I don't think it would be that close at all. Nightwing and Hawkeye would be a closer fight IMO.

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Winter Soldier vs Nightwing would be more

Appropriate I think.

In that case I'd have to give Bucky a slight edge.

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Great write-up and Viner Argument, it's a logical result.

@slimj87d Did Bucky actually kill Ursa, though? Because the narration kind of implies that he just knocked the bear out?

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People are really taking this Bat wins solely on popularity a bit to far almost as bad as Bats always wins with prep time.It's a contest more people are likely to pick a side rather then to close to call.

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Here's a prediction next montH Batman wins the majority votes. XD

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@dcfox said:

While he may not be able to beat Batman, I'm sure Winter Soldier could kick Nightwing's ass.

Although Nightwing was Batman at one point.

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While he may not be able to beat Batman, I'm sure Winter Soldier could kick Nightwing's ass.

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he defeat jason todd and he could defeat winter solider

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I would say Batman would win. but it would be close

I like Winter Soldiers chances. especially with the cybernetic arm edge

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@k4tzm4n: The comment of the week was partially in response to me

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Just asking but does the argument "Batman is more popular so his greater number of fans makes sure he wins" always show up in these contests that are voted on? lol

I knew he would win btw.

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What is it about Batman that always brings out the "he won because he's popular" argument? Yes, he's popular. He's also extremely effective. I'd get it if it was "Batman vs Blue Marvel" or something silly like that, but is it really that extraordinary to think he can take Bucky Barnes?

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