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Batman Battle of the Month: Batman/Spider-Man vs. Captain America/Wolverine

There's pretty good fights and then there's fights like this one! Which team of A-listers do YOU think should win?

Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for a new Batman Battle of the Month. We spend a lot of time trying to come up with new challenges for Bruce Wayne, but seeing as this is also the final week of Spider-Man's time as the Character of the Month, we thought it would be fun to merge them!

That's right, we've placed Peter Parker in the Dark Knight's battle segment! Except he's not facing Gotham's hero. No, they're teaming-up against two of Marvel's most formidable street level characters: Captain America and Wolverine! Will team Spider-Bat's combination of skill and physicals allow them to beat the competition or will team Marvel's advantages allow them to overcome? Your vote will help determine the winner, but PLEASE read all of the rules before voting. Seriously, it'll take you roughly a minute or two and the details are very important. So read the rules, cast your vote and then speak your mind!

CLICK HERE TO VOTE!

Match Rules

  • Combatants are in character.
  • This is a random encounter (aka no prep for either team).
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated, at night and all standard city lights remain on. Assume they start roughly 15 feet apart and visible. There's a fair amount of cover in the location (parked vehicles, bus stops and such). The entire area is on limits. This means alleys, rooftops, building interiors, the sewer, etc.
  • Both sides have their standard gear. To keep things simple, let's assume Parker only has standard webbing and no extra cartridges on him.
  • Batman has his New 52 armor/gear, but pre-52 and new 52 feats are applicable for him.
  • Wolverine does have his healing factor and he isn't jobbing (aka he remembers he can do more than just drool and flail).
  • Incapacitation, knockout or death all count as elimination. Making a tactical retreat counts as a loss, too.
  • Hey, you know what would be really cool? Treating everyone else in the debate with respect. If you think someone's saying something that just isn't true, go ahead and stick to the facts to point out why. There's no need at all to drop insults just because you disagree with someone. Seriously, this is just talking about a fictional fight, there's no need for immaturity and mudslinging.
  • If you think the poll isn't going how it should, making an informative post about why a character is being underestimated and spreading the word is far more useful than complaining. Just saying.
  • One more thing: you don't need to write an essay to be selected as the Viner Argument of the Week. Sometimes concise posts can be way more effective than a flood of paragraphs.

Viners, you have the week to research, debate and vote! This means there's no reason to vote right away if you don't have all of the info you need to make an educated decision. Check the homepage Friday for an updated article with the following:

  • Thoughts from the staff.
  • A Viner Argument for both characters (can't include scans and must be in the poll thread).
  • If we're lucky, blurbs from industry talent.

Feel free to make future battle suggestions in the comments below or via Twitter! Want to continue celebrating Spidey? He'll be the topic of tomorrow's 'Question of the Week' and we previously posted his Best Battles and Best Covers. Lastly, remember to vote for the next Character of the Month!

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Posted by dondave

The picture of Bruce is atrocious.

Posted by laflux

@dondave said:

The picture of Bruce is atrocious.

LOL

Posted by pikachumonster

lol

Posted by flameboy298

lol

Posted by flashrobin

lol

Posted by Mr_Winchester

lol

Posted by spidershamrock

What knowledge do the teams have of each other? Does Spidey know Batman and does he remember the others powers and weaknesses?

Posted by k4tzm4n

What knowledge do the teams have of each other? Does Spidey know Batman and does he remember the others powers and weaknesses?

Everyone enters with pre-existing knowledge since there's no prep time. That means the Marvel characters know one another, but no one knows Batman. The only exception is Spider-Man knows Batman is his teammate.

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Posted by LenSnart

well Cap vs Batman is a long running discussion and I don't think a final verdict has been reached but I do believe Spider-man should beat wolverine due to his speed advantage. So if Cap beats Batman he'll still have to deal will spider-man, a fight he'll lose IMO after being tired out by Batman (and I'm a big Cap fan) meaning team 2 will win; but if Batman beats Cap then team 2 will win anyway as both Cap and Wolvey will be taken out.

Alternatively if Batman faces of against Wolverine I think Wolverine will take a comfortable majority mostly because of his durability and Cap's more than capable of keeping Spidey busy (And possibly beat him? No? alright never mind :p ) leaving Wolverine and Cap to take out Spidey.

Now I know they probably wouldn't stay locked down on one opponent in a real fight but this is the best way I can think to do it, so with these two outcomes in mind I gotta say too close to call.

Posted by AlKusanagi

Spider-Man is what most likely tips the balance here, but both Cap and Wolvie could hold their own against Bats, and 2 on 1 they definitely would take him down. If they could take Batman down quick enough, Cap and Wolverine may have a chance of beating Spidey. The one advantage I see for Team CW is that the fight states they're willing to kill, and while neither would do that to Spidey, I can see Wolvie going full lethal force on Batman, or at least willing to maim, especially once he sees how effective he is in combat.

Probably 6/10 to Spidey and Batman, but I'm still voting Cap and Wolverine, because voting against Captain America is like voting against 'Murica!!!

Posted by medulaoblaganda

i will have to go with captain america and wolverine on this one. captain america can counter batman's weapons with is shield. wolverine on the other hand has a healing factor on par with the hulk. wolverine is a martial artist.

Posted by AmazingWebHead

Spidey has beaten Wolvie before, and Bats has beaten Cap before.

Posted by SuperSlayin

Holy shirt! What?

Posted by nickxfrye

Now this is a battle! Awesome setup!!!

Posted by PapiNacho

Spider-Man is too much for Wolvie. Batman can hold out Cap enough time for Spidery to finish. Batman could also beat Cap, but he really doesn't have too.

Edited by SlickyMike88

wolverine has claws ,both in pieces

Posted by jorgebeatsemile

While I think that Batman could beat Cap, and Spidey could beat Wolvie, Wolvie could beat Batman, and Spidey could take Cap out. I feel that the Team BS (Nah, I'll call them Spider-Bat) has the raw power and intelligence that would be requiered to take home the win. That being said, Cap and Wolverine have had a long history of working/fighting together, while Bat and Spider don't know anything about each other (unless we allow the time when Spiderman tried joining the JLA) so, I see team CW winning a majority here. CW 6-7/10

Posted by jwrose5

We have two master tacticians, both trained to physical peak condition, one brawler with claws and a healing factor, and one agile scrapper with super strength and a spider sense. Batman is the master of preparedness, he has several tools and gadgets to help him out, whereas Cap only has his shield and .

Batman can hold his own against the two, but both of them together he's going to be a bit hard pressed. Spider-man is the wild card that tips the scales to Batman's favour. He's faster and stronger than all three of them, his webbing can hold the Rhino and Ben Grimm for a while, so if Bats and Spidey can communicate and work together, they can put Cap and Logan down. And its a whole different ball game if Spider-man's not joking around but looking to lay down some hurt.

However, Cap and Logan have a history and are very familiar with each other. They have the chemistry Batman and Spider-man lack. But, Wolverine can be a loose cannon at times. Piss him off enough and he will either go berserk and win or be lulled into a trap and lose. He's also one not to always follow orders, which sometimes works out but not against someone like Batman.

Its a close fight, one that can go either way but I'm giving this to Batman and Spider-man.

Posted by deadpool25mm

@k4tzm4n said:

@spidershamrock said:

What knowledge do the teams have of each other? Does Spidey know Batman and does he remember the others powers and weaknesses?

Everyone enters with pre-existing knowledge since there's no prep time. That means the Marvel characters know one another, but no one knows Batman. The only exception is Spider-Man knows Batman is his teammate.

"but no one knows Batman." If only Lex was here... lol

Posted by IDontLikeBirds

Difficult choice for me. Personally I'm more of a fan of Batman and Spider-man, but there is something here that should be touched on. Wolverine and Captain America have worked as a team multiple times before, and also have decades of experience working with someone. Spider-man for the most part has been solo, and Batman is no stranger to teamwork, though for the sake of this, they have never met nor worked together. I think that will be the big game changer here. Sure Batman is prepared for most things, at his peak, intelligence, etc, and Spider-man has all the enhanced abilities of strength, speed, agility, his spider-sense and so on. Those are all fine and dandy, but you have to know how to use your strengths with your partner and also know how to cover their weakness. Captain America and Wolverine will be a more cohesive unit and I think that will get them the win overall.

Posted by Knightfall225

I gotta give the win to team two. They can beat you from close up as well as distance wise. Sure Cap has his shield to throw distances , but batman has numerous long distance weapons and spidey is a web-slinger

Posted by O_Bartels

Hard choice Batman and Spiderman are both very capable tactical fighters and so are Wolverine and Cap. Batman has the widest arsenal of gear. But Wolverine and Cap have had previous team experience

Posted by Supreme_Maj

This is a tough one k4tzm4n (Congrats you're the best)i don't know which team i can vote for this time around this battle can go either way. Zut c'est difficile de choisir ..........

Posted by comicace3

This is a tough one k4tzm4n (Congrats you're the best)i don't know which team i can vote for this time around this battle can go either way. Zut c'est difficile de choisir ..........

Here's a little pointer....( choose batman and spidey) all around better when it comes to raw power. Spidey is one of the real problems since he outclasses everyone in his team and the other team and can certainly beat cap or wolverine when it comes to not holding back. He often holds back a lot when he's ( morals on) but even then he was still able to beat wolverine and cap in different battles. Batman will make do with Captain America ( although it could go either way) and then its all up to spidey to beat wolverine. If roles are switched and batman fights wolverine while spidey fights captain america, it will just boil down to a spiderman and wolverine fight, in which team Batman wins.

Posted by JoshuaDBr
Posted by JoshuaDBr

@idontlikebirds: Well I Suppose you're right. If Batman and Spider-man haven't worked together before then it has to go to Captain America and Wolverine. But if they had (which they haven't) I'd definitely give it to Batman and Spider-Man.

PS: What's wrong with birds? I think they're pretty cool.

Edited by Crom-Cruach

Team 2 will win pretty handily. It just comes down Peter. Spider-Man knows wolverine and Cap and while both have managed to hit him. Post spider island, Peter is a lot better a fighter then he was before (which really was his Achilles's heel) and even before, he's proven time and again that he can dance around them without too much effort. In character he'll know that he has to web wolverine first since he can't really be knocked out as far as he knows (stupid cockroach powers). Given how fast and with spider-sense he is, he should not have too much trouble doing that fairly quickly.

Meanwhile Bruce who has no knowledge of both attackers will test the waters and stick to stealth, keeping anyone coming at him at bay with batarangs, smoke bombs and just about everything he can throw. It won't take him that long to figure out that he's facing two of the possibly deadliest fighters he's ever seen. Given the beating he's taken from the likes of Deathstroke and Bane. He's not going to stand around just slugging it out with them, that would just be stupid. And again here's where Peter will make the difference. He can web wolvie to a wall and leave him there, take Steve's shield from him.

My prediction would be that Bruce will be caught on the defensive as the duo work's out the kinks of better directing their attacks. Like throwing a smoke bomb in from of Cap to blur his vision so spidey can web him or Bruce fading in the shadows to bait wolvie who can scent him, separate them to take them down with overwhelming incapacitation. Even with Steve's great tactical knowledge, Peter and Bruce are a hell of a lot smarter then him or wolvie (two genius heads better then one). Peter insane physical abilities and webbing will synergize much better with Bruce then Wolvie and Cap. Especially since Peter's wall crawling means Bruce and him can fight in three dimensions.

Team 2 for the win.

Posted by bholt58

I think it is truly the equalizing factor for the rules to include "NO PREP" - because honestly, and not to be a homer, but given any prep, Batman would be able to orchestrate a quick victory against Cap and Logan - and then bring a plan to beat Spider-Man if he had to. (#TowerofBabel)

BUT - since it isn't, it really makes this fight more interesting to talk about. I think the points made about intelligence, ranged attacks, and three dimensions are the keys to why this fight would go to Spider-Man and Batman.

Unfortunately for Captain and Logan, they both are stuck to the ground and lack credible medium and long range attacks. While without prep, Batman wouldn't have the specific gear needed, but I would be confident that the standard belt comes will something magnetic he could appropriate to use against Wolverine.

I think both Batman and Spider-Man are adaptable in their tactical reasoning, especially Spider-Man's ability to create chain-reaction like combinations with his hyper reflexes. I think that ultimately, this fight would be drawn out and occur in small skirmishes. The Logan/Steve previous partnerships can't be ignored, so it would require some Spider-Man saving Batman from an adimantium impaling a few times before they would devise a plan to neutralize their opponents. Spider-Man's spidey-sense and reflex can't be forgotten in the early part of this fight. The other factor that would contribute to the length of the encounter is how many different tactics it would take to beat Steve/Logan is the figuring out how to knock/out or incapacitate them because Spidey and Batman are hard rule non-killers.

Specifically, I think this fight would end like this. After several short engagements and regroupings, Cap would realize he needs to use the only med/long range attack, the shield throw. Batman smoke bomb blinds Cap/Wolve - Spidey webs the shield and swings it back around and knocks out Cap. Batman chucks exploding Batarangs are Wolvie to keep him disoriented, then Spidey-webs attach a magnet device to Wolverie's chest and webs up the claws to the magnet, neutralizing his most dangerous trait. After this, it's two on one and Wolverine can't use his claws.

Game over.

This is a fun one to think about though

Posted by CaliRa

I am a really big fan of both, Batman and Spiderman, but i dont think they could win on this one, In an ideal situacion for the BS team, Spider-man would be able to trap Wolverine and help Batman with the Cap, maybe the could win this way. But what if they swich, Spider-man could not trap/tire out the cap, but on a long fight i am prety sure Wolverine would beat Batman, and then its a 2v1.

Also if its a 2v2 both of the teams fights as duos, Wolverine and Captain America would win and i think no one can argue that, they have a long run together they know eachother.

I actually agree with the guy above me but i dont think you are taking account of the Wolverine Factor, he is virtually unstopable, we wont be stopped if he dont want to stop

Posted by WallCrawlerCapedCrusader

WOW

Posted by Evoljeanyes

logan and cap win this one!

Edited by lesterlawton

Spidey has beaten Wolvie before, and Bats has beaten Cap before.

Batman has never beaten Cap outside of the horrible fan-voted Marvel vs. DC series, and nobody counts that as an actual feat.

Posted by Lazzyville

This is an interesting battle, like everyone is saying it could go either way, as much as Cap/Wolvie are used to working with each other, i think Spidey & Bats would win this, the combination of brains+stealth & Spideys flexibility is going to be a very big advantage & Wolvie being a loose canon is going to cost him & Cap the win. So for me its Spidey/Bats ftw!

Posted by Pokeysteve

In character and fighting serious, Peter should be able to solo here. His strength, speed and reflexes are double Lo and Cap put together. Adding Batman to keep one of them off of Pete makes this a little one sided.

Cap gets KOed and Wolverine gets incapped.

Posted by Wolverine08

@pokeysteve: How is Spider-Man's combat speed double Wolverine's when he's had problems evading him? He even commented in their first fight that Wolverine might be faster than him before seeing that wasn't true.

Posted by Pokeysteve

How is Spider-Man's combat speed double Wolverine's when he's had problems evading him? He even commented in their first fight that Wolverine might be faster than him before seeing that wasn't true.

It's like you have "some one is voting against Wolverine" radar........

Posted by DemonKnights

Team1

Edited by I_NEED_A_HORSE

Team 2 wins by default because deluded batman fans think batman can beat Galactus blind folded with both hands tied behind his back, they'll cry if he doesn't win. Spider-Man doesn't even need him :P

Posted by ravisher

wolverine is so over rated

Posted by AmazingWebHead

@lesterlawton said:

@amazingwebhead said:

Spidey has beaten Wolvie before, and Bats has beaten Cap before.

Batman has never beaten Cap outside of the horrible fan-voted Marvel vs. DC series, and nobody counts that as an actual feat.

Fan-voted you say? Oh, well then of corse it doesn't make sense. Thanks for the info.

Posted by Rainja

Ahhhhhh Boy this is a hard one. Batman and Cap are almost evenly matched in physicals but ill give it to cap because of his superhuman stamina he can ultimately outlast Bats. IDGAF what anyone says, but Cap aint no damn Human he does shit that people cant do all the time like run at yhe speed of usain bolt but over long distances....and u wanna say thats human thats not human.Anyways, Cap is just as tactical if not slightly more tactical than Bats and with him and wolverine already being familiar with each other i feel them as a unit could pull off a win eventually.Wolverine has the physicals to keep up and maybe even outclass batman with deadly results and he can tank anything batman does and most of what spiderman will dish out unlrss its webbing from spidey which can remove him from battle. Spidey here is the physical superior to all three combined and while he might be tactical its not on a level like cap or bats any tactic he could ever deploy plus since they are marvel characters cap knows him. The best thing i would recommemd to.spiderman here is keep his distance and rely on his webs and physicals to TRY and overwhelm cap and wolverine. Batman now has the gear to be real annoying to wolverine and cap. If it comes down to one on one instances in this battle Batman and Cap.will probally stalmate Bats long enough for this battle and Bat can dance around wolverine for a bit but it wont be easy and he can end up seriously getting harmed if not careful. Overall, ill say this battle can go either way.Too close to call for me.

Edited by Wolverine08

@pokeysteve said:

@wolverine08 said:

How is Spider-Man's combat speed double Wolverine's when he's had problems evading him? He even commented in their first fight that Wolverine might be faster than him before seeing that wasn't true.

It's like you have "some one is voting against Wolverine" radar........

It never fails to give me a pretty good chuckle when people on battle forums get called out for the fact that what they are saying/their opinions don't actually line up with reality and subsequently try save face with a snarky comment like so. Again, may you care to explain how Spider-Man's speed is double Captain America's and Wolverine's put together when both have indivudually kept up with him in the past? I mean, I know that you can't actually factually back up your ridiculous claim, but I'm just seeing where you'd go with this. If you don't want to set off my "radar", just don't say silly stuff. It's that easy.

Posted by Wolverine08

I sounded like Super Soldier XII there didn't I @laflux?.......

Posted by laflux

I sounded like Super Soldier XII there didn't I @laflux?.......

Since when is it cool to sound like Super_Soldier :P

Posted by Wolverine08

@laflux said:

@wolverine08 said:

I sounded like Super Soldier XII there didn't I @laflux?.......

Since when is it cool to sound like Super_Soldier :P

ALL THE BADASSES DO IT!

Posted by laflux

@wolverine08: You sound nothing like SS now. Ever since he's come back, he's been pretty mellow. Found it hard not to agree with him in his points........

Posted by Wolverine08

@laflux said:

@wolverine08: You sound nothing like SS now. Ever since he's come back, he's been pretty mellow. Found it hard not to agree with him in his points........

He needs to be set off....

Posted by baneofdemon22

Oh shoot! I didn't read the standard webbing part, which makes it much more interesting of a fight. With it, I think Spider-man could take them both out on his own. I still think team Batman and Spider-man would win though, especially since you added the intelligent Wolverine part. I think Batman could use his gas pellets to suffocate them, while Spider-man using his webbing to help protect himself. I think Batman has a much better sense of fighting without his sight then Cap, and could take him out, while Spider-man beats Wolverine, with the help of his Spider-sense.

Posted by Pokeysteve

It never fails to give me a pretty good chuckle when people on battle forums get called out for the fact that what they are saying/their opinions don't actually line up with reality and subsequently try save face with a snarky comment like so. Again, may you care to explain how Spider-Man's speed is double Captain America's and Wolverine's put together when both have indivudually kept up with him in the past? I mean, I know that you can't actually factually back up your ridiculous claim, but I'm just seeing where you'd go with this. If you don't want to set off my "radar", just don't say silly stuff. It's that easy.

Touchy touchy. It's not about saving face or any of that. After a while you just get tired of typing a post where, because of the characters involved, you know exactly which user/s are going to come give you crap. In Wolverine's case, it's you. I wasn't being snarky and am seriously amazed how you always just KNOW. Within hours too usually. Anyways, Spidey's bounced around the X-Men (Logan was there) and the Sinister Six. Neither Cap nor Wolverine could do the same. Not even close. A serious Spidey>those two. We also know that Wolverine CAN be webbed up.

The entire battle area is on limits as well which will only help him evade and play his strengths. Pete is known for his agility. Cap and Lo are not. They're also in character here which means Logan isn't going to be using his claws a whole lot which you've argued before and Spider-Man is going to basically tank any shots that do manage to land.

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