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Batman Battle of the Month RESULTS: Batman vs. X-23

Can the Dark Knight defeat the lethal Marvel character or will those adamantium claws be the last thing he sees? The staff and community share their thoughts!

Every month, we put Batman's abilities to the test (or someone in the bat universe -- be it hero or villain). We all know Batman knows the strengths and weaknesses of so many characters in his own universe, but what happens when he's forced to face someone he knows nothing about? That's exactly what goes down in this feature, and so far he has 6 victories, 3 defeats and 2 matches that are deemed too close to call. So, how will he fare against his latest opponent, Laura Kinney aka X-23? The poll was posted on Monday and since then, 392 people have voted and there's been 5 pages of very thorough debate. When the dust settles from this fight, 53% of the Comic Vine community thinks X-23 will be the winner!

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Batman put up one hell of a fight, though, earning 41% of the votes. 6% think this one has the potential to go either way and deemed it too close to call. So, why did the majority side with X-23? Let's quickly look at the basics, shall we?

X-23's bringing a few key advantages to this fight. First and foremost are her adamantium claws. Unlike her genetic twin, Wolverine, Laura only has this very durable substance laced on her claws. This means they'll have no problem slicing through Batman's armor if she lands a clean connect and one solid strike could be very bad news for Bruce. Additionally, Laura has an adamantium-laced claw on each of her feet. She tends to reserve these as a surprise attack, and despite Batman's gifted mind, this is a huge wildcard if she decides to unsheathe them while they're engaged in a frenetic, close-combat battle. Laura obviously isn't as skilled as Bruce, but she's been rigorously trained to be a swift and efficient killer. She may not go for the kill or a critical strike right away, but she's certainly not very restrained compared to many heroes, either. One clean connect with any of these sharp weapons could be a game changer.

"If Batman is more skilled, how can she tag him?" Good question. It was rude to interrupt like that, but a good question nonetheless. While Batman undoubtedly has the technical edge, Laura's physicals -- impressive speed, durability, and healing factor -- means she can endure much of what Batman dishes out. Be it his feet, fists, batarangs, tasers, or something else, Laura's been able to tolerate a shocking amount of damage over the years. Batman definitely can incapacitate her, but it wouldn't be an easy feat. It may take her some time to land the strike she needs to earn the victory, but it's most certainly not a far-fetched concept to think she could eventually have that opening. She may not be as skilled as the Dark Knight, but she's far from incompetent when it comes to fighting skill.

When all is said and done, the community decided to side with Laura's sharp claws, healing factor and more lethal mentality over Batman's tactical mind, sheer skill and variety of equipment. There was a great discussion on this fight over in the poll thread, so let's take a look at praiseworthy posts that were made for both characters. Plus, Corey "Undeadpool" Schroeder explains how he think this fight would go down in the pages of a comic! Oh, and by the way, it seriously wasn't easy picking only two posts. There were a lot of fantastic posts made for both sides, so if you took the time to elaborate, thank you and you rock. Just keep in mind, a post doesn't need to be an essay to land a spot in here. Sometimes concise can be more effective. Anyway, let's check out these posts.

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The X-23 argument of the month is by Wolverine08

"Looking at things, I think I would have to back Laura for the majority here. Bruce does indisputably have the skill advantage in terms of raw technical skill, but I do think Laura has the means to compete. She's been able to defeat and stalemate fighters like Wolverine and Daken(Under circumstantial means no doubt, but still impressive), and is a rigorously trained combat herself. Laura even got a very decisive victory over Lady Deathstrike. She also has another edge here in terms of skill that I think will help her. In contrast to her father Wolverine whom is a more instinctual combatant, Laura is a more tactical adversary. She's taken advantage of Wolverine holding back on her to bleed his wounds out, has been noted on panel to know how to come up with a copious amount of ways to kill someone on the fly. She obviously isn't Batman's superior in this regard, but Laura using her tactical skill along with her other advantages like the healing factor and damage ouput via the claws is an advantage that shouldn't be forgotten.

The healing factor is another X factor here. Granted, since Laura does not have an adamantium skeleton, she can be injured in more ways to be injured, but her feats like surviving getting napalmed, reattaching limbs, tanking shark bites, etc. do lead me to believe that she can soak the equipment Bruce usually pops out to deal with street levelers at first glance. I do think that Laura's healing factor gives Bruce the advantage that he can let loose more, but I see him using lighter gear like tasers, low grade bombs, etc. at first since X-23 looks like a young girl, and Laura can soak gadgets like that in copious amounts due to her healing factor which is vaunted as being superior to that of even Wolverine's due to the lack of adamantium poisoning at first when he doesn't know the ludicrous extent of Laura's healing factor before he jumps to the heavy stuff in that belt.

I think Laura brings superior weaponry as well. The adamantium claws mean she can put more crippling damage at a higher rate on Bruce than I can see him replicating on here. She's got the speed that I would say is fairly comparable to Bruce's along with her ferocity to put damage on him in spades. Overall, this is a good matchup, but I think X-23's skill, durability/healing factor, and weaponry should net her a majority."

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The Batman Argument of the month is by Black_Arrow

"Close Battle.

Batman is one of the greatest fighters in Dc universe, he has proven his prowess fighting as equals enemies like Lady shiva, bronze tiger, David Cain. He has humiliated Green Arrow,Batwoman, Ras al ghul and Wildcat. He has train with Kirigi, Wildcat, Dragon, David Cain and Lady Shiva. He knows all fighting styles. He has achieved the peak human condition and with his training he has mastered his body. he can lift 1000 lbs and he can disappear in the blink of an eye, that makes him capable enough to fight X-23 for a long time. when he fights her,the first thing he is going to notice is that she is skilled because his fighting stance and then he is going to notice(because he is the world greatest Detective) that she has a huge healing factor, He is going to use the killing moves (as he did with the Talons) he has like the Leopard Blow of lady Shiva and the vibrating hand technique. He will use high voltage electricity and all the explosives he has at hand. Other big weapon that Batman has is Stealth if he finds himself really outmatched even with her enhanced senses, Batman has constantly disappear from people who has them. With stealth he could do his most power hit to her head.

Summarizing

Batman has:

  • More skill
  • More Intelligence
  • Better Equipment
  • More Experience

X-23 has:

  • Little better Speed and Strength
  • Adamantium Claws
  • Willing to kill
  • Huge healing factor

Batman wins 6/10 or is too close to call.

Great Battle."

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Fellow Comic Vine writer Corey "Undeadpool" Schroeder's shares his thoughts on this match

"It wasn't his usual M.O. to be summoned from his city, but this crime in particular had caught his attention. He'd heard about it before being called, but by the time he'd reached it, there was a makeshift bat symbol lighting up the cloudy night. When he arrived in New York, he wasn't precisely sure why he'd been summoned as the victim was...less a body and more a pile of parts and liquid.

"Whatever did this...wasn't human. It was clearly done with a series of deep, incredibly sharp claws." Zsasz is more graceful than this, he thought, this is the mark of a beast. No one was replying and when he looked up, he saw them recoiling from something, an almost a familiar shape, that staggered through the shadows. Batman activated his cowl's enhanced view and saw a young woman shaking her head, "It was...me...I did this...I'm...I didn't WANT to..." "Run..." he intoned to the police as he struck a defensive stance and addressed his attacker, "Listen...I'm not sure what this is all about, but it doesn't have to be this way. It's alright...I can get you help..." "There's...there's no helping me," she mumbled, scratching at her own face, "I can't..." he heard the sound of breaking glass and smelled an odd stench rise up nearby, "I CAN'T STOP KILLING!!!" the girl was still a teenager, but despite that she sprung forward, metallic claws jutting from the top of her hands as Batman tossed her aside, drawing a stun charge and tossing it. The girl leaped through the flash and the cloud and stuck her claws into the Dark Knight's sides, causing him to stagger back and toss her aside again after several hard strikes to her jaw and ribs.

His armor kept pressure on the wounds, but still he felt the blood flowing down his sides, shaking his head and punching her squarely in the face as she sprung again. The blow actually hurt through his impact gloves, shattering the mechanism and causing him to retreat back as she rolled and righted herself, snarling and scraping her claws against the concrete ground. The claws left indentations as she hurled herself only tangentially at the Bat, springing off a nearby wall and pouncing on him, slashing and stabbing, drawing more red lines before he threw her off, jamming a taser into her side, causing her to flop aside before he grappled her arms to the ground, standing above her and shaking his head.

"You're being used...I need to run some tests, but it seems that there's a scent that-" his speech was cut off when a claw extended from the girl's foot and stabbed into his leg, causing blood to spurt from it. He held the wound as a form advanced from a nearby alley. The familiar dark, rictus grin of a black skull loomed over Batman as Roman Sionis clapped, hiding behind his irremovable black mask."Ohhhhh BATS...you are TOO easy...I mean, I had connections in this city that told me about THIS," he produced a vial, "that would make some crazy FREAK come out and do my dirty work, but even I couldn't tell ya how WELL it worked! I gotta say, once I get it back to Gotham-" Roman would never finish that thought as Batman tossed out a batarang, shattering the vial on Roman's hand..."Oh no.......OH NO!!!!" he frantically began to wipe the hand on the surrounding buildings, but the last thing Batman saw as his vision faded was the girl growling and slowly advancing on Black Mask, her claws deploying as he fired rounds uselessly from his sidearm. The Batman fired a grapnel to a rooftop, escaping the horrendous screams he heard fading as he left the streets and passed out as he saw the Batplane circling overhead."

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Want more Batman battles?

Check the homepage on March 3rd for an all-new Batman Battle of the Month! In the meantime, you'e welcome to make suggestions right here in the comments, in the official thread, or via Twitter.

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Why the bump?

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Batman starts off wrecking her but he can't really stop her

After awhile she lands some good hits and batman deteriorates from there

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@k4tzm4n said:

@javancain16 said:

I Don't Agree i feel like X-23 would win !!!!!

Uh... x-23 did win.

HAHA!

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I Don't Agree i feel like X-23 would win !!!!!

Uh... x-23 did win.

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I Don't Agree i feel like X-23 would win !!!!!

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@medulaoblaganda: lol Yeah , X-23 wins this one . But Bruce is going to win the next battle again . You'll see ! :)

Just for that, I'm making him fight The One Above All in the next segment.

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@muyjingo: but Batman lose because X 23 is very athletic and has incredibly healing factor

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NOOOO! I missed this!!!

Oh well, at least my girl won.

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@medulaoblaganda: lol Yeah , X-23 wins this one . But Bruce is going to win the next battle again . You'll see ! :)

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batman fans watch out!! lol. batman goes down at last. x 23 will gore him to death, not even funny. i will tell ya all the truth. x 23 is faster than wolverine, and more skilled than wolverine. the only advantage wolverine have his is strength. x 23 is faster, i mean much faster than batman, and more agile. batman would to stay away or else batman will die. period.

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X23 FTW

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A salute to X-23.

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BATMAN LOSERS

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Kinda gets on my nerves how Batman fans in general have a bad rep because of a few fundamentalists among us . Maybe I should change my avatar ....

First I wanted to make an argument in favor of Batman , saying that he could win this fight pretty easily if he uses tranqzuillizer darts / batarangs , which are low tech , he already used in year one and he probably carries around with him even when he doesn´t have prep time , but X-23 has a chemical immunity that would probably render this gadget useless .

So yeah , Batman would lose this one , which is not a shame since X-23 is pretty badass . I like the describtion of the fight by Corey xD Really awesome . The fight might even end a bit quicker , though if Batman thinks X-23 is just a Kid and tries to take her out with his tranquillizer Batarangs first like in my theory.

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@tbemrmccoy: the cryogenic would incapacitate. The eye slits have multiple wavelength scanning which can detect metal. And his gear would provide some protection from an indirect hit. Throw in his sonics trashing an attacker's balance and equilibrium, and you have a legit match. I still remember reading Wolverine fighting Sauron in a live volcano. The melting point of steel is less than that of lava. And that fight went on for a while. If I hear about how her HF is better because everyone says so one more time, I will spam demands for scans of her taking things that would KILL Wolverine. And we already know that her HF can be overtaxed. Some of the support for Laura seems like fan-crush. She is not in Logan's league. Stop showing panels of other characters saying so. And get the wolverine bone claw scans to compare.

BTW, the Sauron fight was during the Bone claw years.

No, it was not. I read that in the 1990s and thought it was current. Mundad must have raged. It looked new. Lol.

The sxanner is in his visor, and the cryo os standard in new 52. making Batman supporters not rabid fanboys. We are comic readers that have seen tools that could take down someone like Laura.

And Random thought for a battle, Captain Cold vs spiderman

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Tis a sad result. I probably should have made a good argument for Bats.

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@k4tzm4n: I hate you so much.

Ok. Maybe I should have said that it would split your head open like a bat would in the real world?

I dunno. Comics!

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@theheat said:

How is it that Batman would lose to X-23, yet defeat Deadpool? I think Deadpool would do more damage to Bats than X-23 would.

I'm now interested to see who people would expect to win in a fight between X-23 and Deadpool.

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@vmole: Even without a killers mentality any street leveler hit with the shield should go down. Imagine being hit with a baseball bat in the head. Yeah, it'd be worse then that.

@wolverine08: So she wins via the honeytrap tactical approach. I suppose it

makes sense. Though I think I still would give Bruce the majority myself.

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@vmole: Even without a killers mentality any street leveler hit with the shield should go down. Imagine being hit with a baseball bat in the head. Yeah, it'd be worse then that.

@wolverine08: So she wins via the honeytrap tactical approach. I suppose it makes sense. Though I think I still would give Bruce the majority myself.

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@risingbean: Eh, I think you need to look at things deeper than that. X-23 has some advantages over Batman that Cap doesn't. People already mentioned how Bruce might not unload every single heavy hitting gadget he has on Laura since she looks like a teenager, and won't know how much damage can kill her. She can also unlike Cap soak copious amounts of Bruce's lower grade gear due to the healing factor. I'd put my money on Cap over X-23 in a fight any day of the week, but I can see why people would say Laura beats Bats, but Steve doesn't.

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@vmole: with real world physics it would. Even with consistent comics physics. I mean he can decapitate a tank but can't kill a person by clobbering them in the head? Comics!

@wolverine08: Indeed. So it surprises me when people give 23 the majority and not Cap. It's sorta like a game of paper rock scissors.

lol I figured that the whole decap thing was because that Steve doesn't go in with a killer's mentality by default, so he typically doesn't swing with the requisite force to casually decap someone.

Now if it were morals off on the other hand, yeah, I can see that shield taking his head, and whatever else Batman tries to catch it with, off super easy.

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@theheat said:

How is it that Batman would lose to X-23, yet defeat Deadpool? I think Deadpool would do more damage to Bats than X-23 would.

Well, I'd recommend reading the article to see why I think Batman could take a slim majority over Wade instead of simply using ABC logic ;)

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@vmole: with real world physics it would. Even with consistent comics physics. I mean he can decapitate a tank but can't kill a person by clobbering them in the head? Comics!

@wolverine08: Indeed. So it surprises me when people give 23 the majority and not Cap. It's sorta like a game of paper rock scissors.

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You know what I don't get? How is it one clean connect from Wolverine or X-23 can be a game changer in peoples eyes when say a shield hit from Captain America won't be.

Just boggles my mind.

I didn't catch that part, I always assumed that a cleanly connected shield slap or throw would KO Batman just as much as a claw stab from Wolverine.

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@k4tzm4n: Many people really low ball the shield. It's quite ridiculous.

I'm with you on this one. Too close to call. Cap has the shield and the physicals while Batman has the technique and versatility in expanded gear. Flip a coin whenever they meet up.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think people often grasp just how dangerous a weapon the shield is. It's not a toy, it decapitates tank turrets on a regular day.

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@k4tzm4n: Many people really low ball the shield. It's quite ridiculous.

I'm with you on this one. Too close to call. Cap has the shield and the physicals while Batman has the technique and versatility in expanded gear. Flip a coin whenever they meet up.

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How is it that Batman would lose to X-23, yet defeat Deadpool? I think Deadpool would do more damage to Bats than X-23 would.

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@akbogert said:

@k4tzm4n said:

Laura obviously isn't as skilled as Bruce

And I declare shenanigans :P

Especially (and I just rechecked...as far as I can tell, you did not clarify) if we're talking New 52, because Bruce has not been Batman as long as Laura was in training, nevermind all her real-world missions and experience as well.

If we're talking pre-Flashpoint, that becomes a lot less disagreeable of a statement, but I still don't think "obviously" works. I guess that's the trouble with comparing apples and oranges though -- how you count "experience" or skill.

But like I said, especially if this was current Batman, Laura has like triple the years of experience.

Seeing as New 52 Batman's timeline is a hot mess and doesn't make all that much sense (he's been Batman for merely 5 years, yet Damian is 10? Say whaaaaa?), this segment takes pre-52 Batman's skill and experience into account unless the material has been blatantly stated as no longer being canon. Because, truth be told, they seem to be making adjustments as they go. For example, they say the events of Knightfall happened, so we know Batman has endured that ridiculous gauntlet with little sleep and such. Basically, it's for simplicity's sake because clearly, the first and foremost objective behind the New 52 was to grab new readers. Worrying about the technicalities behind what is and isn't canon for some seems to come later. However, I've always seen it as this Batman is supposed to be as skilled as smart as he should be. Sorry for not clarifying that in the article itself. As for me saying Batman is "obviously" more skilled, I mean in terms of hand-to-hand technique. He simply knows more and can apply more methods. Now, that's not a jab at X-23 by any means, because, like stated in the article, she's been trained to be swift and effective. But if we had to rank them in "fighting say" (say, like on a trading card), I think we can agree Bruce would have a higher ranking.

All the marvel people say that dc fans overate their hero's, but from looking at this I can say that it is even worse over at the marvel fan circle, other wise known as Apokolips. Saying that x-23 would beat Batman is like saying that Nightwing can beat Wolverine. It is so arrogant and if you have ever read a batman comic you would know that Batman has faced people who could take a nuclear explosion and survive, while Wolverine has trouble against a bunch of prehistoric birds.

Can we please stop this mentality when approaching battles?

  • Just because someone sides with a Marvel character doesn't mean they're on "team Marvel." It's possible to put favoritism aside and look purely at the pros and cons each bring to the table.
  • Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they haven't read "a Batman comic." If you think Batman wins, say why. Don't just complain and make baseless statements -- that proves nothing and will only get Viners to dogpile on your purposely offensive claims.
  • You have to see you're doing exactly what you're complaining about, right? You're saying people are underselling Batman, but then you're completely reducing Wolverine to someone who has trouble against dinosaurs -- not to mention he too has survived massive explosions.
  • Long story short: think Batman should win this? Say why. Vague insults aren't going to convince anyone and only hurt the quality of your post. We're talking about fictional characters fighting -- there's zero need to sling mud like that.

I really hate the anti Batman bias in the comicvine community and the weapon argument. It was the same thing when it was movie Batman vs. movie Dredd. "Dredds gun is too much for Batman to handle. He even has phosphor grenades." And this time its Laura's claws...

Batman wins: SICK OF BATMAN BIAS.

Batman loses: SICK OF ANTI-BATMAN BIAS.

He'll win some, he'll lose some. No need to throw around claims just because you're not happy with the result. The thought of him losing in a random encounter to someone like X-23 is hardly far-fetched. How about we be happy there was a good debate and it's at least fun to think about?

You know what I don't get? How is it one clean connect from Wolverine or X-23 can be a game changer in peoples eyes when say a shield hit from Captain America won't be.

Just boggles my mind.

People say that? I don't know anyone who thinks that Rogers landing a clean shield hit wouldn'tturn the fight in his favor. Sure, it may wouldn't KO Bruce (depending on where it hits, that is), but it certainly gives him a couple of seconds of advantage. In fact, I think I said something nearly identical to that when it was Batman vs. Cap and I called it too close to call for that very reason.

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@k4tzm4n said:

Laura obviously isn't as skilled as Bruce

And I declare shenanigans :P

Especially (and I just rechecked...as far as I can tell, you did not clarify) if we're talking New 52, because Bruce has not been Batman as long as Laura was in training, nevermind all her real-world missions and experience as well.

If we're talking pre-Flashpoint, that becomes a lot less disagreeable of a statement, but I still don't think "obviously" works. I guess that's the trouble with comparing apples and oranges though -- how you count "experience" or skill.

But like I said, especially if this was current Batman, Laura has like triple the years of experience.

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All the marvel people say that dc fans overate their hero's, but from looking at this I can say that it is even worse over at the marvel fan circle, other wise known as Apokolips. Saying that x-23 would beat Batman is like saying that Nightwing can beat Wolverine. It is so arrogant and if you have ever read a batman comic you would know that Batman has faced people who could take a nuclear explosion and survive, while Wolverine has trouble against a bunch of prehistoric birds.

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Batman uses his brains. beat the heck out of X-23. Batman uses KO gas

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BUT...BUT...he is batman...

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You know what I don't get? How is it one clean connect from Wolverine or X-23 can be a game changer in peoples eyes when say a shield hit from Captain America won't be.

Just boggles my mind.

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@redwingx said:

Batman is so overrated, he would easily lose to X-23. Like what could hurt her that Batman has? Her claws would slice his body apart in matters of seconds.

so so so utterly true :) been saying this for years

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I really hate the anti Batman bias in the comicvine community and the weapon argument. It was the same thing when it was movie Batman vs. movie Dredd. "Dredds gun is too much for Batman to handle. He even has phosphor grenades." And this time its Laura's claws...

Like he never fought someone with a high tech gun or claws before. He would stomp X-23 (and Dredd for that matter) pretty much every time. She has NOTHING he hasn't seen and dealt with before and beat much deadlier opponents on a first fight.

Also, the argument that some characters willing to kill is an advantage over the Bat is ridiculous. To be as skilled a fighter as Batman and then to use all those skills (which are all originally deadly forms of fighting) WITHOUT killing the opponent reauires a MUUUUUUUUUUUUCH higher skill level than people who are willing to kill.

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No! I can't see that pic! Put it away! Put it away! My eyes!! Nooooooo!!!

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Found this while surfing the web: five minutes ago

Batman the dark knight #1 has him using a multi wavelength scanner in his cowl to see a hidden safe through a painting. There was a lot of debate about Bats seeing Laura's metal claws before they fought. Not that it was going to change the outcome of the votes. Just saying even without prep Batman would not have a total blank to go against.

He was never known for just letting someone stab him. Making all the claws a semi known variable. He still would only find out how sharp they were by getting stabbed or deeply slashed.

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if Batman was at the start of his career then yeah i would say he would lose against X-23, but the man has been through a lot in his super hero career from facing white martians to fighting regenerative talons in the recent Court of Owls for people to say Batman is nothing his first encounters ludicrous. Its almost like Batman leaves the cave as a blank sheet of paper every night and have no on the fly adaptable against a new foe. Im pretty sure he earned the title "World's Greatest Detective" for a reason.

On a side note X-23 is one of my favorite female heroines and not to mention my gf favors her also so yaaay for Laura. I would to see how Laura would fair against Captain America or Black Panther.