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Batman Battle of the Month Results: Winter Soldier vs. Batman

The Dark Knight takes on the Winter Soldier. Who do we think would win? Who did the Comic Vine community side with? Come check out the verdict and a highlight from the debate!

This month, Batman's abilities are being tested against the man who once wielded the shield: James Buchanan "Bucky" Barnes. Since the poll was created on Monday, 400+ Viners voted and there were a lot of superb posts praising both characters. Well, the poll is now locked and the community has spoken: Batman wins. Gotham's hero took 64% of the votes while the Winter Soldier earned 31%. 5% of voters thought this match had the potential to go either way and voted too close to call.

The community thinks Bruce defeats James, but do I agree? Let's go ahead and take a look at the advantages, shall we?

First and foremost, there's no denying Bucky's a formidable hand-to-hand combatant. While it's not clear just not many styles he knows, he's been able to hang with highly talented individuals and overcome some tough challenges with relative ease. When it comes to martial arts, Bucky may not be among the absolute best in his universe, but he's damn good. Throw in the fact he won't mind using dirtier tactics and he should absolutely not be underestimated in this regard. But at the end of the day, there just isn't enough to justify Bucky being Bruce's equal in unarmed combat. There's certainly no shame in that, though, seeing as Bruce has mastered 127 styles and is without question among the best in his respective universe.

While Bruce would of course take a majority of victories in a purely unarmed battle, this isn't a simple melee and Bucky has one key variable: his cybernetic arm. One clean hit from this arm with superhuman-strength could be exactly what James needs to take the edge. Moreover, it can release a powerful electric attack or even an EMP (which could potentially disable some of Bruce's gear, but in turn, Bruce's EMP holds the potential to shutdown Bucky's arm, too). We all know Batman's cowl is insulated from electric attacks, but as recently proven by Wrath, a powerful enough attack can still indeed faze the hero. After researching, I was unable to find exactly how many watts Bucky releases with this attack, but it's fair to speculate this has the potential to, at the very least, momentarily stun Bruce. When you're dealing with someone who will do whatever it takes to win, even the slightest opening can serve as a game changer. This can open the window to land a hit with his cybernatic arm or even use his high caliber pistol. Batman's cowl is bulletproof, but a hit from that modified S.H.I.E.L.D. pistol is sure to be felt in close proximity. Batman is by no means an easy character to shoot, but it is worth noting that Bucky's a very formidable marksman. With little time to respond, he's been able to catch and even shoot down numerous arrows fired by Clint Barton and blast away Daredevil's billy club. He may not hit Bruce at a distance in this environment, but if anything, he's sure to keep him on his toes.

Bucky's equipment can serve as massive wildcards, but if we're talking gear, Bruce is hardly lacking in that regard, either. While it's nonsensical to believe he'll have every piece of gear we've seen him use throughout the decades, he still has a commendable amount of options on him at all times, and quite a few could definitely impact his opponent's performance (though smoke/stealth is unlikely since Bucky's mask can generate a 3D map of the entire location and see his targets). When it comes to gear and equipment, the Caped Crusader plainly has more options to utilize as the fight progresses.

In the end, this comes down to the simple fact that Batman does indeed possess a skill advantage and has a more than wealthy variety of gear at his disposal which can turn the tide. It won't be any easy or even short fight -- not at all -- but ultimately, I agree with the majority that the Dark Knight has what it takes to eventually triumph in a fight that would be well worth witnessing.

Viner Argument of the Week for Batman is by SlimJ87D

"He [Bucky] really isn't just a guy with a gun, he is capable of using it WHILE performing H2H combat. He's also shot out projectiles from Hawkeye and Daredevil. Hawkeye had shot 3 arrows behind Bucky's back and Bucky shot them all out in mid air. He's also capable of catching Hawkeyes arrows with both arms. He shot Daredevil's Eskrima sticks when Daredevil threw them.

So I think the gun can be used pretty well offensively, a lot of Batman's batarangs could be caught and thrown right back at him, even worse if Batman throws any tech lethal batarangs at Bucky, Bucky is fast enough to catch and return them just like he did to Hawkeyes explosive arrows when he caught and immediately threw them at Wolverine's torso. Again, I think their gear is pretty even.

Batman's stealth won't really work because again, he's up against someone that has sneaked around Doctor Doom's castle past all his security tech. He has snuck up on Wolverine 2 times and followed Wolverine around for months without Wolverine not even catching his scent. Lastly, his domino mask acts like a sonar just like Daredevil's ability to know where people are.

In the strength department, Bucky actually has the advantage here thanks to his metal arm. The other advantage is that Batman doesn't know Bucky's arm is a metal arm. Bucky's new arm actually is capable of jamming tech to give it off as a normal arm. It even looks and feels like a normal arm when he wants it to, giving off heat signatures like a normal arm as well.

Batman's main advantage would be his skill and years of experienced clocked in. He's fought and has a much larger number of feats compared to Bucky. He's also older than Bucky is and has evidence of more training than Bucky does. The importance in skill probably outweigh the difference in strength, but slightly due to the arm being an element of surprise.

This is why I give it to Batman 6/10 in a difficult fight. If Bucky had the SHIELD, then it would have been too close to call IMO because Bucky can throw the shield fast enough to slice through metal objects and is as skilled with it as Steve is, but unlike Steve he has been shown to use his fire arm very well with the SHIELD's trajectory of ricocheting around."

Want more Batman battles?

Next week will be a usual and Batman-free "Comic Vine Battle of the Week." Batman battles will only take place during the first week of each month. Additionally, the "Batman Battle of the Month" will soon begin to include Batman family characters instead of always being Batman. The detective will of course still be used from time to time, but we're going to give him a break once in awhile to let his cast of allies and villains shine. For example, next month could potentially be Nightwing vs ___, Joker vs. ___, etc. Anyhow, check the homepage Monday to see who's brawling in the next Comic Vine Battle of the Week, mon ami. Oh, and do try to have a good weekend!

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Posted by turel_hash_ak_gik

gee the popularity contest ..... um i mean battle was won by batman. shocker.

Posted by jwalser3

Shocker.

Edited by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

Didn't see this one coming.

Posted by Lvenger

Nice to see you plan to use the wider range of Batman's family Gregg. And some nice analysis and arguments from you and @slimj87d too.

Posted by zac0987

winter soldier

Posted by evilvegeta74

gee the popularity contest ..... um i mean battle was won by batman. shocker.

Quite often.

Posted by SavageDragon

Edited by TheHeat

Say it isn't so...

Posted by AllStarSuperman

gee the popularity contest ..... um i mean battle was won by batman. shocker.

this, but winter soldier did better then I thought

Posted by evilvegeta74

@lvenger said:

Nice to see you plan to use the wider range of Batman's family Gregg. And some nice analysis and arguments from you and @slimj87d too.

They cheated! Just kidding!

Posted by Scodiac

Yeah Batman is popular... He's also Batman. He would win.

Posted by k4tzm4n

Love how the comments reveal who's actually read the article.

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Posted by evilvegeta74

@turel_hash_ak_gik said:

gee the popularity contest ..... um i mean battle was won by batman. shocker.

this, but winter soldier did better then I thought

Agreed!

Posted by resurrectionist
Edited by ptigrusmagus

turel_hash_ak_gik: I must have missed your opinion on this battle. Don't see it on the original post or the voting post. Since you neglected to offer your opinion, only a snide remark, are we to assume you believe Batman is so tough he will always win no matter what? Yes? Alright cool, that's the way I took your comment and couldn't agree more. Trolls....

Posted by BR_Havoc

Yeah I will go ahead and call bull on this one. Ruthless Winter Solider would kill Batman.

Posted by Lvenger

@k4tzm4n said:

Love how the comments reveal who's actually read the article.

QFT. People always jump to conclusions in this article of yours and never read the fineprint.

Posted by _Higgins_

Posted by War Killer

Joker VS. Green Goblin (Normal Osborn) would be interesting.

Posted by MuyJingo

I read the article...and well yeah, this seemed like kind of an obvious win IMHO.

Essentially, if Bucky didn't have his arm then it wouldn't even be a fair battle...and the arm simply doesn't do enough to raise the stakes.

Interesting arguments were made all round though.

Posted by kaiklown

Really need to have variety of battles. Batman every other week is getting annoying.

Edited by Hawkguy

@kaiklown: See that word in the title... "Month"? You must have missed it chief, happens to the best of us.

Also, if you're so passionate about battles, there's an entire forum dedicated to it! Isnt that neat?

Posted by medulaoblaganda

i knew batman would win because of is popularity. if written well bucky takes this.

Posted by SlimJ87D

@k4tzm4n said:

Love how the comments reveal who's actually read the article.

Thanks for the mention. I appreciate it. I'm glad you keep a lot of the fights at street level as most of the feats are quantifiable and much easier to debate.

It is sad for me to say that my favorite character loses to another one of my top 5 DC characters, but there's no denying the mass amount of feats Batman has performed.

@muyjingo said:

I read the article...and well yeah, this seemed like kind of an obvious win IMHO.

Essentially, if Bucky didn't have his arm then it wouldn't even be a fair battle...and the arm simply doesn't do enough to raise the stakes.

Interesting arguments were made all round though.

Now now, I wouldn't say that. Bucky's capable of catching arrows fired by Hawkeye with his normal arm and with his metal arm depowered to no super strength, he did defeat and actually kill Ursa Major, a 15 tonner.

Against Giant Werebear (Ursa Major)

Bucky has been depowered, his arm set to a normal human's strength arm. He has not ate or slept well for days because of Gulag forcing him to fight in a Arena for 2 months against super powered foes. Here he is forced to fight and defeat a Werebear!

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Not many normal humans with good fighting capabilities are capable of killing a 15 tonner.

Edited by cmaprice

Also in the news: water is wet.

Seriously, Dick Batman vs Bucky Cap would've been a better match.

Posted by cascadeking09

@k4tzm4n said:

Love how the comments reveal who's actually read the article.

What do you mean?

Edited by laflux

@k4tzm4n:

Excellent work as always Gregg.

Posted by Vaeternus

So much hatred for Batsy lol. Too funny.

Edited by RedheadedAtrocitus

Hehe awesome.

Posted by PeppeyHare

Lol popularity aside Batman would logically win this. Good to know most people didnt read the article

Posted by Master_Thief

@war_killer: yeah two characters who always come back from the dead

Edited by turel_hash_ak_gik

@ptigrusmagus: yes you are but i dont mind. keep doing what you like.

Posted by Kerrigan

What is it about Batman that always brings out the "he won because he's popular" argument? Yes, he's popular. He's also extremely effective. I'd get it if it was "Batman vs Blue Marvel" or something silly like that, but is it really that extraordinary to think he can take Bucky Barnes?

Edited by Grimoire

Just asking but does the argument "Batman is more popular so his greater number of fans makes sure he wins" always show up in these contests that are voted on? lol

I knew he would win btw.

Edited by RazzaTazz

@k4tzm4n: The comment of the week was partially in response to me

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Posted by apg103

I would say Batman would win. but it would be close

I like Winter Soldiers chances. especially with the cybernetic arm edge

Posted by Batmanx2005

he defeat jason todd and he could defeat winter solider

Edited by dcfox

While he may not be able to beat Batman, I'm sure Winter Soldier could kick Nightwing's ass.

Posted by Caladorcp
@dcfox said:

While he may not be able to beat Batman, I'm sure Winter Soldier could kick Nightwing's ass.

Although Nightwing was Batman at one point.

Posted by M3th

Here's a prediction next montH Batman wins the majority votes. XD

-ABstract4$$#073-

Edited by Techherofan

People are really taking this Bat wins solely on popularity a bit to far almost as bad as Bats always wins with prep time.It's a contest more people are likely to pick a side rather then to close to call.

Posted by Veshark

Great write-up and Viner Argument, it's a logical result.

@slimj87d Did Bucky actually kill Ursa, though? Because the narration kind of implies that he just knocked the bear out?

Edited by Extremis

Winter Soldier vs Nightwing would be more

Appropriate I think.

In that case I'd have to give Bucky a slight edge.

Posted by SlimJ87D

@veshark said:

Great write-up and Viner Argument, it's a logical result.

@slimj87d Did Bucky actually kill Ursa, though? Because the narration kind of implies that he just knocked the bear out?

NVM, I misread that last line.

@extremis said:

Winter Soldier vs Nightwing would be more

Appropriate I think.

In that case I'd have to give Bucky a slight edge.

Winter Soldier outclasses Nightwing, I don't think it would be that close at all. Nightwing and Hawkeye would be a closer fight IMO.

Posted by RedRoomWriter

Time to disect this clear "Popular Vote" win and not a "skill battle"

Prep time: Both candidates have demonstrated skill in this area, Batman is of course legendary for prep time but Bucky has shown capable of handling himself against Marvels preptime counterpart of Batman Dr Doom, Batman has the edge on preptime however.

Batman: 1 Winter Soldier: 0

Combat Experience: Batman despite being a master of multiple martial arts does indeed NOT have the same combat experience as the Winter Soldier, Bucky fought in WWII and remained active throughout the Cold War Crisis, operating as a Soviet assassin and Red Room Training instructor, he even trained a secret squadron of Assassins that he hunted down and beat in combat (Project Zephyr)

Batman has zero wartime experience and his Stealth advantage does NOT come into play either for Bucky is himself a master of using Stealth and Gurrella warfare tactics to his advantage. The Winter Soldier has the Edge.

Batman: 1 Winter Soldier: 1

Equipment: This is equal despite "Bruces millions" Winter Soldier has every piece of SHIELD technology at his disposal from the advanced Camotech belt (that would allow Bucky to take on the appearance and even vocal traits of somebody like Jim Gordon) to tracking devices, stealth jets and other paraphinalia.

Bruce relies on his utility belt and prep time, Bucky is classed "Dead" and a hard man to find, so he would have to go on what few records exist of Winter Soldier, he would be able to deal with his Bionic but would not know about his Personalised Palm Print Luger (It's one of a kind) SHIELD don't leave papertrails...Bruce however does, Bucky could obtain the Batsuit schematics and use them against Bruce.

Neither really gets the edge here, it's a fair trade so neither scores a point.

Mental state: Bruce isn't mentally stable, sorry Batfans but anyone that would let the a homicidial maniac like the Joker live as long as he has...well they got something seriously wrong upstairs and his no kill rule is definatley going to be a HUGE hinderance against Bucky who has no such issues.

Bucky also has issues, but they are more on the emotional spectrum, something which has been shown to be able to overcome (believe me Bruce does NOT want to use Natasha against Bucky, that would be a mistake and really slide the scale out of his favor) he isn't afraid to take life, killing was his career for the best part of his life so it's more like an on and off switch.

Bucky could easily use Bruces past as a weapon against the Caped crusader, Bruce could use Natasha but it'll only drive Bucky to deeper lengths to get his man. Winter Soldier gets the edge.

Batman: 1 Winter Soldier: 2

Final conclusion:

Whereas Batman has the edge on Preptime, he has NEVER fought anyone quite like the Winter Soldier, so he would not be truly prepared for what he would face. The closest was Ras Al Ghul who had the disadvantage through Age and Arrogance and Bane who infamously "Broke the Bat".

It wouldn't be a Cakewalk for Bucky, it'd be a tough fight...but it comes down to this.

Bucky has fought in wars, has litterally half a century of combat experience under his belt, he has fought against every type of foe imaginable and has come out on top (except for Fear Itself but this was Bucky being an Avenger, not being the Winter Soldier) he like Batman is at home in the Shadows, in solitude...but the difference maker...

Bucky wouldn't hesitate to put a bullet between Bruces eyes, he wouldn't even give it a moments thought, something Batman has NEVER delt with is a foe that won't take a second guess, if he believes putting Bruce down would be for the best, he will damn well do it....and he's skilled enough that Bruce would never see it coming.

The Palm Print Luger could also come into play, there are NO schematics of the weapon in existence, it's one of a kind, Bruce wouldn't get chance to study it, if he tried to disarm it, he WOULD lose his hand.

So this one Belongs to the Winter Soldier....sorry Batman cannot win them all.

Edited by patrat18

@scodiac said:

Yeah Batman is popular... He's also Batman. He would win.

@techherofan said:

People are really taking this Bat wins solely on popularity a bit to far almost as bad as Bats always wins with prep time.It's a contest more people are likely to pick a side rather then to close to call.

@m3th said:

Here's a prediction next montH Batman wins the majority votes. XD

-ABstract4$$#073-

@medulaoblaganda said:

i knew batman would win because of is popularity. if written well bucky takes this.

@scodiac said:

Yeah Batman is popular... He's also Batman. He would win.

@turel_hash_ak_gik said:

gee the popularity contest ..... um i mean battle was won by batman. shocker.

The list goes on and on.

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Posted by entropy_aegis

Oh look, the"Batman always wins cause he's popular brigade is back",hmmm if that's the case then why did he lose to Black Panther and Kraven? Batman beats Bucky cause Buck has nothing on him period.

Skills,smarts,physicals,equipment,stealth etc Batman HAS every advantage on him,as par the course the usual Bucky arguments are more or less"he's fought in wars,he kills" completely and utterly irrelevant.

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