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Batman Battle of the Month Results: Batman vs. Cyclops

The Dark Knight vs. the first X-Man! Who wins when these two skilled characters go at it?

First and foremost, you did a fantastic job with this one, Comic Viners. Over 700 votes and 11 pages of very detailed debate. Sure, it got a little heated at times, but it was great to see everyone was able to tone it down and keep it focused on the facts instead of derailing it into something personal. So, if you took part in this -- be it voting, engaging in the debate, or even reading the debate -- give yourself a pat on the back.

Now that all of the batarangs have been thrown and optic blasts have been fired, who's left standing? According to the CV community, Batman is the one walking away from this fight. Calm down, team Cyclops! DC's hero by no means won in a landslide. Wayne took 50% of the votes and Scott Summers earned a respectable 44%. Meanwhile, 6% thought it was too close to call.

ONE PUNCH! ONE PUNCH!

"Too close to call" sounds about right. There's simply no denying Scott would take this in an open environment and there's absolutely no disputing Batman would take this in a stealth heavy location where they don't begin visible. This scenario, however, is our attempt at a happy medium and that's exactly why it's always used (city at night, lights on, fair starting distance with some cover).

Moves like Mick Summers.

We all know Scott has the potential to turn this match heavily in his favor with just one optic blast to his opponent's chest. His concussive blasts -- even when toned down against humans -- are quite powerful. He's knocked out humans with ease, KO'd Wolverine with a hit to the back of his adamantium head, and has unleashed absurd amounts of power. While he has zero motivation here to remove his visor, there's no reason to believe he may not eventually fire a wider blast, either (kind of like he did against Bishop in Messiah CompleX, for example).

Furthermore, he's very, very accurate. Yes, there have been examples of him missing characters like Bullseye and Wolverine has indeed dodged him, but he's also shot Storm right out of the sky and, thanks to his brilliant tactical mind, has unleashed jaw-droppingly effective ricochet blasts on numerous occasions. He's also a very talented hand-to-hand combatant (most notably in Aikido and Judo), but let's be honest, he's no Batman in that element. However, his ability to use his power in close combat is a wildcard that cannot be overlooked. A well place (be it via ricochet or even lucky) blast in close proximity could once again put the odds in his favor.

Cyclops' combination of raw power, accuracy and tactics won't be easy to overcome -- not by a long shot. But, given his history, it's fair to assume that Batman does indeed have the physicals, intellect, resources and skill to potentially come out on top. It won't be easy by any measure and one small slip-up could end it, but taking everything into account, it's doable.

DO A BATMAN ROLL!

This is without question an uphill struggle for Batman, but given all we've seen over the years, I fail to see why it's impossible. Upon dodging the first blast (at a fair distance, mind you), he'll immediately know he's dealing with a foe who can unleash a volley of powerful and rather accurate blasts. Given the Dark Knight's more than capable mind, focus on stealth and variety of equipment, it's probable he could take a stealth approach at this point. A smoke pellet, perhaps, and a grappling line to a rooftop or alleyway wouldn't be far fetched. Now, Scott isn't a man who will just stand out in the open, shooting wildly and screaming. He's also a tactical character, so if Batman attacks to soon or if his rush doesn't go exactly as planned, there's a good chance he could get tagged. But, if it utilizes his resources properly and is able to get close to Scott, it's entirely reasonable to assume he could take the victory with his large edge in skill. The fact he can vanish right in front of talented oppo Again, a ricochet or lucky shot from his opponent could bring the fight to a close, but upon seeing Scott's power, I sincerely doubt he'd take his chances and would aim for a swift takedown.

Flip a coin because this truly has the potential to go either way. Scott's mutant power, formidable accuracy and tactics have the potential to shut this down with just one solid hit, but Batman has the means required to potentially get close in due time and seize the victory. Honestly, a totally rational argument can be made for either combatant.

Both are awesome characters. Their posture? Not so much.

Viner Argument for Batman is by Super_SoldierXII

"Can't help but feel Scott loses this one. Batman, being all "clever" and all, will see the big red ruby quartz visor strapped to Scott's eyes (I mean, c'mon), and figure right away that looks, in this particular battle, could very well kill. He'll hit a smoke pellet, go all stealth, take Cyclops out. End of story IMHO.

But, but, but, Cyclops has clobbered Wolverine, so Batman should be easy peasy in a random. Wrong. While both are undoubtedly top tier martial artists, their respective styles couldn't be more different. Wolverine relies on his durability in a fight more so than avoidance, it's part and parcel to his fighting style. Not so with Bruce. Cyclops knows he can unleash on Logan without killing him right off the,um, bat (couldn't help it). Again, not so with Bruce. And let's face it, Logan isn't nearly as clever as Bruce in his approach to a fight; all too often opting to go all "raar", "roar" and "snikt" on his antagonists. Not thinking things through is not Batman's M.O. Nor is Logan as geared or 'ninja-like' as Batman. Which is to say Logan doesn't have anywhere near the amount of tools to take Scott out as Bruce does, and has no choice but to close the distance and get in Scott's face.

Bruce will fall back on said gear and far superior hand to hand skill to avoid Scott's, admittedly, far superior offensive abilities.

Despite Cyclops' increasingly more questionable morals, he won't unleash with area of effect blasts. Not before knowing what he's up against, and by then it'll be too late IMHO. He'll try to tag Bruce with enough concussive force to put down a normal man first. So even if he does tag Bruce before Batman can evade, I'm not sure the one blast will be enough as a result.

Again, and to conclude, Batman sees the obvious weapon strapped to Scott's face, goes stealth to avoid, gets close, takes Scott out. The end."

Don't be sad, Cyclops fans. If you want to, you can tell yourself this was the outcome.

Does anyone else really miss that '90s costume?

Or, perhaps you can tell yourself this is how it went down.

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Edited by save.me.now

The stick figure picture where cyke makes the 'X' gang sign, made me smile.

:^]

thanks god_spawn.

Posted by God_Spawn

@save_me_now: No problem. I'm glad it gave people a smile.

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Posted by BlueAlchemist

That MS Paint comic made me laugh so much on the inside.

Posted by spiderbuck

@super_soldierxii: No reason to apologize. I think Cyclops would take the majority myself, but I do agree it could go either way depending on their respective advantages.

I agree. He's underrated H2H, and Bats has no conceivable way to tank a shot from Scott.

Edited by Super_SoldierXII

@spiderbuck said:
@god_spawn said:

@super_soldierxii: No reason to apologize. I think Cyclops would take the majority myself, but I do agree it could go either way depending on their respective advantages.

I agree. He's underrated H2H, and Bats has no conceivable way to tank a shot from Scott.

That's why Bats won't tank one. He's used misdirection time and again against faster and more powerful foes (taking the ring off GL's finger without him noticing was priceless).

He'll notice the obvious blaster strapped to Scott's mug, then he simply won't be standing there anymore (smoke pellet can aid) but, rather, behind Summers. While Scott's hand to hand is underrated, he's not Batman tier and will go down.

Cyclops could get the shot off ... I simply don't see him doing so for a majority against Batman.

Posted by DEGRAAF

Does Cyclops still need to touch his visor with his finger to use his optic blast?

Posted by MatteoPG
Edited by Omnicrono

Completely missed this battle, I did. :(

I concur with SuperSoldierXII's synopsis.

Posted by ntb101

Cyclops. batman with prep

Edited by Pantherman

How come everyone is ignoring the fact that no matter how sneaky Batman is for him to land anything on Scott he would have to reveal himself? You all just assume he will magically vanish and appear behind Cylcops while Cyclops sits there and simply waits for him. Whats to stop Cyclops from wrecking the environment? Scott is a master tactician and has proven time and time again that he is a master of planning in real time combat and one of his most common tactics is using the environment against his opponents. Cyclops isn't going to let Batman just hide and Batman has limited places he can use for cover. There is nothing to suggest Cyclops doesn't destroy the objects between him and Batman once he sees Batman has taken to a stealth approach, Cyclops would create space for himself so that if Batman were to attack him he would be forced to show himself.

Edited by Omnicrono
@pantherman said:

How come everyone is ignoring the fact that no matter how sneaky Batman is for him to land anything on Scott he would have to reveal himself? You all just assume he will magically vanish and appear behind Cylcops while Cyclops sits there and simply waits for him.

It's because Batman has a history of vanishing or sneaking up on opponents who are probably just as good as Cyclops (sometimes better). He has done it against characters with super human senses (sight, smell, etc) and even against characters with super speed (e.g. Flash). That is why it is more than reasonable to assume he could do so against Cyke given the right situation.

Batman is called a stealth master for a reason.

Posted by Pantherman
Edited by Pantherman

@omnicrono: It's the City at night with lights on, Batman is going to cast all sorts of Shadows for one, two Scott could simply move to the middle of the Street where the biggest object to hide behind is a car and Scott would see him go back there anyway. Even is Batman took to a roof top there is no feasible way he gets up there without Cylops seeing him, and smoke pellets won't do much because they are in the outside and you can produce enough smoke to inhibit Scotts vision of himself without handicapping his own. Last and most importantly there is too much Scott could do to put this in his favor like removing the cars for him to hide behind or destroying whatever he tries to anchor to to grapple himself up. Batman cannot win this in any fashion without comic book logic.

Posted by mgrman5

How does Wolverine beat Batman but Cyclops lose to Batman when Cyclops could beat Wolverine. Batman doesn't have the luxury of knowing who Cyclops is and what he is capable of Batman also doesn't have a healing factor and adamantium skeleton to tank all of Cyclops shots. Is Batman just going to stealth around the whole fight which a good tactic giving the opponent but soon or later Cyclops will just be fed up and just start blasting all of Batman's cover.

Posted by jashro44

I still think this is a close one...Cyclops battles seem to have a good track record of generating discussion for some reason.

@mgrman5 said:

How does Wolverine beat Batman but Cyclops lose to Batman when Cyclops could beat Wolverine. Batman doesn't have the luxury of knowing who Cyclops is and what he is capable of Batman also doesn't have a healing factor and adamantium skeleton to tank all of Cyclops shots. Is Batman just going to stealth around the whole fight which a good tactic giving the opponent but soon or later Cyclops will just be fed up and just start blasting all of Batman's cover.

For reasons @super_soldierxii mentioned in his argument. Your applying ABC logic which is flawed. Just because wolverine beats batman doesn't make batman outclassed against everyone who can beat wolverine.

Edited by Super_SoldierXII

@jashro44 said:

I still think this is a close one...Cyclops battles seem to have a good track record of generating discussion for some reason.

@mgrman5 said:

How does Wolverine beat Batman but Cyclops lose to Batman when Cyclops could beat Wolverine. Batman doesn't have the luxury of knowing who Cyclops is and what he is capable of Batman also doesn't have a healing factor and adamantium skeleton to tank all of Cyclops shots. Is Batman just going to stealth around the whole fight which a good tactic giving the opponent but soon or later Cyclops will just be fed up and just start blasting all of Batman's cover.

For reasons @super_soldierxii mentioned in his argument. Your applying ABC logic which is flawed. Just because wolverine beats batman doesn't make batman outclassed against everyone who can beat wolverine.

For the record, without an environment and starting distance that caters to him, I don't think Cyclops takes Wolverine at all.

Hopefully, creative talent in the years to come will rebuild Logan's image. A lot of the younguns these days have tasted only the past few years of Wolverine ... and it don't taste good. But yes, Batman brings utilities to this fight that make a difference.

Posted by jashro44

@super_soldierxii: I know. I was just saying there are differences between batman and wolverine.

And the death of wolverine seems good so far...Hopefully Soule can keep writing wolverine like that. Maybe we can see him have a proper fight with sabretooth...ONe that makes them both look good.

Posted by Super_SoldierXII

@jashro44 said:

@super_soldierxii: I know. I was just saying there are differences between batman and wolverine.

And the death of wolverine seems good so far...Hopefully Soule can keep writing wolverine like that. Maybe we can see him have a proper fight with sabretooth...ONe that makes them both look good.

Yes. It is, well, in a word, "fun" to actually have talented folks working on a Wolverine book.

For the first time in a looong while, I feel he's being written correctly. It's fun to read.

Sabes and Logan fight in book 2 BTW if you haven't picked it up already. It's brief and, admittedly, a bit underwhelming. But refreshing to see them portray Creed with a little more proxy.

Posted by jashro44

@super_soldierxii: My only real gripe with the series is wolverine looks to much like the way rucka had punisher dressed up as a little while ago.

Posted by Super_SoldierXII

@jashro44 said:

@super_soldierxii: My only real gripe with the series is wolverine looks to much like the way rucka had punisher dressed up as a little while ago.

Yeah ... but I think Logan could use a little Frank Castle type realism and bad@ssery at this point in his career.

If you think of the newest generation of adolescent comic book aficionados growing up the past 2-3 years with the Wolverine Marvel's been portraying ... can understand his allure has been plummeting through the toilet.

Edited by jashro44