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Batman Battle of the Month RESULTS: Batman vs. Snake Eyes

Can the Dark Knight defeat the deadly G.I. Joe? Voting has come to an end and the Comic Vine community has picked a winner.

Last month, Batman was defeated by X-23. This month, Bruce Wayne is going toe-to-toe with yet another deadly and bladed character: Snake Eyes. Did the Dark Knight get stabbed and slashed until he's defeated for a second month in a row? Or was he able to overcome this latest obstacle? Well, the Comic Vine community had five days to think it through, debate and cast their votes. Now that the poll is locked, Batman fans can breathe a sigh of relief. He may have lost last month's battle, but this month, he's walking away with the victory. Although, he'll probably need a band-aid or two.

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The lethal ninja from G.I. Joe received 34% of the votes, but the Caped Crusader pulled in 58%. Meanwhile, 8% thought this fight had the potential to go either way and deemed it to close to call. So, why'd Bruce win? As the debate went on, one key point kept popping up: many people simply don't believe Snake Eyes has endured challenges that are as varied and as difficult as the ones Batman has faced. Now, that's not to say this wouldn't be a good and wildly entertaining fight. Many Viners agreed this would be a battle well worth watching, especially since they're quite similar in many ways. They're both superb with stealth, stunning hand-to-hand fighters, and their physical capabilities aren't far apart. While Snake Eyes has gear that's simple yet effective, Batman has more variety, and, as the fight progress, and that's always going to be a wildcard worth taking into account.

Truthfully, I was hoping the poll would be much closer, but at the end of the day, it looks like more than a few people are walking away from this experience with a little more knowledge on Snake Eyes, and I'd say that's most certainly a good thing. Even if you think one character is the obvious winner, the objective here is just to have fun wondering about how it would play out and hopefully learn a new thing or two about the characters in the process. Anyway, usually the Viner Arguments of the Month are pretty thorough and there were quite a few well-thought-out posts made this week, but we'll give your eyes a bit of a break and highlight two quick and concise arguments that were made for each combatant. They're much shorter than what we usually feature, but they get right to what they believe are the key factors in the battle. Sometimes less can be more, after all.

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Viner Argument of the Month for Batman is by Saren

Batman somewhat handily. It's all well and good to go on about Snake-Eyes' lack of compunctions and stealth and experience and yada yada, but the fact remains that he exists in a universe where the challenges he has to face are far less formidable than the challenges Batman has faced. Snake-Eyes offers nothing that Batman hasn't seen before.

Viner Argument of the Month for Snake Eyes is by Lunacyde

Snake-Eyes....in a long and brutal battle I would pay handsomely to see. I'll expound upon my reasoning later. For now the basics are that the two characters are very similar in a lot of ways. Where there are differences I can see SE having more of the advantages useful to this encounter. Batman's greatest advantages over SE are his overall intelligence, preparedness, exploitation of opponent weaknesses and wide array of gadgets and gear. These qualities will factor very little into this specific battle. Meanwhile Snake-Eyes greatest advantages are his willingness to do anything he must to defeat his opponent, his willingness to kill, and his deadly assortment and knowledge of weapons. These will factor more heavily into the fight and tip the scales in his favor.

Because no one else was able to chime in this month, we'll go ahead and highlight a post that was made for the "too close to call" option, too.

Viner Argument of the Month for Too Close To Call is by Owie

This is one of those fights I keep changing my mind on. It's very hard to "prove" one is more skilled than the other.

Batman is stronger and smarter. He has a much wider range of non-lethal weapons. His basic armor is better.

Snake Eyes is possibly faster, more agile, and stealthier. He has a wider range of lethal weapons.

But who is more skilled? Hard to say. I would argue Snake Eyes, but not by a lot. I don't have anything that shows him being better in any concrete way, it's just my take on who he is. But I would also argue that there is little that proves Batman is definitely more skilled either. In other words, I don't think there are any scans of either of them dong anything in terms of skill that the other wouldn't be able to match.

How does this all go down? Assuming they see each other as real enemies, Snakes will probably start shooting. Batman will dodge. Batman will probably throw some batarangs, and Snake Eyes will throw throwing stars, and they'll both dodge. Snake Eyes does have some advantage from a distance, having automatic weapons, but probably not enough to win. They both have grenades of some sort and would toss them around. Having taken each other's measure, they would either go into the shadows and try to attack by stealth, or just go in and fight. Snake Eyes is probably stealthier, as I said, but I am guessing Batman has enough tech to find him. I'm going to say that kind of evens out and they end up just fighting head to head anyway. Close up, Snake Eyes does have a sword, and Batman doesn't, so again Snake Eyes has at least a basic weapons advantage. Is it enough? I dunno. Possibly. But Batman has his armor, can use his cape defensively, etc. I feel like this is essentially too close to call.

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Check the homepage on March 31st for an all-new Batman Battle of the Month! Wait, a Batman Battle of the Month in APRIL? That's certain to be a serious and balanced one, right? There's no way we'd have Batman take on a dude who eats planets or anything. In the meantime, you're welcome to make suggestions right here in the comments, in the official thread, or via Twitter.

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@jayc1324 said:

@erik: OK my mistake but it still isn't relevant. And my statement us neither ignorant or a lie. And my scan does show deadshot clearly trying to shoot bats. I am not sure whose the turkey here we are both saying the same thing over and over again so don't act like you are somehow better

  • How is it not relevant? You said that if you aim a gun at someone's head and pull the trigger, you must always have the intention to kill them. I provided a live-action example of that not being true.
  • Yes, your scan does show Deadshot trying to shoot at Batman. A fact that is rendered moot because of three different occasions where it is revealed that Deadshot pulls his shots.
  • Your argument is the turkey, not you. I would never say that anyone here is a turkey. But yeah, that is one silly argument you are trying to make. Especially when you had the audacity to try to say that "if it's canon, then there is nothing to argue about" just a few days ago. It's like your whole life is centered around hypocrisy.
  • Being better is vague. I am probably superior to you in many ways but who knows if it is enough to say that I am truly 'better'.
  • LMAO your scan doesn't stand. It was soundly debunked as completely useless in any debate.
  • Anything that makes sense to you is most assuredly the incorrect way of thinking 100% of the time.
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@cadencev2 : I'm honored that the great CadenceV2 appreciated that video. I told myself and others I wouldn't come back here, but I thought a warm smile was much warranted.

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@erik: OK my mistake but it still isn't relevant. And my statement us neither ignorant or a lie. And my scan does show deadshot clearly trying to shoot bats. I am not sure whose the turkey here because we are both saying the same thing over and over again so don't act like you are somehow better. This is why I tried to end this earlier, my scan stands and you disagree. That's fine but it makes sense to me and you will not change that.

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@jayc1324 said:

@erik: No the real life example you used was irrelevant. And I saw those scans earlier but my scan shows different which was my point. We did all that talking and are right back where we started.

  • Wrong! There was no real life example used. There was a live-action example used from a movie to illustrate how your statement of fact was actually a statement of ignorance or an outright lie.
  • Your scan doesn't show different. Your scan says nothing on the matter and it predates the scans where Deadshot admits to pulling his shots.
  • The only thing going in circles is your argument. But that typically happens when a turkey is separated from his head.
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@vmole: Some villians have their reasons for not killing Batman. And they aren't trained assassins like deadshot. Two face failing to kill bats isn't embarrassing. Because he doesn't have the skills to unlike deadshot

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@erik: No the real life example you used was irrelevant. And I saw those scans earlier but my scan shows different which was my point. We did all that talking and are right back where we started.

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@jayc1324 said:

@erik: your example isn't relevant. And there's no error to admit. He aimed at his head and shot. You are making up ways for him to be holding back but he clearly wasn't.

You want to explain to me how Batman pointing out the fact that Deadshot pulls his shots is not relevant when used against a scan of Deadshot pulling his shots on Batman? LMFAO! Jesus kid.

I'm making things up, eh? Hmmm....

I totally made up those scans too. Totally a figment of my imagination.

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@jayc1324: ... and Batman's villains are homicidal psychopaths with their body counts going up to the thousands and have shown a complete and utter disregard for the lives of others, yet they fail in killing Batman despite having numerous opportunities and even stronger motives to kill him.

By your definition, they're crappy characters because said killers are bad at killing Batman.

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@vmole: Because deadshot is an assassin. If you're an assassin and scared to kill someone that makes you crappy. And ineffective.

@erik: your example isn't relevant. And there's no error to admit. He aimed at his head and shot. You are making up ways for him to be holding back but he clearly wasn't.

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@erik: No you did not prove anything wrong. Batman said it twice and I gave a scan showing deadshot aiming at his head. And my evidence does support my claim. He aimed at his head and shot and missed how is that even debatable?

Deadshot having a silly fear of shooting batman would make him a crappy character overall

So basically every character that has had an opportunity to kill Batman but have taken the time to gloat, hesitate in killing him, or giving him a chance to escape or fight back for whatever reason are crappy characters too? Because that's pretty much his entire rogues gallery, why is Deadshot somehow singled out for being crappy for that reason?

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@erik: No batman saying something doesn't disprove anything. Pointing your gun at someones head and shooting is not pulling your shot. That's not debatable. And that scan supports my point.

It does prove something when Deadshot admits to it by refusing to argue it. Pointing a gun at someone and then shooting can be pulling your shot if you hesitate just enough for someone to not be hit. Want a live action example? How about when Data fires on the Phoenix in First Contact. Data lined up the shot perfectly for a kill shot, then fired. But we see that he hesitated just enough for it to miss. Since we cannot see time pass in comics in most cases, we can't see whether or not this is happening. BUT what we do have, is two references to Deadshot intentionally pulling shots, so he doesn't kill the man he deeply respects. And again, it is in the comics, so to reference your own argument in a different thread, it is canon. Your refusal to admit your error just makes this more fun for me.

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@erik: No batman saying something doesn't disprove anything. Pointing your gun at someones head and shooting is not pulling your shot. That's not debatable. And that scan supports my point.

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@jayc1324 said:

@erik: No you did not prove anything wrong. Batman said it twice and I gave a scan showing deadshot aiming at his head. And my evidence does support my claim. He aimed at his head and shot and missed how is that even debatable?

Oh really? Let's recap, shall we? You said Deadshot tried to kill Batman and presented very old scans of Deadshot trying to shoot Batman. I counter that with two much more recent references where it was stated that Deadshot pulls his shots when firing on Batman. Two references that Deadshot himself did not deny. I don't know if you have any clue what evidence is, but mine directly defeats yours. The only way someone could deny that is if they ignore it altogether, or have some kind of disability.

Deadshot doesn't have a fear of Batman. That's not why he misses. He respects Batman. That doesn't make him a crappy character overall, it adds depth. A fact that is probably lost on you.

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@erik: No you did not prove anything wrong. Batman said it twice and I gave a scan showing deadshot aiming at his head. And my evidence does support my claim. He aimed at his head and shot and missed how is that even debatable?

Deadshot having a silly fear of shooting batman would make him a crappy character overall

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@erik: That's not really embarrassing its just a mistake. My point is that people just say things in comics it doesn't make them true. And nothing you said proved anything I said wrong really. Batman didn't just stand there and let deadshot aim at him. As soon as batman saw him he must have moved.

Also batman saying he pulls his shots can just mean that he only started pulling them recently. That makes sense. To me, it doesn't suggest that he does it every time. It sounded to me me like he was teasing deadshot in a way. You saying I'm wrong doesn't mean anything. You just have a different interpretation.

And like I said deadshot would be a crappy villian if he didn't try to kill batman.

  • People are not Batman. You can probably count the times Batman has ever been wrong on just one hand in all of his comic history.
  • Everything I said proved you wrong. It's a fact that Deadshot pulls his shots. It's been stated twice in canon.
  • Great. You want to prove that Batman meant that? Because a time-frame for when this started was never given or implied in the scans he says it in. I'll be waiting for you to present any kind of evidence to support your suggestion.
  • I'm saying you're wrong because the evidence doesn't support your claim. So yeah, it does mean you are wrong.
  • Deadshot's a crappy villain regardless of whether or not he tries to kill Batman. He's a much better antihero.
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@wolverine08: What do you want? "......" What is that supposed to mean. Why butt in without anything to say?

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@jayc1324 said:

@erik: That's not really embarrassing its just a mistake. My point is that people just say things in comics it doesn't make them true. And nothing you said proved anything I said wrong really. Batman didn't just stand there and let deadshot aim at him. As soon as batman saw him he must have moved.

Also batman saying he pulls his shots can just mean that he only started pulling them recently. That makes sense. To me, it doesn't suggest that he does it every time. It sounded to me me like he was teasing deadshot in a way. You saying I'm wrong doesn't mean anything. You just have a different interpretation.

And like I said deadshot would be a crappy villian if he didn't try to kill batman.

Now we are just going in circles and I tried to end this conversation before.

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@erik: That's not really embarrassing its just a mistake. My point is that people just say things in comics it doesn't make them true. And nothing you said proved anything I said wrong really. Batman didn't just stand there and let deadshot aim at him. As soon as batman saw him he must have moved.

Also batman saying he pulls his shots can just mean that he only started pulling them recently. That makes sense. To me, it doesn't suggest that he does it every time. It sounded to me me like he was teasing deadshot in a way. You saying I'm wrong doesn't mean anything. You just have a different interpretation.

And like I said deadshot would be a crappy villian if he didn't try to kill batman.

Now we are just going in circles and I tried to end this conversation before.

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@saren said:

@cadencev2 said:

@jashro44: If we counted that Cartoon, Bats should lose hard core. That was epic.

I frequently wonder if the people arguing and quibbling over the merits or otherwise of Batman debates actually read anything with Batman in it, or if they just have this generalized, vague conception of Batman comprised of arguments they've read and scans they've seen on the internet floating around in their heads that they judge characters, feats and arguments by. What part of that cartoon convinced you Batman would "lose hard core"?

Just the fact Snake Eyes took a blow that sent him flying 30 feet at super speed, and then craters solid stone with his body. Then gets up, and does ninja disappear like nothing. he moved around fine too, showing no real injury done.

That is insane high Durability feat. Batman with his non lethal attacks is not kicking or beating that into Submission anymore than he can Deathstroke, Bane, or Azrael. That was a clear super stat showing to me. Also the skill he showed with the sword, and pain tolerance to catch Storm Shadows sword with his hand was all very impressive.

But I really do not like arguing with you Saren, your mostly too witty for me to make sensible comebacks :P

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@erik: What's embarrassing exactly? I'm not seeing anything embarrassing. Secondly my point was that batman has said numerous people are the best fighter in the world and wonder woman isn't even one of them. People just say things in comics to make someone else look good.

Nothing I said was wrong. I have seen no retcon. In the scan I posted deadshot tried to kill batman and missed proving he does not always pull his shots.

And no deadshota did not just wait for batman to have the chance to dodge... Why would he waste a bullet like that? He aimed at batman, shot and batman dodged. Deadshot is not always scared to shoot Batman.

My scan 100% shows deadshot trying to kill Batman. Deadshot wouldn't be a good batman villian if he wasn't a threat. The idea that he's scared to shoot batman is stupid anyway and isn't true all the time as I have proved. If you disagree then whatever but this is what I believe and I have reason to. Good day to you sir.

  • What's embarrassing is that you said I never asked for something, despite the fact that I asked you for something just one post prior. It means you put your foot in your mouth. Not that that's anything new.
  • Yeah but you didn't even use a correct reference. Batman never said Wonder Woman is the best fighter. You are misquoting either by accident or by direct intent. You are wrong. Batman is not.
  • Wrong again. Just about everything you ever say is wrong.
  • I wouldn't be surprised to discover that you haven't seen any retcon because it doesn't exist. Therefore, Batman's quote that Deadshot intentionally misses remains canon.
  • Hmmm... You must have a hard time understanding my posts, so I will try again. Your scan shows that Deadshot had Batman in his sights for an unspecified amount of time, then he misses. Batman then later states that Deadshot pulls his shots on purpose, years after your scan. So even if Deadshot was trying to kill Batman in that scan, it was retconned to not be the case semi-recently.
  • How can you tell that Deadshot didn't wait a fraction of a second? You only have snapshots of events in time with no indicator of how much time passes. All we see in your scan is that Deadshot aims, fires, and Batman dodges. Later, on two occasions, it is noted that Deadshot intentionally misses. What I find hilarious is that just a few days ago, it was you that went on for pages about how if it is on panel, then it is canon. Well here is your own argument biting you in the a$$ just a few days later. It is on panel twice that Deadshto pulls his shots. It's canon. Deal with it.
  • Your scan does not show that Deadshot is trying to kill Batman. Maybe once upon a time that might have been the case. But evidence has been presented that totally ruins that feat. It states without a doubt that Deadshot misses and it was verified by Deadshot himself via not challenging the deduction. You are wrong. Yet again. Happy day for me.
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@erik: What's embarrassing exactly? I'm not seeing anything embarrassing. Secondly my point was that batman has said numerous people are the best fighter in the world and wonder woman isn't even one of them. People just say things in comics to make someone else look good.

Nothing I said was wrong. I have seen no retcon. In the scan I posted deadshot tried to kill batman and missed proving he does not always pull his shots.

And no deadshota did not just wait for batman to have the chance to dodge... Why would he waste a bullet like that? He aimed at batman, shot and batman dodged. Deadshot is not always scared to shoot Batman.

My scan 100% shows deadshot trying to kill Batman. Deadshot wouldn't be a good batman villian if he wasn't a threat. The idea that he's scared to shoot batman is stupid anyway and isn't true all the time as I have proved. If you disagree then whatever but this is what I believe and I have reason to. Good day to you sir.

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@erik: What do you mean its not what you asked for? I didn't think you asked me for anything. Also batman was wrong about the court of owls, if you read that. And wonder woman being the best fighter on earth. And also, my scan shows that deadshot does try to kill batman. If you aim at someone's head and pull the trigger you are trying to kill them

Oh I didn't did I?

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Okay. Do you have a scan showing Deadshot was retconned to not be holding back? And Batman saying something doesn't mean much? Even when the person he says it to doesn't object? Heh, right.

Oh my. That's embarrassing. Batman said Wonder Woman is the best melee fighter and how is that wrong? She's basically a Superman level character that knows how to fight and actually uses her power in combination with her fighting ability. There is nothing wrong with what Batman said. He never said that she was the best technical fighter on Earth. So no, Batman was not wrong. Your scan shows that Deadshot had Batman in his sights for an unspecified amount of time, then he misses. Batman then later states that Deadshot pulls his shots on purpose, years after your scan. So even if Deadshot was trying to kill Batman in that scan, it was retconned to not be the case semi-recently. You are wrong about your final sentence too. Deadshot could have easily aimed at Batman's head and pulled the trigger just long enough after aiming that he knew Batman was capable of dodging.

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@cadencev2 said:

@jashro44: If we counted that Cartoon, Bats should lose hard core. That was epic.

I frequently wonder if the people arguing and quibbling over the merits or otherwise of Batman debates actually read anything with Batman in it, or if they just have this generalized, vague conception of Batman comprised of arguments they've read and scans they've seen on the internet floating around in their heads that they judge characters, feats and arguments by. What part of that cartoon convinced you Batman would "lose hard core"?

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@jashro44: If we counted that Cartoon, Bats should lose hard core. That was epic.

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@erik: What do you mean its not what you asked for? I didn't think you asked me for anything. Also batman was wrong about the court of owls, if you read that. And wonder woman being the best fighter on earth. And also, my scan shows that deadshot does try to kill batman. If you aim at someone's head and pull the trigger you are trying to kill them

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@jayc1324 said:

@erik: I posted a link to a scan of deadshot shooting at Batman's head. And I'm not saying anything was retconned. I'm just saying that continuity isn't always perfect in comics and the scan I posted in the link shoes deadshot trying to kill batman.

Secondly, batman has said Shiva is one of the best fighters. Same with wonder woman. Many people say they are a master of all fighting forms but never prove it. Just saying something doesn't always make it true. Especially when there's a scan of it being false.

That's not what I asked for. Until it actually is retconned, any feat against Deadshot is worthless. Can you even find a scan of Batman being wrong about anything? His word is bat-law. Also, your scan doesn't show anything to be false.

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@erik: I posted a link to a scan of deadshot shooting at Batman's head. And I'm not saying anything was retconned. I'm just saying that continuity isn't always perfect in comics and the scan I posted in the link shoes deadshot trying to kill batman.

Secondly, batman has said Shiva is one of the best fighters. Same with wonder woman. Many people say they are a master of all fighting forms but never prove it. Just saying something doesn't always make it true. Especially when there's a scan of it being false.

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@erik: Because he may not have been holding back at the time. That's why it matters. If there's a time where something doesn't fit with what a character says its worth bringing up. And I know batman doesn't really ever get shot unless its a shotgun or he's looking away but people are trying to say him dodging deadshots bullets arent good feats because he simply won't kill batman

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@wolverine08: I've seen those scans, but ya know there are such things as retcons, continuity issues, or maybe at this point in time deadshot wasn't refusing to kill batman. I don't know. I'm no deadshot expert. And there's also the fact that people just saying things in comics doesnt mean much. But this scan shows that deadshot has tried to kill batman before so it doesn't fit with what everyone else has been telling me. Which is why its being brought up.

Okay. Do you have a scan showing Deadshot was retconned to not be holding back? And Batman saying something doesn't mean much? Even when the person he says it to doesn't object? Heh, right.

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@wolverine08: I've seen those scans, but ya know there are such things as retcons, continuity issues, or maybe at this point in time deadshot wasn't refusing to kill batman. I don't know. I'm no deadshot expert. And there's also the fact that people just saying things in comics doesnt mean much. But this scan shows that deadshot has tried to kill batman before so it doesn't fit with what everyone else has been telling me. Which is why its being brought up.

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@jayc1324: Dude, it's been pointed out BOTH that Floyd pulls his shots on Batman . Once by Bruce him self. What more do you want?

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@erik: Because he may not have been holding back at the time. That's why it matters. If there's a time where something doesn't fit with what a character says its worth bringing up. And I know batman doesn't really ever get shot unless its a shotgun or he's looking away but people are trying to say him dodging deadshots bullets arent good feats because he simply won't kill batman

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@jayc1324: Not sure that scan would even matter if Batman and Deadshot have admitted that he holds back his shots twice. Not that it matters anyway. Batman vs bullets is about the same as Chuck Norris vs anything.

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@entropy_aegis: @wolverine08: http://s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/batshotduck.jpg.html

On that link is a scan of deadshot aiming straight at Batman's face and pulling the trigger. It looks to me like he definitely wanted to kill him there. If you can somehow explain how deadshot somehow didn't want to kill him despite aiming at his head then I will believe you. I know from scans above that he refuses to kill batman sometimes but this scan says different. It makes me think that he doesn't refuse to kill him 100% of the time, and that sometimes he actually does try his hardest to kill bats

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@jashro44 said:

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That was sick as f**k!

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@entropy_aegis: I'm not an expert of deadshot but I have most definitely seen him aim at Batman's head and pull the trigger. And batman dodged.

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@medulaoblaganda said:

@punyparker: sooooooooo!! does that mean he can't be beaten? i can list street level characters that can burst is ass.

wolverine

x 23

captain america barely

spider man

agent venom

deadpool

electra

power man

daredevil

and

shang chi

Bolded ones are debatable.

Agreed.

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I think its sad that the Viner of the argument for Batman is really another way of saying, "Anything Not DC or Marvel is flat out weaker than Image, IDW, Dark Horse, ect....."

Great argument, and mindset.

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@dark_cloud_: There was no difference to begin with. Chi never added anything to Snake Eyes. Snake failed to one shot a weakened Storm with a chi amped attack. Batman flawed Nightwing and many others with a single hit. Just because its chi, doesn't make it special without feats to reinforce it.

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@monsterstomp : *sighs* I give up. I'm sorry - I thought you could differentiate between a normal strike and a chi-based strike, but I was wrong and I apologize for putting you on the spot. I'm going away from this thread now since it's becoming more senseless to stay and try to get you to understand it better. Have a good night, MS.

@dccomicsrules2 : I expected nothing new from you, DCCR. Lol.

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@dark_cloud_: I still don't think you understand. I'm not saying Batman can generate chi, I'm saying Batman could replicate a simple knock out manoeuvre like the one in that video. It was a simple face palm with a bit of life force in it. Stop over exaggerating the feat. Batman backhanded Nightwing and knocked him the f**k out without all that chi drama. Snake Eyes charged up and palmed Storm in the head which didn't even knock him down straight away. What is more impressive?

  1. A backhand that knocked Nightwing out?
  2. Or a fully charged face palm that didn't even knock Storm down?

I'll go with the one hit knock out.

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@monsterstomp : Look, ease off the whole Batman can do everything attitude and read my reasoning with an open-mind. The chi thing was not a basic knockout technique nor was the mere wave of chi so common that anyone could do it; it was as effective as it was supposed to be and that was the whole point in Snake-Eyes using it. I'm not sure if you watched the entire scene or even the movie, but your assumption was that Batman could do that very technique, and when I asked you for proof, you pretty much shrugged and walked away as if it wasn't important enough to debate. Sure, Batman can use brute force against anyone, use pressure pointa or nerve strikes; know that they are not the same as using chi-enhanced strikes. Chi enhanced his strength and made him stronger, arguably faster. Batman has never been able to generate chi. I just don't get how this was so below you that you felt the need to ignore my request. Other than that, I'm done with the conversation. I was granted what I wanted to know by someone else, but it's your choice whether you want to keep this going. /peace sign/

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I always find it funny when people go out of their way to hate on fictional characters and label others with gross generalizations such as "wankers" and "fanboys".

You don't like Batman? Fine, pay the characters no mind - but don't come into Batman related threads just to spew nonsense with that sad use of rhetoric some users call arguments.

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@dark_cloud_ said:

@monsterstomp : Then what did you mean? You never tried to explain, or explain well enough to have validity. All you really did was say, "Batman can do that because he's Batman." I'm not taking a shot at you, I'm sincerely curious.

I meant exactly what Jash said. I was comparing striking feats. The chi thing was nothing but a basic knockout technique, which wasn't even effective immediate. Batman can knock someone out fairly easy via the use of brute force, pressure point or nerve strikes. Just because of a mere wave of chi, its special? Storm didn't even move when Snake face palmed him. All this bickering over that? Wow.

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BATWANKERS!

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@monsterstomp : Then what did you mean? You never tried to explain, or explain well enough to have validity. All you really did was say, "Batman can do that because he's Batman." I'm not taking a shot at you, I'm sincerely curious.

@entropy_aegis : Not that I know of, and why would I be banned? If there are plenty of scans out there of Batman doing precise strikes, good. If there are plenty of scans out there, then why hasn't either posted one? Shouldn't be that hard to do, eh? But my request was for a scan of Batman doing the same technique as Snake-Eyes as two other debaters claimed he could do. Now that I know he can't, and they couldn't, I was right and I'm done with it. I've forgiven and forgotten (until someone brings it up again). Other than that, I'm not complaining about anything. You responded to one of my posts, so I replied back. Was that bad?

@saren : Intended or not, it was humorous to me. Self-important approach to fictional fights? You've basically described just about everybody on here, dude. I'm no different than anyone else. I've not counted how many times I've used Batwank, but I'm more than sure it's not nearly as much as the word "fanboy" has been thrown around. I've been civil, but good grammar kills things, so I can see how it might look.

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@dark_cloud_: There wasn't humor intended, it was just an extension of the earlier view on the voting thread that you have an awfully self-important approach to a fictional fight between fictional characters. Oh, and by the way, stop calling people "Bat-wankers" or employing different forms of the always entertaining and never piteous noun "Batwank" as much as you possibly can. If you have a problem with this outcome, there are far more civil ways to address it.

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Same goes for like 90% peak humans,it's fiction.

Sorry but there is a difference, between slight exaggerations, say aim dodging for example and sneaking away from/tagging superhumans. Either he is written according to the abilities he should have, or if we are to accept his high showings vs superhumans in the argument against snake eyes or anyone else for that matter then the battle was spite all along, you cannot have it both ways especially when part of the argument against snake eyes, was in fact, that he did not have the vast array of super powered threats to test himself against, as they don't exist in his universe.

To be clear I have no hate for Batman, he is a well developed character with a long history, in fact I own and enjoy most of his new 52 run, especially his battle against the court of owls, I just feel as I stated there needs to be a clear line between what is acceptable for a man with his stats, and what is not, so that when he goes up against fellow peak humans we don't have people jumping out and screaming "Batman did x against superman and the flash so what chance does snake eyes have!?"

Yeah I agree that's stupid,Batman is definitely a street level character.

@entropy_aegis : Prove it when it mattered? Lmao. Your comment is baseless. Unless you're blind or completely stupid, you'd have seen my claims were backed-up with evidence. Your Batwanking friends, those who I challenged that disagreed with me and even gave Batman more credit than he deserved? Couldn't post one single scan to prove me otherwise. Next time, I suggest reading the whole thread thoroughly.

You're on a warning aren't you? I guess you're itching to be banned. You want a scan of Batman one shotting somebody with a precise strike? there's plenty of those,the reason no one's posting them is cause it's common knowledge, and the feat you keep mentioning isn't even from the comics,so what the f*ck are you complaining about?